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    What do you think will happen in vampire knight chapter 81?

    Post by lililovelilica on Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:40 am

    After a lot of thinking i've decided to open this topic with this question?
    1-what's gonna happen in the 80 chapter?
    2-What is Kaname's planning to do?
    3-Why the sudden change of Zero on turning into Sara's side?
    4-Yuuki's really going to demand some answers from kaname?
    5-Takuma's serious about Sara and about fighting against Kaname?

    You don't need to answer them all,but i would like to hear your oppinions about the next chapter of Vampire Knight
    ps:What do you think it'll really happen?
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    Re: What do you think will happen in vampire knight chapter 81?

    Post by Youweremysafeplace* on Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:59 am

    lililovelilica wrote:After a lot of thinking i've decided to open this topic with this question?
    1-what's gonna happen in the 80 chapter?
    2-What is Kaname's planning to do?
    3-Why the sudden change of Zero on turning into Sara's side?
    4-Yuuki's really going to demand some answers from kaname?
    5-Takuma's serious about Sara and about fighting against Kaname?

    You don't need to answer them all,but i would like to hear your oppinions about the next chapter of Vampire Knight
    ps:What do you think it'll really happen?
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    Well in my opinion, i do not think yuki will be able to demand answers from Kaname. I think Kaname would just say just few words to her and disappear. Or maybe just maybe do some damage to her to prevent her from fallowing him. But I doubt that would ever happen. Then the thing with Zero, I think hes not fully on Sara's side. I think he only joined her because she said that she would help him with revenge (against Kaname im sure). And if she never said that Zero would never really be involved with her. And two because Yuki told Zero to protect her and I know if Yuki calls for Zero he would drop everything and run to her and just leave Sara.
    Im not truly sure of Kanames plans. Im still a little lost with it.
    With Takuma and Sara. Yes I believe he is in love with her.. maybe. And I think he will fight against Kaname.Maybe because he does actually loves her. Or maybe he knows more of Kanames plans then he says so far. Maybe. And also maybe he truly doesn't want to but is being controlled some what. Because as you can see Sara has the power to make people do what she wants so, just imagine how it is when vampires drink her blood..
    Well that's all I can say for my opinion to your questions so far. Hoped it help a little. cheers
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    Re: What do you think will happen in vampire knight chapter 81?

    Post by VampireCythia on Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:24 pm

    Okay I don´t think Zero is on Sara´s side...

    Yuuki said: I’ll go and track down Kaname’s scent, and you go to protect Sara…now. Is this alright for you? It’s OK, I won’t be like how I was just now, I can do this.

    Yuuki says that she want him to go to Sara.

    And when he hold out the had Yuuki gribbed earlier and say "We have a deal"
    It´s not only to Sara it as well symbolic showing he chose to side with Yuuki.
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    Re: What do you think will happen in vampire knight chapter 81?

    Post by mariangie on Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:44 pm

    For bad or worse . Zero is now on Sara's side . Most probably this is temporary . Last scene from chapter 80 is Zero agreement to help Sara .

    Maybe Yuuki will tell Kaname at chap. 81 if he is killingg all purebloods to try to kill her instead . Of course Kaname will not do that.
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    Re: What do you think will happen in vampire knight chapter 81?

    Post by VampireCythia on Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:09 am

    mariangie wrote:For bad or worse . Zero is now on Sara's side . Most probably this is temporary . Last scene from chapter 80 is Zero agreement to help Sara .

    Maybe Yuuki will tell Kaname at chap. 81 if he is killingg all purebloods to try to kill her instead . Of course Kaname will not do that.

    As I said in my last post, Yuuki asked him to protect Sara. He was thinking about what she said while saying "We have a deal" If you don´t look closely you can misunderstand it, like he is saying that to Sara. But if you look closely enough it´s the same hand Yuuki grabs him in. It symbolize his and Yuuki´s agreement. Meaning Zero is now on Yuuki´s side. I actually think he´d forseen that Yuuki would ask him to protect Shirabuki Sara. Thats why he´d in someway accepted Sara´s ask. Thats why he said he would not let Yuuki do something to her.

    And why is Zero suddenly the bad guy? I´m actually pretty amused. Here goes Kaname around killing Purebloods and has killed (His friend/Right hand man) Aidou´s farther and betrayed Aidou´s trust. Which was pretty bad it self. But if it were another character, the character would had gotten a thoursand haters by now.

    Why does Kaname gains this free pass? Shizuka got hated just as she came into the story. the same with Rido and Sara. And Zero...just as he says he´ll not let Yuuki touch Sara. Then people declare he is on Sara´s side. And he is evil now... Can I see something unfair here?

    Check this list of crimes of the former villains, Sara and Kaname: http://justimeter.tumblr.com/post/17083301000/vk-soapbox-vol-01-how-is-kaname-not-a-villain

    Kaname´s list of crimes is bigger than any character or villain...So why can´t he be a villain? So why can´t he be the antagonist? Hmm? Zero is bad but Kaname is not? Something is wrong here...hmm...

    and yeah...some claims he does all this for Yuuki...But that would ruin his character for good. Can he does this for person that dosen´t want this to happen? And when he said himself that it was something he decided before he decided to be with her?

    I made my choice to only stay once with you. However I´m going to fullfil my orginal plans... (I mean there was a quote more but can´t remember what quote...too sleepy to continue...)

    Whatever that happens in future chapter it´s gonna be large surprise for us all...for Hino to clear up all this in around 20 chapters...hmm...[b]
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    Re: What do you think will happen in vampire knight chapter 81?

    Post by mariangie on Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:34 am

    I had not said Zero is the bad guy . He isn't and probably he will never be .

    A curious thing about V. K. is not everything is black and white . Most characters are a shade of gray . So even a good - natured character as Zero can make some mistakes that put him into the gray / black area occasionally .

    I know this is difficult to accept . Zero is now at Sara's side . Most probably temporary . This do not made Zero a bad guy . Only a guy who wants to get his revenge no matter the means . Sara is giving him the tools for getting Zero his purpose . Even if Zero hates purebloods . His hate for Kaname is worse than his hate for Sara . This will make Zero be at Sara's side for the time being . Only until Zero will know he finished Kaname for good . Basically a " the enemy of my enemy is my friend " agreement .

    The part about Yuuki telling Zero to help Sara . Remember Yuuki did tell Sara she will protect her from Kaname the time she is under the Cross Academy Night Dorm roof . But for Yuuki to seek Kaname , she can't keep watch over Sara all time . Zero is watching Yuuki under Hunter's orders . Yuuki needs Zero to let his vigilance over her for her to go after Kaname . Also Yuuki had to notice the Cross Academy wasn't safe to keep Sara . And the safest place now has to be the Vampire Hunter's Headquarters ( vampire entrance proof ) So her best bet was to ask Zero to keep alive / protect Sara . She can't enter the Hunter's Headquarters free ; Zero can .


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    About Sara going to the Vampire Hunters' Headquarters . It will be funny if she saw Hanadagi's bodyguard and make some stupid remark about " her doll escaping to end in the same place as her " . And Touma commenting about Sara being the newest refugee from Kaname's wraith .
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    Re: What do you think will happen in vampire knight chapter 81?

    Post by juliet on Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:14 am

    Check this list of crimes of the former villains, Sara and Kaname: http://justimeter.tumblr.com/post/17083301000/vk-soapbox-vol-01-how-is-kaname-not-a-villain

    in all of the list that you exampled to us (nothing with the poster) but the argumentative phase is just so wrong;
    under this light;

    Zero also ate his brother
    killed Rido/
    shot Shizuka and half killed her
    attacked Yuuki as a vampire multiple times
    lied about his condition risking all students to save himself
    drunk Kaname's blood to sustain himself and said nothing about it
    attempted to kill Yuuki
    tried to kill Kaname twice without any excuse
    lied now to Kaien about the tablets
    threatened all the time to kill purebloods, supported Kaname's attempt to kill all purebloods (the one depicted as a villain here) and was fine with that...

    so what are you talking about or trying to prove with that list?

    there were actions such as Killing Shizuka, Rido, the council which were a necessity such as much as Cross killing the corrupted president of the hunter association. I guess that if others have a plot to kill you and kill the ones that you love and you defend their rights, you are becoming a villain? that's the logic that the list follows and much worsen than this i could say.


    And when he hold out the had Yuuki gribbed earlier and say "We have a deal"
    It´s not only to Sara it as well symbolic showing he chose to side with Yuuki.


    to side with Yuuki at what? because not even Yuuki does not know what to do or how to act> I think that's clear, plus the fact that he should now try and protect Sara from an attempt of being killed from Kaname, gives no guarantee that Zero won't seek his own revenge in the future, collaborating Sara in her corrupted plan to dominate the world....for now protecting Sara is so convenient for him because that's what he wanted...so siding with Yuuki in what? perhaps its the other way around and Yuuki is temporarily siding with him because there are threatening conditions for Sara>
    but won't Sara give any report for her actions? won't she need to excuse herself for changing the tablets and turning a night-class of nobles into wild beasts that could blow the academy at the air? isn't that against Yuuki and the peace treaty? so siding with Yuuki in what? in Sara's attempts to blow every attempt for a peaceful co-existence at the air?
    No, its only a permanent deal there under the current circumstances and do not take that and so literally because Zero of course wanted to buy time for Sara, Yuuki also needed to get rid of him to chase Kaname and seek answers. A compromise.






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    Re: What do you think will happen in vampire knight chapter 81?

    Post by Falc0n on Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:34 am

    thoughts on next chapters...


    The Hanadages guard will tell hunters what Sara did to her master. (but was she aware that Kaname gave him the finishing blow ? I guess not. b/c she asked Yuki for help)



    And I guess Zero might get some scolding for bringing Sara in.( I expect a nice slap from Yagari xD) Zero’s motives, loyalty to the hunter blood and his so called hatred for pb will be doubted. especially that he even covered her up
    by lying to Kaien about the culprit of the blood tablets.



    hmph, It annoys me that Zero’s hate for Kaname have become so great . And thanks to Kaname who confirmed Sara’s lies. Kaname understands Zero’s reactions so well and knows how to manipulate him. he expects him to side with Sara. In short, That’s what he wants him to do.

    Zero to Kaname “just like you, deciding things for me.. “




    Touma whom Kaname left on purpose for some unknown reason, I feel that Hino wouldn’t want either kaname or zero to dirty their hands by killing a child-looking pureblood xD, but have Sara (who’ll get killed eventually) devour him and promise she'll get him his revenge on Kaname.


    Sara will give her blood to Zero to finish Kaname. Thus helping him achieving his revenge and shielding herself in HA temporarily. that silly woman, even if Zero managed to kill Kaname, she will be next xD so what's the point ? just some game to pass time ??





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    VampireCythia wrote:
    mariangie wrote:For bad or worse . Zero is now on Sara's side .


    And why is Zero suddenly the bad guy? I´m actually pretty amused.

    it was a misunderstanding on VampireCythia's part.

    mariangie described the situation, and not Zero's character ^^;
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    Re: What do you think will happen in vampire knight chapter 81?

    Post by mariangie on Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:37 pm

    Falc0n wrote:thoughts on next chapters...


    The Hanadages guard will tell hunters what Sara did to her master. (but was she aware that Kaname gave him the finishing blow ? I guess not. b/c she asked Yuki for help)



    And I guess Zero might get some scolding for bringing Sara in.( I expect a nice slap from Yagari xD) Zero’s motives, loyalty to the hunter blood and his so called hatred for pb will be doubted. especially that he even covered her up
    by lying to Kaien about the culprit of the blood tablets.



    hmph, It annoys me that Zero’s hate for Kaname have become so great . And thanks to Kaname who confirmed Sara’s lies. Kaname understands Zero’s reactions so well and knows how to manipulate him. he expects him to side with Sara. In short, That’s what he wants him to do.

    Zero to Kaname “just like you, deciding things for me.. “




    Touma whom Kaname left on purpose for some unknown reason, I feel that Hino wouldn’t want either kaname or zero to dirty their hands by killing a child-looking pureblood xD, but have Sara (who’ll get killed eventually) devour him and promise she'll get him his revenge on Kaname.


    Sara will give her blood to Zero to finish Kaname. Thus helping him achieving his revenge and shielding herself in HA temporarily. that silly woman, even if Zero managed to kill Kaname, she will be next xD so what's the point ? just some game to pass time ??



    I don't think Hanadagi's guardian knew about Kaname's involvement in Hanadagi's death . As Sara probably took her out with her spiders at the same time as her escape from the castle . Before Kaname killing Hanadagi .

    A scene in next chapter of an angry Yagari scolding Zero because he left his post ( his orders to watch over Yuuki 24 / 7 ) has a high probability to be seen . Also Cross saying Zero did the right thing to save the life of a pureblood .

    I suppose Sara offering her blood to Zero again has a very high probability of happening . But I expect Zero to refuse Sara's blood . But would be funny to see Zero drinking from Sara after all the fuss he made about hating purebloods .
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    Re: What do you think will happen in vampire knight chapter 81?

    Post by VampireCythia on Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:31 pm

    juliet wrote:
    Check this list of crimes of the former villains, Sara and Kaname: http://justimeter.tumblr.com/post/17083301000/vk-soapbox-vol-01-how-is-kaname-not-a-villain

    in all of the list that you exampled to us (nothing with the poster) but the argumentative phase is just so wrong;
    under this light;

    Zero also ate his brother
    killed Rido/
    shot Shizuka and half killed her
    attacked Yuuki as a vampire multiple times
    lied about his condition risking all students to save himself
    drunk Kaname's blood to sustain himself and said nothing about it
    attempted to kill Yuuki
    tried to kill Kaname twice without any excuse
    lied now to Kaien about the tablets
    threatened all the time to kill purebloods, supported Kaname's attempt to kill all purebloods (the one depicted as a villain here) and was fine with that...

    so what are you talking about or trying to prove with that list?

    there were actions such as Killing Shizuka, Rido, the council which were a necessity such as much as Cross killing the corrupted president of the hunter association. I guess that if others have a plot to kill you and kill the ones that you love and you defend their rights, you are becoming a villain? that's the logic that the list follows and much worsen than this i could say.


    And when he hold out the had Yuuki gribbed earlier and say "We have a deal"
    It´s not only to Sara it as well symbolic showing he chose to side with Yuuki.


    to side with Yuuki at what? because not even Yuuki does not know what to do or how to act> I think that's clear, plus the fact that he should now try and protect Sara from an attempt of being killed from Kaname, gives no guarantee that Zero won't seek his own revenge in the future, collaborating Sara in her corrupted plan to dominate the world....for now protecting Sara is so convenient for him because that's what he wanted...so siding with Yuuki in what? perhaps its the other way around and Yuuki is temporarily siding with him because there are threatening conditions for Sara>
    but won't Sara give any report for her actions? won't she need to excuse herself for changing the tablets and turning a night-class of nobles into wild beasts that could blow the academy at the air? isn't that against Yuuki and the peace treaty? so siding with Yuuki in what? in Sara's attempts to blow every attempt for a peaceful co-existence at the air?
    No, its only a permanent deal there under the current circumstances and do not take that and so literally because Zero of course wanted to buy time for Sara, Yuuki also needed to get rid of him to chase Kaname and seek answers. A compromise.

    Okay we know Zero well enough to know that if he want revenge he´ll just go to Kaname and fight him.(Which happen in 79) But Yuuk calmed him down. Or else he´d have been fighting him right now. Zero is the type kill first then ask later. Him thinking about evil plans? Okay sound ver OCC to me. Like if Kaname just suddenly dropped off his shirt or just suddenly behaved like the Chairman...

    Juliet I don´t want to say anything about the list...We´ll agree to disagree...

    And Mariangle I didn´t say that you said Zero was the bad guy. I just asked why Kaname always get free pass? It´s okay to say Zero is a villain but Kaname is not? Rido got hated, Shizuka got hated, Sara got hated, Yuuki have been called many bad things...(I once saw someone called her a "Slut") It seems to be Zero´s turn to take the blame...

    But Say something like Kaname is a villain and hundred fangirls will prepare to kick you out...
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    Post by juliet on Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:46 pm

    Okay we know Zero well enough to know that if he want revenge he´ll just go to Kaname and fight him.(Which happen in 79)

    in all cases it was his shadow Cynthia, that's why Yuuki runs to tell us that at the beginning of the chapter...thus Sara's proposal that she shall aid him to get a revenge> a real revenge from the "real" Kaname...

    as for OFC do not bet so much on this, I am saying that in a friendly note, Hino is making major twists here and Zero had said that he only wanted a legitimate excuse> now its even more than that, its personal.

    My personal estimation is that Hino has a twisted way to attribute balance among the two men; there is no Zero is innocent and Kaname is guilty or the reverse, you can see that from the first arc everything that Kaname did, Zero aided (and for his own reasons) and co-signed either with his silence or his actions.

    He helped him to kill both Shizuka and Rido and now declared that he also wanted kaname to kill all purebloods (as he always wished for that...)

    So my appreciation is that as long as the one steps in the dark zone, the other one shall follow.

    Juliet I don´t want to say anything about the list...We´ll agree to disagree..

    For the list, I think that its clear that if everything goes together in it, then apparently EVERYTHING has to go in there, not exempting but also not justifying. At least that would be fair...and wonderfully flat... rofl rofl rofl rofl no need to analyze anything. they are all for a boom explosive







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    VampireCythia wrote: Meaning Zero is now on Yuuki´s side. I actually think he´d forseen that Yuuki would ask him to protect Shirabuki Sara. Thats why he´d in someway accepted Sara´s ask. Thats why he said he would not let Yuuki do something to her.

    Personally if Zero is helping Sara just cos yuuki asked him i will be disappointed. Zero shouldn't revolve himself fully around Yuuki as then he isnt his own person he's bascially her lap dog. Zero's had a whole year following his own path being a hunter, i dont want this progress he has made ruined by him now reverting back to being at Yuukis beckon and call like arc one.

    I think Zero has his own reasons for assisting Sara. I wouldnt go as far to say he is on her side, as for zero actually doing that is against his character and nature really. There is something sara can give him or assist him with, or he could just want her in a position he can watch her closely from. In a way its like the whole i'll scratch your back so you scratch mine, its mutual benefit really. Doesnt mean they are on the same side as clearly they both stand as opposites in the bigger picture.

    But if it were another character, the character would had gotten a thoursand haters by now.

    I think you'll find Kaname does have haters. Go on any VK forum and they are there, just like any of the other characters, they all have their haters and lovers.

    Why does Kaname gains this free pass? Shizuka got hated just as she came into the story. the same with Rido and Sara. And Zero...just as he says he´ll not let Yuuki touch Sara. Then people declare he is on Sara´s side. And he is evil now... Can I see something unfair here?

    I actually thought alot of people pitied shizuka and her circumstances. So far with the previous villians we know the reasoning for their actions. So we can fully judge and make our own decision. With kaname we dont have his reasoning so we can't make a fully judgement to me. He's done wrong yes, killing should never be the answer really unless there is no other option, but we are yet to find his reasons. Then i think we can decide if we understand where he was coming from or not, like we did with shizuka and rido. I know a couple of people who felt sorry fro rido. They didnt like what he did but they understood where he was coming from due to the reasons behind his actions. I've always gone by the saying "forgive the person, but not the crime". With Kaname i'm for one waiting to hear his reasons before i decide.

    mariangie wrote:
    A curious thing about V. K. is not everything is black and white . Most characters are a shade of gray . So even a good - natured character as Zero can make some mistakes that put him into the gray / black area occasionally .

    I fully co-sign this!!! cheers cheers cheers Spot on mariangie, alot of the characters are a shade of gray in this manga.

    Falc0n wrote:And I guess Zero might get some scolding for bringing Sara in.( I expect a nice slap from Yagari xD) Zero’s motives, loyalty to the hunter blood and his so called hatred for pb will be doubted. especially that he even covered her up
    by lying to Kaien about the culprit of the blood tablets.

    rofl rofl I can't see Yagari being too impressed.

    hmph, It annoys me that Zero’s hate for Kaname have become so great . And thanks to Kaname who confirmed Sara’s lies. Kaname understands Zero’s reactions so well and knows how to manipulate him. he expects him to side with Sara. In short, That’s what he wants him to do.

    Zero to Kaname “just like you, deciding things for me.. “

    It seems Kaname did want to provoke Zero. Makes me wonder why he wants zero hating him so much? Is it just to make him the ultimate weapon against PB's? Or (and i hate myself for saying this) want Zero to maybe end his own life if Yuuki can't? affraid Just something i thought of. Dont hate me too much for saying this, i'm already beating myself for this comment.

    @On-topic: Next chapter i expect sara being brought to the HA, would be cruious if she interacts with touma, htough i hope the hunters are wise enough to keep them seperated.

    I also want to see rima. She went off a couple of chapters ago to find serni so i expect her to see him or learn of him being with sara and takuma soon.

    Maria will probably drop the hanadagi guard off at the HA. Will be curious to see what the hunters make of what the guard says. That should rouse more suspicion about sara.

    And the biggest thing next chapter hopefully (and finally) a Yume talk!!!!!!! :lovely:
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    Re: What do you think will happen in vampire knight chapter 81?

    Post by Howl4fun on Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:20 pm

    Cyth: Instead of calling Kaname a villain, it's more correct to call him an anti-villain, meaning a villain with heroic/noble goals. Granted we don't know for sure what his goal is yet, though most people assumes it's to make a safe world for Yuuki and/or humans. There's also "well-intentioned extremist".

    Definition:

    "A villain who has an overall goal which the heroes can appreciate in principle, but whose methods of pursuing said goal (such as mass murder) are problematic; despite any sympathy they may have with his cause, the heroes have no choice but to stop him. Taken to extremes, he may fully believe that Utopia Justifies the Means. Such an idealistic extremist is likely to be either a Totalitarian Utilitarian or a Principles Zealot, depending on whether he's aiming For Happiness or For Great Justice. The most well-written examples of this trope are the kind that the reader/viewer stops just short of agreeing with."


    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WellIntentionedExtremist

    Though the trope most fitting for Kaname is probably "Byronic hero". (A bit of a long post, sorry.)

    Definition:

    "The Byronic Hero is a type of character (an Anti-Hero, an Anti-Villain, or Just a Villain) popularized by the works of Lord Byron, whose protagonists often embodied this archetype, though they existed before him. Byronic Heroes are charismatic characters with strong passions and ideals, but who are nonetheless deeply flawed individuals who may act in ways which are socially reprehensible, and whose internal conflicts are heavily romanticized. Some of their attitudes and actions may be considered immoral, and their bad actions may be as numerous as those which are heroic, but never are they evil for evil's sake.

    Traits of a Byronic hero:

    •Are usually male and considered very attractive physically, possessing a great deal of charisma, sophistication, and intelligence, as well as emotional sensitivity, which may translate into moodiness.

    •Is intensely introspective and may be described as dark and brooding. He dwells on the pains or perceived injustices of his life, often to the point of over-indulgence. May muse philosophically on the circumstances that brought him to this point, including personal failings.

    •Is cynical and jaded, often due to a mysterious Dark and Troubled Past, which, if uncovered, will reveal a significant loss, or a crime or mistake committed which still haunts him.

    •He is extremely passionate, with strong personal beliefs which are usually in conflict with the values of the status quo. He sees his own values and passions as above or better than those of others, manifesting as arrogance or a martyr-like attitude.

    •His intense drive and determination to live out his philosophy without regard to others' philosophies produces conflict, and may result in a tragic end, should he fail, or revolution, should he succeed. This rebellion against the rules or values of the society he finds himself in, as well as a disrespect for rank/privilege, often leads to social isolation, rejection, or exile.

    Vampires are often written as this kind of character...

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ByronicHero


    With that said, if we're trying to look for innocent VK characters, closest we've got is probably Yori. XD

    (Sorry for being off topic, I just wanted to back Cyth a little.)
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    Re: What do you think will happen in vampire knight chapter 81?

    Post by Bloodredhead on Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:33 pm

    Howl4fun wrote:Cyth: Instead of calling Kaname a villain, it's more correct to call him an anti-villain, meaning a villain with heroic/noble goals. Granted we don't know for sure what his goal is yet, though most people assumes it's to make a safe world for Yuuki and/or humans. There's also "well-intentioned extremist".

    Definition:

    "A villain who has an overall goal which the heroes can appreciate in principle, but whose methods of pursuing said goal (such as mass murder) are problematic; despite any sympathy they may have with his cause, the heroes have no choice but to stop him. Taken to extremes, he may fully believe that Utopia Justifies the Means. Such an idealistic extremist is likely to be either a Totalitarian Utilitarian or a Principles Zealot, depending on whether he's aiming For Happiness or For Great Justice. The most well-written examples of this trope are the kind that the reader/viewer stops just short of agreeing with."


    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WellIntentionedExtremist

    Though the trope most fitting for Kaname is probably "Byronic hero". (A bit of a long post, sorry.)

    Definition:

    "The Byronic Hero is a type of character (an Anti-Hero, an Anti-Villain, or Just a Villain) popularized by the works of Lord Byron, whose protagonists often embodied this archetype, though they existed before him. Byronic Heroes are charismatic characters with strong passions and ideals, but who are nonetheless deeply flawed individuals who may act in ways which are socially reprehensible, and whose internal conflicts are heavily romanticized. Some of their attitudes and actions may be considered immoral, and their bad actions may be as numerous as those which are heroic, but never are they evil for evil's sake.

    Traits of a Byronic hero:

    •Are usually male and considered very attractive physically, possessing a great deal of charisma, sophistication, and intelligence, as well as emotional sensitivity, which may translate into moodiness.

    •Is intensely introspective and may be described as dark and brooding. He dwells on the pains or perceived injustices of his life, often to the point of over-indulgence. May muse philosophically on the circumstances that brought him to this point, including personal failings.

    •Is cynical and jaded, often due to a mysterious Dark and Troubled Past, which, if uncovered, will reveal a significant loss, or a crime or mistake committed which still haunts him.

    •He is extremely passionate, with strong personal beliefs which are usually in conflict with the values of the status quo. He sees his own values and passions as above or better than those of others, manifesting as arrogance or a martyr-like attitude.

    •His intense drive and determination to live out his philosophy without regard to others' philosophies produces conflict, and may result in a tragic end, should he fail, or revolution, should he succeed. This rebellion against the rules or values of the society he finds himself in, as well as a disrespect for rank/privilege, often leads to social isolation, rejection, or exile.

    Vampires are often written as this kind of character...

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ByronicHero


    With that said, if we're trying to look for innocent VK characters, closest we've got is probably Yori. XD

    (Sorry for being off topic, I just wanted to back Cyth a little.)

    This is very intersting. Thanks for sharing howl! (what else is on tvtropes may i ask? seems an interesting site.)

    I have to agree some of the points there make me think of Kaname due to certain cricumstances like the painful past, charaisma, certain crimes etc. Also makes me think of other vk characters with some points.
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    Re: What do you think will happen in vampire knight chapter 81?

    Post by Shoujo-Zo18 on Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:49 am

    Hmm... well chapter 80 was more predictable than I expected... I knew Kaname would confront Sara, Ichijou would protect her ( though this thought was more of a fangirly hope lol), Zero would chase after Kaname with or without Yuuki ( apparently it was without her), and that the day class students would have some sort of confrontation with vampires... ( though it didn't turn out bad like i thought it would.) so... leaving off where it did, i predict that Yuuki will confront Kaname and he'll either A. Blow her off and just disappear to continue his plans, B. Say something to make her hate him more, or C. Yuuki will literally, physically attempt to stop him from continuing his plans...

    and I predict that Kaien or other hunters might make an appearance since they didn't this chapter maybe? aand... Zero will act as if he is detaining sara & her harem... when actually he is protecting them...since this was their deal. ( might even see the hanadagi guard who's supposed to be there?)
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    Re: What do you think will happen in vampire knight chapter 81?

    Post by Gania on Sun Feb 26, 2012 6:38 pm

    well. I personally think the big story that'll comes up:

    1. Sara and Kaname has something to do with their past. I'm sure they're related somehow.
    2. Kaname and Zero made a deal secretly long ago, I think it against sara. And they did the deal to make Yuuki safe. Kaname promised to Haruka and Juuri. And for Zero, she is the only left purpose to life.
    3. Yuuki might be just gonna stand as the 'innocent sweet heroine'.
    4. Kaname 75% will die, cause he will sacrifice himself like Juuri did to make Yuuki forget about everything.
    5. Zero maybe will die too, i bet.
    6. If nobody die, that would be impossible. Shocked
    7. I'm still wondering why Rido woke Kaname up. Maybe to kill all the purebloods. Another thing that came up in my mind, past purebloods already planned everything for this kind of future.

    sorry this is just my opinion Surprised

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    Re: What do you think will happen in vampire knight chapter 81?

    Post by TheNoisyNeutron on Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:03 am


    Obviously, there will be the YuukixKaname confrontation, which will probably confuse us more (because let's face it, Kaname is just misleading all of us). I will be surprised if this is explained (and will make March the best month of the Year). Kaname will probably leave since Sara is now in the care of HA with the help of Zero (so no more target kill).

    Zero was already siding with Sara somewhat, and besides siding with Sara was kind of requested by Yuuki, and I'm sure Zero wants to just KILL Kaname. I can believe that Takuma's feelings for Sara are true, but somehow this just goes with Kaname being disliked by everyone now. Which is sad. :'(
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    Re: What do you think will happen in vampire knight chapter 81?

    Post by nina on Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:27 pm

    TheNoisyNeutron wrote:

    Zero was already siding with Sara somewhat, and besides siding with Sara was kind of requested by Yuuki, and I'm sure Zero wants to just KILL Kaname. I can believe that Takuma's feelings for Sara are true, but somehow this just goes with Kaname being disliked by everyone now. Which is sad. :'

    Zero had covered Sara already when Cross asked him about the source of the tablets. At that point Yuuki hadn't said anything to him ... on the contrary he said to her "I won't let you lay a finger on Sara" ... which means he wasn’t sure about Yuuki’s intentions for Sara. So the fact that later Yuuki told him to go an protect Sara for now isn't so related with Zero's proven intention to shield Sara for his own reasons in any case.

    Yuuki as the dorm leader and in fact responsible for the NC overall had already stated that she shall protect Sara from Kaname.
    Therefore even if currently Zero’s and Yuuki’s intentions coincide the fact remains that their motives for protecting Sara are quite different.





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    Re: What do you think will happen in vampire knight chapter 81?

    Post by aya-chan on Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:49 pm

    TheNoisyNeutron wrote:


    Zero was already siding with Sara somewhat, and besides siding with Sara was kind of requested by Yuuki, and I'm sure Zero wants to just KILL Kaname. I can believe that Takuma's feelings for Sara are true, but somehow this just goes with Kaname being disliked by everyone now. Which is sad. :'(

    No, is not.

    Before going find kaname yuuki said to zero to protect sara. when zero came to sara, she offered her help to revenge his parents death and zero agreed. no where in manga is mentioned yuuki's agreement for zero to side with sara in order for him to have revenge.

    Also yuuki mentioned before she would protect sara from kaname, but in the same story she said she would stop sara, and this is not involve killing.

    @nina
    Agreed with you. zero decided to side with sara due to personal reasons.
    I am worried about his alliance with sara. I am aware he tries to use her in his benefits but with sara around exist disavantages too. who knows what he may do protecting sara, a vampire who doesn't value human life.
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    Re: What do you think will happen in vampire knight chapter 81?

    Post by lililovelilica on Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:02 am

    TheNoisyNeutron wrote:

    Obviously, there will be the YuukixKaname confrontation, which will probably confuse us more (because let's face it, Kaname is just misleading all of us). I will be surprised if this is explained (and will make March the best month of the Year). Kaname will probably leave since Sara is now in the care of HA with the help of Zero (so no more target kill).

    Zero was already siding with Sara somewhat, and besides siding with Sara was kind of requested by Yuuki, and I'm sure Zero wants to just KILL Kaname. I can believe that Takuma's feelings for Sara are true, but somehow this just goes with Kaname being disliked by everyone now. Which is sad. :'(
    Agreed^^but,let's face it:
    Kaname's kind of a confusing character right?
    I'm just sure of 3 things until now:
    1-Kaname wants to kill Sara as soon as possible to protect Yuuki and complete his plans!
    2-Zero wants to kill Kaname
    3-Takuma loves Sara but Sara's just using him,and getting more slaves.
    scratch
    this is getting strange in someway!
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    Re: What do you think will happen in vampire knight chapter 81?

    Post by Zero's Lost Cause~ on Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:08 pm

    Chapter 80 was more of a build up chapter full of holes tht will be filled later on. I think the death of Shirabuki will be soon, the hunter society cant protect a pureblood from another pureblood forever... a confrontation with Yuuki and Kaname..maybe Yuuki will give him a full lecture...imagining this i think it would be funny. It's like a sheep shouting at a wolf. almost.. no matter how much Yuuki tries i dont think she will be able to give off the same aura as Kaname..heh. ok back on topic XD
    um Ichijo will face Kaname with the help of probably Zero and Maria. Aido, Ruka, and Akatsuki will arrive on the scene of Zero and Kaname at each others neck for possibly the last time???

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