Meleas wrote: At this point Zero has no reason not to believe Kaname that he brought "misfortune" over his family.
Falc0n wrote: Zero didn't read the fanbook. and didn't read the manga. and of course the thought of Kaname wanting to ruin his own reputation wouldn't cross his mind either. he asked the said person a direct question to make sure, and the said person said yes I did it. and he asked why and the said person said his reason.
I’ll just take the above quotes as references to address overall my view for Zero’s actions and why I find his stance unjustified (note: actions, not emotions) .
Is it true that Zero most likely doesn’t know the whole truth about Shizuka’s incident (as for example that she escaped with her lover) and Kaname certainly didn’t cleared this up … on the contrary he presented the situation maybe even worse from what Sara already had told him.
Did Zero have a way to find out what really happened? No … I do not think so since Kaname refused to defend himself.
However did Zero have enough hints and even evidence into his hands to question the whole situation and DO NOT “trust” Sara; and certainly to not drink from her and becoming her tool/weapon at least by killing Kaname?
The answer is yes and here lies my reasoning for criticizing and being disappointed from Zero’s actions/decisions
and not so much by his emotions
which on a certain degree are justified.
Indications that Zero must have taken under consideration:
1. At the ball where Ouri and a hunter have been killed he smelt fresh blood on Sara and after he found out about what happened he should at least have been alarmed that Sara was a strong (if not the stronger) candidate of being the culprit of these two murders.
2. He knows about Sara’s harem and even if he and the rest of the hunters couldn’t do anything about it still her action is repulsive and especially for Zero considering his past.
3. He knew from long ago that Sara had set her eyes on him >> she told him in an arrogant way that she wished to become her puppy.
4. He saw with his own eyes what Sara’s tablets caused to the users and I think it is not difficult to imagine what this issue can bring …
5. Another evidence that should have stopped him and make him think twice at least, is Hanadagi’s guard testimony … She revealed Sara’s involvement … that it was Sara the one who attacked first at Hanadagi’s coffin and not Kaname.
Sara lied because when she rushed at the HA asking for shelter not only she didn’t keep quiet but she tried to frame Kaname for her own crimes…
And Kaname; what he did? He has taken upon him the responsibility of all the killings including Ouri’s!
Here what Zero told to Yuuki about Hanadagi>>
What I’m trying to say here is that if Zero WANTED to see the big picture and be really the master of himself he had the indications to do so … is right there in front of him to see that Sara and Kaname are lying but the BIG DIFFERENCE is that Sara’s lies are functioning for her own benefit absolving her from crimes that provenly has committed whereas Kaname’s lies are convicting him.
So I’m asking … a logically thinking person, who from the two liars should have been more wary of; the one who is convicting himself or the one who is playing the angel with obvious benefits?
It’s just simple logic that Zero is unable to show.
Does he have every right to hate Kaname for what he supposedly brought to him and to his family? Yes …
Does he entitle to act so emotionally NOW serving Sara’s objective by trying to kill Kaname NOW? For me certainly not; simply cuz he is acting so selfishly by putting his personal vendetta above the greater good … he just didn’t correspond to the expectations that his role as a main character demands.
It’s like Juliet said >>
There are greater interests played here and domination over people is one of them at least from Sara's camp, now Zero's personal story > Zero can not see that is a dot in the map. This is his issue and inability > it has nothing to do with him not really, he is just used. Given that fact his inability to see the wider picture makes him dangerous for himself and others. So i won't excuse him for attacking Kaname. Its like a blind attack where he can not see where the real war is, at least shoot in the right direction.
Perfectly said. I think this sum up the gist of why Zero is failing.
Note that I’m talking for the time being cuz I still believe that Zero can rise above all this and eventually to stand on the expected high. But currently he’s proven too “small” and maybe his “smallness” becomes more noticeable cuz he inevitably is compared with Kaname who sacrifices himself and his own happiness sealing and burying his own emotions for the greater good.
Falc0n wrote: Zero is still a suffering inexperienced teenager who needs yet to sort things out with himself and mature.
where Kaname is an adult ex-king who lived a millennium and had thousand years of wisdom plus the suffering.
So very true. Isn’t so fair for Zero to be compared with Kaname but I think is inevitable.
However I wasn’t expecting from Zero to stand on the same level as Kaname or be so levelheaded but what I was expecting from him is to show development from the teen who was consumed from his hatred to a young man who can control better his emotions and act more based on logic.
And here I shall compare him with Yuuki (it’s fairer for him) … Still while we see Yuuki’s maturation where is Zero’s? Where are the steps that he supposedly should have made forward from the bitter impulsive boy that we first met?
I cannot see any step and frankly I could say that he had done steps back with his recently actions.
Now what I don't understand is why Kaname lied to Zero about his responsibility of Zero's drama ?
I do believe Kaname is innocent. a good reason is to make himself look bad before Yuuki.
Zero heard the lie from Sara. and asked the suspect Kaname to make sure. and the suspect said yes and he put it in a way to manipulate Zero's feelings.
so instead fueling Zero's hatred and making him an enemy at the moment in his chess game with Sara.. and instead of wasting his precious time fighting Zero who now became a hindrance in front of killing Sara, why not tell the truth ??
Yes this is a very good question. We do not why but I’ll state only my assumption.
When I first saw Kaname’s stance there I thought that he was “targeting” Zero … that he wanted to fuel his hate for some reason. But now I think that his main goal was Yuuki there and not Zero.
I’m basing my assumption on Kaname’s later reaction regarding Zero’s choice to drink Sara’s blood (he wasn’t happy about it and as we saw certainly not because he was frighten of Zero’s power lol) and his stance in the battle where he tried to stop Zero. In other words it seems that he didn’t want Zero siding with Sara.
So I’m thinking … even if Kaname had denied that he was responsible for Zero’s drama does anyone believe that this would have made any difference for Zero at all?
Personally I’m absolutely sure that in the state that Zero was there and considering his character, wasn’t, not even a chance to change his mind. << This is something that I had said before even we see what stance Kaname would have had … when all we were wondering if Kaname will defend himself or confirm Sara’s sayings.
We all know Zero’s hatred for Kaname … he was waiting to kill the worst PB of all
for a long time now … he just needed an excuse and that excuse was offered from Sara. I just couldn’t believe that Zero would have let this long awaited chance to slip of his hands and maybe this was Kaname’s rationale as well.
Furthermore even his actions prior Kaname arrives at the Academy indicate that Zero had took his decisions the moment he heard Sara >>
1. He covered Sara’s involvement with the tabs to Cross.
2. He said to Yuuki that he won’t let her lay a hand on Sara.
3. He ignored gaily Hanadagi’s guard testimony.
Some fans supported that all of that it was just to gain time and search for info but I didn’t believe that neither for a second and as it proved I was right about it.
Zero didn’t seek for answers or info, but only for revenge, simply because what Sara told him about Kaname reinforced the fixed opinion that Zero had for Kaname long before. So as result he closed his eyes and ears to everything around him…
That’s why I’m thinking that even if Kaname had tried to present the truth it would have been pointless … so he chose to “use” the situation and Yuuki’s bond with Zero in order to achieve his other priority > to blacken himself in Yuuki’s eyes and make her to give up on him exploiting Zero’s emotional burst something that even Ruka used in her illusion as we saw.
In short the only thing that could have achieved by telling the truth would have been to reinforce Yuuki’s determination to follow him rather than change Zero’s mind and his decision to avenge.
He certainly should! Haha
However that baka Kaname doesn’t have eyes for any other woman but Yuuki *sigh* … bad news for Ruka, bad news for us too
I shall keep Yuuki occupied haha...
Good luck with that … I wouldn’t dare to confront Yuuki right now … no way! She demands her man back, so I wouldn’t mess with her hahaha.
@Chacile you nailed it!!! Co-sign every single word!