Here I am again
Yes, I write in episodes, and be grateful about this
... I now want to comment some of your wonderful posts!
Evil in love wrote:
Takuma will be the one who brings Yuuki and Kaname together... I have that feeling when I saw the cover
of vol 17
Besides the cover, very good observation here – everybody forgot about poor Takuma
and not only him – where did most of Academy fellows go?
What are Ruka, Kain and Aido doing? Hino is obviously concentrating on the three main chara as we are close to the end – still, I have the feeling that not only Isaya, but also some of the "second lines" will have a central role in the end. Or, in other words, that Hino willingly let a whole bunch of deus ex machina
(as @nina says) out of the plot for some time. So that she can make a real big TWIST in the end
We will all jump down from our sits
well – we shall see.
@juliet & nina:
Imagine yourselves knowing that your life shall end soon? this is so dramatic and fills everything with a nostalgia note. [...]
this is called desperation she sees no solution out of this[...]
what i see is a Yuuki saying goodbye to him (Zero) and mostly to all the other options that she may had; she still has options but she is choosing death. What are we talking about here?
where is the "I do not want to lose you"? if he is so important to her why is she chosing to save Kaname? just out of obligation?[...]
Yuuki is unstoppable, the same way that Kaname is, and determined to give an end, even if that end as Nina correctly mentioned does not benefit anyone else than Kaname (with the logic that he shall not be the metal and the vampire society can save itself...).
If we assume that the replacement of the weapons is a necessity for the co-existence (which personally finds me against but this is another story), Yuuki’s choice to stop Kaname from doing that, throws in the “garbage” everything else! In other words; she couldn’t care less for anything and anyone in front of saving Kaname!
At least I have said many times in the past that what I wanted to see from Yuuki is throwing herself into the fire for Kaname because he doesn’t deserve anything less… well now this is exactly what is determine to do.
I couldn't have explained myself better. The last three chapters are totally filled with her nostalgia and with her resolution to die.
What would anyone of us do, if we had the same resolution? Probably thinking about how things would have gone, if
– or showing the deepest affection to the ones we love the most. And this is exactly what Yuuki is doing right now.
AND as Kaname recently put on some big posters in front of her saying “I WILL SUCCEED TO THE ONE WHO SACRIFICED TO CREATE THE WEAPONS”
, well, even a more candid girl would have understood what he was going to do
– or would have feeled a very BAD feeling, at last. So, there's nothing left to defend
– as the evil villain PB, Sara, is finally dead – and it's plain that Kaname hasn't been killing PB for a while (anyway, did he killed so many of them? O_o Who did he kill, apart Hanadagi and Hiou – and, on top of that, why only the husband and not the wife?). So, even a naive girl like Yuuki can understand that his final plan isn't becoming a serial PB killer but sacrificing himself in the end
– as this is his biggest regret
(that we know so far )
. That's why I find very silly, to think that she's going to abandon the one she finally "understood to love" - that is, Zero – because she's compelled
to save – what?
If Kaname's aim is to create again the anti-vampires weapons, despite the pain this could give to her, she should know with the least effort of logic that his sacrifice is necessary
. She could at least think: "Oh no! I will throw myself at his place!"
but, no, she wants him alive and safe
(well, not so safe as a human – but this is another argument
). That is, she wants to give him a second chance, a relief after seeing all he's carrying inside. And that is >> HIS LIFE IS THE ONLY THING SHE WANTS TO SAVE. There's nothing else to defend in front of her eyes
. She's going to put the entire world in danger to achieve this goal
. AND nobody compells her
– if she truly hates Kaname, or has always been manipulated by him, his death would be but a relief. Especially
if she is a shallow, two timing girl
- and this finally gives her the choice to stay with the one she loves. But she doesn't. Why? Because she feels guilty?
Because she has to save big bro
Kaname – that she loved even when she was a child and she KNEW
he was her onii-sama
At last I get what Yuuki was looking for in the Kuran Manor. The location of the manor near the active lava place .
Before Yuuki make her final choice to turn Kaname human . She will expect Kaname to explain everything . So will get a flashback chapter before the end .
will expect this, damn! I WANT THIS FLASHBACK! Who cares about Yuuki? She doesn't have to understand anything, she just have to be useful and finally save him
AND if she wants to stop him – like she never could before – she must awake her true BIG power
, and I can't wait
(this is another common leitmotiv
, too – the true power of the heroine awakening in the end – and I hope it will be directly proportional to the waiting
Seriously, how is Yuuki supposed to know that he wants to throw himself in a volcano?
This is the only thing that makes me doubt about this "location" theory. She knows he wants to make a self-sacrifice, but she can't know how
– especially if we are saying that she won't be able to turn him into human, that she's not even able to erase Zero's memories properly, and that she's only a stupid PB teenager
so, if you think this is her chara, she can't be so sharp all at once – or is she?
Well, maybe she truly checked this location. But I keep thinking she also took something else
. We shall see.
Will Zero end the story as a vampire ? Has Hino forgotten the Level E issue?
But I don't see how Hino can ignore all that hints she gave before telling Zero could lose his humanity and become Level E .
You are right and I expect an explanation to this, too, especially when we've just suddenly seen the bracelet purpose realized
and as the bracelet was also connected, in the very first chapters of the first arc, to the level-Eness of Zero, and as Hino is truly closing the loopholes, I think we shall see soon, what's the consequence of Yuuki erasing his memories - if Level-E, or something else.
As for rido's nightmare: did he referred to the probable yuuki sacrifice?
If it's so – I personally find this far-fetched. As Rido talks about Yuuki being eaten
– so, suffering violence
– not suffering by her own will
. Or maybe that was only a nightmare, without any hidden meaning... Who knows.
- What was the purpose of that masquerade in the first place?
- What if Isaya had never held that party; then how Kaname would have said what he wanted to him? (that is if he indeed expresses a wish there lol)
- Obviously this party wasn’t a dangerous trap for Kaname but for Isaya … even though as it seemed Isaya had concluded that most likely if Kaname would have showed there he would be under friendly terms and not to harm him which proved as a right conclusion.
- In what way Yuuki or Zero had in mind to “immobilise” Kaname in order to question him huh?
- What about the answers that they supposedly would seek together?
- What Zero’s presence contributed after all in this last journey? Apparently nothing since neither he helped to “capture” Kaname nor Yuuki’s decision changed … a decision that was made from the moment she decided to leave the academy alone in the first place anyway.
*Groan* these are exactly the questions that filled my mind during these days. Especially Zero's role. She takes him with her only to leave him behind some days later?
O_O Oh well, but there was also the fact of the bracelet
maybe Hino suddenly noticed to have left behind a pack of things and decided to put them all in these three chapters
Well, I don't want to be as much conceited as the ones who keep stating Hino simply doesn't know how to do her own work. I'm just joking here, obviously
juliet wrote:@Duskola let's wait and see; why is Kaname bound to fulfill HW's wishes? was it because she reached her limits and went into a killing spree so that he is forced to replace her? did he know about that fact? what the HW's connection with the murder's of the purebloods? this is where the juicy part is hiding for me.
*Sigh* is truly something hiding? I'm starting to doubt it. Let's hope so.
I think the obvious explanation is that Isaya had no way to contact Kaname and one way to reach him was the party. I do not think that Kaname had wanted to contact him, i think that he turned up to see what was the call about, understanding that this was a call for something >
After all Kaname is too proud to ask anything himself, but then again it's his plan at stake too.
Excellent possible explanation here, but please let me add that – from a purely narrative POV – all this is a bit far-fetched. Especially if you (I mean, Hino) state for the whole story that PB are like gods on earth and can do everything with their powers
. And they can't even contact each other properly “Please, Isaya-kun, email me at email@example.com , thanks”
This gives me a faint hope that perhaps Kaname circles around finding a solution out of this condition as well. It is his style and we have seen it many times in the past to wait until the last moment in order to act > as in buying time or making a certainty that all actions are driven by necessity or to put it better >
Kaname's actions always reach a point in time where they are justified by an underlying necessity examples...
see...Yuuki's transformation, Rido's awakening, counci's death, Shizuka's murder and even his decision to go for Hanadagi...."It's time..."
You are right here. And let us not forget the “Don't hesitate” sentence he tells to Yuuki before abandoning her
. Don't hesitate to do what? To build a whole new life without him? Or to come and make something so that he can escape from his doom?
But this truly makes sense and gives an explanation to the reason why he didn't simply throw in the first fireplace all at once!
And this gives me some hope, too – that despite his icy looks – I was really hurted by his eyes in this chapters, if I was in Yuuki I would simply have committed suicide throwing myself from that same window
- that despite all his determination, he's also waiting something.
That something that made him go into slumber, that something he was waiting for. So, his decision may be not totally ultimate. Let's hope so.
Watch the panels that are in and between like interrupting the dialogue or hiding a part of it. I still want (personal choice) to have my hopes high that Isaya is talking about being the replacement of the metal >
I'm with you, Isaya's playing well his role on the chessboard and is not showing all his intents.
He wants to do something for the children of his friends – both of them - and what have Juuri and Haruka sacrificed their life for?
To see the two of them dying, or one of them human, without his/her own memories AND without the other one? Then why putting on their engagement? No, they wanted the two of them together
– Kaname says this to Yuuki after her awakening. AND Isaya knows this very well.
BUT. I have a but. As the biggest regret of Kaname
(that we know so far ) is someone else sacrificing at his place, wouldn't this be too cruel? I mean – if this is going to happen another time, will he be able to stand it?I think that someone – some "deus ex machina" or such – MUST break this cycle of eternal sacrifice. Or nobody will be completely happy in the end.
As @nina says:
If so; then again this entire act with the ball becomes even more meaningless at least regarding the rest of the plot i.e. was mainly staged from Hino to address the Zeki and close it there (at least in Yuuki’s mind) by creating an illusion with all these if(s) and maybe(s) that had to apply in order the Zeki to have had (maybe again) a potential in an alter universe.
Plus the solution of the weapons didn’t bring the desired coexistence … on the contrary with the flow of time we saw some clear samples of abuse of this power from the hunters against the vampires’ society, something that was preventing the coexistence to bloom.
Hm… hold that thought. I’ve been thinking too… what if Kaname’s plan isn’t to create new weapons? What if by throwing himself into the lava aims to accomplish something else??? Something that can affect only the PBs? Just a thought … I cannot elaborate it further lol
Anyway … we shall see.
And if for Yuuki there is a good excuse, that she ran out of alternatives; for Kaname there is none since in a world with PBs alive and him as the new metal the PB Yuuki would have been by far safer than being a vulnerable human girl who above all everybody would know her existence and her true nature!
It beats me! And frankly I hope that there is more behind all that!
So I wonder; how can Hino let her heroine to fail in the end??? Can she afford that; moreover since is common ascertainment that Yuuki thus far was totally overshadowed by the two boys?
Of course I do not mean that Yuuki’s success would have been to manage somehow and turn Kaname into a human lol but that she will succeed to stop him moreover if there will appear an alternative as “deus ex machina”
*Applause* AND I had thought about that, too, when I saw the volcano. I mean: either Kaname is thinking to leave this world in a very big, fetish and fireworks-y way or there's much more hidden – a special spell or something – that's not simply connected with the fact that the volcano won't lose heat for more than 10000 years
. I had thought something like ERASING
all the PB in some way – as he's the one saying this. But as he now has stated that he only wants to become the new parent... *sigh* I will comfort myself with your wonderful fanart
And you are right too. What would be, this safe place for Yuuki? Exactly the same as before? The Academy, with she-human attending it, some hunters here and there, Kaien keeping an eye on her, and suddenly some evil PB coming out of the blue, everybody perfectly knowing who she is? =.=
What kind of final solution would be? And despite the fact that Kaname leaves Vampire Knight Zero with her – Zero was with her even before
. So, I hope he's planning something better, as PB Yuuki is starting to show some strength at last – while human Yuuki was only a child to protect. Moreover, PB Yuuki can use weapons in their full forms – while human Yuuki couldn't
. I understand that female Kuran's line has this obsession with human fashions and habits – we see this in Juuri, too.
BUT what Juuri had in addition, was totally accepting her true nature. I would want to see this in Yuuki, too.
I mean, I'm a bit tired of her duality
– that is the element that takes to her confusing behaviour. The human years somehow “contaminated” her, and she's always divided – as in the Dilemma chapter – between what she was, and what she is. BUT – and this chapter explains this well – her humanity was an illusion
. It's time for her to wake up from the illusion and accepting her vampire powers and instincts. Or she will never be able to be Kaname's equal, and she has never needed to be equal to him like in this moment.
Yuuki, I like you, and I am confident. I'm sure you will realize that you've always been a PB before the ending. Let's go! You can do it!
Plus, there is usually a change in the end of plots like this – some epiphany, some break of the cycle
, like I said before. There IS a doom upon all the chara - until the end, in when the doom is broken. Has someone ever read Angel Sanctuary? Well, there is the story of two siblings falling in love, so – as this is a leitmotiv
in manga while we, Western people, can't stand the taboo
Well, if you read it, its ending is a perfect example of what I want to say.
(Obviously, my favourite chara dies in there, too).
A little observation that came suddenly to my mind: what about KANAME'S blood in Zero's body?
This could be another shield between him and Level-E – AND if Kaname can use his own power inside Zero's body, like he showed at the HA – could he be aware of what Yuuki is doing?
I mean, erasing the memories and such. Well, I dunno, but I'm glad that we're going to see what is there in that coffin
, at last!
I want them all as they are; this is the only way for the co-existence to be achieved. If there was not the matter with the co-existence that Hino sets from page 1, i would say "okay", but if the balance with the weapons is achieved, then why to turn into human anyway?
I think that Hino has stated herself that all three are necessary for the co-existence.
Fine of Fate wrote:
Hmm, anyone here read Umineko no Naku Koro Ni?
Added on my list!