juliet! That is soo HUGE!
I'm already scared of you
you've done well to highlight your points
and nina...nice points!
you're a good observer. :3
ok about Yuki’s path
I'm a bit confused here, as Yuki said she already decided which path to take in Chapter 52
could this be what Kaname says "i already know the path you will take..?"
The question is … where is Hanadagi’s servant? She is the only one who could inform the hunters about Sara’s involvement … did they take her for interrogation? If not where did she go?
good point... smells like a glitch too. The hunters are normally nitpicking everyone present or related on the scene to get leads on their case, if they wanted evidence they should have found the girl (if she is present/alive).
The last time we saw from her she was wounded from an injury that Sara caused, but she was still alive and Sara did not kill her...I think she fled after she saw her master dead, she had plenty of time for that while Aido and Kaname talked.
… Cross said to Yuuki “he isn’t the same Kaname” … I have the feeling that Cross words and stance was to prevent Yuuki to go after him. Maybe he doesn’t know what exactly Kaname’s original plan is, but he might have a slight idea …
So does Nagamichi. A chapter before he died, he said to Yuki, “someone like you... can you really go against him/ stop him from now on? If you sense something wrong, I want you to reprimand him firmly” He had an idea that suggest Kaname was going to do something wrong, also, ever wonder why he made it his business to “chase” after Sara or know that she was wrong? Even the hunters don’t put her under surveillance means they are not confident enough she’s doing something bad, but Aido seems to have an idea. From what I know everyone thinks Sara is continuing Ouri's charity works.
If Aido knows something, who told him is the question. When Sara’s car rushed past him, he went after her like she was a criminal... Even went inside the Hanadagi castle. I have a feeling Aido and Kaname discussed a lot more than just what was shown prior to that.
A key point I think is Hanadagi’s past and his special PB ability … why Sara pick him? And it wasn’t an incidental choice cuz she had to kill Ouri in order to be able to pass the icy front of Hanadagi’s castle. Also why Kaname monitor his castle before Sara’s movements?
Maybe the castle has a special seal and can only be unleashed with Ouri power? Or Hanadagi has a special power? Could be. it is also very possible, perhaps hanadagi has special ability..
But Sara said Hanadagi heart will make her more powerful and that was what she wanted, she didn't say anything specific like "I got the power, now I can control the universe" sortofthing
, she just said, "i have power now". Doesn’t seem to be so special... maybe. i dont know..hm.
I think it’s fair enough to say that Hanadagi was currently the most potential target for anyone seeking power... He is sleeping alone (as was shown), with one guardian, with a seal that can be trespassed with enough power. Sara was said to be a “weak little girl” and she needed power to get started—Ouri provided this. The next step was to increase her power with barely doing anything... unlike Rido who can wield weapons, she only has her deceit as skill to ensure her success. She went for the most vulnerable pureblood and that was Hanadagi. <
Also, from the way Hanadagi referred to Sara as “weak, little girl” seems like he had a good background who she is in terms of prowess...Maybe they know each other in the past? ok, not maybe, but surely...he couldn't just tell her she is weak without knowing her. Also, it didn’t look to me that Hanadagi was a good pureblood, he seems to be at Sara’s level of wickedness, judging from his decision to take Aido’s life. However his guardian described him as not wanting to meddle in political affairs...he's probably neutral.
So 500 years ago before he slept he had met Sara before and knew her.. what happened that time?
Another point … I think that after Ruka’s and Akatsuki’s last report he had decided to kill Hanadagi and Aido-dono, cuz
a) he went there with the anti-vampire sword
b) he said to Yuuki that he will bring more unpleasant feelings to Ruka …
I suppose he was referring to Aidou-dono killing.
So I think it was everything decided in advance …
Yes this is also what i was thinking. weird that Kaname knew he was going to kill someone and brought the Kuran sword with him... Not any other weapon, but the Kuran sword. Probably he had been expecting it. It occurred to me the moment he stabbed Hanadagi was only when Aido was threatened to become a refreshment....that’s when kaname “tapped” his shoulder and stepped in. Like he had been watching the whole time. Of course it can be a coincidence too.
Also add Aido’s words to Yuki: “someone like you... can you really go against him/ stop him from now on? If you sense something wrong, I want you to reprimand him firmly” –he does sense something wrong with Kaname too. LOL characters should stop being cryptic already
“The decision I had taken in my first period of despair …” his plan is the same he had as ancestor, but for an unknown for us reason he felt despaired and went into slumber. But now he has motive again … he has Yuuki.
7. Contradictions …
juliet wrote:(my premonition LOL that the current nightclass will lead in the future the vampire society as the new council)....
It's almost the same desire with Haruka's father who abolished the monacrhy;
The grandfather's ideology as stated in the fanbook;
The kurans became the royal family, and they had full authority over everything.
The head of the Kuran familly two generations ago, (Haruka Kuran's father) did not want this. He summoned the Senate to make them govern vampire society instead.
The Senate was supposed to be a governing body where many vampires would discuss and decide matters peacefully rather than have the purebloods with absolute power rule by force. However, the organization is now a cruel institution that uses any method necessary to rule vampire society.
About Kaname's hesitation;
When Kaname visits the Senate he declares his intentions to change the way the vampire society is ruled by now - I believe that either Senate or Monarchy, Kaname goes against blind authority....
So his actions are set in this direction...
What keeps him back from fulfilling his plan? It seems to be the same with his motive to fulfill it...
Kaname went to sleep “with no intention of waking up”... however Rido as his “mirror” said “he was waiting for something
and it will never return, and that he hasn’t the slightest hope left”...
but Kaname was awakened... And now I think the decision he took when he despaired was his original plan, and he said he had hesitations but now he has finally decided.
Now apparently Kaname wanted to fullfil his plan...but priority was given to Yuuki as Rido's intervasion messes up all of their lives...and Kaname does whatever is possible to move in all directions...
Co-existence: Establishes Cross academy and cooperates with the hunters, to deteriorate the council's (Asato's original plans that resurected Rido to rule) influence on the academy...
Yuuki: Inevitably he has to change her back or she would go crazy. As she wants to remember of her past, the spell is breaking, Rido emerges, he is left with no options...
Elimination of the council and power restored; He kills the council, when he visits it as the scans show he is declaring his intentions to make his original plan come true this time;
his main concern no more bees that follow the Queen no matter what
Killing the senate was the first step to this (he says to the council before killing them, 'and you're going to be the first ones'), so this gives insight what he’s planning... his “original plan”. He also gives hint to what he plans through his words to Aido, “Who said purebloods can’t be harmed? Without purebloods you’re like bees without a queen...”
Juliet you're right there Kaname had plans to change vampire society, and I think he had been meaning to ever since he went to sleep. That "something" I believe Rido was referring to could be the "hope" that he wished to see would happen with the society, however little... When Kaname woke up again in such cruel circumstances, this didn't really help form his decision that society had changed... But then, Yuki was born and Kaname said, "I'm determined to protect this warmth from now on".
It's like both of you said, Yuki was one of his hesitations to carry out his original plan...but I think it's not the only one. His hesitations to carry this out must mean it is a terrible plan, somewhat, a big catastrophic plan that will mean no return, but Kaname is also hindered in part to carry this out.
Kaname has circumstances when he was reborn again in a new body...the limitations he had to manipulate to put on his favor... The fact Rido was his master required him to use Zero to kill him...actually I think he just found Zero's usefulness and brought it to the surface, but I don't think he planned to kill Rido until he found out he became troublesome and charged the academy, threatening to eat Yuki.
At that point, the corruption of the Senate was laid in full view to Kaname--Asato told him his wishes to get rid of Kaname so he could place Rido on his position...to put the senate in control of everything again, probably some kind of monarchy only with senate leading.
Kaname wanted to kill him but Takuma intervened.. then Kaname went to take out the council. Thoughts of Yuki didn't hinder Kaname from accomplishing this, Kaname said, "Sorry Yuki..I'm not a kind and gentle vampire at all"
This is why I think Yuki is just part of his hesitation, but it's not enough to hinder him from doing what needs to be done. Kaname apologizes in a similar manner after killing Aido and Hanadagi, "Sorry Yuki. goodbye.."
Kaname has hesitated for numerous reasons, because as Rido pointed out he had almost lost hope means he still had remaining left, that's why he waited for someone to wake him up eventhough he had no intention to (his contradictions). His original plan is probably something massive, instant or armageddon-like. And he didn't want it to happen not only for Yuki's sake as his beloved but for the others he trusted or for the society he once ruled... Maybe it's Kaname's hidden power, but there's something sure, he is not hesitating now.
Kaname said he went to the academy to return a favor and also it served as a place to get what he wants
return a favor- for kaien and juri, coexistence?
what he wants- yuki's protection, someone to kill rido (zero)
the pieces played into his hands perfectly and after that was over, Kaname placed yuki inside the mansion to continue teaching her the ways of a pureblood like Nina and Juliet pointed out, while he is trying to fix vampire society. Kaname said that coexistence won't happen over night,
it needs time...Still bad things happen one after another, Sara creates additional trouble and Touma attacks Yuki. I think Kaname got fed up and his hesitation grew thinner replaced by certainty. Now he is actively moving.
They agree to start over again...for Kaname it means more than it means to Yuuki because from now on they will move into new roles...all of Yuuki's believes will be challenged, she is going to meet Kaname from the start
He also says the world he lives in is different from how she sees it
yes... definitely challenged. kaname already tells her that the way she views the world is different from the way he sees it. Kaname has suffered centuries of despair and contradiction, while Yuki grew up pampered and loved knowing simplistic views and justice. That will surely be tried.
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