Ribbon07 wrote:Sometime these can be recognized wrongly are love. Do you think like me? Or else can you prove that it's love cause to me, I just can't see it. 83 chapters have run out and they're still the same.
Yuuki only want to talk to Zero like before, not confess anything to each other =.=
In chapter 79, When (not the real one!!) Kaname came, she scream in head: "My Kaname" and want to run to him despite of standing right next to Zero.
Chapter 83: Many Zeki fans expected Yuuki would worried for Zero (even he is so fine). But still, the person she care first is Kaname and then Ruka. Maybe she realized Zero was there after he knocking her head(I feel like that).
So tell me, where is love, really? Some sort of "Secret, Mystery Love"?
juliet wrote:Personal opinion...>
yes i think that Zeki is friendship...because by now we should have seen that Yuuki has more intense feelings for Zero, I shall put it in another way she should be stepping into proving her love to him but she is not...for me it lacks the passion and the underlying fire to convince me that yuuki is there mentally, body and soul
I agree with both of you!
One thing though, that many seem to forget or conveniently ignore
is that what Yuuki has said about Kaname in the recent chapters (which inevitably are reflecting her feelings for Zero too) have been said in one day or two top!
Viz from the moment she said “My Kaname” and blah blah blah until the moment she decides to cut her hair and capture him –even by hurting him- hasn’t passed more than a day.
The approach, that these deep and strong feelings can change in a blink of an eye and moreover Yuuki to turn to another guy romantically, is obliviously. An author would never destroy its plot and its heroine like that with such superficial approach.
Furthermore for me is apparent what Hino is doing, and she has used the same “method” for both Kaname and Yuuki.
Before she proceed with the difficult and thorny path for them she made sure to convey in a crystal clear way their true love feeling for each other >>
First with Kaname … before she place him at the academy where he had to say those hurtful words to Yuuki giving a show, she had shown us two scenes >>
A. His nightmare from which we can derive at least two conclusions:
1. That he was very upset and tense from what he was going to do next.
2. He licks her blood from the floor –a sign of how much he longs for her. (she even showed us a pic from Kaname, cuddling Yuuki’s nightgown
B. She repeated
the scene at the mausoleum where he is embracing her so tightly like there is no tomorrow … now we know why.
The exact same thing Hino did with Yuuki. Before the last chapter she conveyed her feelings for Kaname in an unanswerable way (My Kaname, you didn’t come here to take me away, I’m not giving up on you, if you want to leave me pierce my heart, give him back to me etc)
I think the similarities are very clear.
So all of these are there from Hino for no reason or for showing that her characters are so superficial that are changing their minds and feelings (note feelings that haven’t changed for 83 chapters) in a blink of an eye; OR cuz she wants to show that whatever and if they’ll do next –hurting each other- has nothing to do with their feelings but are fuelled from different reasons?
The dilemma is rhetorical… IMO Hino wants from us not to question their feelings –thus and she emphasized on them again recently- but what led these two lovers with such intense and deep feelings to this point.
Juliet wrote: my bad feeling is that Hino is using the Zeki carriage as a hook for many readers, i would prefer if she did not do it so because she drags expectations, she is leading one of the two ships in believing, which is not a very honest approach of the script....she is creating false expectations because she does not end it > the couple for me with the false expectations is Zeki because Hino built up a lot the yume background but in a mutual romantic sense that she did not do with Zeki... and in my opinion would not have gone into that if she did not intend to step on that element in order to have a basis that would hold what is happening now...if you get what i mean...
I couldn’t agree more … and I think the current phase is another example of that.
However this tactic is very common in shoujo and for someone who has read lots of them is easy to distinguish that Hino is doing the same thing even if this for many Yumes might be boring. The story is the love story of Kaname and Yuuki … Zero is the typical third wheel who is there to challenge and “test” their love, among other things ofc, cuz in the 2nd arc at least so far I haven’t seen Zero as Kaname’s rival in romance.
Thus I’m coming to the main question of the thread … For all the above reasons and many more lol yes for me too Yuuki and Zero’s relationship is a friendship or a brotherly affection, at least from Yuuki’s end, even though I’m not sure for Zero’s romantic feelings either, especially in the 2nd arc (even if are there for my tastes are lacking sparkles lol)… always was and I haven’t seen anything to change my opinion about it thus far.
Many are relating Yume’s developments with Zeki supposedly potentiality. IMO this isn’t right, if not for anything else simply cuz as the story is written thus far
this downgrades the hypothetical Zeki pair and both characters as well, stealing its shine… its independency.
Given the recent developments, Yuuki supposedly will choose Zero cuz Kaname abandoned her; thus Zero is automatically a second compulsory choice.
I.e. Zeki potentiality isn’t self-luminous but a satellite of Yume … no even worse, is a satellite of Kaname’s actions, not even Yuuki’s (!!!) because he is the one who would make this happen, IF ever which I do not believe anyway
IMO this isn’t the way to portrait the main pair which supposedly will be the end game … at least the heroine should have authentic feelings for the man of her choice and not being led there as last resort << this is pathetic.
Juliet wrote: she can not make Yuuki suddenly choose over Zero because Zero is not an option...if he is where is this option? how it has been developped and how has it been supported through emotional development and escalation in the last chapters? if this is to happen, NOW, without an emotional background that could backup the character's free decisions that would not be bad writing that would be unbelievable...and a first in writing...
Yup yup, I second that!
In short if Hino wanted to develop Zeki romance first she wouldn’t have showed Yuuki and Kaname’s feelings in such emphatic way (and not only … there are many elements which are making Yume almost irreversible for a shoujo
that I’m not gonna analyze here) and second she should have showed the Zeki romance OR Yuuki’s choice == Zero prior the current development something that she didn’t, which for me means that Yuuki and Zero are still deemed as childhood friends.
That’s why in my POV at least the only that matters and will be decisive for the status of both relationships in the end will be Yuuki’s true feelings … i.e. who she loves romantically and not out of necessity, or pity or obligation blah blah. Therefore as long as Yuuki is showing her love for Kaname (and no sign of romance towards Zero) I cannot see any change from the current status quo >> Yume == lovers, Yuuki and Zero == friends, allies etc. << this was the backbone of the story and Hino’s choice so far hence I believe it will be till the end.
Ps. This is my estimation I repeat … obviously I’m not the writer