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    Hooded Woman and her role to VK...

    Post by juliet on Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:26 pm

    The ancestor > what do you believe about her role and her history...

    Are there hints that she could have been the mother of the Kuran lineage?

    What was her relationship to Kaname and how did she die since purebloods are immortal?

    Does it really matter if Kaname and she were lovers at the past for the continuation of VK ten thousand years after?

    Could Kaname be attached to her?

    And does she really have a resemblance to Zero? (LOL)

    We never had a topic to talk straight about her and her role in VK...so i guess if anyone wants to write about her, here is the thread to add questions and views.







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    Post by Shoujo-Zo18 on Tue Aug 14, 2012 7:01 pm

    juliet wrote:The ancestor > what do you believe about her role and her history...

    Are there hints that she could have been the mother of the Kuran lineage?

    What was her relationship to Kaname and how did she die since purebloods are immortal?

    Does it really matter if Kaname and she were lovers at the past for the continuation of VK ten thousand years after?

    Could Kaname be attached to her?

    And does she really have a resemblance to Zero? (LOL)

    We never had a topic to talk straight about her and her role in VK...so i guess if anyone wants to write about her, here is the thread to add questions and views.


    I think that Kaname did love her, because she was so caring towards him after he had been alone for many years... she took him under her wing you could say. To me it seems as though she acted as a mother to him.. or a big sister, and Kaname was the one in love... It seemed as though she was the one to drag him out of his despair. I'm not sure if they were lovers since there was only one scene of them kissing, a goodbye kiss, but I do believe she cared alot for him, and that Kaname was in love with her. Almost like the relationship with Shizuka & Ichiru you could say... I think this is why Kaname is working so strongly to achieve her goal.. because he loved her...and he didn't want her death, or his resurrection to be in vain. It's like... he couldn't live on with the guilt if he didn't try to achieve her goal. But as Yuuki stated, Kaname may have misunderstood her goal... because she did not actually say that she wanted all of the purebloods dead. Even if they were lovers though, I don't think it's possible that she was the "Kuran Mother" because there were no children shown before she parted with Kaname... unless someone broke her open after she died and found a baby but I highly doubt that. >.< But i'm also led to think that it had to have been her, because shortly after her death is when Kaname went into his slumber right? Did he have time to become attached to anyone else, or be completely over her? I don't think so. Unless we see more of their past together it's hard to say... This is my opinion on it ^^; But I really do want to see a chapter devoted to the past of the Ancesstress and Kaname... let's hope for it soon? ^^
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    Re: Hooded Woman and her role to VK...

    Post by aya-chan on Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:00 pm

    how did she die since purebloods are immortal?

    From what I could understand from the scans, first she ripped her heart from her chest and later she gave her blood to the first hunters. I guess that having no heart, and suffering from blood lost, she lost her abilities to regenerate, and eventually died.

    Does it really matter if Kaname and she were lovers at the past for the continuation of VK ten thousand years after?

    If they were lovers (i doubt it) or not it pays no matter since kaname's only girl is yuuki.

    Could Kaname be attached to her?

    I think kaname will always think dearly of her - she was an important person to him - but to say attachment now I will say that it's too much.

    And does she really have a resemblance to Zero? (LOL)

    by ressemblance you mean to him she's some sort of distance relative, i will say no. if you mean by drawing, then maybe she ressemble zero a little. but who doesn't ressemble with who in the story? give isaya some spectacles, caught his hair in a low ponytail and wear clothes with too many layers and he wil be a perfect replica of cross. it's only about hino's drawing style, where most of the chara ressemble each other.
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    Post by juliet on Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:38 pm

    but who doesn't ressemble with who in the story? give isaya some spectacles, caught his hair in a low ponytail and wear clothes with too many layers and he wil be a perfect replica of cross. it's only about hino's drawing style, where most of the chara ressemble each other.

    yes Aya, i think that you are right to that...LOL






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    Re: Hooded Woman and her role to VK...

    Post by mariangie on Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:24 am

    juliet wrote:
    but who doesn't ressemble with who in the story? give isaya some spectacles, caught his hair in a low ponytail and wear clothes with too many layers and he wil be a perfect replica of cross. it's only about hino's drawing style, where most of the chara ressemble each other.

    yes Aya, i think that you are right to that...LOL

    It's possible the resembrances are only related to the style of drawing of the mangaka .

    But there is actually the possibility of Kaien Cross being related to Isaya Shouto . So their similarities could be planned .

    In the case Zero with HW . The reason could be as hunters carry some genes from HW after drinking / devoured her . The same hunters who most probably marry between their own group . Sharing a lot of the same genes . It's possible for Zero to have inherited some of the genes related to the looks of HW . Kind of a long , long , long descendant of HW So far related to be considered family . But physically similar .
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    Re: Hooded Woman and her role to VK...

    Post by juliet on Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:07 pm

    But i'm also led to think that it had to have been her, because shortly after her death is when Kaname went into his slumber right? Did he have time to become attached to anyone else, or be completely over her? I don't think so.

    This is from volume 14, official translation;

    Our numbers decreased one by one....Those remaining would want to start a family with those whom they could share the same path. And just when our existence had all but disappeared from the face of human history...I was the last remaining progenitor. This journey was too long for us all. My heart had withered away long ago...and so i chose to sleep for eternity.

    The overall impression is that Kaname went to slumber after a long time because he refers to certain things that do need time to occur such as

    1. the disappearance of all progenirors > he clearly states that he is the last progenitor left
    2. the fact that the vampires existence disappeared from the face of history

    Especially for the last event to have occurred a great period of time must have passed...how is a total race forgotten from history? It also shows that a tranquil period (the Kurans monarchy perhaps?) must have occured since there were no revolutions or events that would remind humans of the vampire's existence.

    Then it's what Kaname says that his heart had withered a long time ago...but he had kids when he went to slumber or else the lineage could not have been continued. There is this hint there with the remaining purebloods creating families > perhaps that's the point when Kaname created his own. But even so would he now be remembering the ancestor or the wife that it seems that he lost?

    The same hunters who most probably marry between their own group . Sharing a lot of the same genes . It's possible for Zero to have inherited some of the genes related to the looks of HW . Kind of a long , long , long descendant of HW So far related to be considered family . But physically similar .

    This is true; two hunters have to marry each other another for the hunters lineage to continue. So all the hunters are descendants of the very first humans that took the HW's blood.







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    Post by ButterflyWingsx on Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:15 pm

    juliet wrote:1. the disappearance of all progenirors > he clearly states that he is the last progenitor left
    2. the fact that the vampires existence disappeared from the face of history

    I wonder why all the originals disappeared except for Kaname. I'm guessing they died but then why did Kaname choose to slumber? Was it because his wife died? Hino has a lot of explaining to do.
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    Post by Shoujo-Zo18 on Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:44 am

    juliet wrote:
    But i'm also led to think that it had to have been her, because shortly after her death is when Kaname went into his slumber right? Did he have time to become attached to anyone else, or be completely over her? I don't think so.

    This is from volume 14, official translation;

    Our numbers decreased one by one....Those remaining would want to start a family with those whom they could share the same path. And just when our existence had all but disappeared from the face of human history...I was the last remaining progenitor. This journey was too long for us all. My heart had withered away long ago...and so i chose to sleep for eternity.

    The overall impression is that Kaname went to slumber after a long time because he refers to certain things that do need time to occur such as

    1. the disappearance of all progenirors > he clearly states that he is the last progenitor left
    2. the fact that the vampires existence disappeared from the face of history

    Especially for the last event to have occurred a great period of time must have passed...how is a total race forgotten from history? It also shows that a tranquil period (the Kurans monarchy perhaps?) must have occured since there were no revolutions or events that would remind humans of the vampire's existence.

    Then it's what Kaname says that his heart had withered a long time ago...but he had kids when he went to slumber or else the lineage could not have been continued. There is this hint there with the remaining purebloods creating families > perhaps that's the point when Kaname created his own. But even so would he now be remembering the ancestor or the wife that it seems that he lost?


    Ohh I see. I Couldn't exactly remember if it was right after the HW's death he went into his slumber or some time after that... I guess it was after, my bad ^^; So, if he said they had all but disappeared from the face of human history... it doesn't necessarily mean that all vampires disappeared (humans just didn't know about them), but the progenitors did... and he did say that everyone wanted to start up families.. I guess you're right, that's probably around the time he may have started a family, and he was probably king because of being the last progenitor. ( Which makes me wonder.... where did the name Kuran come from if the name "Kaname" was given to him? Did he just make it up? lol ) Btw I think the reason that they disappeared from human history is because the wars died down? Your last thought crossed my mind too.... if he really did create a family after the death of the Ancesstress, then why is it only her that appears in his memories? And would he go into a slumber if he had a loving family by his side? It's all very confusing... I think it's fishy that he only remembers the HW if he had a family.... I think he would only go into a slumber if he was alone and there was nothing left for him. Here's a crazy theory... do you remember how Kaname gave his blood to the villagers to heal them? Well, what if it were possible that one of those humans who had Kaname's blood, gave birth to the first "Kurans" and Kaname is not actually related to them, though the resemblance is clear because of his blood. The HW did say that her parents were human... So back then, what if it were still possible for humans to give birth to vampires, and there were actually twins, the first Kurans?
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    Post by Dragonsrose15 on Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:48 am

    Her role so far has been significant in the way that all vampire hunters owe her a great deal. She sacrificed her life so that hunters could have weapons and the ability to hunt vampires. As of chapter 84, I'm not sure what Hino intends to do with her. She made it seem like the metal still has a life of its own still; however, it cold also be Kaname controlling the metal, so we'll see. Either way, she is a major character because she not only helped shape the existence of vampire hunters, she also gave Kaname his name and presumably was his first love.
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    Post by juliet on Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:05 pm

    Is she still the same person? Isn't so disappointing that she turned out to be the "evil" spirit of VK?

    Isn't like she is betraying her own race since she wants all purebloods dead? I can not see any positive from her wishes.

    Is a blackmail isn't it? Kill them all or I shall do it?

    can't find possible explanations for that wish...






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    Post by Rima echo on Thu Sep 06, 2012 11:59 pm

    The HW's will with eliminating "dark" purebloods has literally become dark. Not only did she try to hit Yuki with her metal, but perhaps her restless spirit grew anxious when chaos erupted at the the Association. She knew she couldn't die until she'd accomplished her goal, but was as seen as a monster by Sara and rampaging by Yuki. I still think the HW kicks ass!! Sara's especially.
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    Re: Hooded Woman and her role to VK...

    Post by nina on Fri Sep 07, 2012 7:33 pm

    About the HW I still have not form a concrete opinion … I’m a bit divided about her role.
    On one hand the apocalypse of her real intentions plus her attack on Yuuki –or to be precise … her blind attack to every PB since as Zero pointed out her targets were the PBs and the weapons- it was a surprising twist I think for the majority of us and I cannot see it in a positive way. For me she was clearly wrong, posing a threat indiscriminately like a dark or mad spirit.
    Additionally now is clearer from where it was stemming all this hatred from the hunters towards all the vampires … it was her spirit/blood which whispering constantly on them eager for more blood something that IMO had became a great hindrance for the concept of co-existence. Under this light I’m glad that her spirit is gone.

    On the other hand though I cannot turn a blind eye to her contribution … because regardless if her goal was from the very beginning the extermination of all PBs or it was twisted with the flow of time, still her sacrifice saved the human race from extinction. Hence this is something that we should take under consideration.

    Another factor which IMO plays an important role for a valid estimation about her role is Hino’s view for the final resolution i.e. how is she envision the true co-existence; does she plan a future without PBs; or her resolution includes them too?
    Personally I cannot agree with a co-existence which will be build upon the annihilation of a race … I’m ideologically and profoundly against this notion cuz a true and successful co-existence means that there must be someway for all the races to be represented in the next brighter day.
    However and regardless my views if the author choose otherwise, conveying the message that only without the PBs the co-existence can bloom thus their extinction was a necessity then HW’s will takes a different, more positive light since her aiming was towards the “right” or if you like the only direction.





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    Post by juliet on Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:11 am

    On the other hand though I cannot turn a blind eye to her contribution … because regardless if her goal was from the very beginning the extermination of all PBs or it was twisted with the flow of time, still her sacrifice saved the human race from extinction. Hence this is something that we should take under consideration.

    Ηe, he, HW against mother nature Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Evil or Very Mad

    Another factor which IMO plays an important role for a valid estimation about her role is Hino’s view for the final resolution i.e. how is she envision the true co-existence; does she plan a future without PBs; or her resolution includes them too?

    it was her spirit/blood which whispering constantly on them eager for more blood something that IMO had became a great hindrance for the concept of co-existence. Under this light I’m glad that her spirit is gone.

    Hino's vision for co-existence if she has decided to exterminate there HW is a future without HW..LOL rofl rofl rofl

    Personally I cannot agree with a co-existence which will be build upon the annihilation of a race … I’m ideologically and profoundly against this notion cuz a true and successful co-existence means that there must be someway for all the races to be represented in the next brighter day.

    yes seriously now i am against it also and apparently against Kaname's plan if that includes the killing of all purebloods in there.

    However and regardless my views if the author choose otherwise, conveying the message that only without the PBs the co-existence can bloom thus their extinction was a necessity then HW’s will takes a different, more positive light since her aiming was towards the “right” or if you like the only direction.

    well and the other direction would be not to kill them all and Kaname to take HW's position so that he could block that weapon's negative effects in a way and you know the rest of the story...

    If Kaname chooses to succeed her, at that certain time and moment, it's no coincidence she was ready to attack (gathering her powers through weapons) and apparently kill them all...if the message is all, Yuuki is indeed a part of the general plan, Kaname had no solution but to take her place...so under this "threat" or "blackmailing" way, the idea of right and justice starts already losing its sense because her replacement who is Kaname was driven into that role to actually prevent the worst.

    And if he cares to prevent the worst, the destruction of all, then it's Hino's way IMO to show the extensions, the dead-end, the desperate choices that were forcefully made.
    Because Kaname as we know was not happy selecting this path and this route...did not start this plan or path with victorious idea, it was far more like depression, desperation, hesitation...
    So where can the "positive light" fit in Hino's final idea about co-existence without purebloods where innocent lives are to be killed and people to suffer?

    An ideal sacrifice that could redeem let's say HW wishes would be a mass threat of people like in the old days...now it's an empty wish, like all the ideas and the efforts that vampires and humans did for co-existence until now are in vain (ou...that reminds me what Kaname had said before leaving Yuuki anyway...hm..)

    Let's see up until now we have;
    -Kaname's efforts to kill the council and stop Ichijou since the latest had wanted to exterminate all purebloods considering them dangerous for the race
    -Sara's threat - she also wanted to exterminate all purebloods / Kaname did not even accept her offer to leave with Yuuki and she to take his position
    - Kaien's story wish at the past to exterminate all purebloods / Yuuri changed him and Hino apparently spared a chapter to tell us that.
    -Zero's personal fight and effort; we were saying that he has to mature in order to see that not all purebloods are the same...and to get over his hate. All these for what? special the first two cases? because if Hino wishes for us to see in a more positive light, then apparently Zero also had a positive hunch all of these years, and the hunters also. Yuuri was a fool for changing Kaien and apparently Kaname did not need to stop Ichijou...

    So if Hino intends HW wish to be seen in a more positive way then apparently the grudge of the weapon was also a positive thing...

    What about Cross academy and the idea of a long-term plan with peaceful ways...? that Yuuki dreamed to re-open and start the project again? The vampires that supported her there?

    Where all these a farce just to prove that there is no way?

    Could Hino empty all of the above facts and events that she created, plugged in and demonstrated but more than this and her main's character's dreams about co-existence, in order to grand and justify a secondary's characters (and even less) unexplained to the current point wish to exterminate all the purebloods (and along with this Hino to exterminate also all the events, the fights, the sacrifices, the efforts that vampires and humans made to sustain the co-existence all of these years?)

    So I can not see Hino purifying anything and anyone with that "only way" to co-existence excuse, in fact creates more gaps in her script and makes everybody a fool for not having seen it before; that there was no other way. Wouldn't she?

    Plus that would collapse the best part which is the meaning to fight for peace, justice, to have ideals and defend them...

    where will these go if the lesson turns to "the only way sometime is to kill them all and then leave in peace?" LOL...does not really sound and too beneficial...









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    Post by nina on Sat Sep 08, 2012 1:50 pm

    Juliet wrote:
    Hino's vision for co-existence if she has decided to exterminate there HW is a future without HW..LOL rofl rofl rofl

    Raise your glass my dear and let’s celebrate rofl rofl rofl

    Well I tried to be fair –regardless my personal feelings about this bossy lady- but you are not letting me Razz rofl rofl rofl

    If Kaname chooses to succeed her, at that certain time and moment, it's no coincidence she was ready to attack (gathering her powers through weapons) and apparently kill them all...if the message is all, Yuuki is indeed a part of the general plan, Kaname had no solution but to take her place...so under this "threat" or "blackmailing" way, the idea of right and justice starts already losing its sense because her replacement who is Kaname was driven into that role to actually prevent the worst.

    And if he cares to prevent the worst, the destruction of all, then it's Hino's way IMO to show the extensions, the dead-end, the desperate choices that were forcefully made.

    I agree but this is something that remains to be seen since we do not know yet the real intentions of Kaname and secondly by showing the dead-end that Kaname was driven, it could be his justification but synchronously that there wasn’t any other way.
    In other words the annihilation of all PBs is identified with the author’s resolution.

    So where can the "positive light" fit in Hino's final idea about co-existence without purebloods where innocent lives are to be killed and people to suffer?

    There you said a key phrase innocent lives … did Hino show that PBs are innocent beings; or the contrary?
    Because what I see is an effort to shift the burden of the evilness mostly on the PBs … as if they cease to exist; it will cease the evil too. An easy way out if you ask me but still it could be it lol
    There I see a great unbalance in the script which makes me wonder about Hino’s views and final direction.
    Because who are the innocent/good PBs in the story? Except from the Kurans and maybe Isaya (who is a question mark) … who else? Even the Kurans had a black sheep in their clan. Even the ones who decided to start families weren’t innocents >> Hio for example or even Hanadagi who wasn’t portrayed exactly with bright colours … Shirabuki … Touma … even Ouri who supposedly was a peaceful one devoted to charities still he let Sara to take advantage of him (out of apathy) and devour his powers for evil purposes.

    Hence even if they do not resort to violence themselves, still are potential weapons on the hands of others. Not to mention that through Takuma’s example mostly, she showed that the PBs are a source of corruption since she turned maybe the most righteous, noble vampire into an accomplice of a villain. Isn’t she conveying the message that the PBs are also a hindrance/corruptors that keep down the further development of the entire vampires’ society?

    Thus I cannot stop wondering that if Hino wanted an oncoming co-existence including the PBs then she should have showed the good side of them, balancing the evil with the good which I do not see. The example or the model of that it could be the noble vampires … Hino clearly showed that there are good ones who do not see the humans as food, that have succeeded to suppress their natural instinct for human blood i.e. they were re-formed hence and they certainly must have a place in the future since they contributed to the co-existence concept.
    But from PB’s side where are such examples?
    Are only the Kurans enough???
    And honestly if she envisions a co-existence without PBs then I do not see any reason or the fairness by sparing only Yuuki’s life in the end … IMO in this case Yuuki should die as well.


    There is another factor that you also stressed out >>

    An ideal sacrifice that could redeem let's say HW wishes would be a mass threat of people like in the old days...now it's an empty wish, like all the ideas and the efforts that vampires and humans did for co-existence until now are in vain (ou...that reminds me what Kaname had said before leaving Yuuki anyway...hm..)

    Doesn’t seem that it was indeed in vain? Except from the project weapons-hunters which indeed saved the human race, still the longed co-existence never came. And through Sara’s plans and Asato’s in the past Hino showed us how close the doom could be, only from one PB.

    And I couldn’t agree more with what you described as efforts –mostly from the Kurans/Kaname- through millennia to avoid the total extinction of the PB race but this has and another readout >> that despite the efforts of the 10.000 years and 10000 chances to reform themselves they are still the same.

    So this amount of time and efforts could be another justification now for their elimination >> nothing changed in 10000 years; so what it could change in the future and how? Or think about how many indeed innocent lives had been destroyed during these 10000 years in order to be given second chances to these beings that are proven guilty and unchangeable …

    In short IF this is the direction that Hino wants to give in her story then doesn’t she coincide with HW’s wishes in a sense?

    And I repeat that I do not agree with such potentiality and certainly I co-sign all your observations however there are counterarguments that are showing this unbalance in her script.
    And to reverse your query (as the devil’s advocate Razz)>>

    where will these go if the lesson turns to "the only way sometime is to kill them all and then leave in peace?" LOL...does not really sound and too beneficial...

    >> why the PBs should be saved if nothing good can’t be derived from them?





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    Post by juliet on Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:19 pm

    I agree but this is something that remains to be seen since we do not know yet the real intentions of Kaname and secondly by showing the dead-end that Kaname was driven, it could be his justification but synchronously that there wasn’t any other way.

    Wasn’t there any other way in order though to achieve what?

    The destruction of all pureblood or the savor of even the few innocents such as Yuuki?

    Because at the scene with the HW we see and that’s a fact that her plans of destruction come without distinctions/
    What happens next?
    Kaname tells her that he shall succeed her and this fact stops the attack. There we see it...

    fact > HW tries to kill them all > Kaname stops her attack

    Now in a plan/resolution that all pureblood are supposed to die as the only way to co-existence and some have to die (Kaname, Issue, Touma) obligatory to serve this purpose, one way or the other, either at the course or at the end...why Hino chooses to stop HW’s attack that apparently would give an end to this problem/conflict that is going on for centuries now?

    What is the meaning of stopping HW’s attack if Kaname is there only to change with her roles and continue with the elimination?
    Why the swift of roles? The successor role what purposes does it serve under this light? HW could have ended them all there and that would apparently solve the problem.

    Is it only for Yuuki’s sake?> in this case then Hino intends to leave Yuuki as the sole pureblood in the world whereas all others will have been killed to serve the co-existence purposes...

    If there is a window there for Yuuki, could’t that include and other pureblood are well that are innocent?

    There you said a key phrase innocent lives … did Hino show that PBs are innocent beings; or the contrary?
    Because what I see is an effort to shift the burden of the evilness mostly on the PBs … as if they cease to exist; it will cease the evil too. An easy way out if you ask me but still it could be it lol
    There I see a great unbalance in the script which makes me wonder about Hino’s views and final direction.
    Because who are the innocent/good PBs in the story? Except from the Kurans and maybe Isaya (who is a question mark) … who else?

    let’s go over how many pureblood have remained now?

    http://www.mangareader.net/104-40425-29/vampire-knight/chapter-56.html

    Is Touma’s sister also guilty? Hanadagi’s family that slept in the centuries? other family members that might have been left?
    and who was the mean pureblood in this chapter? Sara, just Sara...

    Touma did nothing in reality > attacked another pureblood that cannot be killed. Is it a coincidence that he survived?

    The truth is that Hino left us with the idea that all families still had members other than Touma and Hios and Hana...

    I am not saying that Hino cannot follow this easy way out, I am just judging it in advance as a theory >

    Hino showed that the problem is by far more complex, is not a problem that focuses on pureblood solely but indeed spreads in many directions>

    Nobles wanting to eat humans> Asato and the council are an amazing demonstration of that and it proves that if vampires want to take over humanity they do not have to be pureblood to do it. OR this or Asato’s menace was not a menace at all (since he could not change humans) and since the only problem that HW sees is the pureblood, and this is the only way out for a peaceful co-existence, then why do we blame Asato?

    Going in the extermination of all under the reason that there is no other way out, purifies even Asato’s plans to kill all pureblood> and at the same time his own plan that saw humans as food totally nullifies HW’s perception that this problem can be solved only with the elimination of the pureblood and screams at the same time how empty this extermination plan sounds.

    So why so much persistence in the pureblood race? HW’wish seems to be stacked like ten thousand of years ago when pureblood where indeed the enemy recruiting armies but the society has even progressed from there. More and more are wanting power, hunters even collaborated with the council > can this culture be changed with killing the purebloods?

    Even Rima showed that they have no one to protect them against the hunters....

    This is calling for laws and slow adaptation, a change in culture...better guardians.

    Doesn’t seem that it was indeed in vain? Except from the project weapons-hunters which indeed saved the human race, still the longed co-existence never came. And through Sara’s plans and Asato’s in the past Hino showed us how close the doom could be, only from one PB.

    No that’s not true...they were not all in vain. Hino sheds rays of light that the slow way’s in fact started to make a change already...

    > The nightclass protected the day-class> the day-class was aware of vampires existence (a great fact since the vampire’s existence remained hidden under the carpet) and welcomed them.
    > Yuuki’s own attitude that forces nobody to follow her; made the nobles to trust her again especially at a time that her own brother was supposed to have betrayed the vampire race
    >the noble kids that supported the co-existence project and ran to help her
    > Kaien’s hate under the Kuran’s spell was cured
    > Ouri, Shouto, Yuuri, Haruka, Yuuki are the proof that evil may exists but so is good.
    >The hunters and Kaname had reached a common agreement> wasn’t that a liberation already from the old rules of the council and Asato’s faction that had corrupted anything?

    After all we have reached the point that very few pureblood exist and apart from Sara we do not see and anyone actively participating in anything. So again what calls for such extreme measures?

    How can Hino show that there was no other way after clearly showing all the above efforts for peace to shine through? After putting her main character to fight for this ideal? > if HW succeeds then apparently all other fail.

    How can Hino justify it? IMO she cannot...because she has shown already the alternative > hans’t she?


    So this amount of time and efforts could be another justification now for their elimination >> nothing changed in 10000 years; so what it could change in the future and how? Or think about how many indeed innocent lives had been destroyed during these 10000 years in order to be given second chances to these beings that are proven guilty and unchangeable …


    You know what that reminds me?

    {Other commentators have echoed the principle; Benjamin Franklin stated it as, "it is better [one hundred] guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer".[7]
    John Adams also expanded upon the rationale behind Blackstone's Formulation when he wrote: "It is more important that innocence be protected than it is that guilt be punished, for guilt and crimes are so frequent in this world that they cannot all be punished. But if innocence itself is brought to the bar and condemned, perhaps to die, then the citizen will say, "whether I do good or whether I do evil is immaterial, for innocence itself is no protection," and if such an idea as that were to take hold in the mind of the citizen that would be the end of security whatsoever."}

    See all societies have wars and injustice and killings but no one endorses or can justify even the kill of the one innocent for the sake of having ten guilty exterminated. I can’t believe that Hino shall lead her script into such a mistake.

    What i keep as a fact at this moment is that Kaname did stop the killing even of the one being innoncent from HW's wish....we shall see about the continuation.






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    Re: Hooded Woman and her role to VK...

    Post by nina on Mon Sep 10, 2012 11:51 am

    @Juliet

    I had started to reply on your post but I got the feeling that it was like talking to myself trying to counter my own beliefs here hahaha
    So I won’t at least not until we have more clues since there are many things about HW’s role that need clarifications.

    {Other commentators have echoed the principle; Benjamin Franklin stated it as, "it is better [one hundred] guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer".[7]
    John Adams also expanded upon the rationale behind Blackstone's Formulation when he wrote: "It is more important that innocence be protected than it is that guilt be punished, for guilt and crimes are so frequent in this world that they cannot all be punished. But if innocence itself is brought to the bar and condemned, perhaps to die, then the citizen will say, "whether I do good or whether I do evil is immaterial, for innocence itself is no protection," and if such an idea as that were to take hold in the mind of the citizen that would be the end of security whatsoever."}

    See all societies have wars and injustice and killings but no one endorses or can justify even the kill of the one innocent for the sake of having ten guilty exterminated. I can’t believe that Hino shall lead her script into such a mistake.

    What i keep as a fact at this moment is that Kaname did stop the killing even of the one being innoncent from HW's wish....we shall see about the continuation.


    Co-sign cheers … this ^^^ reflect my beliefs as well.
    And if I may say something more that adds on the above direction is that Hino showed the opposition between HW and Yuuki … so I hardly can see that she’ll lead her script according to HW’s wishes and not Yuuki’s who is her heroine after all lol.





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