, I'm not able to check the forum often in this period @nina:
Next chapter is labelled as the issue of the March BUT we will have it in January. The chapters are always released 2 months earlier than the printed date on the last page.
Thanks! As I've never followed an ongoing manga chapter by chapter I didn't know this, and when I read “March”
I was all O_______O
WHAAAAAT? THREE FULL MONTHS without knowing what's gonna happen? With Maya's prophecy incoming
Now I feel VERY relieved.
AND you also pointed out A LOT OF
episodes in which Yuuki protected Kaname no matter what. Out of pure brotherly love, obviously
juliet wrote:yes it's amusing to see how all these pure declarations of love, affection, support, and how the HW' awakening and the way they tried to protect each other at that hour is totally overlooked
Very good post!!!!
If indeed his memories are completely erased and he won’t ever remember, I wonder what zero’s role is in this arc? Beside being a wall pic in the first five chapters after kaname left and move around yuuki later, and his ass being kicked by kaname he did nothing. He occupied space for nothing.
Wall pic Zero: he's sexy and he knows it!!! That's why he's there! And I read so many reviews stating "I fell totally in love with Zero since the first page - I read VK only for Zero"
that I'm starting to believe THIS is the real reason why his character was introduced
Seriously. What I can't truly understand for now, and what's going to be the key to understand his aim for life
is his role in Kaname's plan
. As I said before, Kaname wants Zero to be the perfect weapon to hate and kill ALL PB, with no liberation until death
. We also see Takuma stating during this arc that the very beginning of Kaname's plan was when he discovered the existence of the Hunter twins
So, as Zero has killed no PB but Rido until now, and Rido's physical existence ended in the first arc, pointing out these facts also in the second one
means that Zero's role in Kaname's plan is far more HUGE than simply freeing him (and Yuuki) from Rido's hindrance.
Connecting this with Hino's pictures in which Zero tries and kill Yuuki
with what seems to be a stalactite, we may think that some kind of weapon will truly be created (?) and that Zero's true role is to wield that weapon to kill ALL PB
(or only evil ones?) but Yuuki. Still, something may go wrong with Kaname's plan, maybe because of Yuuki's interference: if the only thing that prevents Zero from hating PB Yuuki is his memories of human Yuuki, what will Zero do if he truly becomes able to wield the weapon WITH all his hate for PB but WITHOUT his own memories?
This is what I was thinking about while seeing Hino's art, but maybe those pictures are purely ornamental and without any hidden meaning. Still, Zero IS a living weapon – from Kaname's own words – so... we shall see if he's going to become suddenly useful in some way
Maybe I am thinking too much, or hino has too many loopholes in her story, but for hunters to use the new weapons, don’t they need to drink kaname’s blood? To create the bond which can allow them to wield the new weapons?
Correct, and this implies that hunters MUST be there when he sacrifices himself
. Or almost that the person/the people he wants to become the new hunter/hunters must be there. IF
he truly wants to repeat the same kind of ritual. This way of thinking is nullified if he wants to do something different that was never shown in the story
– or if, like you correctly said:
hino can create the excuse that they being already hunters means they can wield any anti-vamp weapons
But still, what is Zero's role in this? He's already a hunter, too
Even if some think that the creation of new ones is pointless, ruining the meaning of co-existence, I beg to differ. Imagine the real world without police. the hunters represent an authority, indispensable to the society. The vampires might learn to accept humans, not seeing them as mere food, but a bad apple might exist as well. The vampire society must be aware that going astray they might be punished.
But of course this is fiction, the author is hino, and if she wants the lakes and rivers to be filled with milk and not water, she can do it. she can create that perfect world where humans and vampires exist peacefully, no bad apple, the hunters not being needed anymore.
The lakes and rivers really broke me up! You're right, but what I mean when I say – to re-present the same situation than before – is not
that the weapons are useless or that they must absolutely not be created again. Obvioulsy bad apples exists. Still, Kaname's aim seems to reach some final
solution, to put an end to bad apples forever. Putting an end may mean – erasing all bad apples, and in this situation maybe there won't be the need of the same amount of hunters/slaves than before. Obviously someone must deal with ex-human vampires and such, if Kaname couldn't find a final solution to these problems as well. What I mean is – we are not going to see exactly the same situation as before. HW HATED
PB and this lead to her sacrifice, to her enslaving a whole bunch of people and going on a blind rampage in the end. Some different situation must be created – and cohexistence somewhat achieved – or there won't be any need to tell this story
But till drama will unfold – kaname throwing his heart, yuuki stopping him - Isaya might change his mind, and he being a substitute means he will become the new parent. probably because he doesn’t wish for his dear friends children to lose their lives.
To others the truth might hurt: she choose kaname over a future with zero; she choose death over a future with zero.
Totally co-sign here!!!
And your 3 opts for an ending are wonderful, too @nina, again:
Wonderful observations about bloodlust – reasons for Yuuki to erase Zero's memories AND to take her final decision
*APPLAUSE (with passion)*
Why? Cuz in this world and not in an imaginary world she BELONGS to Kaname and only death could separate them! She can go on living without Zero but she cannot without Kaname! That’s the power and the beauty of Yume that I’m sure some fans will never admit or see!
If so; I cannot stop wondering now; IF and HOW Yuuki’s choice/interference can influence Kaname’s plans. (???) >>
An amnesiac Zero has no reason to protect neither a human Yuuki...
Not to mention that a PB Yuuki is a potential enemy for Zero. Thus until he regains his memory he could be a threat for Yuuki under some circumstances. So could be this a parameter that Kaname didn’t consider? Of course Yuuki as a human is running no danger from Zero but since I hardly can imagine that we won’t see any Zero until Yuuki become human again; that is until the end of Kaname’s plan; I wonder if Yuuki has already started messing up with Kaname’s plan. (???)
I think so, as Kaname pointed out in the first arc multiple times that Zero would never betray Yuuki. But without his memories – who knows?
That's exactly why Yuuki's act may affect Kaname's plan – and again, may Kaname be aware about this from his few remnants into Zero's body? I hope not – because only unknown variables can mess up his perfect plan – and save him.
Yuuki as a human and Zero as a vampire is impossible. And we still missing a volunteer PB to turn Zero into a human as well, and I hardly can see anyone to taking this task
You're totally right here – or will Maria
sacrifice for underdog Zero as well? I may be wrong, but I think that @aya-chan wanted to state her first two opts to underline their absurdity, and I think that we're both with you when you say
Ergo IMO there is only two scenarios compatible with the main idea of coexistence:
1. A Zeki by default with Yuuki as PB, Zero as hunter-vampire and Kaname dead as the parent metal.
2. A Yume with Zero able to move on his life after he regained his memory.
The second one is perfect because it implies not only cohexistence – but also a growth of ALL main characters.
And the Seven Gods only know, how much Zero needs to grow.
And another thing to consider is; how Zero will feel about Yuuki’s interference after he’ll regain his memory?
Yuuki did what Zero hates most >> she “manipulated” him using her PB (arrogant as he says) powers over him. Even if she meant no harm but the contrary; still she decided for him without him.
And what about Zero’s queries, aims, needs and expectations from this supposedly common journey?
So; will he feel betrayed, angry, what? Or he’ll understand Yuuki’s motives?
UNDERSTAND? Zero? The one who was angry with her because of her true nature – about which, she can't do anything but being herself?
Now that you pointed this out, I think he's going to take that stalactite and kill her no matter if he regains his memories or not
as he's usually so sweet and understanding...@juliet, about your last post.
Very good observations again: if he's really going to purge all PB, what will be the dangers for human Yuuki? Ex-human vampires? Then, he has to deal with them, too. And why didn't he simply let things go as they were going to be – that is, the fulfillment of his own plan, without him being involved at all?
I must mumble
about this a bit, so I'm going to disappear for another week or two
still, this is just another proof – if needed - that we still know very, very little about Kaname's true aim and plan.