Bloodredhead wrote:i havent read the whole thread but i wanted to give my opinion on the anti-vampire weapons.
in relation to BR responding and obeying kanames command in chapter 46. i'm wondering if BR took his blood just like it did with zero. in chapter 46 yuuki ask aloud why BR is drinking blood from zero. http://www.mangareader.net/104-2172-14/vampire-knight/chapter-46.html
i wonder if this happened with kaname when he used it in the past. it seems to me that BR needs blood to fuel its power, so it took from zero and may have taken from kaname in the past. that would explain why it would recognise kaname's blood. also he has the blood of the hooded lady in him and BR may also recognise this, as it was born from the furnace that had the HW blood and heart in.
I was examing the potentials of the anti-vampire drawing energy when they are used to kill
example bloody rose; ok it drains blood
kaname's sword; fries hands
but there is weapon that does not fall in this theory; artemis...when Yuuki hurts Rido, there is no side effect,so can that theory have grounds?
there's a theory I've mentioned in this thread before, the antivampireweapon requirement to take blood from its user is when the user KILLS someone with that weapon.
As we saw it was Zero's BR vines that finished Rido, not Yuki's scythe artemis which only stabbed him in the chest. The Scythe Artemis didn't have anymore kills after that, not that I recall, so its not sure whether it will take Yuki's blood if she kills someone.
now about BR gun form, you can reason that it has many kills in the past and if theory is applied it should siphon Zero's blood, but it doesn't do that.
But when BR was in vine form it siphoned Zero's blood after he killed Rido with it. So perhaps the form of the weapon has to do with it? The Forms
The first form of Artemis was Rod. -no kills
The secondary was Scythe. -this didn't kill anybody before so cant be determined
The first form of BR was Gun. -this killed many vampires but had no side effects to Zero
The secondary was Vines. - this killed Rido and has side effect.
Kuran sword perhaps has no form since it didn't evolve, so its considered to have both forms. Therefore if it kills anyone it would have an effect.
- Rido used it to stab the baby offering to ancestor - it didnt show if it had any effect on Rido's hand..
- it did not harm Rido when Kaname first used it, so no effect
- it killed Hanadagi when Kaname stabbed him in the chest with it - it had an effect, see the blood splash on Kaname's hand
- Kaname used it to chop Nagamichi's head - the effect continues and drains the blood on Kaname's hand until it looks shriveled.
*its not a burn injury, its more like the flesh looks necrotic which happens when there is no blood to that limb. This was discussed before at the beginning of the page so just look there~
Bloodredhead wrote:with kaname and the weapon he is carrying at the moment i'm unsure whether it is an anti-vampire weapon but then again he did kill aidou-dono with it so i think it might be.
yes he killed both hanadagi and nagamichi with it
Bloodredhead wrote:i'm not sure but i dont think all kurans can carry anti-vampire weapons. kaname was able to in the past, but when rido woke him with the blood of the baby, i wonder if that child didnt have the ability so its had an effect on kaname's. he's absorbed that blood and its inability to hold antivampire weapons, hence why the sword was affecting him and doesnt seem to like him holding it for long periods of time. just a thought.
its said that Kaname's revival was "incomplete" because of the process it took to revive him which was unusual. Kaname was in a deep hungered state enough that he might slaughter everyone in the mansion (including Juri and Haruka) to get his blood nourishment, so to prevent this Kaname regressed his body back to a baby. In a sense that canceled out the part where he should be fully nourished... this may have contributed to that.
Mmm it might be possible Kaname to have used the BR in the past hence and recognised the taste of his blood which might have sucked from him. But there is an interesting part … the BR obeyed Kaname and in the same time we could say he disobeyed Zero, viz his current owner/master in a sense. Why so? How it chose Kaname over Zero?
ooh you're right, Bloodyrose first took Zero's blood so it should know its the owner... however between the owner and the creator of a weapon, who would the weapon recognize more?
the BR probably passed ownerships countless of times through the years, but it will only have one creator and thats Kaname and the woman, so the weapon would recognize its voice more.
And I come again in my initial question … what if Hanadagi is the “source” of Kaname’s burn?
Juliet do you remember we have discussed the subject of the importance of Hanadgi’s role in ancestors’ times and the hints about his castle!??? http://vampireknight.all-up.com/t429p20-kaname-s-kuran-plan-of-action-is-heading-where
If as we suspected Hanadagi is not a “plain” PB then his extermination could have any relation with Kaname’s burn?
uh no. the Kuran sword did not only kill Hanadagi, it also killed Nagamichi. so there are two possible sources.