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Changing her to a human to keep Yuuki uninvolved in the eventual massacre of purebloods seems a likely explanation, I think. It's clear now that Kaname has always known of the HW's intentions against purebloods.
So he watched her grow up as a human, and delayed transforming her back into a pureblood to prolong her safety. Because Kaname did care for the HW as well and wants to help fulfill her will, but not at Yuuki's expense.
So it seems as though Kaname found a loophole to help and save both women he cared for:
Kaname will fulfill the HW's wish by protecting their society from the 'darkness of purebloods'. But before beginning the hunt, he intended to keep Yuuki human. Because if she were human, the HW wouldn't see a need to kill her as well and she would be out of harms way.
Kaname: I can barely feel HER emotions in it anymore… (means HW emotions in the weapons) … These weapons are consumed with the desire to kill vampires (volume 14)
The above passage made me think that HW’s will had been somehow deviated from the initial goal or if you like the numerous killings and the blood that had fed these weapons had consumed all the (“human-ish”) emotions except from the desire to kill. Thus and the HW in the end turned into a monster which tried to kill even Yuuki.
What appears to be the next step is. Kaname resolved to susbtitute HW as the new pureblood material to make a new metal furnace . Meaning Kaname will replace HW as the new spirit controlling the anti - vampire weapons .
The Kaname: "I’ll carry on your will." promise .
The problem here is if Yuuki will allow Kaname to die as a sacrifice to create new anti - vampire weapons .
What is missing of course from this theory is the point where Kaname’s behavior changes, because I do believe that at the beginning when they return at the Kuran mansion he is highly thinking about staying with her
I am under the impression that even though at the back of his head there had always been the notion that he should have to deal with HW’s wishes at some point, therefore he hesitated changing her and always searched for alternatives,
And perhaps it was time to stop since the weapons were indeed a great source, “cursed” themselves, such as in Kaien’s case where he was trying to get rid of that curse to kill vampires by trying to slaughter them all and be rid of that role for good. That was until she met the “pure good”, something that also Kaname met with Yuuki and this is why he had wished to stop with this role and be with her, but then again now it seems impossible for him, since he said that he succeed her, whatever that means.
There is this fishy line from Sara that I never understood before;
How Sara judges that since Kaname is the ancestor he shall let her for now? I mean this knowledge about him how it affects her plan?
nina wrote:@Jul very good analysis!! \0/
Kaname: In order to protect her I need everyone to know of her existence… What he meant??? Any idea is welcomed lol
And Juliet is right … seeing now clearly what the HW wants and what Yuuki represents we can assume that the two women are in polar opposite positions… both of them were into Kaname’s contradictions as figures … so was it inevitable a clash between them? And I do not mean a confrontation face to face but their opposite wills and where Yuuki’s actions could have led (???) >>
According to Kaname to Yuuki’s death/sacrifice >> did Yuuki’s decision to grab her Artemis going to the outside world motivated to make a difference; played a role to Kaname’s decision?
Alternatives yes … and I don’t think that these alternatives regarded only Yuuki.
- His choice to go into slumber instead of fulfilling HW’s will in the far past could have been another alternative that he was seeking. If Kaname wanted the same thing as the HW or was so important for him (for emotional reasons) to fulfill her will then why he didn’t do it back then when moreover he was alone and with nothing to lose?
- The monarchy, the Kurans’ philosophy and the rule that no one should change humans into vampires. All these choices allowed the PBs to go on living for millennia, creating families and in extension the vampires’ society with level B, C, D as it is now.
Could all these have been his efforts to set, let’s say, in “slumber” the will of the HW?
IMO and with the info that we have so far the answer is yes cuz all that was his doings and were coming clearly in contrast with what the HW wanted. Thus Kaname in a sense tried to negate or reverse the inevitable (as it seems now) i.e. the annihilation of all the PBs?
Same thoughts here Jul … I was reading again the volume 12 … the extra chapter about Cross’s past as a fearful hunter takes another meaning now. (for whoever wants to refresh its memory >
The most juicy parts >>
Cross: One day I’ll burn those photos and wipe out every one of you
Juuri: Do you mean that? You intend to kill every one of us?
Cross: Our job will be done once we annihilate you… and this godforsaken curse I have may disappear once you’re gone. Surely I’m allowed that dream, right?
(I did tell her it was my dream but it was a dark dream and there was no hope of it coming true.
Cross back then clearly states and wishes what all the hunters want > the annihilation of the vampires > HW’s will. But on the same time he is seeking for a way out of that curse >>
Godforsaken curse … a curse that Cross was tired of and he thought that it might stop only if the vampires would cease to exist.
And now after we heard HW’s will > I can’t die myself before destruction is complete…I have to hunt down purebloods who bring darkness to others…that’s the purpose of my existence. isn’t Cross talking about the same thing?
I think he is … but we also see the Kurans’ notion through Juuri >>
However there is still the question; what triggered now after millennia HW’s rampage? Why this didn’t happen before? One factor that now exists and not in the past is Yuuki without being able to particularize it further though.
So … was Kaname himself who triggered this on purpose in order to put an end once and for all?
Was it Sara’s doings by turning humans and accumulating powers to dominate over the world?
Was it a combination; like Kaname utilized Sara’s plan to trigger the mother metal in order to destroy it?
If not then why Kaname didn’t annihilate the rest of the PBs BEFORE he goes at the HA?
If his plan is to annihilate all the PBs wouldn’t have been better to go on, rather than going at the HA? No one was trying to stop him anyway, Sara was restrained inside the HA for the time being so he could have dealt with her later, the project with the tablets have been disclosed and the HW’s will would have been fulfilled and maybe her rampage could have been prevented.
Thus I’m thinking that his timing seems weird O.O
“My hands are far more tainted than you think. Can you stand these hands touching you everyday?...”
Kaman’s thoughts: “How many countless nights...did i spend in vain? I have finally got hold of the girl i love, and with whom i will be spending million of nights”...
Hm … I always wondered myself but while I was writing a thought crossed my mind.
Could Sara meant that since Kaname is the ancestor is bound to fulfill HW’s will and thus he wouldn’t touch her (for the time being at least) since she was aiding him on that task?
Didn’t Takuma say more or less the same thing to Kaname at the academy as you also pointed out?? >>
It’s like Takuma suggesting to Kaname to leave his task as the ancestor to fulfill HW’s will on Sara, isn’t it?
So even stating it, it's like actually fully confessing that she led him at this point where he can not act otherwise in order to blackmail him.“Yuuki-Chan said that she believes in you. Because it’s about you. Something going on isn’t that so?”
And now I’m thinking … could Sara have had betted on the wrong horse there???
Could Takuma with his info about Kaname to have had misled her unintentionally?
if we look the situation plot-wise I think that Hino’s timing to put Kaname inside the HA opens a window for a way out … a way out that perhaps is Yuuki’s role to find and accomplish.
Because I’m thinking as Sara said; Yuuki is Kaname’s light and salvation and it is kinda what Aido-dono said to Yuuki as well.
So if Hino intends to put Yuuki to save the day now is the perfect timing >
- Sara is gone so this circle has come to its end
- The project HW/HA seems destroyed or at least Yuuki is saved since Kaname is the one who will succeed the HW.
- And most importantly there are still PBs alive
Hence if Yuuki is destined as the heroine to save something now is the time cuz if for example Kaname kills all the PBs what is she gonna save; only Kaname from his death? I don’t think so.
Or even in the scenario that Kaname intends to succeed the HW by sacrificing himself to create new weapons which are gonna be controlled by him saving Yuuki, the PBs who do not turn humans and the hunters and he will accomplish that plan; again what is left for Yuuki to save???
That’s why I’m thinking that the timing that Kaname made his move at the HA might be the window for a general salvation or else Yuuki’s role as the heroine would be a failure.
Juliet wrote: haha, no ideas yet Nina...i guess the obvious that nobody should dare to harm her because you know , so if the deal is a threat more metaphysic such as HW's will to kill all purebloods and if something activated that, then someone found a way to overpass this barrier? perhaps?
Here I have an observation to make; Why Artemis does not effect Yuuki? or does not transfer her HW’s will, as with Kaname or Zero or the rest of the hunters?
Kaman’s question “Can’t you feel it as you wield that weapon? Killing the pureblood are her desires”, suggests that Yuuki should be feeling the desires of the HW. Yet, Yuuki is unaffected and actually has the same impression that we had that HW did not wish the total destruction of the pureblood, an impression that is no longer valid. So what is happening there?
As an observation; Yuuki’s stance to make a difference and stop any unnecessary sacrifices in combination with the factor that she is trully unaffected from the weapons is a trait rather unwanted for HW and her extermination plans.
It was Kaname's role and responsibility, a task that HW had placed in his solders and it seems that he and the rest of the Kuran family did their best to protect all sides by establishing a monarchy and later on progressing even further with establishing the council and even now progressing society a step further, creating the blood tablets.
http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/84/2 > wise words from Aidou who questions about the blood tablets and their services, they are meant to protect both humans but also vampires.
The resemblance is spooky...once i read the lines, yes it's talking about a curse. It's talking about killing all purebloods and more than this it seems that Kaien does not want this role> goes to extreme to get rid of it, also reminded me of Kaname and his decision to enter slumber releasing himself from that obligation that had been placed upon his shoulders.
Add to that the great influence that Yuuki has on Kaname who wanted to rest with her, HW desires had no chances of being fulfilled
When he visits the HA at this timing that you refer, it's not weird, IMO, it's the golden opportunity to take advantage of all the conditions there that shall contribute to HW's awakening and destroy her or stop her action; to prevent any more killing.
What worries me is that she said that she can't rest until the elimination of all; so what does that mean? is she destroyed or not? is he still bound to her will? this point i do not understand yet. I need to see it in order to believe it, LOL.
Perhaps Sara thought that Kaname's plan was to kill all purebloods and not to destroy the mother metal you mean? perhaps...
Perhaps she thought that Kaname shall be so determined to finish all purebloods, because he is moving out of pure necessity, due perhaps to the conditions that she created(?)
and she offered him a gate out,that normally should sound like a paradise..
I am wondering though how Sara offer such a trade, can she kill purebloods? Seriously Zero is not the solution or she thought that Kaname would offer her his power so she could also be officially Queen? and also protected from HW? (she thought perhaps that HW would not harm the Kuran lineage since they are answering to her call?) or simply put her bets on Zero?
I think though that now we can see the past more clearly and all elements just give so hard the element of necessity for Kaname to act the way that he did;
Kaname to Yuuki: After I started having doubts, I decided to live out time with you. But it seems ...Imust carry out what i had originally planned...”
This must expresses a necessity. Why there is a must? What lead him into changing his opinion?
As you said … Juuri and Yuuki seem unaffected from Artemis and Yuuki has also HW’s blood inside her (via Kaname) and still she doesn’t get HW’s msg, she stays unaffected from that curse, so why?
Could it be her blood? Sort of like what happened with Sara’s blood/tablets? We saw how Yuuki’s blood negates Sara’s blood which btw contains Ouri’s and Hanadagi’s power together. So could it be Yuuki’s own existence which would eventually provoke/waken up HW’s nemesis; especially in an environment which simulates the past with Sara’s efforts???
Kara wrote: None-the-less, I'm still intrigued as to how events might progress from this point forward; especially now that Sara is out of the picture. Does Sara's death signify the end of the corrupt blood tablet plot-line? What about the girls of Sara's harem? What will be Takuma's next move now that he is no longer affixed to Sara's side?
Juliet wrote: And more than this, is this going to be epic or what?
@Takuma> I think that Takuma knows more details than everyone about Kaname's plan and Sara's plan > so perhaps Kaname wants to secure him at least by his side. I still hope that Takuma shall come around to his back self...
More than this Kain, Ruka, Hanadagi's guardian, Touma are now here to answer some things > so we might be moving to a resolution....
Hm maybe not entirely and I mean that probably there is still need for new tablets which can reverse/negate Sara’s tabs effects. I’m not sure but I base my assumptions on the fact that Hino brought back the topic with the tablets in the previous chapter –putting Aido thinking about it- so I assume that she’ll have to address this issue even though Sara is dead.
However your thought that Kaname might want to “seal” his lips and take him by his side makes sense too, even though Kaname also gives me the vibe that he wants to proceed alone from now on >> f.e. Ruka and Kain ... doesn't he care for what they can tell as well?
Isn't it about that we have some kind of explantion...what Aido-dono was told and persuaded to sacrifice himself, despite his beliefs that wars should be prevented, and what potentially Aidou should also understand...if anything is just explained by HW's wishes to kill all purebloods and also Kaname's intention to fulfill them, why so much mystery? what for?She wanted anyway in the previous chapters to talk and explain to Aido. So maybe she’ll do that now.
Juliet wrote: I am afraid that she can use the tablets to postpone action in the next chapter...but perhaps there is also more in this plan, considering the plan that we have no found out yet...
I doubt that they know all extensions of Kaname's plan. Logically Ruka and Kain may know that Kaname had to fulfill /was bound to fulfill HW's will and perhaps that is why Ruka said at the ancestor's crypt/masoleum that she is pity of him...
Takuma though may know more, may know the absolute reason why Kaname set out to this plan> this is implied from the fact that Sara had kept Takuma by her side and stepped on the knowledege that Kaname was the ancestor in order to form her plan.
Isn't it about that we have some kind of explantion...what Aido-dono was told and persuaded to sacrifice himself, despite his beliefs that wars should be prevented, and what potentially Aidou should also understand...if anything is just explained by HW's wishes to kill all purebloods and also Kaname's intention to fulfill them, why so much mystery? what for?
no the plain "kill them all" explanation does not satisfy me and does not cover the logical assumptions that are opened by the plot.
HW's wishes was a fact given in the chapter that we had not taken into consideration at all, since Hino covered her wishes masterfully and we thought what Yuuki also thought...so I am wondering there are many points that we are mislead as well? could be...
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