Juliet wrote: Sara had reasons for keeping the guardian alive but what would be her reason in order to leave Aido-dono unharmed?
…wouldn't he be another weapon in Sara's plans who would squeeze the info and out of him and perhaps later on exterminate him to make sure that there were no witnesses there left?
Right. Sara seems that she wouldn’t hesitate to kill/sacrifice Aido-dono’s life … the indication for this is her own line >>
Sara: “I thought if he’d been completely parched I’d have to sacrifice some blood first, so I brought something for him to eat. But there wasn’t any need for that, was there? Aido-dono…”
So … since Sara was ready to sacrifice Aido-dono to “restore” Hanadagi, then doesn’t this mean that he had no further use for her; or at least he wasn’t so important for her? Additionally … Aido-dono’s presence there seems random hence in Sara’s initial plan he cannot have been included. Thus I think yes … afterwards it is highly possible to have killed him in order to wipe out all the witnesses of her involvement.
Rereading this chapter I also noticed that Sara literally confesses that she killed Ouri whilst she knew that Aido was there hiding >>
Ergo … knowing now that her intention was to frame Kaname for Ouri’s murder as well, isn’t peculiar that she confesses her crime to Aido-dono? << This I think that is another indication for Aido-dono’s fate, since I cannot imagine that she would have had let him to expose not only her attack to Hanadagi but also the murder of Ouri lol.
Thus I agree … it is apparent that Aido-dono caught up in a situation which seems like a dead-end for him.
Kaname's hands had put us in a lot of troubles; haha, I do not think that its Hino style to forget how she had pictured Kaname when wielding the weapons at the past and they were not hurting him; so i hope that there is a better explanation about it than "Hino forgot it". Also to say that Kaname's power are unknown (this is stated in the fan book).
What intrigues me more in this case and trying to figure out more possibilities about Kaname’s burnt hand, isn’t not only that the explanation that he cannot wield anti-vampire weapons without harm, is contradictory with his past, but also with that scene itself.
Even if we accept that the use of the sword was the reason of his burnt hand … I wonder then; why he had to use it upon Aido-dono??? If the sword was harming him seriously then after Hanadagi’s extermination –in which is totally understandable to use the sword because he was a PB so he had no other choice to finish him - Aido-dono was just a noble vampire i.e. Kaname could have had finished him with just a blow without the use of any anti-vampire weapon … moreover when this weapon supposedly would harm him further. ????
Don’t know … at least for me doesn’t gel well the whole thing lol.
I would love to hear your ideas there , but before this let me state to you my own hesitations with this theory which I had though in the past but i got stacked at the below points;
Neither Sara can kill him, neither Hana...
She stated that she needed the hunter's weapon (so her intention did seem that she wanted her new slave killed)...
Haha … I do not think that my ideas would be something new for you
but I’ll give it a try … maybe I will trigger your imagination more lol.
And I have my reservations too about the relation master/servant between Sara and Hana being the reason of why he should have been killed.
However I was thinking that there is a difference between Kaname/Rido’s case and Hanadagi/Sara’s … Sara actually has stolen Hanadagi’s heart i.e. his powers
… something that it didn’t happen in Kaname’s awakening by Rido.
Of course this might be irrelevant but keep it in mind.
But let’s review that scene again:
Sara to Hanadagi: “You’ve already awakened, right? It’s troublesome… As I thought a hunter’s hand is needed to give you a finishing blow, don’t you think? Hanadagi sama.”
1. She say’s that Hanadagi’s awakening it is troublesome i.e. could this mean that she wasn’t sure that Hana will woke?
2. However she thought about that, this possibility might occur and even if her life wasn’t in danger due to the relation master/”servant”; still Hanadagi as a witness could have had blew her façade … so isn’t to wonder how she had planned to get rid of Hanadagi? >>
Thus this rationale leads me to think that Sara somehow knew/figured/expected that Kaname (a replacement of a hunter’s hand) would be bound to step in and finish Hanadagi.
The question though is why? And this “why” navigates me to the guard’s stance later who said “If it wasn’t for that female fox’s attack … master would NOT have been killed.”
And to add something more … note how desperate the guard seems in her attempt to stop Sara from attacking to her master >>
>> why so much desperation??? And I’ll repeat … Hanadagi could have had perfectly go on living even after Sara had stolen his heart. So I can only explain the guard’s desperation if she knew that her master’s awakening was equal somehow to death????
Note another cue from the previous chapter >>
Guard: “Although I couldn’t see master in his final moments…”
>> although she couldn’t see his death; was she certain about his end???
I’m leaving this trace for now here…
I agree with your observation that Sara probably wanted Hana dead since either way her ultimate goal is the extinction of all the PBs, plus at that point she didn’t want to leave any trace behind…
However another question that arises, is why Hanadagi specifically? Why not Hio for example who was as well into slumber; or why not any other PB in slumber? Moreover since in order to attack at Hanadagi’s castle she should have to kill first another PB > Ouri. << All these makes me think that Hanadagi wasn’t a random choice … on the contrary was a very calculated choice.
Sara to Hanadagi: But it’s okay with me because I received this heart in which most power was gathered from you.”
Now what I understand from the above portions is that Sara wanted to gain Hanadagi’s powers and not to use him further … at least not an alive Hanadagi … I think she had to gain more from his death, especially if the one who would appear that was responsible for his death would be Kaname.
Therefore my questions are >>
1. She wanted Hanadagi specifically for his particular powers?
2. Or she chose Hanadagi due to a relation that he might have had with Kaname? (just to remind that Kaname was monitoring Hanadagi’s castle much earlier)
3. Or for both of the above reasons; killing two birds with one stone?
Here I’m divided lol. However I’m leaning more to the 3rd option.
- Hanadagi’s special power.
The only that we’ve seen from him is that he hypnotized Aido-dono … a power that all the PBs have. But what IF this scene was a hint for a more superior power that could give further mind control even without an eye-contact?
A prime example is the state of mind of the users of the dark-tablets. They seemed to be in a “trance” and addicted to tablets i.e. to her blood.
However this side-effect could stem from her own blood but if so then why she consumed Hanadagi’s heart?
Another point that might indicate that Sara’s own power to control through her blood it wasn’t so effective is Takuma. While he drank her blood when she captured him still the scene with Takuma and Yuuki, where he tried to warn her about Sara’s tablets it is a hint that Sara had failed to control him >>
Thus after that scene Sara forces Takuma to drank her blood again i.e. her blood that now contains and Hanadagi’s powers through his heart that she had consumed>>
>>Takuma says that till now he had managed to resist her >>
And that it is true to a certain degree cuz if we compare the Takuma till he drinks from her for the second time and the Takuma afterwards there are visible differences >>
Anyway … my estimation is that after that scene Sara gained even further control over Takuma …
Well this is what I have for now … any ideas are welcomed lol.
I wonder why though
PS. Did you edit your post adding more? I think you did but just now saw it lol.
@KuranPrince thank you. And btw … superb avatar and siggy ^.~
Juliet wrote: Hanadagi normally should wake up normally as Isaya did and take his guardian's blood in order to revive and get back memories that he lost...
a common problem with the purebloods as Isaya had stated to Kaien; "Having so much time on my hands made me lose sight of my reason for living, and i stopped doing anything. Its a typical pureblood situation"...
and Ouri had the same problem because Sara says to Takuma that he expected death since he had become tired of this life.
and when they are bored to death they enter slumber so that they can rest. Kaname had the same (sort of) reaction being too tired to go on, even though as it is depicted at the manga, Kaname lost abrupty his reason for living...
You know what; … isn’t it like they set an inner alarm for their awakening?
From Kaien’s words to Isaya that he knew that it was about his time to wake up … doesn’t seem like the PBs can control this function?
Also Hanadagi’s guard says that her master had planned to sleep for another 500 years … seems like a pattern to me.
Note though that Kaname says different >>
Kaname: “I decided to enter a slumber I had no intention of EVER waking from.”
So, I do not know if their slumber is necessarily an indication for a death wish … if so, then why to set a certain period of slumber? Why Kaname says otherwise?
Thus I think that yes, due to their longevity they worn out and they need slumber from time to time, but not necessarily death.
On the other hand though … I do not know what it means if their slumber is abruptly and violently stopped …?
I wonder if Ruka and Kain investigated the castle to see how much interest Hanadagi had in the common life...according to Sara's words and also according to what we see from being in slumber Hanadagi had lost also his interested in living...so Kaname might be expecting a hit there just by knowing that Sara would use an easy target there as she did with Ouri> he saw the pattern...
Hmm… actually I have the opposite opinion … as I said above I find Hanadagi not at all an easy target for Sara and I’m basing my estimation on Hanadagi’s icy shield.
Sara had to set a stage in Kaname’s ball –with so many hunters around – in order to kill Ouri and take his powers which would “unlock” Hanadagi’s castle.
Even Hanadagi himself was stunned from Sara’s achievement.
As I see it, I think she had put herself into too much trouble and risk there lol. Except IF every PB has a shield around its castle and for Sara was easier to destroy Hanadagi’s due to her relation with Ouri whose powers were the key. But we do not have any indication for that … in fact we didn’t see any shield around the Kurans mansion or Isaya’s for example.
Plus all those panels where is depicted Hanadagi’s castle are giving me the vibe that Hana’s case hides more … too much screen-time and implications from his death, if you ask me, for being just a simple PB >> Kaname sets his plan in motion with Hanadagi’s case …
Also … personally judging from Hanadagi’s reaction after his awakening I don’t get the feeling that he was a peaceful PB who had no interest in life. Also why he had planned to wake up after 500 years?
And Yuuki's idea as a reaper seems to come after reflecting that the purebloods who have lost their will to live, suffer and in their effort to escape eternal life, they can use innocents, therefore she volunteers.
Actually I always have been wondered about the purpose/importance of this scene … was it just to indicate Yuuki’s naivety and where this could have led her; or was just a prelude thus we cannot estimate how have influenced the development?
Anyway … yes Yuuki, influenced from Ouri’s supposedly suicide and Kaname’s narration about PBs’ view of life came up with that idea. But note what Isaya says to her >>
Isaya: “What you’re trying to do will seem meaningless and foolhardy to most …
You do realize … you risk being the one having your head cut off here?”
Isaya’s words for me seem a warning to Yuuki and if so then his words giving a picture that not so many PBs would accept Yuuki’s services lol.
However I agree with this>>
Despite though her good intentions look at Touma's words;
" The stage is finally getting set for a bloody scene that is much more to my liking. So you get it now? Don't hamper my enjoyment of watching the drama unfold".
I think that now we can better interpret his words. So what is actually confessing but his own agreement with Sara’s side?
Yes … Touma seems like he waiting for this bloody scene which actually had started with Ouri’s death
<< and I cannot not to notice > why Touma is speaking about a bloody stage since the official and known explanation for Ouri’s death was suicide
and not a murder! ????
Also another question that pops out from what Touma says is how can Yuuki’s so peaceful suggestion interfere with Touma’s enjoyment? How could she ever cause damage?Was anyone there that Touma knew that was likely to accept her suggestion and had to stop her from providing the peaceful solution?
So in orther words Yuuki’s solution would put an end at the pieces that Sara needed to use in order to create all the conditions for her stage? Isn’t that what actually Touma says to her?
And if Yuuki had provided a solution then Sara could not place the blame on Kaname for the killings, neither create all of this conflict, so Yuuki had to be removed from that stage according to Touma’s speech.
Well Touma wanted also to provoke Kaname because he also says to Kaname; "“ a direct attack on the castle is a tantamount to a declaration of war. Don’t tell me the young leader doesn’t know?” , of course he does LOL
But his line to Yuuki according IMO betrays all of his intentions; can Yuuki's plan that was so suddenly canceled to hold a greater gravity than the one that we have placed so far? Only speaking my thoughts here.
Hmm… could it be so simple? If Yuuki’s services actually could have had found so many clients lol I think that VK world wouldn’t be so bloody and violent … I mean if the PBs who are the biggest root for all this bloodshed were so “peaceful” that actually would accept gladly Yuuki’s offer then from were it stems all this violence or Kaname’s dreadful fears?
Thus my interpretation of Touma’s words and action to wound her was to threaten/scared her but not cuz of her reaper service but for what this move of hers signified > her pacifism … an ideal which would bring her sooner or later against this bloody scene which just have had set in motion > Sara.
In Touma’s eyes Yuuki was a representative of the Kurans and her action to grab her Artemis in order to take a few lives BUT saving and protecting more, confirms to him, for another time, that the Kurans are the obstacle to their likes ---> blood, humans like meals, violence and dominance.
Actually my opinion is that Yuuki’s idea was so foolish that even if she had found some clients … who they would be? A PB who would have accepted such offer wouldn’t be a peaceful one? Like Isaya for example? Or like Ouri who as far as we know he lived peacefully thus according to Sara had lost any will to go on living?
So who she would have ended up killing?
It’s like what Sara is doing with her tablets > the users are probably the vampires who were pro coexistence like the NC.
Also from Hanadagi’s case … his high protection, his guard desperate volition to revenge for her master’s death … or from Hio’s reaction to Kaname’s attack I do not get the feeling that the PBs who even were in slumber, were willing to lose their lives so easily.
Therefore my interpretation is that what Touma did or what Sara is doing are provocations to the Kurans ideals > it was a declaration of “war” or at least of an opposition to the new condition that had started to re-establish > Kaname the leader > Yuuki’s pacifism > new treaty for coexistence >>> i.e. the party was over!
Look what Isaya says to Yuuki >> “Why you won’t choose to do nothing?”
Would she? I don’t think so … thus I said above that Yuuki’s reaper services could be just a prelude lol.
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