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    Vampire Knight 88 FULL RAWS AND TRANSLATION

    Post by nina on Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:40 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2000918715




    translation here: http://vampire-knight.livejournal.com/1015748.html

    all thanks to all parts, for their contribution to this monthly VK experience...




    English scanlation HERE


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    Re: Vampire Knight 88 FULL RAWS AND TRANSLATION

    Post by RIchard on Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:21 pm

    Don't take this wrong but he looks more like the son of zero and kaname to me, I just don't see yuki in him when I look at him.

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    Re: Vampire Knight 88 FULL RAWS AND TRANSLATION

    Post by nina on Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:50 pm

    lucykaede wrote:
    juliet wrote:
    lucykaede wrote:

    oh so who is he?he can't be zero because his hair color is brown in colored photograph.

    Oh i won't tell...i won't tell...LOL






    son of yuuki and zero? scratch
    now we know how son of yuuki and zero would look like.he indeed is kawaii. Very Happy

    rofl rofl rofl That’s it! It beats me!!!!!!!!!!

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    rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl


    Ps. Ahem… this pic has nothing to do with VK except of the same author trololololololol

    It is the promo for the republished Captive Hearts an older work of Hino.





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    Re: Vampire Knight 88 FULL RAWS AND TRANSLATION

    Post by RIchard on Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:59 pm

    nina wrote:
    lucykaede wrote:
    juliet wrote:

    Oh i won't tell...i won't tell...LOL






    son of yuuki and zero? scratch
    now we know how son of yuuki and zero would look like.he indeed is kawaii. Very Happy

    rofl rofl rofl That’s it! It beats me!!!!!!!!!!

    Spoiler:







    rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl


    Ps. Ahem… this pic has nothing to do with VK except of the same author trololololololol

    It is the promo for the republished Captive Hearts an older work of Hino.
    Yeah he is from Toraware no Minoue isn't he?

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    Re: Vampire Knight 88 FULL RAWS AND TRANSLATION

    Post by nina on Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:02 pm

    RIchard wrote:
    Yeah he is from Toraware no Minoue isn't he?

    Yup that's right.





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    Re: Vampire Knight 88 FULL RAWS AND TRANSLATION

    Post by kanachanimmortal on Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:25 pm

    nina wrote:
    lucykaede wrote:
    juliet wrote:

    Oh i won't tell...i won't tell...LOL






    son of yuuki and zero? scratch
    now we know how son of yuuki and zero would look like.he indeed is kawaii. Very Happy

    rofl rofl rofl That’s it! It beats me!!!!!!!!!!

    Spoiler:







    rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl


    Ps. Ahem… this pic has nothing to do with VK except of the same author trololololololol

    It is the promo for the republished Captive Hearts an older work of Hino.

    i am ready to sound like joey instead of it actually being true. Razz

    but atleast i made you guys rofl so you should appreciate it a little.lol...... rofl
    but this guy really looks like zero with kaname's hair so i got confused.

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    Post by RIchard on Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:25 pm

    lucykaede wrote:but this guy really looks like zero with kaname's hair so i got confused.
    Kaname and zero's lo/.... Hate Child, I knew more went on in that bathroom then zero biting kaname.

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    Post by kanachanimmortal on Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:00 am

    i don't understand this lt now.it seems like yuuki loves zero but she has to do that sacrifice to save vampires. scratch

    i wonder what will be her reaction when she will get to know kaname being the original parent.sry to say but yuuki don't have brains to see this obvious fact.

    in this chapter yuuki cried because she had to erase memories not because kaname left her again.if now it ends a yume it will be an insult to kaname sama.he doesn't need a stupid girl like her.let these two idiots be humans and our sama rest in peace with his original beloved.

    YUUKI DOESN'T LOVE KANAME,SHE LOVES ZERO.that is what i believed since he left her,she never showed any problems with him leaving her,she was not happy because he killed vamps.

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    Post by RIchard on Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:34 am

    This is in my opinion but I don't think yuki cares about the other vampires, what she wants to do is to stop kaname from further tainting him self. No matter what happens yuki will always love kaname as at least a brother, that wont change, as you can see in her human world fantasy he was still her brother and she has said she was happy with him as her brother right before they were suppose to start over.

    Yuki has loved zero for a long time now, at least the entire time she lived in the mansion but she keep coming up with reasons not to be together, I am a pb, he is a hunter, I betrayed him, I keep hurting him, he needs me to hunt so he can keep on living. It goes on forever lol

    I also don't believe kaname intends to become a new parent metal, I think that was just added to get isaya to back off and for hino to throw a twist at us when he doesn't do it.

    Right now I think every thing is going according to kanames plans, not only yuki taking zero's memories but also her intending to turn kaname human, which I doubt he will let her.

    Right now I got a question and also answer.
    Q: Why did aido's dad have to die?
    A: Sadly cause he was there, kaname needed to be added to the dangerous vampire list and to get that done he had to kill an innocent vampire in front of cross.
    Q: Why did kaname want most of the AV weapon destroyed?
    [Note] The attack on isaya the first time [1 pb at the ha], the attack on the academy [2pbs at the ha], the attack on the ha [4 pbs at the ha] was all to frenzy the parent and destroy the av weapons.
    A: ??

    Remember this is just my opinion on what I read and seen, you are welcome to disagree or even add in your own insight.

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    Post by kanachanimmortal on Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:05 am

    RIchard wrote:This is in my opinion but I don't think yuki cares about the other vampires, what she wants to do is to stop kaname from further tainting him self. No matter what happens yuki will always love kaname as at least a brother, that wont change, as you can see in her human world fantasy he was still her brother and she has said she was happy with him as her brother right before they were suppose to start over.

    Yuki has loved zero for a long time now, at least the entire time she lived in the mansion but she keep coming up with reasons not to be together, I am a pb, he is a hunter, I betrayed him, I keep hurting him, he needs me to hunt so he can keep on living. It goes on forever lol

    I also don't believe kaname intends to become a new parent metal, I think that was just added to get isaya to back off and for hino to throw a twist at us when he doesn't do it.

    Right now I think every thing is going according to kanames plans, not only yuki taking zero's memories but also her intending to turn kaname human, which I doubt he will let her.

    Right now I got a question and also answer.
    Q: Why did aido's dad have to die?
    A: Sadly cause he was there, kaname needed to be added to the dangerous vampire list and to get that done he had to kill an innocent vampire in front of cross.
    Q: Why did kaname want most of the AV weapon destroyed?
    [Note] The attack on isaya the first time [1 pb at the ha], the attack on the academy [2pbs at the ha], the attack on the ha [4 pbs at the ha] was all to frenzy the parent and destroy the av weapons.
    A: ??

    Remember this is just my opinion on what I read and seen, you are welcome to disagree or even add in your own insight.

    i agree that kaname will not let yuuki die but if he turns her human with help of isaya wouldn't it be that hino already gave us her so called end. scratch
    hino had a history of trolling so i hope she is trolling with this thing too.if kaname turns human then it is predictable and if yuuki turns human that is also very predictable ending so i wish hino didn't give us her ending already.

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    Post by nina on Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:34 pm

    ButterflyWingsx wrote: I get why Yuuki did it. It's still cruel to Zero.

    But still, I feel it's unfair to Zero. Though, I applaud Yuuki for wanting to die to save Kaname and staying true to her words I just wish she didn't have to scr** Zero over to do it.

    I get what you’re saying and I agree in a sense it is indeed cruel as regards Zero’s feelings, and we don’t have to see it from our perspective to realize it, but just to look Zero’s facial expression and words >> “Stop it … I won’t forgive you

    Well Zero’s words many times were merely hot air but I think it is obvious that at least what Yuuki did was against Zero’s will and wants. And another thing to consider is; how Zero will feel about Yuuki’s interference after he’ll regain his memory?
    Yuuki did what Zero hates most >> she “manipulated” him using her PB (arrogant as he says) powers over him. Even if she meant no harm but the contrary; still she decided for him without him.
    And what about Zero’s queries, aims, needs and expectations from this supposedly common journey? Razz

    So; will he feel betrayed, angry, what? Or he’ll understand Yuuki’s motives?

    But here is the thing … Hino via Yuuki ofc, sc*** up both boys … she hurt both of their feelings here >> Kaname by putting him seeing the Zeki kiss and Zero by erasing his memory. Because yes Kaname might have walked away gracefully but this doesn’t mean that he wasn’t burning inside.

    However as a Yume I’m pretty pleased with Yuuki erasing Zero’s memory… I can’t hide it ^^
    Even if will be temporarily, still bears at least a repeated symbolic meaning.
    In a sense she took a sponge and wiped off their common past i.e. she cut that bond in order to focus only on Kaname \0/
    For me this signifies what is the most important for her ^^

    Now aside from the psychological impact that Yuuki’s action might have, the main question for me is; will this action affect the rest of the plot in a wider scale? Or it was just a plot-device from Hino to provide some time alone to Yume?
    I mean … could the amnesiac Zero play a not expected role; a role that could disturb the balances? scratch





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    Post by juliet on Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:26 pm

    A question that i have in mind some days now; tell me if this makes sense as i heard a theory about Kaname wanting to create something extreme to kill all purebloods but i do not see the reason for it;


    The idea was that Kaname shall sacrifice himself to kill all purebloods whereas Yuuki is turned human by Isaya.

    Ichiou had wished the extermination of all. Sara had wished the extermination of all. HW wished the extermination of all.

    M…so why didn’t Kaname made Yuuki human and let the rest of the course take its way at any stage of the way?

    In the same respect Kaname could have taken Yuuki and even walk away to save their love as Takuma had suggested.

    So if the purebloods were left in peace to be terminated by Ichiou+Rido+Sara plus HW’s woman’s later bonus then…

    We would reach a point with no purebloods/ HW can kill the one or two left and she would be free once the extermination of purebloods ended. No anti-vampire weapons would be needed after all, when the extermination phase would have ended. Then the hunters could take down the council and Ichiou (if they still insisted to gourmet on humans).
    Nobles and the rest vampires could be killed with conventional weapons by hunters; it just takes a blow/crush to the head and heart as stated by Kaname. This way the vampire society could be regulated with a noble-hunters participation.

    So why none of the above happened?

    Why Kaname must chose such a stupid plan to go himself for the extermination of the purebloods and he lost so many opportunities all the way?






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    Post by kanachanimmortal on Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:45 am

    juliet wrote: A question that i have in mind some days now; tell me if this makes sense as i heard a theory about Kaname wanting to create something extreme to kill all purebloods but i do not see the reason for it;


    The idea was that Kaname shall sacrifice himself to kill all purebloods whereas Yuuki is turned human by Isaya.

    Ichiou had wished the extermination of all. Sara had wished the extermination of all. HW wished the extermination of all.

    M…so why didn’t Kaname made Yuuki human and let the rest of the course take its way at any stage of the way?

    In the same respect Kaname could have taken Yuuki and even walk away to save their love as Takuma had suggested.

    So if the purebloods were left in peace to be terminated by Ichiou+Rido+Sara plus HW’s woman’s later bonus then…

    We would reach a point with no purebloods/ HW can kill the one or two left and she would be free once the extermination of purebloods ended. No anti-vampire weapons would be needed after all, when the extermination phase would have ended. Then the hunters could take down the council and Ichiou (if they still insisted to gourmet on humans).
    Nobles and the rest vampires could be killed with conventional weapons by hunters; it just takes a blow/crush to the head and heart as stated by Kaname. This way the vampire society could be regulated with a noble-hunters participation.

    So why none of the above happened?

    Why Kaname must chose such a stupid plan to go himself for the extermination of the purebloods and he lost so many opportunities all the way?


    nice thought,guess hino will reveal her pages in final arc.hope to see more into kaname's plan.one thing is for sure that kaname loves her more than his own life.he actually told her in first arc that he loves her more than anything in this world.so definitely his plan whether stupid or clever is strongly related to yuuki's sake.

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    Post by Duskola on Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:04 pm

    Alas, I'm not able to check the forum often in this period sFun_banghead2

    @nina: Wonderful signature rofl and

    Next chapter is labelled as the issue of the March BUT we will have it in January. The chapters are always released 2 months earlier than the printed date on the last page. 

    Thanks! As I've never followed an ongoing manga chapter by chapter I didn't know this, and when I read “March” I was all O_______O sSc_jawdrop3 affraid affraid pale WHAAAAAT? THREE FULL MONTHS without knowing what's gonna happen? With Maya's prophecy incoming lol!
    Now I feel VERY relieved.

    AND you also pointed out A LOT OF episodes in which Yuuki protected Kaname no matter what. Out of pure brotherly love, obviously rofl rofl rofl

    juliet wrote:yes it's amusing to see how all these pure declarations of love, affection, support, and how the HW' awakening and the way they tried to protect each other at that hour is totally overlooked

    lol!

    @aya-chan:

    Very good post!!!! cheers


    If indeed his memories are completely erased and he won’t ever remember, I wonder what zero’s role is in this arc? Beside being a wall pic in the first five chapters after kaname left and move around yuuki later, and his ass being kicked by kaname he did nothing. He occupied space for nothing.

    rofl Wall pic Zero: he's sexy and he knows it!!! That's why he's there! And I read so many reviews stating "I fell totally in love with Zero since the first page - I read VK only for Zero" that I'm starting to believe THIS is the real reason why his character was introduced rofl poor thing...

    Seriously. What I can't truly understand for now, and what's going to be the key to understand his aim for life lol! is his role in Kaname's plan. As I said before, Kaname wants Zero to be the perfect weapon to hate and kill ALL PB, with no liberation until death. We also see Takuma stating during this arc that the very beginning of Kaname's plan was when he discovered the existence of the Hunter twins.
    So, as Zero has killed no PB but Rido until now, and Rido's physical existence ended in the first arc, pointing out these facts also in the second one means that Zero's role in Kaname's plan is far more HUGE than simply freeing him (and Yuuki) from Rido's hindrance.
    Connecting this with Hino's pictures in which Zero tries and kill Yuuki with what seems to be a stalactite, we may think that some kind of weapon will truly be created (?) and that Zero's true role is to wield that weapon to kill ALL PB (or only evil ones?) but Yuuki. Still, something may go wrong with Kaname's plan, maybe because of Yuuki's interference: if the only thing that prevents Zero from hating PB Yuuki is his memories of human Yuuki, what will Zero do if he truly becomes able to wield the weapon WITH all his hate for PB but WITHOUT his own memories?
    This is what I was thinking about while seeing Hino's art, but maybe those pictures are purely ornamental and without any hidden meaning. Still, Zero IS a living weapon – from Kaname's own words – so... we shall see if he's going to become suddenly useful in some way lol!

    Maybe I am thinking too much, or hino has too many loopholes in her story, but for hunters to use the new weapons, don’t they need to drink kaname’s blood? To create the bond which can allow them to wield the new weapons?

    Correct, and this implies that hunters MUST be there when he sacrifices himself. Or almost that the person/the people he wants to become the new hunter/hunters must be there. IF he truly wants to repeat the same kind of ritual. This way of thinking is nullified if he wants to do something different that was never shown in the story – or if, like you correctly said:

    hino can create the excuse that they being already hunters means they can wield any anti-vamp weapons

    But still, what is Zero's role in this? He's already a hunter, too lol!

     Even if some think that the creation of new ones is pointless, ruining the meaning of co-existence, I beg to differ. Imagine the real world without police. the hunters represent an authority, indispensable to the society. The vampires might learn to accept humans, not seeing them as mere food, but a bad apple might exist as well. The vampire society must be aware that going astray they might be punished. 

    But of course this is fiction, the author is hino, and if she wants the lakes and rivers to be filled with milk and not water, she can do it. she can create that perfect world where humans and vampires exist peacefully, no bad apple, the hunters not being needed anymore. 

    rofl The lakes and rivers really broke me up! You're right, but what I mean when I say – to re-present the same situation than before – is not that the weapons are useless or that they must absolutely not be created again. Obvioulsy bad apples exists. Still, Kaname's aim seems to reach some final solution, to put an end to bad apples forever. Putting an end may mean – erasing all bad apples, and in this situation maybe there won't be the need of the same amount of hunters/slaves than before. Obviously someone must deal with ex-human vampires and such, if Kaname couldn't find a final solution to these problems as well. What I mean is – we are not going to see exactly the same situation as before. HW HATED PB and this lead to her sacrifice, to her enslaving a whole bunch of people and going on a blind rampage in the end. Some different situation must be created – and cohexistence somewhat achieved – or there won't be any need to tell this story lol!


    But till drama will unfold – kaname throwing his heart, yuuki stopping him - Isaya might change his mind, and he being a substitute means he will become the new parent. probably because he doesn’t wish for his dear friends children to lose their lives.
    [...]
    To others the truth might hurt: she choose kaname over a future with zero; she choose death over a future with zero. 

    Totally co-sign here!!! cheers
    And your 3 opts for an ending are wonderful, too cheers

    @nina, again: Wonderful observations about bloodlust – reasons for Yuuki to erase Zero's memories AND to take her final decision cheers


    Why? Cuz in this world and not in an imaginary world she BELONGS to Kaname and only death could separate them! She can go on living without Zero but she cannot without Kaname! That’s the power and the beauty of Yume that I’m sure some fans will never admit or see!

    *APPLAUSE (with passion)*

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    If so; I cannot stop wondering now; IF and HOW Yuuki’s choice/interference can influence Kaname’s plans. (???) >>
    An amnesiac Zero has no reason to protect neither a human Yuuki...
    Not to mention that a PB Yuuki is a potential enemy for Zero. Thus until he regains his memory he could be a threat for Yuuki under some circumstances. So could be this a parameter that Kaname didn’t consider? Of course Yuuki as a human is running no danger from Zero but since I hardly can imagine that we won’t see any Zero until Yuuki become human again; that is until the end of Kaname’s plan; I wonder if Yuuki has already started messing up with Kaname’s plan. (???)

    I think so, as Kaname pointed out in the first arc multiple times that Zero would never betray Yuuki. But without his memories – who knows? That's exactly why Yuuki's act may affect Kaname's plan – and again, may Kaname be aware about this from his few remnants into Zero's body? I hope not – because only unknown variables can mess up his perfect plan – and save him.

    Yuuki as a human and Zero as a vampire is impossible. And we still missing a volunteer PB to turn Zero into a human as well, and I hardly can see anyone to taking this task

    lol! You're totally right here – or will Maria sacrifice for underdog Zero as well? I may be wrong, but I think that @aya-chan wanted to state her first two opts to underline their absurdity, and I think that we're both with you when you say


    Ergo IMO there is only two scenarios compatible with the main idea of coexistence:
    1. A Zeki by default with Yuuki as PB, Zero as hunter-vampire and Kaname dead as the parent metal.
    2. A Yume with Zero able to move on his life after he regained his memory. 

    The second one is perfect because it implies not only cohexistence – but also a growth of ALL main characters. And the Seven Gods only know, how much Zero needs to grow.

    Spoiler:

    And another thing to consider is; how Zero will feel about Yuuki’s interference after he’ll regain his memory? 
    Yuuki did what Zero hates most >> she “manipulated” him using her PB (arrogant as he says) powers over him. Even if she meant no harm but the contrary; still she decided for him without him. 
    And what about Zero’s queries, aims, needs and expectations from this supposedly common journey? 

    So; will he feel betrayed, angry, what? Or he’ll understand Yuuki’s motives?

    UNDERSTAND? Zero? The one who was angry with her because of her true nature – about which, she can't do anything but being herself? lol! Now that you pointed this out, I think he's going to take that stalactite and kill her no matter if he regains his memories or not lol! rofl as he's usually so sweet and understanding...

    @juliet, about your last post. Very good observations again: if he's really going to purge all PB, what will be the dangers for human Yuuki? Ex-human vampires? Then, he has to deal with them, too. And why didn't he simply let things go as they were going to be – that is, the fulfillment of his own plan, without him being involved at all?
    I must mumble about this a bit, so I'm going to disappear for another week or two lol! still, this is just another proof – if needed - that we still know very, very little about Kaname's true aim and plan.

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    Re: Vampire Knight 88 FULL RAWS AND TRANSLATION

    Post by mariangie on Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:12 am

    So Zero's role during the final chapters of V. K. is "I'M SEXY AND I'M KNOW IT ! " sFun_hailbig Or the same as the one he already fills since chapter 1 . drawling

    Now in a more serious note . What could be Zero's role in the next chapters ? Because he now has lost his memories of Yuuki . A thing to see is if he only lost his memories of human Yuuki . Or if he lost all his memories Yuuki - related . In the scenario he only lost Yuuki's memories as human . This could be the true proof if he loves Yuuki or not . Because if he discovers he loves the pureblood vampire Yuuki , his love is the real deal .

    But what I can imagine is Zero's next role is related to being one of the hunters who will be witness of Kaname's next anti - vampire furnace creation . Here is where he discovers the truth about what happened during the Shizuka / Zero incident and how Kaname was involved . With the possibility of Zero losing the last of his control when he discovers the truth wasn't what he thought to be . And start to become Level E . With Yuuki as part of preventing Zero to completely falling . Here is where Maria or Kaien could find the way to save Zero without Yuuki having to sacrifice herself to do so .



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    Re: Vampire Knight 88 FULL RAWS AND TRANSLATION

    Post by nina on Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:38 pm

    Duskola wrote: Alas, I'm not able to check the forum often in this period
    Hi Duskola ^^ … we missed you!
    Don’t worry dear … I’ll fill you in when you’ll have time (~_^)

    rofl Wall pic Zero: he's sexy and he knows it!!! That's why he's there! And I read so many reviews stating "I fell totally in love with Zero since the first page - I read VK only for Zero" that I'm starting to believe THIS is the real reason why his character was introduced rofl poor thing...

    mariangie wrote: So Zero's role during the final chapters of V. K. Is "I'M SEXY AND I'M KNOW IT ! "

    rofl rofl rofl A! well no job is a shame rofl rofl

    Okay back on serious mode lol

    Duskola wrote: Seriously. What I can't truly understand for now, and what's going to be the key to understand his aim for life lol! is his role in Kaname's plan. As I said before, Kaname wants Zero to be the perfect weapon to hate and kill ALL PB, with no liberation until death.

    Hm… I’m not so sure about that. At least I detect some inconsistencies/holes in what Kaname claimed about Zero’s role i.e. being a killing machine with endless hate towards the PBs. >>

    1. He claimed that he freed Shizuka in order to take her revenge by killing Zero’s family and as aftermath Zero to become that killing machine driven from pure hate.

    BUT as the story states in the extra chapter about Shizuka, she escaped from her cage WITH her human lover ALIVE!

    Here is a portion of Shizuka’s narration to Ichirou about her love story with the ex-human>>

    From the bonus chapter “The scarlet cherry blossoms scattered quietly” volume 8:
    (note: this extra chapter isn’t scanlated, so many on-line readers do not know this FACT thus cannot detect the hole into Kaname’s claims!
    @Duskola you have the volumes so you can look it up xd)

    Shizuka to Ichirou: He came with me (means her ex-human lover) when I proposed we run away together … but after that … what was waiting for him was…” (means his murder)

    -So; at that point, even if it was Kaname the one who freed her she had NO reason to seek revenge from the Kiryuus as Kaname said! >> I.e. hole #1
    Plus the way Kaname worded his claims showed hesitation and lack of certainty >>

    Kaname: To remove Shizuka-san’s grudge … NO It’s to hunt down a certain hunter couple.. >>> seems like Kaname is making up at that moment his answer…

    - The Kiryuus became a target for Shizuka AFTER her lover’s death which was the result of the alteration of the hunters’ list… a deed from Rido in collaboration with Ichio and the former HA’s president and not Kaname’s. << hole #2

    - Additionally Kaname couldn’t have predicted or controlled what kind of revenge Shizuka might have sought from the Kiryuus after her lover’s death… For example she might have killed ALL of them or never turn Zero into a vampire! Too much randomness there for being Kaname’s the cornerstone of his plans the turning of Zero into a vampire full of hate from Shizuka! >> hole #3

    2. What has stopped thus far Zero to become a ruthless killing machine? Weren’t his feelings for Yuuki? Wasn’t her care all these years which saved him from the darkness as he also admitted? Who placed Zero beside Yuuki???

    3. Sara wanted Zero to become a killing machine which would exterminate PBs as she told to Takuma.
    So why Kaname didn’t let her? Why he said “Disgusting … she gave her dirty blood to Zero” … why he didn’t let Zero to become the convenient weapon, as Sara wanted, to annihilate the PBs since supposedly this was also his plan for Zero?<< hole # 4?

    Hence all the above are making me very sceptical and hardly I can believe that Hino has so many holes in her script out of negligence.

    However the question remains; had Zero any specific role to play into Kaname’s plans in this second arc? Or his role was limited to what we knew from the 1st arc; i.e. being Yuuki’s shield till the end?

    Spoiler:

    Duskola wrote:
    aya-chan wrote: Maybe I am thinking too much, or hino has too many loopholes in her story, but for hunters to use the new weapons, don’t they need to drink kaname’s blood? To create the bond which can allow them to wield the new weapons?
    Correct, and this implies that hunters MUST be there when he sacrifices himself. Or almost that the person/the people he wants to become the new hunter/hunters must be there. IF he truly wants to repeat the same kind of ritual. This way of thinking is nullified if he wants to do something different that was never shown in the story – or if, like you correctly said:

    If Kaname’s aim is to become the new parent metal in order to replace the weapons I’m inclined towards this direction more >>

    aya-chan wrote: hino can create the excuse that they being already hunters means they can wield any anti-vamp weapons

    First because 10000 years ago there were no hunters at all. Hence there was a need to be created a new specie > the human-hunter, which would be able to wield the anti-vampire weapons. Thus the humans had to drink HW’s blood for that reason. Now this necessity is nullified.
    Additionally the link that was created between the HW, the weapons and the hunters through her blood in a sense had enslaved the hunters into an eternal hatred from which only Cross succeeded to escape.
    So now if new weapons will be forged it might be better the hunters not to drink the blood from the new parent-metal cuz they will be free to act based on their free will and not compelled from a bloody-curse as it was till now.

    If so; then also this gives to Hino’s/Kaname’s plan to repeat the ritual again, a different meaning and diversify it significantly from the past. Many of us had pointed out that something should change and for the hunters since their hatred was brake to a real coexistence. << This was my major objection regarding the creation of new weapons again cuz nothing would change at least as far as concerns the hunters.
    And if Kaname’s resolution is final then the hunters couldn’t be excluded.
    Thus if with the new ritual the hunters will be liberated then even the repetition takes a whole other meaning … it has substance at least from my POV since I had many objections about the repetition and its efficiency. But under this light I see a logical point now.

    Duskola wrote: UNDERSTAND? Zero? The one who was angry with her because of her true nature – about which, she can't do anything but being herself? lol! Now that you pointed this out, I think he's going to take that stalactite and kill her no matter if he regains his memories or not lol! rofl as he's usually so sweet and understanding...

    rofl yeah okay I’m with you but Zero has to man-up eventually and a part of maturation means also being able to understand what is happening and outside from your little-bitter world or else his character will be incomplete.

    mariengie wrote:What could be Zero's role in the next chapters ? Because he now has lost his memories of Yuuki . A thing to see is if he only lost his memories of human Yuuki . Or if he lost all his memories Yuuki - related . In the scenario he only lost Yuuki's memories as human . This could be the true proof if he loves Yuuki or not . Because if he discovers he loves the pureblood vampire Yuuki , his love is the real deal .

    In the erased memories I think there is a pic of the PB Yuuki as well … the one from when she was wounded from Touma.
    But I might be wrong lol.





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    Re: Vampire Knight 88 FULL RAWS AND TRANSLATION

    Post by KuranPrince on Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:46 am

    I'm back! Sorry that I wasn't online since my old hard drive had died on me.

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    Re: Vampire Knight 88 FULL RAWS AND TRANSLATION

    Post by mariangie on Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:47 am

    From Nina :

    mariengie wrote:
    What could be Zero's role in the next chapters ? Because he now has lost his memories of Yuuki . A thing to see is if he only lost his memories of human Yuuki . Or if he lost all his memories Yuuki - related . In the scenario he only lost Yuuki's memories as human . This could be the true proof if he loves Yuuki or not . Because if he discovers he loves the pureblood vampire Yuuki , his love is the real deal .


    In the erased memories I think there is a pic of the PB Yuuki as well … the one from when she was wounded from Touma.
    But I might be wrong lol.

    If Yuuki erased /drained all of her memories from Zero . As this was the most probable scenario as you said . I presume the only way for Zero to regain his memories . Is if Yuuki gives Zero to drink her blood again .

    Depending of what Hino intends as final chapters . There could be no need for Zero to regain his memories of Yuuki . For example if she wants to pull a Zeki final couple "we will met again " . Or if Zero somehow ends with Maria in a Yume end .

    But I suppose Zero's role now would be more related to him discovering the truth about Kaname's involvement in the Shizuka / Zero events . Could be now revealing his hate for all purebloods increases after losing Yuuki's memories . And Zero finally developing into Level E . As he has presented little clues of his mental and physical deterioration . If Yuuki removes not only her memories from Zero , but her blood as well . To garantee the optimal removal without a way for Zero to override the spell . Zero could have lost one of the controls he had to keep his Level E on check .

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    Re: Vampire Knight 88 FULL RAWS AND TRANSLATION

    Post by aya-chan on Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:36 pm

    mariangie wrote:And Zero finally developing into Level E . As he has presented little clues of his mental and physical deterioration . If Yuuki removes not only her memories from Zero , but her blood as well . To garantee the optimal removal without a way for Zero to override the spell . Zero could have lost one of the controls he had to keep his Level E on check .

    If you say that removing yuuki's blood from his system zero will fall to level E, then we're in contradiction.

    Yuuki's blood didn' bring zero stability; zero didn't fall to level E because of kaname's and ichiru's blood which contained shizuka's - he was stable before drinking yuuki's pureblood blood (at the end of the first arc).

    personally, I do not think yuuki influenced zero's stability. if zero will fall eventually to level E, it has nothing to do with yuuki's blood removed from his blood stream.

    and lastly, I doubt hino will now pull the card with zero falling to level E. we theorized a lot about yuuki using the bracelet to tame zero, and she already did it.

    And if zero will fall to level e, doesn't this mean the end of his life? once a former human will fall to level E, its no way turning back - it's the end for that vampire. if hino wants zero alive, then she cannot turn him to level E, and also she cannot save him either, since it will contradict the manga - level E means reaching the end, the destruction.

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