rumland wrote:As for conterdiction/gaps, I dont remember it saying straight out that kaname can weild the weapons, all it ever stated was he was the first to figure out how to make them and that the kuran line has had people who can use them, the rest of it is all just your opion or if you can show me a page saying flat out that he can weild them with out paying a price then I will withdraw my statement, but that page dont exist.
why don't you find the page that flat out proves your point first? otherwise it's just your opinion that "lightning means a sign of rejection".
That page where Yuki gets electrified and Kaname says artemis rejects her is not a flat out proof. Here's a possible contradiction to that:
no lightning effect.
Back to that page, Kaname said "Artemis was born without a handle. And it was born to completely reject vampires", he said this while yuki was being electrocuted. Artemis was born without a handle:
The 1st sentence is still debatable. So do artemis need to have a handle for it to be used by a pureblood like Yuki, on the premise that Yuki can wield avweapons? the answer showed itself when artemis conformed itself to Yuki's needs
The lightning (or "rejection" to you) happened when artemis was in rod or "no handle" form. It stopped ]electrocuting her when it changed form. The second time she also touched artemis there was no electricity. I don't think this has anything to do with rejection.. and if it is, it's a weird type of rejection wherein the weapon itself conforms to the user so it won't be rejected.
so now the weapon has a mind on its own and doesn't wish to be rejected by the one who uses it... about weapons having with or without handle..
Antivampire weapons were created for hunters use originally (look back chapter 64 during its creation) so the Kurans should not have this ability, but for some reason they have... hence the avweapons available to them is different from the hunters in that they are capable of using it despite being vampires. In short, the avweapons at their disposal has special properties. Artemis Rod form can be used by humans and hunters like yuki, but it can't be used by vampire yuki because it was born without a "handle", so when it changed its form into a scythe, it can be derived that artemis conformed to Yuki to create a "handle" for her (by literally changing its form), presuming artemis recognized her as Kuran and "capable" of wielding it. And it was born to completely reject vampires"
2nd sentence is a fact, all vampires except some of the Kurans cannot use antivampire weapons, Artemis is an av weapon hence it was born to reject all vampires
rumland wrote:You dont think his hand being burned pitch black is a sign of rejection? Realy?
Excludeing the earlyist of chapters all the vampires that have touched the artimist have caused the lightning effect, this includes zero and kaname as well as yuki when she first turned. Prior vampire yuki no lightning, vampire yuki lightning, which hurt her, then after words the lightning stops with her and se is able to use it.
Think of the lightning as a eltric fence, it is there to reject entry, now just cause it is eltrified dosen't mean it cant be climbed, you just have to be able to bare the pain, we know the lightning cause pain from yuki grabbing it after turning.
Now as far as the manga has shown the only thing that happens when the artimis is touched by the a vampire is the lightning, so it is common sence to assume that is the rejection feature.
that's ONE page proof for something you consider to be "common sence" when the lightning reaction has been seen on Zero, Yuki, and Kaname in the past.
as for kaname's hand there are many theories as to why the kuran sword reacts to him that way (see the link posted earlier about the thread discussing this)
I think the sword, like the rod form of artemis, was born without a handle, and it didn't evolve to its second form yet. hence the consistent lightning effect.
here we already saw second form of artemis (scythe) and bloodyrose (barrage of thorns).
in theory anyway. if it is, then why didnt it evolve yet or is there really a second form?