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    Vampire Knight chapter 78 Full Raws + first translation

    Post by nina on Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:43 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    Here is the link >> http://tieba.baidu.com/p/1336108943

    A bunch of thanks to the chinese team 【玖玖爱枢♀】 for their hard work! sFun_cheerleader2

    first translation you can also find: http://vampire-knight.livejournal.com/976446.html#comments





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    Re: Vampire Knight chapter 78 Full Raws + first translation

    Post by mariangie on Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:04 am

    This is the translation from Livejournal . The one at : ]http://vampire-knight.livejournal.com/976446.html#comments

    This is from Chinese scans . A lot of thanks for Senbyafanatic for her job .



    senbyafanatic (senbyafanatic) wrote in vampire_knight,
    2011-12-24 01:58:00


    Night 78 English translation

    Chinese scanlation as always: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/1336108943

    Need to hurry to work and didn't separate dialogues according to panels

    This is NOT a direct Japanese-English translation!





    Night78 Corruption


    Page 1

    What seeps out from these tablets is…that woman’s gradually expanding intention.


    Page 2

    Yuuki: Wait….


    Page 3

    Yuuki: Wait a moment!

    Maria: Er…is there anything I can do?

    Rima: Help me hold him there.

    Maria: Alright.

    Rampaging vampire: Give my tablets back to me!!


    Page 4

    Yuuki: It…hurts…

    Aidou: Let go of her!


    Page 5

    Aidou: Do you even know whose blood you are taking?!

    Vampire: Eh….? I...? How can I…?!

    Yuuki: Just as I suspected, Aidou-senpai! Give everyone my blood!


    Page 6

    Vampire: Let go of me! Give my tablets back to me…!

    Maria: Should I continue to hold him like this?

    Rima: Yeah…’cos the dorm president said to bring rampaging vampires under control.

    Vampire teacher in the background: Students, where are my tablets?

    Rima: Wait, Shiki. You are also under the influence of the tablets, aren’t you?

    Shiki: …I don’t think so….


    Page 7

    (only the sound of Shiki popping open new tablets and Yuuki panting)


    Page 8

    Yuuki: How about your side, Aidou-senpai?

    Aidou: Well, most of them drank it without a fight. After all what is provided is the most delicious kind of blood that no vampire can resist.

    Vampire A: Ahah…what have I done…

    Vampire B: I…

    Yuuki: Thank god…OK! Since this tablet is being distributed everywhere, I need to spread my blood the same way as well!

    Aidou: Wait a second!


    Page 9

    Aidou: If you do this without knowing how far the tablet has reached, you’ll soon bleed dry.

    Yuuki: …Em…indeed… (thinking) If I run out of blood, I won’t be able to replenish immediately…

    Aidou: Considering whoever behind this is using the tablets against us, we can do the same to them, right?


    Page 10

    Aidou: (cont’d from the previous page) Ichijou, who’s been looking at us in the corner?

    Yuuki: That’s it…! The company that Ichijou-senpai owns must have a pharmaceutical department.

    Aidou: It is this said pharmaceutical department that manufactured this batch of tablets, isn’t it, Ichijou?

    Yuuki: …


    Page 11

    (Yuuki thinking) Ichijou-senpai…

    Aidou: Now what, are we going to have him stop the production?

    Yuuki: What are you talking about, of course we are.

    Rima: Um… have you seen Shiki? I was going to make him drink the dorm president’s blood.

    Vampire: No…

    Rima: He took an entire panel of tablets before we knew it…Surely I must go look for him.


    Page 12

    Yagari: Zero? Did the association president ask you to come here? Good work. Where’s that little girl?

    Zero: …She didn’t come.

    Yagari: I see. Poor association president, even his adopted daughter is now ignoring him. Speaking of whom…she seemed to be quite active during the day. Although the whole thing was about problematic tablets, it’s no big deal.


    Page 13

    Yagari: Just have a few words with the association president and return to the academy as soon as you can, to continue keeping an eye on Yuuki Kuran. And do NOT stand in the way of Kaname Kuran.


    Page 14

    Kaien: Hello, Kiryuu-kun. I think if it’s you, you’ll tell me the truth. I feel that I’ve hardly received any report recently, not even reports regarding trivial matter. I only wish I was just imagining things…although Kaito-kun did come to report to me about Yuuki. Yesterday she stopped a riot in the night class, didn’t she? How reckless…but I’m happy for what she is.

    Zero: …I just wish we had more purebloods like this who serve our interest.


    Page 15

    Kaien: Er…why would say something like that?

    Zero: Because there’s a presence… here in the association headquarters, there’s a pureblood.

    Kaien: That’s the young leader of the Touma clan. He was almost killed by Kaname-kun. Human or vampire, I cannot tolerate unreasonable killing.


    Page 16

    Zero: …You still stick to your pacifist cause, like before. So, what is it that you want to ask me?

    Kaien: Who is responsible for spreading the tablets of darkness?


    Page 17

    Kaien: Recently someone seems to be distributing suspicious tablets of darkness. Yesterday’s riot was also caused by this, right? Do you know anything after your contact with the night class?

    Zero: …No.

    Kaien: …Is that so… But I think we’ll catch the perpetrator soon enough.


    Page 18

    Zero: …Association president…do you know about Kaname Kuran’s “plan”?

    Kaien: …What a strange question to ask. Although I wish I could say yes… Kaname-kun once planned to leave Yuuki behind…but having seen the impossibility of that he decided to return to her. For that he destroyed the corrupted senate, and at some point made you his pawn, which was indeed very cruel.


    Page 19

    Kaien: …But I don’t get what’s happening this time. Is he thinking of leaving Yuuki behind again to kill all the purebloods? …What is it?

    Zero: Nothing…that’ll be all, President Cross.


    Page 20

    Maria: Wait, Yuuki. I know this is a bad time for this kind of talk…but there’s nothing I can do about Zero-kun’s thirst. You know that, right?

    Yuuki: …I know. Yes…Zero is in a state of starvation.


    Page 21

    Yuuki: But I can’t go to him.

    Maria: Why not?

    Yuuki: Out of respect for Zero. Maria, Can I take up a little bit of your time? Follow me (smaller characters in the same panel: let’s go to the boys’ dorm)

    Maria: Eh?

    Yuuki: I can’t let Ichijou remain at Sara’s side any longer.


    Page 22

    Hanadagi’s servant: (moans and groans of pain)

    Yuuki: Are you alright?


    Page 23

    Hanadagi’s servant: Are you…the pureblood from the Kuran clan?

    Yuuki: How cruel…who did this to you?

    Hanadagi’s servant: Sara…Shirabuki.


    Page 24

    Hanadagi’s servant: Please help me avenge my master! Please kill that despicable good girl who suddenly interrupted my master, leader of the Hanadagi clan’s slumber, and devoured his heart!

    Yuuki: …Hold on…


    Page 25

    Yuuki: Sara was the one who attacked Hanadagi-sama?

    Hanadagi’s servant: Yes, I saw it with my own eyes…although I wasn’t able to stay with my master till the last moment… But my master wouldn’t have been killed, if that good girl hadn’t attacked him!

    Yuuki (thinking): Kaname didn’t attack Hanadagi-sama’s coffin…


    Page 26

    Zero: Do you…plan to kill Sara Shirabuki?

    Yuuki: Zero…?

    Hanadagi’s servant: You…are the one who came to Sara yesterday…

    Zero: Yuuki…


    Page 27

    Zero: I won’t…let you lay your hands on that woman.

    Yuuki (thinking): Yuuki…how long has it been since I last heard you say my name like this…but…

    Sara: Everything is happening just as planned…Although my servants in the night class are restored by Yuuki, she has to deal with a lot of mess because of this…


    Page 28

    Sara: As long as I can get my hands on the “weapon” in this academy, it’ll do. This is also what you think, right? Besides, “that child” must have fallen as well, just like you have, wouldn’t you say so, Takuma?

    Takuma: You are a devil…and a pathetic woman as well…


    Page 29

    Sara: What I want…is pathetic but excellent servants who cannot escape my clutch even if they fight…lovely little birds who keep singing around me (cont’d in the next page),


    Page 30

    Sara (cont’d from the previous page): vampires all over the world who serve me, puppets who don’t bore me, and…a convenient weapon that can kill purebloods. I can say that child is the fruition of Kaname’s “great sin”.


    Page 31

    Sara: Go and capture my puppet who’s escaped.

    Takuma: …I know there is no use fight you.


    Page 32

    Takuma: Shiki…Shi…

    Shiki: I drank the tablets, Ichijou. I believe this is the easiest way to come to you.


    Page 33

    Yuuki: You won’t let me lay my hands on her…I can’t believe I heard this from you.

    Hanadagi’s servant: If…you stand in my way…then you are my master’s enemy, just like Sara!


    Page 34

    Zero: You, take this person to Kaito’s.

    Maria: Ye…yes… This person has received cruel treatment. (to Yuuki) I can do this alone, you must talk to Ichijou.

    Yuuki: I’ll leave her to you, Maria.


    Page 35

    Yuuki: She said it was Sara who attacked Hanadagi-san’s coffin…The sudden assault, it wasn’t Kaname, it’s not what people think… I’m sorry for the mess in the academy. After I finish dealing with this, I’ll definitely go to stop Kaname.


    Page 37

    Yuuki: Zero…?

    Zero: …That man…Kaname Kuran…every single one of his cells, the entirety of his existence, is nothing but filth!


    Page 38

    Zero: He destroyed everything that belonged to me, my family, Ichiru, and myself…


    Page 39

    Yuuki: Zero…what are you…


    Page 40

    What is Kaname’s “great sin”? Next issue, VK on the cover!

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    Re: Vampire Knight chapter 78 Full Raws + first translation

    Post by nina on Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:33 am

    Many thanks from me too to Senbyafanatic for her hard work and for sharing this summary! Really appreciate it! cheers

    This chapter is EPIC bounce ... till the next one Razz





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    Re: Vampire Knight chapter 78 Full Raws + first translation

    Post by mariangie on Sat Dec 24, 2011 3:26 am

    aya-chan wrote:
    libra wrote:

    A hunch that the weapon is Yuki. Sara mast have said to Zero that Kaname altered the VH's list so he is behind their parent's death. That's why it's asked from Zero not to stand in Kaname's way. Because he is planning to do so!!!

    The weapon sara want is zero not yuuki.
    We still don't know what sara told to zero. if she mentioned something about kaname being guilty about his trauma probably zero jumped at the conclusion kaname is responsable for his family death.
    but who knows what sara told him. a thing is clear: sara twisted the truth after her own convenience.

    Kaname's sin must be Zero's parents death... that's way Hino started 77 the way she did, with Kaname being triggered by the twins.
    Yuki will not believe Zero in that. She will question him after what she heard from the servant so I'll guess she'll take Kaname's side in this!!!

    I do not think this is reffering at zero parents death. i think the "serious crime" of kaname is the twin curse. I think in the upcoming chapters the curse would be explained.


    Yes , Aya . I didn't commented so much about what Sara said to Zero that could make Zero turn to her side . As the hunter she needed to get Kaname out of her side . Sara can't use anti - vampire weapons . Because I had made kind of a promise to not stir the waters for a while . But now I think I have more base for what I could say . Kaname's being responsable of the twins curse in the past is now a very good possibility .



    Now about Kaname's greatest sin :

    Indeed Kaname was involved in how Zero ended as Yuuki's shield and knight . But I don't think he was the one responsable to kill directly Zero's parents . I think it was more of Kaname's trying to make Zero more close to Yuuki and giving him Bloody Rose for his use . So Kaname used any opportunity he could get to make Zero loyal to Yuuki . And defend her no matter what .

    For now , I think Sara said to Zero a half lie / half truth . Or at least not the complete picture . Enough to Zero consider Kaname as the one who ruin his entire life . But she did know the entire truth .

    What I think is his sin is a little different than other opinions I had read for now . . In reality I believed is more linked to a very old idea of mine .( In reality the one who started it was Psdol ; so thanks to her .) Not exactly all those ideas were correct . But the main idea of Kaname's cursing the hunters could be . As I found some old posts with that theory in MF . Only as examples :


    Link here : .http://forums.mangafox.com/threads/120384-Hunter-twin-curse?p=3038450#post3038450




    From Mangafox

    Thread: Hunter twin curse

    11-20-2009 11:38 PM #8 Maria Rodriguez


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    Originally Posted by PSDOL
    i think there is more in this curse than we can think of. i have a big feeling that when we know about kaname past will know where the curse comes from.

    for now all we know its like a punishment for human's drinking pureblood blood but again we have many ppl that drank pureblood blood but mostly we have is that they got vampire powers so mybe the pureblood they drink was not a normal pureblood , but if we know thw strongest pureblood is the kuran , i mean zero drank kuran blood but nothing showed he got cursed again or ichiru drank shizuka's blood (i pureblood that comes from the kuran family tree ) so realy did this curse comes from the blood or it was done by someone? so far both hino's ,manga's both curses where curused by someone so could be vk even this cursed for done by someone as a punishment too the human's that ate a pureblood. that my theroy thought but thats my feeling too while thinking about the twin curse.

    this is my theroy but what if the anstor punished the human's that ate his lover ? by giving them the same feeling with there twin children? i mean a anstor too have created creature as vampires must be powerful taht he could put a curse too the human's

    Your last theory is probably correct. The Kuran ancestor cursed vampire hunters for eating his wife/lover. For the ancestor his queen was his other half (who knows if actually his twin sister) and he wanted vampire hunters to remember his suffering with hunter's twins destiny to destroy each other .


    Other early post . Same twins curse thread . Only a partial quote here .

    Link : http://forums.mangafox.com/threads/120384-Hunter-twin-curse/page2



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    11-22-2009 08:10 PM #11 Maria Rodriguez
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    If the story tells us about a hunter's twin curse, someone had to give it to the hunters. Curses don't happen without a caster. I'm suspecting the most probable person to cast it has to be the Kuran's ancestor unless the story tells us differently.


    Other post ; same link at MF .


    11-24-2009 12:52AM
    Maria Rodriguez


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    Because even the most peaceful and good person when passing a great crisis in his/her life could lost control and act crazy and /or desperate. in real life more than a good guy wanted revenge when somebody killed his loved one. Many people wanted to curse God or the killer or even humanity. If Kuran ancestor lost his wife due to hunters, he could curse all hunters' descendants to suffer for eternity. As a pureblood vampire he would have enough power for a curse to happen.


    There's a good probability Kaname was the one who did the curse to the vampire hunters' twins . It could be because at the time Kaname became with despair in his past . Before entering his slumber . Kaname could believed the vampire hunters were somehow involved in the events shown at his memory of a destroyed Kuran Manor with Kaname crying over a broken mirror . Maybe Kaname decided as a vengance to curse the ones who he believed responsables with a curse of all their twin offspring to be killed .

    The reason for why Kaname did this is kind of a crack idea of mine . But I could not discard it yet . I think Kaname's wife and Vampire Queen at that time . Not the HW ; but another girl . Maybe Yuuki's past life . She was pregnant with twins . She was killed during that incident of Kaname's past . Due to some betrayal of a pureblood who maybe used the aid of vampire hunters . Maybe they were to kill Kaname . Killed his wife ( and unborn twin children with her ). Then Kaname cursed the hunters as responsables for his misery with the twins' curse .

    If what I think is true . Zero could be very mad to know the one who curse the hunters with the twins' maldition was Kaname . Because Zero's entire life was changed because he almost killed his twin intra - uterus . Making Zero a more powerful vampire hunter than the average one . And Ichiru an unhappy , unhealthy kid . Who ended hating his own family for what happenned to him . After that , Zero could never have a normal life . So Zero could indeed say Kaname ruin his family's life .

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    Re: Vampire Knight chapter 78 Full Raws + first translation

    Post by lililovelilica on Sat Dec 24, 2011 7:04 am

    I think sara lied to Zero about Kaname's secret so he would become her shield against kaname
    now that kaname appeared and zero told that to yuuki,i can't wait until 24 january to see the fight between this 3 vampires

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    Post by Evil in love on Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:46 pm

    mariangie wrote:
    aya-chan wrote:
    libra wrote:

    A hunch that the weapon is Yuki. Sara mast have said to Zero that Kaname altered the VH's list so he is behind their parent's death. That's why it's asked from Zero not to stand in Kaname's way. Because he is planning to do so!!!

    The weapon sara want is zero not yuuki.
    We still don't know what sara told to zero. if she mentioned something about kaname being guilty about his trauma probably zero jumped at the conclusion kaname is responsable for his family death.
    but who knows what sara told him. a thing is clear: sara twisted the truth after her own convenience.

    Kaname's sin must be Zero's parents death... that's way Hino started 77 the way she did, with Kaname being triggered by the twins.
    Yuki will not believe Zero in that. She will question him after what she heard from the servant so I'll guess she'll take Kaname's side in this!!!

    I do not think this is reffering at zero parents death. i think the "serious crime" of kaname is the twin curse. I think in the upcoming chapters the curse would be explained.


    Yes , Aya . I didn't commented so much about what Sara said to Zero that could make Zero turn to her side . As the hunter she needed to get Kaname out of her side . Sara can't use anti - vampire weapons . Because I had made kind of a promise to not stir the waters for a while . But now I think I have more base for what I could say . Kaname's being responsable of the twins curse in the past is now a very good possibility .



    Now about Kaname's greatest sin :

    Indeed Kaname was involved in how Zero ended as Yuuki's shield and knight . But I don't think he was the one responsable to kill directly Zero's parents . I think it was more of Kaname's trying to make Zero more close to Yuuki and giving him Bloody Rose for his use . So Kaname used any opportunity he could get to make Zero loyal to Yuuki . And defend her no matter what .

    For now , I think Sara said to Zero a half lie / half truth . Or at least not the complete picture . Enough to Zero consider Kaname as the one who ruin his entire life . But she did know the entire truth .

    What I think is his sin is a little different than other opinions I had read for now . . In reality I believed is more linked to a very old idea of mine .( In reality the one who started it was Psdol ; so thanks to her .) Not exactly all those ideas were correct . But the main idea of Kaname's cursing the hunters could be . As I found some old posts with that theory in MF . Only as examples :


    Link here : .http://forums.mangafox.com/threads/120384-Hunter-twin-curse?p=3038450#post3038450




    From Mangafox

    Thread: Hunter twin curse

    11-20-2009 11:38 PM #8 Maria Rodriguez


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    Originally Posted by PSDOL
    i think there is more in this curse than we can think of. i have a big feeling that when we know about kaname past will know where the curse comes from.

    for now all we know its like a punishment for human's drinking pureblood blood but again we have many ppl that drank pureblood blood but mostly we have is that they got vampire powers so mybe the pureblood they drink was not a normal pureblood , but if we know thw strongest pureblood is the kuran , i mean zero drank kuran blood but nothing showed he got cursed again or ichiru drank shizuka's blood (i pureblood that comes from the kuran family tree ) so realy did this curse comes from the blood or it was done by someone? so far both hino's ,manga's both curses where curused by someone so could be vk even this cursed for done by someone as a punishment too the human's that ate a pureblood. that my theroy thought but thats my feeling too while thinking about the twin curse.

    this is my theroy but what if the anstor punished the human's that ate his lover ? by giving them the same feeling with there twin children? i mean a anstor too have created creature as vampires must be powerful taht he could put a curse too the human's

    Your last theory is probably correct. The Kuran ancestor cursed vampire hunters for eating his wife/lover. For the ancestor his queen was his other half (who knows if actually his twin sister) and he wanted vampire hunters to remember his suffering with hunter's twins destiny to destroy each other .


    Other early post . Same twins curse thread . Only a partial quote here .

    Link : http://forums.mangafox.com/threads/120384-Hunter-twin-curse/page2



    From MF

    11-22-2009 08:10 PM #11 Maria Rodriguez
    Level One Otaku

    If the story tells us about a hunter's twin curse, someone had to give it to the hunters. Curses don't happen without a caster. I'm suspecting the most probable person to cast it has to be the Kuran's ancestor unless the story tells us differently.


    Other post ; same link at MF .


    11-24-2009 12:52AM
    Maria Rodriguez


    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Because even the most peaceful and good person when passing a great crisis in his/her life could lost control and act crazy and /or desperate. in real life more than a good guy wanted revenge when somebody killed his loved one. Many people wanted to curse God or the killer or even humanity. If Kuran ancestor lost his wife due to hunters, he could curse all hunters' descendants to suffer for eternity. As a pureblood vampire he would have enough power for a curse to happen.


    There's a good probability Kaname was the one who did the curse to the vampire hunters' twins . It could be because at the time Kaname became with despair in his past . Before entering his slumber . Kaname could believed the vampire hunters were somehow involved in the events shown at his memory of a destroyed Kuran Manor with Kaname crying over a broken mirror . Maybe Kaname decided as a vengance to curse the ones who he believed responsables with a curse of all their twin offspring to be killed .

    The reason for why Kaname did this is kind of a crack idea of mine . But I could not discard it yet . I think Kaname's wife and Vampire Queen at that time . Not the HW ; but another girl . Maybe Yuuki's past life . She was pregnant with twins . She was killed during that incident of Kaname's past . Due to some betrayal of a pureblood who maybe used the aid of vampire hunters . Maybe they were to kill Kaname . Killed his wife ( and unborn twin children with her ). Then Kaname cursed the hunters as responsables for his misery with the twins' curse .

    If what I think is true . Zero could be very mad to know the one who curse the hunters with the twins' maldition was Kaname . Because Zero's entire life was changed because he almost killed his twin intra - uterus . Making Zero a more powerful vampire hunter than the average one . And Ichiru an unhappy , unhealthy kid . Who ended hating his own family for what happenned to him . After that , Zero could never have a normal life . So Zero could indeed say Kaname ruin his family's life .

    I totally agree with you in this theory of the twins curse. It is plausible case. I recalled the thread in mangafox. My mind is blank for any theory. I hope we will get the answer soon.

    I love ch79 preview, so adoreable. Hino is talented but lacks of siting for drawing. I can noticed this preview is almost same position as vol 14, just different for yuuki and kaname and yuuki always hug in the same where while kaname close his eyes. Btw, I think she is hinting some whos side yuuki will take on. <333

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    Re: Vampire Knight chapter 78 Full Raws + first translation

    Post by nina on Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:16 pm

    Juliet wrote: Very glad that it seems that Aidou and Yuuki get a plan to 1. stop the production of the tablets 2. restore the tablets in the pharmaceutical company 3. finally to release Takuma from Sara's net> even though here there might be a conflict as it seems that Takuma due to his connection with the pharmaceutical company is a key here for Sara's plans...

    WOW! What can I say about Yuuki in this chapter AGAIN! I’m speechless! So determinate and agile. Though she still has her moments haha … Aidou is a great supporter. His contribution is priceless.
    But I agree about Takuma … it won’t be very easy to snatch him from Sara’s web.

    It seems that the hunters are not taking into great account the tablets and the problems that they are creating -haha makes me wonder how close to the people they are but I guess that justifies and a bit their ignorance or no interfere in Sara's plan and in the academy's latest events> mainly the have no clue about how tragic this can end.

    This is absurd! I wonder what they have in their heads instead of brain! They might not care about what will happen to vampires but what about humans??? Humans supposed to be their first priority! Jeez that Yagari is one big thickhead! Evil or Very Mad
    And Kaien? What he is doing sitting on his chair and waiting reports while his academy has turned into hell??? affraid

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    As long as I can get my hands on the “weapon” in this academy, it’ll do. This is also what you think, right? Besides, “that child” must have fallen as well, just like you have, wouldn’t you say so, Takuma? I can say that child is the fruition of Kaname’s “great sin”.

    I think that here its obvious that this "child that shall fall" will be Zero as he is her main weapon to kill purebloods..moreover I can not make out what she means by "I can say..." does that mean that in overall she lies about Kaname? I think that's the overall meaning of the sentence especially if you combine it with the "must have fallen" as well sentence.

    I see that Hino still does not reveal the supposed secret that Sara told to Zero about Kaname's past, increasing the suspense but as the two shall meet I guess the confrontation will bring that revelation/ not necessarily the truth though.

    Yes the “weapon” is obviously Zero. Now about the credibility of what Sara said … my estimation is that she probably twisted some facts/incidents.

    An additional information that reinforces that Sara spread untrue or better twisted rumors is the portion of the preview for the next chapter >>

    "The truth of the words that Zero told Yuuki is!? Shiki who appeared in front of Ichijou is!? And then Kaname who appeared all of a sudden opens his mouth to talk..."

    So if we can put our faith on the preview then maybe Kaname will speak?

    Now about Kaname’s “sin” that Zero thinks that destroyed his family my feeling is that has something to do that happened prior Kaname’s slumber. And I agree with aya-chan and mariangie who mentioned the twins curse. Many hints pinpoint to that direction but I'll save it for later.

    Evil in love wrote: I love ch79 preview, so adoreable. Hino is talented but lacks of siting for drawing. I can noticed this preview is almost same position as vol 14, just different for yuuki and kaname and yuuki always hug in the same where while kaname close his eyes. Btw, I think she is hinting some whos side yuuki will take on. <333

    I love it too!!! <333 Kaname into Yuuki’s embrace *so moe*. And it isn’t only this preview that reminds us where Yuuki belongs but these latest pics as well>>

    - The previous preview where Yuuki and Kaname are together whereas Zero seems to blocking their path >>




    - The pic from volume 15 (note that in this volume Yume are separated but still Hino sensei didn’t forget to send the message for Yume love) >>




    - And the cover from the previous chapter where Yuuki is turned towards Kaname who holds her hand while Zero dragging her towards him >>




    All of these pics might be hints for the upcoming development. ^^








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    Post by juliet on Sat Dec 24, 2011 3:44 pm

    Τhe easiness though with which Zero believes Sara is astonishing, his hate should be his reservation in his relations with her> okay let's say that he believes her, why to want to protect her?

    where does that fit in? I am loosing it here. And Sara's certainty that he shall fall as Takuma what is that supposed to be?






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    Post by Evil in love on Sat Dec 24, 2011 6:12 pm

    juliet wrote:Τhe easiness though with which Zero believes Sara is astonishing, his hate should be his reservation in his relations with her> okay let's say that he believes her, why to want to protect her? 

     where does that fit in? I am loosing it here. And Sara's certainty that he shall fall as Takuma what is that supposed to be?


    I'm sure zero has plan  to use  sara, a pureblood to destroy another pureblood, kaname. He can't side for a long time,then he can kill her but it is not now. Why he didn't tell kaien that Sara owned the blood, because he didn't kaien to interfere this in this (I really don't want to mention with the useless HA. They can only think to use others). But I love it either he sides Sara because he has plan or he purely trusts her, it just shows that zero isn't that innocent if he has plan and if he truly believes Sara so he is easier to manipulate. I think it is very interesting for both guys. It certainly means that he will protect Sara. We can think that he has sometime evil-minded too.  How come he hate purebloods too much but he trust Sara (the most evil pureblood who brings a mess to NC) completely and told yuuki that he won't let her lay her hands on Sara, or only with kaname that he has. Maybe his family is his weakness to attrack. I think Maria will break zero evil-minded, I love how she reacted to zero when she asked yuuki. As many of us said I feel like his life will be like kaien when he know the truth he will forgive pureblood and walk alone  with Maria step behind <<<33.

    Wow.... Sara has many great knights, takuma, shiki and zero. I don't like if takuma has feeling for Sara, she is too much evil for him. I hope he can change her but now shiki join in and rima will be busy with him.. So poor shiki, he always is used  to go against kaname as in first arc.

    @ Nina : wow very well observe.. I totally agree I don't think it is "might" but it definitely is "will".. Hino previews are great hint, side notes very important and always become true. I love to think of it but it is a bit delay. We have kaname preview too he sniff yuuki's nightgown and later he comes to academy from scenting yuuki's blood, for any reason it just is for yuuki.

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    Post by lililovelilica on Sat Dec 24, 2011 8:31 pm

    Evil in love wrote:
    juliet wrote:Τhe easiness though with which Zero believes Sara is astonishing, his hate should be his reservation in his relations with her> okay let's say that he believes her, why to want to protect her? 

     where does that fit in? I am loosing it here. And Sara's certainty that he shall fall as Takuma what is that supposed to be?


    I'm sure zero has plan  to use  sara, a pureblood to destroy another pureblood, kaname. He can't side for a long time,then he can kill her but it is not now. Why he didn't tell kaien that Sara owned the blood, because he didn't kaien to interfere this in this (I really don't want to mention with the useless HA. They can only think to use others). But I love it either he sides Sara because he has plan or he purely trusts her, it just shows that zero isn't that innocent if he has plan and if he truly believes Sara so he is easier to manipulate. I think it is very interesting for both guys. It certainly means that he will protect Sara. We can think that he has sometime evil-minded too.  How come he hate purebloods too much but he trust Sara (the most evil pureblood who brings a mess to NC) completely and told yuuki that he won't let her lay her hands on Sara, or only with kaname that he has. Maybe his family is his weakness to attrack. I think Maria will break zero evil-minded, I love how she reacted to zero when she asked yuuki. As many of us said I feel like his life will be like kaien when he know the truth he will forgive pureblood and walk alone  with Maria step behind <<<33.

    Wow.... Sara has many great knights, takuma, shiki and zero. I don't like if takuma has feeling for Sara, she is too much evil for him. I hope he can change her but now shiki join in and rima will be busy with him.. So poor shiki, he always is used  to go against kaname as in first arc.

    @ Nina : wow very well observe.. I totally agree I don't think it is "might" but it definitely is "will".. Hino previews are great hint, side notes very important and always become true. I love to think of it but it is a bit delay. We have kaname preview too he sniff yuuki's nightgown and later he comes to academy from scenting yuuki's blood, for any reason it just is for yuuki.
    i loved your notes and oppinions...but i don't think that the only reason Kaname went to cross academy was to see Yuuki again,i think it's for the final battle with Maria and his true enemy! scratch
    anyway merry christmas and happy holidays!Very Happy

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    Post by aya-chan on Sat Dec 24, 2011 9:40 pm

    juliet wrote:Τhe easiness though with which Zero believes Sara is astonishing, his hate should be his reservation in his relations with her> okay let's say that he believes her, why to want to protect her?

    where does that fit in? I am loosing it here. And Sara's certainty that he shall fall as Takuma what is that supposed to be?

    Exactly!
    Moreover, zero knows that sara turned human girls into vampires, and at that time he had wanted to pull the trigger, and now he knows about the troublesome tablets sara created. those tablets brought insanity among night class, and if that would had have continued day class students would have been hurt.
    But knowing all these about sara he decided to believe her without being sure if it's true or not, and worse to stop yuuki in handling sara. Doing this zero threw away all his principles he had as a hunter.

    Honestly, Zero did not evolve at all. he remained the same kid possessed by hatred feelings, and who cannot see beyond that.

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    Post by caela on Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:10 pm

    aya-chan wrote:
    juliet wrote:Τhe easiness though with which Zero believes Sara is astonishing, his hate should be his reservation in his relations with her> okay let's say that he believes her, why to want to protect her?

    where does that fit in? I am loosing it here. And Sara's certainty that he shall fall as Takuma what is that supposed to be?

    Exactly!
    Moreover, zero knows that sara turned human girls into vampires, and at that time he had wanted to pull the trigger, and now he knows about the troublesome tablets sara created. those tablets brought insanity among night class, and if that would had have continued day class students would have been hurt.
    But knowing all these about sara he decided to believe her without being sure if it's true or not, and worse to stop yuuki in handling sara. Doing this zero threw away all his principles he had as a hunter.

    Honestly, Zero did not evolve at all. he remained the same kid possessed by hatred feelings, and who cannot see beyond that.

    *cough* Zero decided to play chess....Finally....he didn't kill anyone yet that wasn't on the execution list (except maybe Rido?...though I can't imagine anyone not wanting Rido dead...lol). Ummm...throwing out his morals and shame on him?...How do you judge Kaname then? Zero considers Kaname "filth" and technically Kaname has killed more people than Sara: given a choice between Sara and Kaname...

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    Post by KuranPrince on Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:42 pm

    caela wrote:
    aya-chan wrote:
    juliet wrote:Τhe easiness though with which Zero believes Sara is astonishing, his hate should be his reservation in his relations with her> okay let's say that he believes her, why to want to protect her?

    where does that fit in? I am loosing it here. And Sara's certainty that he shall fall as Takuma what is that supposed to be?

    Exactly!
    Moreover, zero knows that sara turned human girls into vampires, and at that time he had wanted to pull the trigger, and now he knows about the troublesome tablets sara created. those tablets brought insanity among night class, and if that would had have continued day class students would have been hurt.
    But knowing all these about sara he decided to believe her without being sure if it's true or not, and worse to stop yuuki in handling sara. Doing this zero threw away all his principles he had as a hunter.

    Honestly, Zero did not evolve at all. he remained the same kid possessed by hatred feelings, and who cannot see beyond that.

    *cough* Zero decided to play chess....Finally....he didn't kill anyone yet that wasn't on the execution list (except maybe Rido?...though I can't imagine anyone not wanting Rido dead...lol). Ummm...throwing out his morals and shame on him?...How do you judge Kaname then? Zero considers Kaname "filth" and technically Kaname has killed more people than Sara: given a choice between Sara and Kaname...


    Are you telling us that Kaname have killed more humans or vampires? From my perspective, I don't think he have killed all purebloods except head members of pureblood clans... not all of them. And from we have seen from this chapter, Zero believes Sara's shenanigans and siding with her. He even tells Yuuki not to harm Sara.

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    Post by aya-chan on Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:55 pm

    caela wrote: Zero considers Kaname "filth" and technically Kaname has killed more people than Sara: given a choice between Sara and Kaname...

    Zero considered kaname as being the worst with long before kaname departure - I think it was in chapter 50. What criteria zero used then?
    Kaname killing the vampire council? what right has he - zero - to judge? kaname killed them because they were responsible for his parents death, so we can conclude he did that from revenge.
    Did not zero want revenge for his parents death? In this matter zero and kaname were the same.
    Moreover, zero did not seem to be bothered in being yuuki's shield.

    Kaname and sara - I think they can be judge in function of their goal, not the number of their victims.
    Zero decided to take side of a vampire who:
    1. turned human girls into vampires - by the way, zero should be bothered about their lost humanity since he lost his
    2. killed ouri to gain the power to break hanadagi's casttle
    3. attacked hanadagi's casttle and devoured his heart
    4. created blood tablets which bring the ones who consum them to insanity and caused chaos into academy
    And sara did all these because she want to be queen. in one word she wants power. everything is for her being.

    While kaname, the one zero despise did not harm humans, on contraire he protect them. with his plan kaname want to bring peace to human world and yuuki. he does not do this for himself.

    The right decission for zero would have been to not take any sides. if he could have confront kaname and handle sara as well. but, apparently he decided to take sara's side and not to follow his duty as hunter.

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    Post by lililovelilica on Sat Dec 24, 2011 11:08 pm

    aya-chan wrote:
    caela wrote: Zero considers Kaname "filth" and technically Kaname has killed more people than Sara: given a choice between Sara and Kaname...

    Zero considered kaname as being the worst with long before kaname departure - I think it was in chapter 50. What criteria zero used then?
    Kaname killing the vampire council? what right has he - zero - to judge? kaname killed them because they were responsible for his parents death, so we can conclude he did that from revenge.
    Did not zero want revenge for his parents death? In this matter zero and kaname were the same.
    Moreover, zero did not seem to be bothered in being yuuki's shield.

    Kaname and sara - I think they can be judge in function of their goal, not the number of their victims.
    Zero decided to take side of a vampire who:
    1. turned human girls into vampires - by the way, zero should be bothered about their lost humanity since he lost his
    2. killed ouri to gain the power to break hanadagi's casttle
    3. attacked hanadagi's casttle and devoured his heart
    4. created blood tablets which bring the ones who consum them to insanity and caused chaos into academy
    And sara did all these because she want to be queen. in one word she wants power. everything is for her being.

    While kaname, the one zero despise did not harm humans, on contraire he protect them. with his plan kaname want to bring peace to human world and yuuki. he does not do this for himself.

    The right decission for zero would have been to not take any sides. if he could have confront kaname and handle sara as well. but, apparently he decided to take sara's side and not to follow his duty as hunter.
    Zero was moved by what Sarah said to him about what Kaname(maybe)did,we don't have the proof if kaname is evil or not,or if he had something related about zero's parents death,but i think zero realized that Sara's not the ally,but the enemy,if he's protecting her,it must be for killing her himself after all is finished!

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    Post by caela on Sat Dec 24, 2011 11:30 pm

    lililovelilica wrote:
    aya-chan wrote:
    caela wrote: Zero considers Kaname "filth" and technically Kaname has killed more people than Sara: given a choice between Sara and Kaname...

    Zero considered kaname as being the worst with long before kaname departure - I think it was in chapter 50. What criteria zero used then?
    Kaname killing the vampire council? what right has he - zero - to judge? kaname killed them because they were responsible for his parents death, so we can conclude he did that from revenge.
    Did not zero want revenge for his parents death? In this matter zero and kaname were the same.
    Moreover, zero did not seem to be bothered in being yuuki's shield.

    Kaname and sara - I think they can be judge in function of their goal, not the number of their victims.
    Zero decided to take side of a vampire who:
    1. turned human girls into vampires - by the way, zero should be bothered about their lost humanity since he lost his
    2. killed ouri to gain the power to break hanadagi's casttle
    3. attacked hanadagi's casttle and devoured his heart
    4. created blood tablets which bring the ones who consum them to insanity and caused chaos into academy
    And sara did all these because she want to be queen. in one word she wants power. everything is for her being.

    While kaname, the one zero despise did not harm humans, on contraire he protect them. with his plan kaname want to bring peace to human world and yuuki. he does not do this for himself.

    The right decission for zero would have been to not take any sides. if he could have confront kaname and handle sara as well. but, apparently he decided to take sara's side and not to follow his duty as hunter.
    Zero was moved by what Sarah said to him about what Kaname(maybe)did,we don't have the proof if kaname is evil or not,or if he had something related about zero's parents death,but i think zero realized that Sara's not the ally,but the enemy,if he's protecting her,it must be for killing her himself after all is finished!

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    @aya-chan: hehe, I don't think we will agree with this one, but the Hunter's association has been doing nothing for awhile....and that's pretty lame to me. Zero cannot openly go against the hunters lameness as a future president: for him to make any move worthwhile, he needs a strong non-hunter ally. His choices are (1) the Kurans (2) Sara. Zero could kill Sara if anything goes wrong...he won't be as easily able to stop the Kurans.

    Also: Sara gave being a vampire as an option to those girls....Zero was forced to become a vampire. And yes, Sara is evil, and Kaname is also evil in Zero's eyes. Choices, choices.

    Besides...as readers of VK, Zero just sitting around and looking pretty is pretty dull.

    @lililovelilica: agreed.




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    Post by KuranPrince on Sat Dec 24, 2011 11:46 pm

    caela wrote:@KuranPrince:People= vampires/humans/hunters


    Well... from your assumptions, Kaname have never killed any humans (especially hunters) in his lifetime. He only wants a peaceful society for both humans and vampires. Not only for him, but for Yuuki as well. It's a good thing that Kaname isn't as evil as Sara.

    rofl

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    Post by aya-chan on Sat Dec 24, 2011 11:47 pm

    caela wrote:

    @aya-chan: hehe, I don't think we will agree with this one, but the Hunter's association has been doing nothing for awhile....and that's pretty lame to me. Zero cannot openly go against the hunters lameness as a future president: for him to make any move worthwhile, he needs a strong non-hunter ally. His choices are (1) the Kurans (2) Sara. Zero could kill Sara if anything goes wrong...he won't be as easily able to stop the Kurans.

    If I remember correctly, and I do, few chapters ago zero and the rest of the hunters, except kaien agreed to kaname doings. zero had no wish to stop kaname, since kaname is doing something he wanted to do: killing purebloods.
    The only hunter he could have went against was cross kaien.

    And actually no one gave him a choice, kaname didn't anyway. Sara told something to zero, how kaname is responsable for his family destruction, but zero was the one who let himself driven by hate and decided to step on sara's side.

    If yuuki will decide to be on kaname side, two sides will exist: kaname x yuuki and zero x sara. who knows what they will do against each other and how problems will escalate.
    And who knows what zero will decide when he will be around sara. he might even drink her blood, and we knows the effect of this.

    Also: Sara gave being a vampire as an option to those girls....Zero was forced to become a vampire. And yes, Sara is evil, and Kaname is also evil in Zero's eyes. Choices, choices.

    That option was a way to respect the law. but sara did not turn a girl into a vampire, she turned more than one, enough for hunters association to take notice of that.


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    Post by lililovelilica on Sat Dec 24, 2011 11:57 pm

    This all only shows us who sides we'll take?
    saraxzero's side or yuukix kaname's side?
    I'm with yuuki and kaname,because they're the beggining of the first and second arc and more important i LOVE KANAME!
    but in the next chapter we'll finaly be able to see what is sara hiding from us...i want to see some Yume scenes too.
    and i want yuuki to decide to be by kaname's side herself...decision is something difficult to make huh?

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    Post by juliet on Sun Dec 25, 2011 12:20 am

    mmm...throwing out his morals and shame on him?...How do you judge Kaname then? Zero considers Kaname "filth" and technically Kaname has killed more people than Sara: given a choice between Sara and Kaname...

    I am sure that everyone will be judged according to his own actions, decisions and intentions at the end...and everyone is responsible for his own choices, there is no need to compare anything.

    The discussion here is Zero that really surprises with his attitude.

    Given the fact that he hates purebloods and he does not trust their nature > do we remember that he pushed Yuuki away due to that fact - the picture now with Sara is totally contradicting his own values let's say...

    example if someone comes to you that you ditrust his/her NATURE, I am not even talking personality, with a secret that concerns you, you will be very very hesitant to fall for that "secret" unless you can verify that "secret".

    Here Zero goes one step further protecting this source> why? what's the importance?

    Furthermore how Sara knew that Zero would shield her when Zero found out that secret?

    If he has a plan about killing Sara at the end- then why he does not leave Kaname do it for him as it was the initial plan? what is stopping him from killing her now? he has the charges, he has witnessed the events, she changed people, she attacked Hanadagi, there is the witness of the guardian, she killed Ouri, he was at the ball>

    if he wishes to dig in to her story > she took prisoners at her cell, Takuma can confirm it, she imprisoned the president of the pharmaceutical company and made him work for her, she changed the tablets into a poison> what is there to protect?

    What is the importancy of Sara here that deserves such a protection over the crimes that she has committed? I do not see here the excuse that he wants to finish her last> why? so what changes in terms of Kaname?

    I am pushing it because I suddenly do not comprehend the overall change of his own perceptions and more than this the certainty with which Sara declares that Zero shall fall like Takuma and will act as her hunter's hand is astonishing, can it be that he has also taken his own share here of blood? or tablets? on what is he feeding on all of this time?

    besides that i can not see a reasonable explanation to all of these...furthermore why is he running like that to Yuuki to announce her the news about his tragedy? what's the point and he shall earn out of it?






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    Post by caela on Sun Dec 25, 2011 3:22 am

    juliet wrote:
    mmm...throwing out his morals and shame on him?...How do you judge Kaname then? Zero considers Kaname "filth" and technically Kaname has killed more people than Sara: given a choice between Sara and Kaname...

    I am sure that everyone will be judged according to his own actions, decisions and intentions at the end...and everyone is responsible for his own choices, there is no need to compare anything.

    The discussion here is Zero that really surprises with his attitude.

    Given the fact that he hates purebloods and he does not trust their nature > do we remember that he pushed Yuuki away due to that fact - the picture now with Sara is totally contradicting his own values let's say...

    example if someone comes to you that you ditrust his/her NATURE, I am not even talking personality, with a secret that concerns you, you will be very very hesitant to fall for that "secret" unless you can verify that "secret".

    Here Zero goes one step further protecting this source> why? what's the importance?

    Furthermore how Sara knew that Zero would shield her when Zero found out that secret?

    If he has a plan about killing Sara at the end- then why he does not leave Kaname do it for him as it was the initial plan? what is stopping him from killing her now? he has the charges, he has witnessed the events, she changed people, she attacked Hanadagi, there is the witness of the guardian, she killed Ouri, he was at the ball>

    if he wishes to dig in to her story > she took prisoners at her cell, Takuma can confirm it, she imprisoned the president of the pharmaceutical company and made him work for her, she changed the tablets into a poison> what is there to protect?

    What is the importancy of Sara here that deserves such a protection over the crimes that she has committed? I do not see here the excuse that he wants to finish her last> why? so what changes in terms of Kaname?

    I am pushing it because I suddenly do not comprehend the overall change of his own perceptions and more than this the certainty with which Sara declares that Zero shall fall like Takuma and will act as her hunter's hand is astonishing, can it be that he has also taken his own share here of blood? or tablets? on what is he feeding on all of this time?

    besides that i can not see a reasonable explanation to all of these...furthermore why is he running like that to Yuuki to announce her the news about his tragedy? what's the point and he shall earn out of it?

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    Zero's change in attitude: Sara convinced Zero that Kaname (from afar) killed his parents and brother. What proof was Zero given?...Only Zero and Sara know. We do not see the whole interaction between Sara and Zero.

    Is the accusation possible?: One of our sources that Rido changed the execution list to include Shizuka's lover is Kaname himself. Rido was still recovering at that time from Kaname's attack. I also question Rido's motive for changing the list: I thought he was obsessed over Juuri, not Shizuka.

    My thoughts are that Rido did not have the motive or the means. Kaname could possibly be involved here.

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    Why bother trusting/protecting Sara? Information. I'm still curious about what Kaname said to Aidou-dono before the execution. Aidou-dono looked almost peaceful before he died...maybe Kaname explained endgame....and maybe one of Sara's spiders was there.

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    Kaname himself has shown little interest in killing Sara (so far). Yuuki said she would protect Sara if she stayed in one room. Zero now protecting Sara doesn't change much I think.

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    Why keep Sara to kill last?...maybe Zero wants to use Sara as a weapon...lol...who knows. Also, having a pureblood ally is beneficial, something Zero told Kaien in chap 78.

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    Zero telling Yuuki his beliefs about Kaname: If Zero was acting here, he is doing a good job. He looks convinced that Kaname is bad news and that Yuuki should not trust him. Zero gave his approval of Yume back in chap 46. If this new information that Sara said convinced Zero...he would want to take back that approval.

    Also, Zero is playing chess now...trying to split the Kurans is a good move. But he seems too emotional there for this to be a reason. Most likely it is that he is upset for his family. In a sense, Yuuki is the last person alive he would consider family; he might be trying to save her from Kaname.

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    What has Zero been feeding on?.....probably pills?...even if they were Sara's pills, Zero is probably the one person they would have the least effect on....he already broke his blood bond with Shizuka. Zero did see the effects of the pills firsthand in the forest with Yuuki and the two vamps in chap 77....so I'm guessing he takes other pills.

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    Letting Kaname kill all the purebloods: Sara might have told Zero something of Kaname's plans. Killing all the PB's never made much sense for Kaname to do anyway....makes Yuuki more obvious a target with each PB who dies. Waiting around for Kaname to kill all PBs is most likely a fail.

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    Why the urgency? Why would Zero act now? I have no idea. I'm waiting for chapter 79, with baited breath, like the rest of the VK fandom. I guess Kaname's next move, according to Sara, is HUGE one, probably something that scared Zero. OR, Zero is that angry at Kaname...

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    @aya-chan: Revenge is a possible motive for Zero, I agree. Whether or not Zero is justified and thinking clearly....we need more manga to figure out. (I disagree with the SGK translation)

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    Re: Vampire Knight chapter 78 Full Raws + first translation

    Post by Bloodredhead on Sun Dec 25, 2011 3:52 am

    caela wrote:Zero's change in attitude: Sara convinced Zero that Kaname (from afar) killed his parents and brother. What proof was Zero given?...Only Zero and Sara know. We do not see the whole interaction between Sara and Zero.

    Is the accusation possible?: One of our sources that Rido changed the execution list to include Shizuka's lover is Kaname himself. Rido was still recovering at that time from Kaname's attack. I also question Rido's motive for changing the list: I thought he was obsessed over Juuri, not Shizuka.

    My thoughts are that Rido did not have the motive or the means. Kaname could possibly be involved here.

    But how do you explain then shizuka blaming rido for the death of her lover and planning to get her vengence on him. for 4 years she planned revenge on rido not kaname. makes no sense unless it was rido who put her lover on the list which is later confirmed by Kaname, Ichiru and even Yagari hinted at it. http://www.mangareader.net/104-2166-17/vampire-knight/chapter-40.html

    however kaname's sin is related to zero, i think all the proof points away from it being his parents death etc as stated above and, all the proof and hints we are getting point to the twin curse.

    Kaname himself has shown little interest in killing Sara (so far). Yuuki said she would protect Sara if she stayed in one room. Zero now protecting Sara doesn't change much I think.

    hmm...but zero's words are very telling. he says to yuuki he wont let her harm sara. harm doesnt always mean physcial harm it could be anything such as stopping her plans etc. yuuki has only stated she wouldnt let kaname kill sara, she's never stated she wouldnt stop her, and with her taking all the tablets away she has effectivly moved against sara, though not in a physical sense she is harming sara's plans. is see both their stances as being different here. seems more like zero wont let yuuki do anything against sara. question is why?

    Why keep Sara to kill last?...maybe Zero wants to use Sara as a weapon...lol...who knows. Also, having a pureblood ally is beneficial, something Zero told Kaien in chap 78.

    Yes i suppose having a pureblood ally is useful but why sara? why any pureblod for that matter on zero's part? he hates them and yet believes sara at the drop of a hat? seems a tad strange to me. scratch


    Also, Zero is playing chess now...trying to split the Kurans is a good move. But he seems too emotional there for this to be a reason. Most likely it is that he is upset for his family. In a sense, Yuuki is the last person alive he would consider family; he might be trying to save her from Kaname.

    save her from kaname? could you please expand on what you mean by this? i'm curious to know.


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    Re: Vampire Knight chapter 78 Full Raws + first translation

    Post by caela on Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:20 pm

    Bloodredhead wrote:
    caela wrote:Zero's change in attitude: Sara convinced Zero that Kaname (from afar) killed his parents and brother. What proof was Zero given?...Only Zero and Sara know. We do not see the whole interaction between Sara and Zero.

    Is the accusation possible?: One of our sources that Rido changed the execution list to include Shizuka's lover is Kaname himself. Rido was still recovering at that time from Kaname's attack. I also question Rido's motive for changing the list: I thought he was obsessed over Juuri, not Shizuka.

    My thoughts are that Rido did not have the motive or the means. Kaname could possibly be involved here.

    But how do you explain then shizuka blaming rido for the death of her lover and planning to get her vengence on him. for 4 years she planned revenge on rido not kaname. makes no sense unless it was rido who put her lover on the list which is later confirmed by Kaname, Ichiru and even Yagari hinted at it. http://www.mangareader.net/104-2166-17/vampire-knight/chapter-40.html

    however kaname's sin is related to zero, i think all the proof points away from it being his parents death etc as stated above and, all the proof and hints we are getting point to the twin curse.

    Kaname himself has shown little interest in killing Sara (so far). Yuuki said she would protect Sara if she stayed in one room. Zero now protecting Sara doesn't change much I think.

    hmm...but zero's words are very telling. he says to yuuki he wont let her harm sara. harm doesnt always mean physcial harm it could be anything such as stopping her plans etc. yuuki has only stated she wouldnt let kaname kill sara, she's never stated she wouldnt stop her, and with her taking all the tablets away she has effectivly moved against sara, though not in a physical sense she is harming sara's plans. is see both their stances as being different here. seems more like zero wont let yuuki do anything against sara. question is why?

    Why keep Sara to kill last?...maybe Zero wants to use Sara as a weapon...lol...who knows. Also, having a pureblood ally is beneficial, something Zero told Kaien in chap 78.

    Yes i suppose having a pureblood ally is useful but why sara? why any pureblod for that matter on zero's part? he hates them and yet believes sara at the drop of a hat? seems a tad strange to me. scratch


    Also, Zero is playing chess now...trying to split the Kurans is a good move. But he seems too emotional there for this to be a reason. Most likely it is that he is upset for his family. In a sense, Yuuki is the last person alive he would consider family; he might be trying to save her from Kaname.

    save her from kaname? could you please expand on what you mean by this? i'm curious to know.


    About what Zero is accusing Kaname of: If Zero was just accusing Kaname of messing/causing the hunter's twin curse, which happened thousands of years ago, I doubt there would be this much anger.

    Also, I doubt a Chinese translator would confuse "blood-line," "clan" and "family". These are all separate Japanese Kanji/Chinese characters.

    Zero is blaming the deaths of his parents, Ichiru's death and the forced change of Zero's from human to vampire, on Kaname.

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    Is the accusation possible? As far as I am concerned, Kaname is smart enough to fool Shizuka. Also The girl was stuck in a cage for who knows how long. Its not like Shizuka was privy to all the latest information like Sara was.

    All I know is that, the entire time I have been on all-up, I have always questioned even Rido's physical ability to change the list (his motive isn't that great either). Who ever changed the list is probably the enemy of the purebloods and Kaname, to me, is still a candidate. I suppose that means Sara is also a possibility. Rido was never written with enough brains to be a real possibility.

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    About Zero trying to save Yuuki from Kaname: I meant it in a moral sense. Yuuki and Zero's dynamic has always been conditional (as opposed to Yume's unconditional dynamic): Yuuki protected Zero because of her sense of justice, and Zero protected Yuuki because of his respect of that sense of justice (yes, other reasons as well....but focusing on one reason for both for a reason).

    Yuuki claims to be willing to be "tainted" by Kaname. So far, that statement of hers has not really been tested. If Yuuki accepts Kaname now, without verifying Zero's accusations as either true or false, it looks like Zero is willing to cut ties with Yuuki.


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    Re: Vampire Knight chapter 78 Full Raws + first translation

    Post by nina on Sun Dec 25, 2011 7:40 pm

    @caela I’m really curious … do you think by that way you really defending your fave character?
    Let me tell you then that you are doing a lousy job here. By trying to degrade Kaname AGAIN and trying to present him as the villain while whitewashing Sara to justify Zero’s alliance with her, the only that you accomplish is to provoke more harsh comments for Zero.

    So … what goes around comes around Razz

    caela wrote: All I know is that, the entire time I have been on all-up, I have always questioned even Rido's physical ability to change the list (his motive isn't that great either). Who ever changed the list is probably the enemy of the purebloods and Kaname, to me, is still a candidate. I suppose that means Sara is also a possibility. Rido was never written with enough brains to be a real possibility.

    I shall answer to your repeatedly question about Rido …

    1. His motive that you are questioning: In the fanbook is stated that Rido changed the list in order to punish Shizuka cuz she escaped WITH her lover. And I adduce the fanbook cuz there are info which concern the whole story regardless the developments cuz it doesn’t follow the progress of the manga. Viz contains info that can’t be changed or else looses its credibility. I suppose that you are not implying that Hino is trolling us with her ONE and only fanbook cuz is another thing not to reveal something than stating false information.

    Rido might have an obsession with Juuri but he couldn’t have her. Further more it is also stated that Rido was the one who imprisoned Shizuka since birth. What for; if - as you believe - he didn’t give a damn about Shizuka. Shizuka was his fiancée and regardless if he loved her or not (which he didn’t) the fact that Shizuka run off with her lover an ex-human level-d vampire wasn’t so pleasant for Rido’s ego I suppose … a being who had inferiority issues from Juuri’s rejection. Additional we do not know yet why Shizuka was his fiancée in the first place and lots of Shizuka’s circumstances in order to draw final conclusions of what purposes this engagement had been served.

    2. About his physical ability to change the list: But no one ever said that he did it himself. It was Asato who gave the order to the former president of the HA. An order that it was Rido’s wish. Now the fact that he didn’t have a functional body doesn’t also mean that he wasn’t able to communicate. Did he or did he not possessed the body of that child (which more likely is his other son) in the first arc? Did he or did he not spoke with Shiki in his original body in an incomplete state? Because your memory seems that it doesn’t serve you here the scans >>
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2155-16/vampire-knight/chapter-29.html
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2155-17/vampire-knight/chapter-29.html
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2155-31/vampire-knight/chapter-29.html

    And do not confuse the state of slumber with Rido’s state … as he himself says in that child’s form >> “He may not look it, but he is QUITE ALIVE (means Rido)… I was looking forward to meet you when you’ve grown up.”

    Another point that it proves that Rido was able to communicate, act and taking decisions is the fact that he gave his blood to the former president of the HA as an exchange for the little favour that he asked i.e. to change the list.

    So in other words Rido was able to communicate all these years that his body resurrecting … I hope this explanation to solve your wonder …

    About the enemy of the PBs: Kaname’s words from the official volume >>
    “I will make sure your life was not in vain. I shall destroy what you truly hated … THOSE who twisted OUR fate … the fate of the PBs.”

    Isn’t obvious that Kaname is talking about Rido and the senate (THOSE) and not about himself? And what follows after Shizuka’s death? The extermination of Rido, Asato (who was planning to annihilate ALL the PBs) and senate. So Kaname’s wording reveals who were the enemies of the PBs … I suppose he couldn’t be talking about himself there nor he had any reason to lie…

    Is the accusation possible? As far as I am concerned, Kaname is smart enough to fool Shizuka. Also The girl was stuck in a cage for who knows how long. Its not like Shizuka was privy to all the latest information like Sara was.

    1. But we know for how long Shizuka was caged … since birth. Hm … seems that your knowledge is limited.
    2. Also Shizuka lived for 4 years freely in Maria’s body. So she had more than enough time to investigate or to gather info of whom was responsible for her misfortune. Moreover Shizuka seemed well informed about Yuuki’s circumstances regarding her breeding. She knew that Yuuki grew up in a protected environment with much love and care as she also said to Yuuki, and moreover that Kaname’s soft spot was Yuuki. Do not also forget that Shizuka (in Maria’s body) was using the form of birds to observe and collect information. So seems like Shizuka had her way to be informed.

    Therefore your arguments on which you are basing your theory (if not certainty) about Kaname as the responsible one for changing the list are stemming from false interpretations or lack of knowledge which can’t be supported from the FACTS as are stated both in the fanbook and the manga. Not to mention that you have discarded totally the info that Sara used untrue rumours to trap Zero … I remember vividly a few months ago to demonstrate an interpretation –not a translation- from the same source as FACT … mm how convenient … Razz

    But even if Sara used that to trap Zero this means that she used a total lie hence and Zero will be in a worse position that he is now when the truth will be disclosed. Also if Sara told him that his parents were killed from Kaname why he didn’t go to Yagari to derive more information? Note that Yagari is the one who investigated the murder of Zero’s parents for long. So I suppose if he wanted to confirm Sara’s revelation, or at least to check it, Yagari should have been the first one who should have talked to.

    About Zero trying to save Yuuki from Kaname: I meant it in a moral sense. Yuuki and Zero's dynamic has always been conditional (as opposed to Yume's unconditional dynamic): Yuuki protected Zero because of her sense of justice, and Zero protected Yuuki because of his respect of that sense of justice (yes, other reasons as well....but focusing on one reason for both for a reason).

    rofl Give me a break! Zero has no right to interfere into Yume relationship using this lame approach. What is he to Yuuki according to his POV anyway?

    But since you brought it up … let’s talk a bit about Zero’s motives …
    - He decides to arrest Aido the moment he said > “Well then should I follow the two of them right away, or am I supposed to leave them alone by not following them just yet? And as I said that Kiryuu came towards me …”
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-56087-3/vampire-knight/chapter-63.html

    What triggered Zero’s reaction? IMO and judging also from his latest reactions was jealousy … thinking Yuuki and Kaname together lost it thus and burst on Aido. He disguised his action by telling that he captured Aido as the right hand of Kaname … and surprise-surprise cuz Sara’s was turning humans into vampires! Back then this was enough of a reason to suspect and accuse Kaname again while now … Razz

    - He rushed to deliver to Yuuki Kaname’s message –which btw framing Kaname – but when Yuuki didn’t eat Kaname’s lies and said that she still had the intention to go after Kaname and that she was glad that he didn’t forget her … he grabbed her arm! Back then you supported that Zero felt sorry for her … But surprise-surprise he did the same thing in this chapter when Yuuki said AGAIN that she’ll go to Kaname and that it wasn’t Kaname who attacked Hanadagi as many thought.
    So now we can be surer that what triggered Zero’s reaction was jealousy … he had the same reactions to the same irritant! The point is though that Zero in chapter 76 didn’t know Sara’s “secret” yet, but seems like he had the same intention i.e. to prevent Yuuki from going after Kaname for his own personal reasons. Which leads me to think that now Sara offered him the perfect excuse to accuse Kaname … in other words he wanted to believe a proven evil PB cuz he is blinded from his jealousy mixed with his hatred for Kaname which goes long back…

    So back to your interpretation about Zero’s motive … how noble is his stance; to use unconfirmed info to badmouth his rival and especially to Yuuki??? Evil or Very Mad





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    Re: Vampire Knight chapter 78 Full Raws + first translation

    Post by caela on Sun Dec 25, 2011 10:46 pm

    nina wrote:So back to your interpretation about Zero’s motive … how noble is his stance; to use unconfirmed info to badmouth his rival and especially to Yuuki???

    I don't have proof that Zero confirmed the accusation, and you don't have proof that he didn't confirm Sara's story. Badmouthing is only badmouthing if not confirmed. And yes, Rido was jello pudding during that time... Rido was not the one who changed the list.

    Also the scans and proof you provided did not show any activity of Rido's until close to the time he attacked he Academy. Even Rido's second son was given birth to about 15-20 years prior to the Academy attack (noble vampires age at half-speed of human aging, during their youth). There is no proof of any activity, mental or otherwise from Rido 5-6 years prior when the list was changed.

    Shiki was born 38-39 human years ago (again, noble vampires age at half-speed of human aging, during their youth). There was plenty of time before the Kaname attack on Rido to wish to see Shiki grown up.

    Rido needs means, motive and opportunity. You gave no solid proof of any of the three.

    (Also, what proof is there that Kaname is incapable of lying? Yuuki even called him a liar: chap 66: "You're an animal, also fragile and a liar")

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    Re: Vampire Knight chapter 78 Full Raws + first translation

    Post by Bloodredhead on Sun Dec 25, 2011 11:06 pm

    caela wrote:
    nina wrote:So back to your interpretation about Zero’s motive … how noble is his stance; to use unconfirmed info to badmouth his rival and especially to Yuuki???

    I don't have proof that Zero confirmed the accusation, and you don't have proof that he didn't confirm Sara's story. Badmouthing is only badmouthing if not confirmed. And yes, Rido was jello pudding during that time... Rido was not the one who changed the list.

    Also the scans and proof you provided did not show any activity of Rido's until close to the time he attacked he Academy. Even Rido's second son was given birth to about 15-20 years prior to the Academy attack (noble vampires age at half-speed of human aging, during their youth). There is no proof of any activity, mental or otherwise from Rido 5-6 years prior when the list was changed.

    Shiki was born 38-39 human years ago (again, noble vampires age at half-speed of human aging, during their youth). There was plenty of time before the Kaname attack on Rido to wish to see Shiki grown up.

    Rido needs means, motive and opportunity. You gave no solid proof of any of the three.

    (Also, what proof is there that Kaname is incapable of lying? Yuuki even called him a liar: chap 66: "You're an animal, also fragile and a liar")

    considering nina's evidence wasnt enough here's some more. http://vampireknight.all-up.com/t1084-kaname-sin#24335

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    Re: Vampire Knight chapter 78 Full Raws + first translation

    Post by lililovelilica on Mon Dec 26, 2011 12:43 am

    this is really all confusing,i think that before you all say such things,we have to wait till kaname says his secrets or finally ends with sara and hino-sensei finally reveals the thruth

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