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    Zero on Sara's side?

    Post by aya-chan on Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:27 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    In chapter 78, according to chinese raws:

    >>> sara called zero a weapon, and everything is okay if she will get her weapon

    >>>kaien asked zero who spread the blood tablets in cross acedemy, a flashback of sara went through his mind but he kept silent.

    >>>Moreover he said to kaien they should have purebloods by themself who can be advantageous to them and he - zero - likes the idea to have purebloods inside cross academy.

    >>>Moreover, zero told yuuki he won't let her do anything to sara.

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    Re: Is Zero on Sara's Side?

    Post by lililovelilica on Tue Dec 27, 2011 11:44 pm

    nina wrote:The quotes are from this thread >> http://vampireknight.all-up.com/t1079p50-vampire-knight-chapter-78-full-raws-first-translation#24453

    Juliet wrote: I think that the main question now is if he is a pawn > another puppet that as Sara claims he is at the same level of Takuma or if he plays his own game here and we are underestimating his intentions and scopes...

    does he play chess or is he played around?

    I hardly can see Zero playing chess, at least he never shown to have such trait as character. Moreover his reaction towards Yuuki and his wordings –for me at least- it is way too emotional and intense thus inconsistent with someone who’s thinking strategically and self-possessedly. >>

    Anneliezz wrote: I don't think I ment you on that comment xD I quickly went to the prvious posts, and I read it somewhere in a post?. It was just my point that Zero suddenly revealing what he 'knows' was no deliberate move. Yuuki saying that Kaname was innnocent after all (or something like that) must've been the last drop (I don't even know if this expression is used in english, but you know what I mean?). I think sometimes we (we all) seek to much (like motives) behind simple emotional reactions. These are all humans (or vampires but you get the point Razz ), not Robots.

    Okay then sorry if I misunderstood.
    So we agree …
    I count his reaction more of an impulse driven from mixed and intense suppressed feelings rather as a well calculated move to serve a plan there. And while this estimation doesn’t rule out the possibility to have acted this way because he can’t stand Yuuki defending Kaname and want to go to him –thus and badmouthing him- it does limit the explanation that he is protecting her as a source for more info. >>

    That's why I said we don't need to put him into a corner with Sara. Like everyoneone said it is totally against his values. But if he feels like he might only get the truth form her, then he will want to at least protect his information source. For example to win time.

    I do not believe either that he suddenly loved Sara of course. But I think that he fully believed her thus placed himself into her web. If Zero had doubts for what Sara told him or a plan to counter her IMO he wouldn’t badmouth Kaname especially to Yuuki. Although we know his personal biased opinion for Kaname I find it difficult to degrade him in front of her moreover since Yuuki didn’t express the intention to kill Sara.
    I mean in case that he wanted to protect the source for more info as you supported, why he went to such extents? Was Sara running any danger to be killed from Yuuki at that moment? Why such rush and determination to protect Sara right there? Why he treated roughly Hanadagi’s guard ignoring her testimony?

    Anyways getting his source killed, would be unfurtunate.

    Didn’t Yuuki say that she’ll stop Kaname? If Yuuki stops Kaname wouldn’t that serve Zero’s interest IF his interest is to protect Sara only in order to gain more time and info? If that was his motive then he should have let Yuuki to stop Kaname cuz their interests coincide.


    His wording “I won’t let you lay your hands on that woman …” !!!! and
    “That man … Kaname Kuran … every single one of his cells, the entirety of his existence, is nothing but filth!” IMO are very strong and emotional to indicate only his attempt to protect a source. And how by saying that Kaname is filthy protecting Sara? When he said that Kaname hadn’t appeared yet!?

    Additional if his only intention was to protect only Sara=source why he said to Kaien>>

    Zero: “…I just wish we had more purebloods like this who serve our interest.”

    He wished to have more PBs to serve their interests?!!!! affraid What this could have to do with his intention to protect ONLY Sara for the time being at least?

    I think Yuuki’s words together with Zero’s statements nailed your estimation about Zero’s motive.

    Furthermore Sara seems pretty confident that she gained the weapon aka Zero that she was seeking for long and that he shall fall as Takuma. Her words leading me to the thought that Zero believed her and thus possibly he’ll drink from her in the near future something that will bond him further and bring him on the same position as Takuma, if not even worse cuz Takuma knows her deceptions and he has self-awareness of the position that he is in to.

    Hmm, I see for the murder of his parents Yagari would know more.but.. Kaien could possibly know more from K.(Like the situation with Yuuki, Kaien knew about it). Indeed he trusts Yagari, but that's why he wouldn't ask. Yagari would never hold back any information like that. While Kaien has already done that. The difference is that that time it was for Yuuki's best interest...But then again he never really trusted Kaien when it came to vampire matters.

    I hardly can believe that Kaien would cover Kaname’s involvement into Zero’s parents’ murder. The fact that Kaien hid from Zero Yuuki’s true nature has a totally different gravity to be compared. Moreover, didn’t Kaien hide Zero’s vampirism from Yuuki and on expense of her? Zero has no right to mistrust Kaien based on this in the first place. And if that is his rational then in my eyes he is irrational.
    Furthermore –maybe it’s me- but this speculation seems contradictory …
    He goes to Kaien who doesn’t trust to ask about Kaname’s plan? And why trusting what Kaien would have to say since he doesn’t trust him; especially concerning Kaname’s affairs? Shocked

    Sarah seems to have told him K had everything to do with his family, so it's not weird for Zero to ask If Kaien knew about Kaname's plans, like he knew about his plans with Yuuki.

    For me it is weird! I’ll repeat myself … what connection can have Kaname’s current or future moves with the death of his parents??? Asking for Kaname’s current plan for a matter that happened 5 years ago and it is over!? scratch

    If you have any idea I would gladly hear it cuz frankly I can’t think any connection right now.




    Zero believed Sara because the secret about Kaname's sins is not a lie but the thrue...or we could say half thrue...we can just tell that this "secret" reverted totally the chess board,now the game's reversed,Sara's winning(for now)but with Kaname's arrival and Yuuki as the new Dorm Leader of Cross Gakuen we can assume:2 purebloods against 1 pureblood...result:Kaname wins YAY! cheers
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    Re: Is Zero on Sara's Side?

    Post by Akaruisama on Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:44 am

    I think it is obvious that Zero would belive Sara in everything what is about Kaname's sins. He hates Kuran so much that he is not able to judge objectively. In addition he most propably knew about the curse Kaname had cast the hunter's twins. It explains why he was so angry in the last chapter.

    The question is now is he manipulated by Sara? In my opinion Zero is too independent to be a good weapon. Of course Sara is trying to use his hartress against Kaname. I'm wondering if it is a reason why she didn't try to hurt Yuuki? Perhaps she know about Zero feelings and she try to use their relation also?
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    Re: Is Zero on Sara's Side?

    Post by Anneliezz on Sat Jan 07, 2012 2:11 am

    Oops, nina, I'm sorry. I've only seen you post just now. Can't answer it now, but tomorrow I'll edit this post and respond to what you said. Razz
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    Re: Is Zero on Sara's Side?

    Post by Yuki Kuran on Sat Jan 07, 2012 9:56 am

    Both Sara and Zero are smart.
    To be honest, I wouldn't say that Zero has directly
    take the side of Sara. Sara, probably has a card to lay down.
    Sara may be right or may be wrong. Point is, if Kaname had already gotten rid of Rido, Shizuka wouldn't have take Ichiru away and put Zero into pain. (Rido was the one who changed the hunter list)

    However, Zero will not betray Yuki, and understands Sara is dangerous. He's smart, so I think he's laying down a card as well.

    Otherwise my best guess is, Sara has threatened to kill Yuki, and if Zero doesn't do what she says then it's over, or.. His hatred for Kaname has made him believe Sara, however. If Zero finds out about her intentions to kill Yuki and become queen, there might be a big fight.
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    Re: Is Zero on Sara's Side?

    Post by Shoujo-Zo18 on Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:02 am

    I don't think Zero is really "on Sara's side"... She told him something about Kaname that linked him to some bad events happening in Zero's life...though i'm not exactly sure what she told him because it didn't show that full scene. He did tell yuuki to leave Sara alone, but my guess is he probably thinks he can get more information out of her.
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    Re: Is Zero on Sara's Side?

    Post by Anneliezz on Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:58 pm

    OOops Nina seems like I still hadn't answered yet....sorry
    I'll keep it short since we'll have a new chapter soon.

    You're talking about the extreme measures he took. But he didn't do anthing more than Yuuki IMO. Neither of them will let Sara die and neither of them are giving any information (Yuuki didn't show up to talk too Kaien, maybe this does have it's reasons?). You wonder why he said such things to Yuuki while she didn't express any intent to kill Sara.....But he doesnt seem to know that. He says to her (something like it)'You want to kill sara shirabuki ...' upon finding her with the servant girl. She does not deny his words (probably to occupied with the rest he's saying, can't blame her) so I'm gussing he doesnt know about her promise towards Sara He wasn't there at the moment either). Considering that, his measures don't seem so extreme anymore... It's basically what Yuuki has done. He's more violent (toward the servant girl) but that girl clearly didn't behave the same towards him and Yuuki....and Yuuki would never react violent anyways...so here he would ofcourse react worse than hers. Here I still see Zero and Yuuki on the same side (Im not talking about next chapter, since Yuuki's reaction might change a lot, but here they have basically the same polan ( about Sara at least, not talking about Kaname ofcourse....that plan would be deifferent Razz)

    He didn't really say anything about her stopping K, did he? He only talked about the tainted part..... So he's not against her on this matter.


    I don't really get why You're showing his words about Kaname, saying he means more to this than just protect Sara ...I though we agreed this was an emotional reaction (that follows without intentions)??? Maybe I misunderstood you earlier? I don't really get what you mean, it seems kinda contradicting to me..


    The other words you showed. Look at the context. He's talkin about it to Kaien...Then says he asks about it because there's a pb (touma) in the headquarters. He's asking what Kaien is planning with Touma as he explains himself.

    About Kaien. Ofcourse Zero is acting irrational. We've seen this state his was in last chapter......I know that Kaien would not hide such a fact, but seeing all zero's reeactions this chapter I don't think he knows who to trust anymore....(but I already mentioned this before.) And it's not contradicting ....if it were Yagari, I think Zero trusts Yagari and that's why he might think Yagari wouldve already told him.....


    Well people plan things out for the future, right? If Kaname had sth to do with his family's death it could have to with some benefit for the future.....He let Zero live for the sake of protecting Yuuki in the future.....If all of this is a part of the same plan (Kaname mentioned he's had his plans for a long time) parts of the future in that plan might reveal the 'why' in the past. Maybe an intention to do something for some benefit in the future...
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    Re: Is Zero on Sara's Side?

    Post by Knightmare on Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:46 am

    SassyKnight wrote:
    Firstly, Ichiru led Shizuka to his home (stated in the Fanbook) and even though he said "Did you suffer having your fate twisted by Shizuka Sama?" It doesn't mean that he DID ask Shizuka turn Zero, because it didn't even say that...Well I might be wrong but that's just how I see it.. Razz

    I agree that it wasn't Ichiru. The fanbook says that Shizuka turned Zero because she thought he resembled her lover and Ichiru resembled herself, which is why she kept him by her side. Shizuka also stated that she turned Zero to punish his parents (flashback) and in the side story, it states she recognised his nature like her lover.
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    Re: Is Zero on Sara's Side?

    Post by lililovelilica on Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:57 am

    Knightmare wrote:
    SassyKnight wrote:
    Firstly, Ichiru led Shizuka to his home (stated in the Fanbook) and even though he said "Did you suffer having your fate twisted by Shizuka Sama?" It doesn't mean that he DID ask Shizuka turn Zero, because it didn't even say that...Well I might be wrong but that's just how I see it.. Razz

    I agree that it wasn't Ichiru. The fanbook says that Shizuka turned Zero because she thought he resembled her lover and Ichiru resembled herself, which is why she kept him by her side. Shizuka also stated that she turned Zero to punish his parents (flashback) and in the side story, it states she recognised his nature like her lover.
    I think that's a lie
    Zero's not like Shizuka's past love...Maybe she just did it for revenge...and because she met Ichiru first and saw that it wasn't needed to bite him like Zero? confused
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    Re: Is Zero on Sara's Side?

    Post by Knightmare on Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:14 am

    lililovelilica wrote:
    knightmare wrote:
    I agree that it wasn't Ichiru. The fanbook says that Shizuka turned Zero because she thought he resembled her lover and Ichiru resembled herself, which is why she kept him by her side. Shizuka also stated that she turned Zero to punish his parents (flashback) and in the side story, it states she recognised his nature like her lover.
    I think that's a lie
    Zero's not like Shizuka's past love...Maybe she just did it for revenge...and because she met Ichiru first and saw that it wasn't needed to bite him like Zero? confused
    Um no one knows what he was like except for Shizuka who made the claim. its because she recognises their refusal to obey her. her lover still resented her, even though she was his master etc. Shizuka said Zero's eyes were the same as her lovers. Shizuka knew Zero would be a challenge.

    shizuka met the twins at the same time, Zero recognised her first as a vampire, later shizuka also realised he was stronger than his parents. ichiru continued visiting her after that initial meeting.
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    Re: Is Zero on Sara's Side?

    Post by Shoujo-Zo18 on Sun Jan 22, 2012 3:04 am

    Is Zero on Sara's side....? Hm, nope i just think he wants to draw information for her... But Kaname is on her side! Actually it's more like she's on his side since he probably commissioned her to help.... If you read the latest chapter it was mentioned that Sara has been helping him kill purebloods....but now he's going to kill her. Is that how you treat your accomplices Kaname? I feel sorry for whatever becomes of Kain and Ruka!! D:
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    Post by iiXerxes on Sun Jan 22, 2012 3:28 am

    I don't think zero is on sara's side...I think he's just getting information from her. he didn't want yuuki to do anything to sara or anything probably because sara told him that information about kaname being connected to the death of his parents...and i dont think he'd side with a pureblood.

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    Re: Is Zero on Sara's Side?

    Post by Katherine on Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:48 pm

    iiXerxes wrote:I don't think zero is on sara's side...I think he's just getting information from her. he didn't want yuuki to do anything to sara or anything probably because sara told him that information about kaname being connected to the death of his parents...and i dont think he'd side with a pureblood.


    Right because of his main goal he can´t be completely on the side of a pureblood because in the end he has to kill the pureblood too...of course he has another goal by being on her side for some time, he doesn´t need to be completely loyal to her, I don´t think Zero could be loyal to sara (just to Yuuki)...
    we´ll see but I don´t like the idea of seing one if my hot boys on Sara´s evil side
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    Post by iiXerxes on Sun Jan 22, 2012 8:56 pm

    Katherine wrote:Right because of his main goal he can´t be completely on the side of a pureblood because in the end he has to kill the pureblood too...of course he has another goal by being on her side for some time, he doesn´t need to be completely loyal to her, I don´t think Zero could be loyal to sara (just to Yuuki)...
    we´ll see but I don´t like the idea of seing one if my hot boys on Sara´s evil side

    Yeah...thinking about zero on sara's side would be a bit odd XD

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    Post by Katherine on Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:02 pm

    iiXerxes wrote:
    Katherine wrote:Right because of his main goal he can´t be completely on the side of a pureblood because in the end he has to kill the pureblood too...of course he has another goal by being on her side for some time, he doesn´t need to be completely loyal to her, I don´t think Zero could be loyal to sara (just to Yuuki)...
    we´ll see but I don´t like the idea of seing one if my hot boys on Sara´s evil side

    Yeah...thinking about zero on sara's side would be a bit odd XD

    I think Zero is a character who is often controlled by his emotions, even tough he always tries to not show it so much...Zero can´t be controlled by someone like Sara completely. She can only give him some impulse, for example by telling him a dark secret about kaname she knows that he reacts on it in a specific way, but she can´t controll what he tries to do when he f.e. meets Kaname...I think we have to admit that Zero has a strong side and I hope that he is the only one who influences his movements (no one else...I dont want to see Kaname influencing or controlling Zero too although I´m a Yume...everyone should have his/her own free will)

    Zero will show his real intentions soon...the time has come to show what the characters really want to do
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    Re: Is Zero on Sara's Side?

    Post by Akaruisama on Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:51 pm

    I agree with Katherine.
    Zero is someone too independent to let himself being influenced by other person completly. On the other hand he was often taken out by his emotions, they were his impulse to act. Lately, we know he is able already to think emotionless, for example when he took part in the ball organised by Kaname.
    Now it is easier to him to pretend he balives Sara. He can be just observator who look at what happening before his eyes and not interefere when it is according to his goal. Zero has no reasons to stop Kaname now when he is eliminating purebloods. In addition, Zero can look passively on Kaname following the path of his own destruction.
    I must add I'm not criticize Zero's behaviour. I think he act wisely and he has developped much from the beginning.
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    Re: Is Zero on Sara's Side?

    Post by mariangie on Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:00 am

    Zero had been told to left Kaname alone to continue whatever plans he had . To only continue to watch Yuuki . This are direct orders from the Vampire Hunter's Association . Specially told by Yagari ( the real Hunter's President by action ) to Zero .

    But Zero hates Kaname with all his heart . Worse now after what Sara told him . He even tried to shot a shadow of Kaname knowing this . Losing control of himself for some seconds . Requiring Yuuki to calm him out . So don't expect Zero to follow the Hunter's instructions . If Zero believes he is working alone to kill Kaname . He is in reality working in favor of Sara . So he got trapped in Sara's web because of his impulsivity .
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    Post by chantelle123457 on Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:14 am

    look at this cartoon that is sort of like yuki,zero and kaname!!!!
    check this out!!!;] ;] ;] ;] ;] ;] !!!!!! argue


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    Post by chantelle123457 on Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:05 am

    sBo_jumping hi i think that he should not stay on her side
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    Post by KuranPrince on Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:28 am

    chantelle123457 wrote: sBo_jumping hi i think that he should not stay on her side


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    Re: Is Zero on Sara's Side?

    Post by ItsakindaMagic on Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:13 am

    no, zero is not her weapon. didn't she call zero kaname's weapon anyway? zero make life simple and just get the hell out of there.

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    Post by animebiatchxx on Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:57 am

    no idea whats going on but have to wait for chap 81 so i can get it on my ipod
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    Re: Is Zero on Sara's Side?

    Post by mariangie on Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:31 pm

    Well ! Now there is enough proof for saying Zero is now at Sara's side as her White Vampire Knight .

    Sara's was smart enough to make Zero to play with her team .

    If you know a bit about Zero's personality . He is not the kind of guy who liked to be boss around . He likes to believe his choices are his own . Nor wanted to be manipulated .
    Zero is very stubborn . A loner who liked to play alone and not in a team . His worst weakness / best strenght are his love for Yuuki

    The thing is Zero's character is easier to read than he would like to believe . This is what makes him difficult to manipulate . But when the people who want to use him did cover his weakness ; Zero felt hard .

    Sara had get to believe Zero is the one who is making all his choices . But he is only doing what Sara planned for him since the start .

    The part of Zero drinking from Sara is easy to explain . This is basically what the story told : Zero wants to kill Kaname because of his hate . Zero's desire of vengance from what he see as Kaname destroying his whole world . Zero needs blood . He is not drinking blood tablets after meeting Yuuki again in the Cross Academy . He needs more power to fight Kaname . Sara has offered her blood to him before .

    The only weird thing is why Zero decided to drink Sara's blood in front of the hunter's . Is he expecting to fight Kaname in mere minutes ? Would Zero wants hunters to chose if they going to turn to his side or not ?

    For me it would not be rare if Zero is trying to see who is with him and who is against him with the public Sara's bite . Testing loyalties from the vampires hunters . To get if they accept his leadership in the next war or not .

    I don't think Sara would give enough information with her blood about herself for Zero discovering being played by her .

    A problem here will be : as Zero accepted Sara's blood . Could he get some harmful side effect from her ? sSic_stretcher Kaname did said her blood was bad . affraid After all she is a " poisonous spider " .

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    Re: Is Zero on Sara's Side?

    Post by Shoujo-Zo18 on Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:00 pm

    Well yes, they have made a deal, that zero will hide her at the association and she will help him to kill Kaname since they share a common enemy. Wasn't that obvious from the start? o.O And since Zero drank her blood it looks like her way of helping is to make him stronger by drinking her blood, since she is a pureblood. But I wonder what Kaname meant when he said her blood was tainted. . . she is a pureblood right? scratch Also i found interesting the rumour that the hunters have been spreading.... that it'd be better to let Kaname & Sara kill each other... Well that won't happen if Sara's in the Hunter's association safe and sound o.O I imagine she will sit back and watch with her creepy little spiders as Zero fights Kaname... and then if Kaname's weakened or Zero can no longer fight, then Sara will step in to finish him. Or... she'll jut let her faithful servants like Ichijou and the girls help zero.... I think she'd only help as a last resort.
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    Re: Is Zero on Sara's Side?

    Post by nina on Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:49 pm

    Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:Well yes, they have made a deal, that zero will hide her at the association and she will help him to kill Kaname since they share a common enemy. Wasn't that obvious from the start? o.O


    Orly??? It was so obvious from the start?? Then who wrote the beneath posts???>>>


    SassyKnight wrote: I don't think he is on her side exactly, I believe he wants her alive for more information about his family's death 5 years ago. Zero has a reason to act that way and I think he's just desperate for answers


    Shoujo-Zo18 wrote: I don't think Zero is really "on Sara's side"

    He did tell yuuki to leave Sara alone, but my guess is he probably thinks he can get more information out of her.

    http://vampireknight.all-up.com/t1086p20-is-zero-on-sara-s-side

    Shoujo-Zo-18 wrote: Is Zero on Sara's side....? Hm, nope i just think he wants to draw information for her... [u]But Kaname is on her side! Actually it's more like she's on his side since he probably commissioned her to help[/b].... If you read the latest chapter it was mentioned that Sara has been helping him kill purebloods....but now he's going to kill her. Is that how you treat your accomplices Kaname? I feel sorry for whatever becomes of Kain and Ruka!! D:

    iiXerxes wrote: I don't think zero is on sara's side...I think he's just getting information from her. he didn't want yuuki to do anything to sara or anything probably because sara told him that information about kaname being connected to the death of his parents...and i dont think he'd side with a pureblood.

    Yeah...thinking about zero on sara's side would be a bit odd XD

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    Re: Is Zero on Sara's Side?

    Post by SassyKnight on Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:46 am

    Zero is not on Sara's side. I think he's just using Sara for her power for his revenge on Kaname. I think that he also want answers from her. Zero is smart; He would never side with a Pureblood (Well except Yuki) XD

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    Re: Is Zero on Sara's Side?

    Post by Rikana-hime on Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:51 am

    SassyKnight wrote:Zero is not on Sara's side. I think he's just using Sara for her power for his revenge on Kaname. I think that he also want answers from her. Zero is smart; He would never side with a Pureblood (Well except Yuki) XD
    But that is the Sara's plan for Zero.She use his hatred (also his weakness) to make Zero do what she want: Kill Kaname.


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