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    Who is best for Yuuki? Kaname or Zero?

    Post by juliet on Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:43 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    Who best fits Yuuki? Who is made for her? Zero Or Kaname? And why?



    OR




    I know both are Very Happy but what about what Yuuki needs?


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    Re: Who is best for Yuuki? Kaname or Zero?

    Post by Howl4fun on Fri Aug 26, 2011 12:32 am


    I think howl, what Nina and Aya meant is that a vampires fangs, naturally extend when taking blood. It’s how they feed, so why can yuuki’s fangs extending, be seen as anything different then her feeding like a natural and mature vampire, which she is? She isn’t a child anymore and has to take her blood by using her fangs. A lesson, Kaname had to teach her, for her own sanity and survival.

    Bloodredhead *hugs* You should have read my previous responds girl. I didn't mean anything special about the 'extended' part, I only addressed it when they said it sounded weird. Razz
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    Re: Who is best for Yuuki? Kaname or Zero?

    Post by mariangie on Fri Aug 26, 2011 8:53 am

    juliet wrote:
    ariel wrote:I read and i read all your posts, with numeral details and word interpretations, and truly, i was confused. This topic, has nothing to do with our wishes about the final pairing. It is but who is the best suited for Yuki.... Only under the prism of logic, we can come to a proper conclusion so i will completely take out the parameters of love.

    I' ve already state, that a PB is better suited to a PB. That is an undeniable fact.
    Then, i read somewhere that Zero is a human. I can't resist on some correction here. Zero is an ex-human, now being a vampire. Let me remind you one more detail... we don't know for sure, he is not falling on level-E. His potential affair with Yuki, can only bring in my mind lady Sizuka and her human lover. Zero, will always be in the need of her blood, not for the sake of love, but of the risk of falling on E level, and Yuki, should always protect him. Zero, according on Hino's writing, is an interdependent, proud young man and Yuki a fragile innocent girl. Do you think, they have a future together? INPO, must roll a lot of water under the bridge of time. For Zero, he has to compromise with his nature, his anger,his pride... For Yuki, to involve, to become stronger and surpass her love for Kaname.
    On the contrary,on her relationship with Kaname no special conditions are required.For them, being together, is the most natural thing. They are like the sun rising from the East...
    Hino, is still writing her story... we don't know the way she is going to end it. (So, we can all dream)....but... if Yuki was your best friend, what would be your advise?



    Okay, after the “extended” issue back to the subject…

    I am with you Ariel, love should flow natural, and who is best for Yuuki should be determined by who Yuuki truly loves, it has nothing to do if that person is vampire/vampire hunter/ ancestor or young and selfish. It has to do with what she wants and needs in order to make her happy. That’s the right man in any case, and in any case.
    How many movies or scenes have we watched where the couple has to overcome all difficulties like superstitions, misconceptions, oppositions or predispositions until they can finally be together? And if the external factors do not allow them to be together, then the end can be bitter and both dies (extreme cases) to declare the right to be together at least at death (if they cannot be together in life).
    But that’s another factor there that I see and recognize; the factors are external that prohibit love to bloom (at least in most cases) but not internal.
    For example one can love his enemy’s daughter but he LOVES her, he never denies that fact and the daughter loves him back also (love comes natural) or it takes little time to develop before the external factors come in and dissolve the dream of the two.
    In any case, most of the times, love is unconditional (I love you no matter who you are- what you are-where you came from) and it overcomes difficulties (no matter how hard it is I will try to follow you and be with you) and that makes a love epic in novels, common ingredients for a successful love story (depends on the writer) you will tell me, almost a cliché, but I guess that’s is about fantasy and fiction, it surpasses reality to add the extra flavor we miss in everyday life.

    So I guess if Yuuki can love Kaname despite being her ancestor, despite his sins of the past and present, if she wishes to follow him and withstand all difficulties that stand on her way to be with him, that simply declares how much she loves him.

    If Kaname is going to sacrifice himself to make a better world for her to live and to bloom, if he leaves aside his own desires for her to walk the path she wishes for and indirectly supports her, that’s an evidence of a real passionate and true unconditional love between two that love each other too much and are ready to surpass the limits for each other.
    This does not mean that all the above do not have a price- eventually- but I focus on the love part.

    The above characteristics I can see it in Yume, but if Yume is to face a Zeki, I need the equivalent elements that can persuade me that Yume is thin and pale next to Zeki. I would like to say that I wait and wait and wait and the clues that I pick up here and there are mostly a return back to the "age of innocence". How Hino will surpass Yume there? I have no idea.

    What can I said here . I mega - agree with both of you !

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    Juliet and Ariel , you nailed it . sBo_jumping sBo_jumping sBo_jumping

    This is about what Yume love is .

    Yuuki and Kaname end together at the first arc . But this didn't make them the final couple yet . As they are separated during the second one . So now Yuuki needs to restart her relationship with Kaname for returning as canon couple again . Most probably the rest of future events are related to how Yuuki and Kaname could resolve the odds against their love .

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    Re: Who is best for Yuuki? Kaname or Zero?

    Post by solar on Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:09 am

    Let's look at this page again.



    In this page, I blue-highlighted the areas about this piece of translation which was translated out from Chinese which in turn was translated from Japanese.

    "The moment I bit into Zero’s neck, my mind suddenly calmed down and my fangs extended for someone I had absolute no intention of drinking from."


    The problem is that no matter how accurate the translation was done from Chinese version, it was not translated out from the actual original Japanese source. Therefore, there's a very high possibility that this piece of translation would be off because it was translated out from Chinese idioms, which would only make sense to native Chinese but not English native speakers.

    So, let's take a look about these lines.

    零の首筋に牙を立てた瞬間
    - 零の首筋 = "Zero no kubisuji" = Zero's neck
    - 牙を立てた = "Kiba wo tateta" = struck fangs into (or bit into)
    - 牙を立てた is the past tense of 牙をたてる (Kiba wo tateru), see the English definition from online Japanese dictionary.


    Source: http://ejje.weblio.jp/content/%E7%89%99
    - 瞬間 = shunkan = the moment

    すっと頭が冷えた
    - すっと = Sutto = All of a sudden
    - 頭が冷えた = Atama ga hieta = head cooled down

    絶対に血を求めるつもりのない人に牙を立てた
    - 絶対に血を求めるつもりのない人= a person whom I never intend to wish for blood
    - 牙を立てた (Kiba wo Tateta) = struck fangs into (or bit into)
    - 牙を立てた (Kiba wo Tateta) is the past tense of 牙をたてる (Kiba wo Tateru), see the English definition from online Japanese dictionary.


    http://ejje.weblio.jp/content/%E7%89%99

    Do you all notice the words "牙を立てた" (Kiba wo Tateta) used twice here? See the ones red-highlighted in the VK scan at the top. Then, let's look at those lines translated from Chinese.


    "The moment I bit into Zero’s neck, my mind suddenly calmed down and my fangs extended for someone I had absolute no intention of drinking from."

    If we don't look at the original Japanese raw, everyone will think those words "bit into" and "my fangs extended for" actually come from two different words. The truth is it's not. It's the same word 牙を立てた - which meant "bit into" and not "extend" - said by Yuuki in that page. I hope this is clear to everyone. Smile

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    Re: Who is best for Yuuki? Kaname or Zero?

    Post by juliet on Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:28 am

    @ Solar thank you for the explanation...but due too many explanations I got more confused (LOL)..

    "The moment I bit into Zero’s neck, my mind suddenly calmed down and my fangs extended for someone I had absolute no intention of drinking from?"

    That's the japanese translation of the chinese text and the one closest to the original text that we have?

    I am confused..







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    Re: Who is best for Yuuki? Kaname or Zero?

    Post by solar on Fri Aug 26, 2011 1:34 pm

    Hello, Juliet:

    Long story short, 牙を立てた was used twice in Yuuki's thought. The actual meaning of 牙を立てた is "bite with fangs" or "strike fangs into" and is not "extending or growing her fangs with few more inches/cm in length". For more details, you will need to read my earlier post again.
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    Re: Who is best for Yuuki? Kaname or Zero?

    Post by nina on Fri Aug 26, 2011 8:51 pm

    solar wrote:Hello, Juliet:

    Long story short, 牙を立てた was used twice in Yuuki's thought. The actual meaning of 牙を立てた is "bite with fangs" or "strike fangs into" and is not "extending or growing her fangs with few more inches/cm in length". For more details, you will need to read my earlier post again.

    Thank you Solar for the clarification. Very Happy





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    Post by KuranPrince on Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:28 am

    Thanks for sharing the translation, Solar.
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    Re: Who is best for Yuuki? Kaname or Zero?

    Post by audraliann on Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:09 am

    I think that Kaname is the best fit for Yukie,but I think that she loves Zero more
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    Re: Who is best for Yuuki? Kaname or Zero?

    Post by sweetsolace on Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:27 am

    audraliann wrote:I think that Kaname is the best fit for Yukie,but I think that she loves Zero more

    no proof. except for the awkwardness and the hints. might as well be an imaginary hint.
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    Re: Who is best for Yuuki? Kaname or Zero?

    Post by Bloodredhead on Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:22 am

    Okay so I’m going to go over several points, factors and arguments to do with yume, that i have seen in this thread and others like it. I ask you to just be open-minded when reading this, as I know some of you might not agree with what I say, but it’s another perspective which is essential to the story. Here's why i belie Yuuki should be with Kaname.

    1) Love declarations.
    Both sides in Yume have openly declared their love for the other, and those around them knew they held the other in a very special place. Zero and Yori knew how Yuuki felt about Kaname, and Takuma, Kain and several of the other vampires, picked up how their leader paid special attention to Yuuki, and protected her. Remember Kain asking Kaname why he paid special attention to Yuuki? http://www.mangareader.net/104-2066-29/vampire-knight/chapter-5.html http://www.mangareader.net/104-2066-30/vampire-knight/chapter-5.html
    People noticed how they both treated the other above, and differently to everyone else.

    2) Protecting.
    Kaname has protected Yuuki from day one. He protected her from Rido when he attacked the Kuran mansion, he protected her from the vampire in the snow http://www.mangareader.net/104-2104-2/vampire-knight/chapter-11.html , he protected her when she went to meet and greet him in town by scaring the vampire away http://www.mangareader.net/104-2104-27/vampire-knight/chapter-11.html , he protected her by having her stay with Cross as his adopted daughter, he’s always been protecting her. Also Yuuki has protected him too. After Rido was defeated yagari pointed a gun at Kaname, who was the one to stand in front of Kaname? Yuuki http://www.mangareader.net/104-2173-27/vampire-knight/chapter-47.html . He might not have needed the protection, but the act itself showed she wished to protect him.

    Also everyone ‘has a go’ at Kaname for him keeping Yuuki in the Kuran mansion for a year when he had very good reasons for keeping her in, mainly her own protection. Firstly, for the first 6 months Yuuki was trying to get to grips with being a pureblood vampire, and was having difficulties with her human side http://www.mangareader.net/104-2178-28/vampire-knight/chapter-50.html . If Kaname had let her out then there would probably have been a high risk of her getting hurt or hurting someone else. To me both of these outcomes would not have been good. Secondly, the world outside wasn’t safe for Yuuki, this was proven when she first left the house and was wounded when attacked by another pureblood (Touma). She is basically a baby at the moment. She had only just accepted her vampire side, and started taking blood with her own fangs. So it was logical and natural for Kaname to keep her at the Kuran mansion safe until she could fend for herself, and until there was stability in the vampire community which he was working towards.

    3) Changes.
    Yuuki has loved Kaname at every turn of her own accord. When she was a child she wanted to be with him like her parents http://www.mangareader.net/104-2162-25/vampire-knight/chapter-36.html, when she was human (after forgetting who he was) she still wanted to be with him and fell in love, when she turned back into a pureblood she still loved him http://www.mangareader.net/104-2162-24/vampire-knight/chapter-36.html , and when he revealed who he really was Yuuki declared he was the only Kaname for her, http://www.mangareader.net/104-54910-15/vampire-knight/chapter-62.html so yeah she still loved him. Her love has stayed for him through all her changes and their relationship changes; to me that show’s she truly loves him.

    4) Acceptance.
    Yuuki has accepted Kaname when he told her of his, so called ‘sins’ and about his tainted hands. Yuuki then says she loves his hands, and if he is tainted then she wants to be tainted too, and fall to the farthest depths with him. Yuuki’s words not mine.
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2177-32/vampire-knight/chapter-49.html
    She also accepted him when she found out that he wasn’t her real brother. She didn’t reject him; she wishes to start again, which shows she is serious about their relationship. She wishes to start at a point where she knows who he really is, and build a relationship from her acceptance of who he is and on an equal level. Now if you didn’t love a guy and didn’t want to be with them, why bother restarting? With Kaname leaving it has put brakes on their restart, but it’s also given Yuuki the opportunity to sort her feelings for Zero and bring some form of closure on that. I see this as being beneficial to the Yume relationship, as Yuuki can then go after Kaname with a whole and open heart.

    5) Trust and belief.
    From what I’ve seen of Yuuki recently she still believes in Kaname and I think this is key. She has neither stated if she agrees or disagrees with his action recently, but she can’t really voice an opinion when she doesn’t know his plan. However her being angry and upset with Kaname allowing his name to be ‘dragged through the mud’ to me shows she believes he has the right intentions. She also doesn’t like seeing him being seen as a bad person.

    Kaname has also shown his trust in Yuuki by revealing his past to her. He put faith in her by letting her see his memories and declaring his ‘sins’ to Yuuki, even if it meant she wouldn’t touch him again, he wanted her to know. He basically left himself open and sort of vulnerable, which for him is quiet a big show of faith. http://www.mangareader.net/104-2177-20/vampire-knight/chapter-49.html
    It shows how serious he is about their relationship, as his character entails a very secretive nature. He doesn’t give much away due to his upbringing, his station and the world around him. Yet he has opened up to Yuuki a lot more than anyone else. Expecting him to come clean about everything at once would to me be too much, though he is opening up more and more with Yuuki. It shows growth in his trust and growth in how he views his relationship. One step at a time is good for building a solid, trustful and strong relationship.

    I will admit I think Kaname needs to open up even more and keep a lot less secrets, but I believe he will do in time.

    6) About HW.
    Now I do believe Kaname cared for her, and she is someone who was an important existence to him and probably still is in some respects. I don’t however what to address their relationship (as it’s a separate relationship), but I’d like to put my view of why I believe regardless of Kaname’s feeling for HW, he loves Yuuki more. One thing that makes me believe this is when Kaname asked Yuuki to give him a new name http://www.mangareader.net/104-58423-20/vampire-knight/chapter-66.html . Now if he cared more about HW, then why would he let something she had given him be changed? Things given to you by the one you truly love, you don’t just in effect give away, you strive to keep and protect them. To me the answer is simple, although he valued her; he values Yuuki more hence why, he was going to let Yuuki change his name. Her being comfortable and reassured means more to him then something given to him by HW. Just my perspective on the matter.

    Also in response to claims that Yuuki is just a replacement, I’ll quote Kaname here. “No person can be a substitute for another.” So I think he has answered that question himself.

    7) Goals.
    Both have similar goals. They wish for co-existence and to protect not just their loved ones but innocent people as well. Yuuki has shown this when Rido attacked instead of going to a safe place she stayed to protect the academy and its students (chapter 41). Kaname has shown this when he told ruka in chapter 74 to make sure the humans were kept away for their own protection.
    http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/74/29

    Both of them wish for vampires and humans to live peacefully side by side. Kaname helped found cross academy with Kaien cross, and Yuuki has always shown her support for vampires and humans to get along. So they are both working towards a common goal. To me it brings them closer together, and in a way they are in-sync with each other, in their beliefs and goals.

    Also one of Kaname’s goals has been to make it safe for Yuuki to be out in the world, and safe from harm. I know a lot of people go on about the image of Yuuki in chains, but they always fail to mention the other image that went with that one. (The one of Yuuki free with flowers.) http://www.mangareader.net/104-51058-5/vampire-knight/chapter-60.html Even though part of Kaname wishes to lock her up; he is working towards the other alternative where Yuuki is free. He is striving for this not the one of her being chained. That’s what counts. That is one of his goals.

    8 ) Family relationship.
    I know a lot of people don’t like the idea of the incest part of the yume relationship. So I wanted to point some things out that I think people should think about when going ‘eww’ at the idea.

    In vampire culture it is a common practice for families to inter marry. Vampires aren’t humans; they are beasts in the form of beautiful looking humans. Their culture and practices are very different, like many cultures around the world are different. Just because it isn’t common practice in your own culture, doesn’t make it wrong in another. And lest we forget that Yuuki is herself the offspring of an incest relationship.

    Also if we look back in history, many human families are inter-breed too. The royal family of England is a prime example, even today of this. So are many aristocratic families, as they wanted to keep their blood lines pure, just like the aristocratic vampires. We can frown upon it now, but it was common practice in human culture less than 150 years ago, and let’s not forget, the vampires traditions are old fashioned stemming from this sort of age when it was common practice. Just something I think we should think about.

    9) Flaws .
    Kaname – His major flaw is secrets. They can put a strain on the relationship and leave Yuuki in the dark, which isn’t the best of things. It sort of leaves her in the lurch.
    Yuuki – She needs to mature more as at the moment she depends too much on Kaname and also Zero. This dependence puts her at a disadvantage, as she can really not be Kaname’s equal if she can’t stand on her own two feet with him.

    10) Development.
    In the story I’ve seen Yume developed from a school girl crush, to them both wishing to be by the others side for the rest of eternity.

    I think at the start Yuuki’s feelings stemmed from Kaname being her saviour. Most girls dream of a handsome prince saving them from mortal peril when young, so it’s understandable she developed a crush early on. At the start Yuuki seemed overawed by Kaname, yet now Yuuki is talking to him a lot more freely and even standing up against him. Two cases of this was when Kaname said Zero was a suspect when that day class student’s blood was taken, and also when Ruka left the Kuran mansion after Yuuki should Aidou’s dad out. She’s been more assertive with him then she has previously, which show’s she has grown in the relationship and is become more his equal. She still needs more development and maturity yet to fully stand by his side, but I do believe she will get there in the end.

    Also Kaname has developed to in the relationship. At the start he did treat Yuuki like a child and a pampered princess really, he sort of tried to make her oblivious to the cruelties in the world, now he’s treating her more like an adult, he is not hiding her away from the cruelties as much anymore. He’s also being less secretive in certain respects so he has learned to open up to her, this to me is a good development and one that is still continuing.

    Conclusion
    There are flaws in Yume just like any other relationship. For them to be end game several things need to be resolved.
    1) Yuuki needs to resolve her relationship with Zero.
    2) Kaname needs to come clean about his plan and anything else he may be hiding, which could majorly affect their relationship.
    3) Yuuki needs to have some more confidence in herself and be more assertive if she wishes to be his equal. She’s made some steps already, but she needs some more growth yet.

    The reason I believe Yume is endgame is due to a number of reasons, mostly ones I have stated above, things such as their love declarations, acceptance, how they have gone through changes but their feelings have remained, if not perhaps got stronger, their developments and their common goals all lead me to seeing the advantages of this relationship and on the whole its strength to overcome obstacles.

    Sorry if it was a little all over the place, was trying to get everything in that I could think of. If I missed anything out I’ll add it later.
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    Re: Who is best for Yuuki? Kaname or Zero?

    Post by juliet on Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:38 am

    Bloodredhead wrote:Okay so I’m going to go over several points, factors and arguments to do with yume, that i have seen in this thread and others like it. I ask you to just be open-minded when reading this, as I know some of you might not agree with what I say, but it’s another perspective which is essential to the story. Here's why i belie Yuuki should be with Kaname.

    1) Love declarations.
    Both sides in Yume have openly declared their love for the other, and those around them knew they held the other in a very special place. Zero and Yori knew how Yuuki felt about Kaname, and Takuma, Kain and several of the other vampires, picked up how their leader paid special attention to Yuuki, and protected her. Remember Kain asking Kaname why he paid special attention to Yuuki? http://www.mangareader.net/104-2066-29/vampire-knight/chapter-5.html http://www.mangareader.net/104-2066-30/vampire-knight/chapter-5.html
    People noticed how they both treated the other above, and differently to everyone else.

    2) Protecting.
    Kaname has protected Yuuki from day one. He protected her from Rido when he attacked the Kuran mansion, he protected her from the vampire in the snow http://www.mangareader.net/104-2104-2/vampire-knight/chapter-11.html , he protected her when she went to meet and greet him in town by scaring the vampire away http://www.mangareader.net/104-2104-27/vampire-knight/chapter-11.html , he protected her by having her stay with Cross as his adopted daughter, he’s always been protecting her. Also Yuuki has protected him too. After Rido was defeated yagari pointed a gun at Kaname, who was the one to stand in front of Kaname? Yuuki http://www.mangareader.net/104-2173-27/vampire-knight/chapter-47.html . He might not have needed the protection, but the act itself showed she wished to protect him.

    Also everyone ‘has a go’ at Kaname for him keeping Yuuki in the Kuran mansion for a year when he had very good reasons for keeping her in, mainly her own protection. Firstly, for the first 6 months Yuuki was trying to get to grips with being a pureblood vampire, and was having difficulties with her human side http://www.mangareader.net/104-2178-28/vampire-knight/chapter-50.html . If Kaname had let her out then there would probably have been a high risk of her getting hurt or hurting someone else. To me both of these outcomes would not have been good. Secondly, the world outside wasn’t safe for Yuuki, this was proven when she first left the house and was wounded when attacked by another pureblood (Touma). She is basically a baby at the moment. She had only just accepted her vampire side, and started taking blood with her own fangs. So it was logical and natural for Kaname to keep her at the Kuran mansion safe until she could fend for herself, and until there was stability in the vampire community which he was working towards.

    3) Changes.
    Yuuki has loved Kaname at every turn of her own accord. When she was a child she wanted to be with him like her parents http://www.mangareader.net/104-2162-25/vampire-knight/chapter-36.html, when she was human (after forgetting who he was) she still wanted to be with him and fell in love, when she turned back into a pureblood she still loved him http://www.mangareader.net/104-2162-24/vampire-knight/chapter-36.html , and when he revealed who he really was Yuuki declared he was the only Kaname for her, http://www.mangareader.net/104-54910-15/vampire-knight/chapter-62.html so yeah she still loved him. Her love has stayed for him through all her changes and their relationship changes; to me that show’s she truly loves him.

    4) Acceptance.
    Yuuki has accepted Kaname when he told her of his, so called ‘sins’ and about his tainted hands. Yuuki then says she loves his hands, and if he is tainted then she wants to be tainted too, and fall to the farthest depths with him. Yuuki’s words not mine.
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2177-32/vampire-knight/chapter-49.html
    She also accepted him when she found out that he wasn’t her real brother. She didn’t reject him; she wishes to start again, which shows she is serious about their relationship. She wishes to start at a point where she knows who he really is, and build a relationship from her acceptance of who he is and on an equal level. Now if you didn’t love a guy and didn’t want to be with them, why bother restarting? With Kaname leaving it has put brakes on their restart, but it’s also given Yuuki the opportunity to sort her feelings for Zero and bring some form of closure on that. I see this as being beneficial to the Yume relationship, as Yuuki can then go after Kaname with a whole and open heart.

    5) Trust and belief.
    From what I’ve seen of Yuuki recently she still believes in Kaname and I think this is key. She has neither stated if she agrees or disagrees with his action recently, but she can’t really voice an opinion when she doesn’t know his plan. However her being angry and upset with Kaname allowing his name to be ‘dragged through the mud’ to me shows she believes he has the right intentions. She also doesn’t like seeing him being seen as a bad person.

    Kaname has also shown his trust in Yuuki by revealing his past to her. He put faith in her by letting her see his memories and declaring his ‘sins’ to Yuuki, even if it meant she wouldn’t touch him again, he wanted her to know. He basically left himself open and sort of vulnerable, which for him is quiet a big show of faith. http://www.mangareader.net/104-2177-20/vampire-knight/chapter-49.html
    It shows how serious he is about their relationship, as his character entails a very secretive nature. He doesn’t give much away due to his upbringing, his station and the world around him. Yet he has opened up to Yuuki a lot more than anyone else. Expecting him to come clean about everything at once would to me be too much, though he is opening up more and more with Yuuki. It shows growth in his trust and growth in how he views his relationship. One step at a time is good for building a solid, trustful and strong relationship.

    I will admit I think Kaname needs to open up even more and keep a lot less secrets, but I believe he will do in time.

    6) About HW.
    Now I do believe Kaname cared for her, and she is someone who was an important existence to him and probably still is in some respects. I don’t however what to address their relationship (as it’s a separate relationship), but I’d like to put my view of why I believe regardless of Kaname’s feeling for HW, he loves Yuuki more. One thing that makes me believe this is when Kaname asked Yuuki to give him a new name http://www.mangareader.net/104-58423-20/vampire-knight/chapter-66.html . Now if he cared more about HW, then why would he let something she had given him be changed? Things given to you by the one you truly love, you don’t just in effect give away, you strive to keep and protect them. To me the answer is simple, although he valued her; he values Yuuki more hence why, he was going to let Yuuki change his name. Her being comfortable and reassured means more to him then something given to him by HW. Just my perspective on the matter.

    Also in response to claims that Yuuki is just a replacement, I’ll quote Kaname here. “No person can be a substitute for another.” So I think he has answered that question himself.

    7) Goals.
    Both have similar goals. They wish for co-existence and to protect not just their loved ones but innocent people as well. Yuuki has shown this when Rido attacked instead of going to a safe place she stayed to protect the academy and its students (chapter 41). Kaname has shown this when he told ruka in chapter 74 to make sure the humans were kept away for their own protection.
    http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/74/29

    Both of them wish for vampires and humans to live peacefully side by side. Kaname helped found cross academy with Kaien cross, and Yuuki has always shown her support for vampires and humans to get along. So they are both working towards a common goal. To me it brings them closer together, and in a way they are in-sync with each other, in their beliefs and goals.

    Also one of Kaname’s goals has been to make it safe for Yuuki to be out in the world, and safe from harm. I know a lot of people go on about the image of Yuuki in chains, but they always fail to mention the other image that went with that one. (The one of Yuuki free with flowers.) http://www.mangareader.net/104-51058-5/vampire-knight/chapter-60.html Even though part of Kaname wishes to lock her up; he is working towards the other alternative where Yuuki is free. He is striving for this not the one of her being chained. That’s what counts. That is one of his goals.

    8 ) Family relationship.
    I know a lot of people don’t like the idea of the incest part of the yume relationship. So I wanted to point some things out that I think people should think about when going ‘eww’ at the idea.

    In vampire culture it is a common practice for families to inter marry. Vampires aren’t humans; they are beasts in the form of beautiful looking humans. Their culture and practices are very different, like many cultures around the world are different. Just because it isn’t common practice in your own culture, doesn’t make it wrong in another. And lest we forget that Yuuki is herself the offspring of an incest relationship.

    Also if we look back in history, many human families are inter-breed too. The royal family of England is a prime example, even today of this. So are many aristocratic families, as they wanted to keep their blood lines pure, just like the aristocratic vampires. We can frown upon it now, but it was common practice in human culture less than 150 years ago, and let’s not forget, the vampires traditions are old fashioned stemming from this sort of age when it was common practice. Just something I think we should think about.

    9) Flaws .
    Kaname – His major flaw is secrets. They can put a strain on the relationship and leave Yuuki in the dark, which isn’t the best of things. It sort of leaves her in the lurch.
    Yuuki – She needs to mature more as at the moment she depends too much on Kaname and also Zero. This dependence puts her at a disadvantage, as she can really not be Kaname’s equal if she can’t stand on her own two feet with him.

    10) Development.
    In the story I’ve seen Yume developed from a school girl crush, to them both wishing to be by the others side for the rest of eternity.

    I think at the start Yuuki’s feelings stemmed from Kaname being her saviour. Most girls dream of a handsome prince saving them from mortal peril when young, so it’s understandable she developed a crush early on. At the start Yuuki seemed overawed by Kaname, yet now Yuuki is talking to him a lot more freely and even standing up against him. Two cases of this was when Kaname said Zero was a suspect when that day class student’s blood was taken, and also when Ruka left the Kuran mansion after Yuuki should Aidou’s dad out. She’s been more assertive with him then she has previously, which show’s she has grown in the relationship and is become more his equal. She still needs more development and maturity yet to fully stand by his side, but I do believe she will get there in the end.

    Also Kaname has developed to in the relationship. At the start he did treat Yuuki like a child and a pampered princess really, he sort of tried to make her oblivious to the cruelties in the world, now he’s treating her more like an adult, he is not hiding her away from the cruelties as much anymore. He’s also being less secretive in certain respects so he has learned to open up to her, this to me is a good development and one that is still continuing.

    Conclusion
    There are flaws in Yume just like any other relationship. For them to be end game several things need to be resolved.
    1) Yuuki needs to resolve her relationship with Zero.
    2) Kaname needs to come clean about his plan and anything else he may be hiding, which could majorly affect their relationship.
    3) Yuuki needs to have some more confidence in herself and be more assertive if she wishes to be his equal. She’s made some steps already, but she needs some more growth yet.

    The reason I believe Yume is endgame is due to a number of reasons, mostly ones I have stated above, things such as their love declarations, acceptance, how they have gone through changes but their feelings have remained, if not perhaps got stronger, their developments and their common goals all lead me to seeing the advantages of this relationship and on the whole its strength to overcome obstacles.

    Sorry if it was a little all over the place, was trying to get everything in that I could think of. If I missed anything out I’ll add it later.

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    Re: Who is best for Yuuki? Kaname or Zero?

    Post by Bloodredhead on Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:15 pm

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    Re: Who is best for Yuuki? Kaname or Zero?

    Post by nina on Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:16 pm

    Bloodredhead wrote:Okay so I’m going to go over several points, factors and arguments to do with yume, that i have seen in this thread and others like it. I ask you to just be open-minded when reading this, as I know some of you might not agree with what I say, but it’s another perspective which is essential to the story. Here's why i belie Yuuki should be with Kaname.

    1) Love declarations.
    Both sides in Yume have openly declared their love for the other, and those around them knew they held the other in a very special place. Zero and Yori knew how Yuuki felt about Kaname, and Takuma, Kain and several of the other vampires, picked up how their leader paid special attention to Yuuki, and protected her. Remember Kain asking Kaname why he paid special attention to Yuuki? http://www.mangareader.net/104-2066-29/vampire-knight/chapter-5.html http://www.mangareader.net/104-2066-30/vampire-knight/chapter-5.html
    People noticed how they both treated the other above, and differently to everyone else.

    2) Protecting.
    Kaname has protected Yuuki from day one. He protected her from Rido when he attacked the Kuran mansion, he protected her from the vampire in the snow http://www.mangareader.net/104-2104-2/vampire-knight/chapter-11.html , he protected her when she went to meet and greet him in town by scaring the vampire away http://www.mangareader.net/104-2104-27/vampire-knight/chapter-11.html , he protected her by having her stay with Cross as his adopted daughter, he’s always been protecting her. Also Yuuki has protected him too. After Rido was defeated yagari pointed a gun at Kaname, who was the one to stand in front of Kaname? Yuuki http://www.mangareader.net/104-2173-27/vampire-knight/chapter-47.html . He might not have needed the protection, but the act itself showed she wished to protect him.

    Also everyone ‘has a go’ at Kaname for him keeping Yuuki in the Kuran mansion for a year when he had very good reasons for keeping her in, mainly her own protection. Firstly, for the first 6 months Yuuki was trying to get to grips with being a pureblood vampire, and was having difficulties with her human side http://www.mangareader.net/104-2178-28/vampire-knight/chapter-50.html . If Kaname had let her out then there would probably have been a high risk of her getting hurt or hurting someone else. To me both of these outcomes would not have been good. Secondly, the world outside wasn’t safe for Yuuki, this was proven when she first left the house and was wounded when attacked by another pureblood (Touma). She is basically a baby at the moment. She had only just accepted her vampire side, and started taking blood with her own fangs. So it was logical and natural for Kaname to keep her at the Kuran mansion safe until she could fend for herself, and until there was stability in the vampire community which he was working towards.

    3) Changes.
    Yuuki has loved Kaname at every turn of her own accord. When she was a child she wanted to be with him like her parents http://www.mangareader.net/104-2162-25/vampire-knight/chapter-36.html, when she was human (after forgetting who he was) she still wanted to be with him and fell in love, when she turned back into a pureblood she still loved him http://www.mangareader.net/104-2162-24/vampire-knight/chapter-36.html , and when he revealed who he really was Yuuki declared he was the only Kaname for her, http://www.mangareader.net/104-54910-15/vampire-knight/chapter-62.html so yeah she still loved him. Her love has stayed for him through all her changes and their relationship changes; to me that show’s she truly loves him.

    4) Acceptance.
    Yuuki has accepted Kaname when he told her of his, so called ‘sins’ and about his tainted hands. Yuuki then says she loves his hands, and if he is tainted then she wants to be tainted too, and fall to the farthest depths with him. Yuuki’s words not mine.
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2177-32/vampire-knight/chapter-49.html
    She also accepted him when she found out that he wasn’t her real brother. She didn’t reject him; she wishes to start again, which shows she is serious about their relationship. She wishes to start at a point where she knows who he really is, and build a relationship from her acceptance of who he is and on an equal level. Now if you didn’t love a guy and didn’t want to be with them, why bother restarting? With Kaname leaving it has put brakes on their restart, but it’s also given Yuuki the opportunity to sort her feelings for Zero and bring some form of closure on that. I see this as being beneficial to the Yume relationship, as Yuuki can then go after Kaname with a whole and open heart.

    5) Trust and belief.
    From what I’ve seen of Yuuki recently she still believes in Kaname and I think this is key. She has neither stated if she agrees or disagrees with his action recently, but she can’t really voice an opinion when she doesn’t know his plan. However her being angry and upset with Kaname allowing his name to be ‘dragged through the mud’ to me shows she believes he has the right intentions. She also doesn’t like seeing him being seen as a bad person.

    Kaname has also shown his trust in Yuuki by revealing his past to her. He put faith in her by letting her see his memories and declaring his ‘sins’ to Yuuki, even if it meant she wouldn’t touch him again, he wanted her to know. He basically left himself open and sort of vulnerable, which for him is quiet a big show of faith. http://www.mangareader.net/104-2177-20/vampire-knight/chapter-49.html
    It shows how serious he is about their relationship, as his character entails a very secretive nature. He doesn’t give much away due to his upbringing, his station and the world around him. Yet he has opened up to Yuuki a lot more than anyone else. Expecting him to come clean about everything at once would to me be too much, though he is opening up more and more with Yuuki. It shows growth in his trust and growth in how he views his relationship. One step at a time is good for building a solid, trustful and strong relationship.

    I will admit I think Kaname needs to open up even more and keep a lot less secrets, but I believe he will do in time.

    6) About HW.
    Now I do believe Kaname cared for her, and she is someone who was an important existence to him and probably still is in some respects. I don’t however what to address their relationship (as it’s a separate relationship), but I’d like to put my view of why I believe regardless of Kaname’s feeling for HW, he loves Yuuki more. One thing that makes me believe this is when Kaname asked Yuuki to give him a new name http://www.mangareader.net/104-58423-20/vampire-knight/chapter-66.html . Now if he cared more about HW, then why would he let something she had given him be changed? Things given to you by the one you truly love, you don’t just in effect give away, you strive to keep and protect them. To me the answer is simple, although he valued her; he values Yuuki more hence why, he was going to let Yuuki change his name. Her being comfortable and reassured means more to him then something given to him by HW. Just my perspective on the matter.

    Also in response to claims that Yuuki is just a replacement, I’ll quote Kaname here. “No person can be a substitute for another.” So I think he has answered that question himself.

    7) Goals.
    Both have similar goals. They wish for co-existence and to protect not just their loved ones but innocent people as well. Yuuki has shown this when Rido attacked instead of going to a safe place she stayed to protect the academy and its students (chapter 41). Kaname has shown this when he told ruka in chapter 74 to make sure the humans were kept away for their own protection.
    http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/74/29

    Both of them wish for vampires and humans to live peacefully side by side. Kaname helped found cross academy with Kaien cross, and Yuuki has always shown her support for vampires and humans to get along. So they are both working towards a common goal. To me it brings them closer together, and in a way they are in-sync with each other, in their beliefs and goals.

    Also one of Kaname’s goals has been to make it safe for Yuuki to be out in the world, and safe from harm. I know a lot of people go on about the image of Yuuki in chains, but they always fail to mention the other image that went with that one. (The one of Yuuki free with flowers.) http://www.mangareader.net/104-51058-5/vampire-knight/chapter-60.html Even though part of Kaname wishes to lock her up; he is working towards the other alternative where Yuuki is free. He is striving for this not the one of her being chained. That’s what counts. That is one of his goals.

    8 ) Family relationship.
    I know a lot of people don’t like the idea of the incest part of the yume relationship. So I wanted to point some things out that I think people should think about when going ‘eww’ at the idea.

    In vampire culture it is a common practice for families to inter marry. Vampires aren’t humans; they are beasts in the form of beautiful looking humans. Their culture and practices are very different, like many cultures around the world are different. Just because it isn’t common practice in your own culture, doesn’t make it wrong in another. And lest we forget that Yuuki is herself the offspring of an incest relationship.

    Also if we look back in history, many human families are inter-breed too. The royal family of England is a prime example, even today of this. So are many aristocratic families, as they wanted to keep their blood lines pure, just like the aristocratic vampires. We can frown upon it now, but it was common practice in human culture less than 150 years ago, and let’s not forget, the vampires traditions are old fashioned stemming from this sort of age when it was common practice. Just something I think we should think about.

    9) Flaws .
    Kaname – His major flaw is secrets. They can put a strain on the relationship and leave Yuuki in the dark, which isn’t the best of things. It sort of leaves her in the lurch.
    Yuuki – She needs to mature more as at the moment she depends too much on Kaname and also Zero. This dependence puts her at a disadvantage, as she can really not be Kaname’s equal if she can’t stand on her own two feet with him.

    10) Development.
    In the story I’ve seen Yume developed from a school girl crush, to them both wishing to be by the others side for the rest of eternity.

    I think at the start Yuuki’s feelings stemmed from Kaname being her saviour. Most girls dream of a handsome prince saving them from mortal peril when young, so it’s understandable she developed a crush early on. At the start Yuuki seemed overawed by Kaname, yet now Yuuki is talking to him a lot more freely and even standing up against him. Two cases of this was when Kaname said Zero was a suspect when that day class student’s blood was taken, and also when Ruka left the Kuran mansion after Yuuki should Aidou’s dad out. She’s been more assertive with him then she has previously, which show’s she has grown in the relationship and is become more his equal. She still needs more development and maturity yet to fully stand by his side, but I do believe she will get there in the end.

    Also Kaname has developed to in the relationship. At the start he did treat Yuuki like a child and a pampered princess really, he sort of tried to make her oblivious to the cruelties in the world, now he’s treating her more like an adult, he is not hiding her away from the cruelties as much anymore. He’s also being less secretive in certain respects so he has learned to open up to her, this to me is a good development and one that is still continuing.

    Conclusion
    There are flaws in Yume just like any other relationship. For them to be end game several things need to be resolved.
    1) Yuuki needs to resolve her relationship with Zero.
    2) Kaname needs to come clean about his plan and anything else he may be hiding, which could majorly affect their relationship.
    3) Yuuki needs to have some more confidence in herself and be more assertive if she wishes to be his equal. She’s made some steps already, but she needs some more growth yet.

    The reason I believe Yume is endgame is due to a number of reasons, mostly ones I have stated above, things such as their love declarations, acceptance, how they have gone through changes but their feelings have remained, if not perhaps got stronger, their developments and their common goals all lead me to seeing the advantages of this relationship and on the whole its strength to overcome obstacles.

    Sorry if it was a little all over the place, was trying to get everything in that I could think of. If I missed anything out I’ll add it later.

    Thank you Blood for the terrific post!!!! sFun_hailbig





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    Re: Who is best for Yuuki? Kaname or Zero?

    Post by KuranPrince on Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:19 pm

    Bloodredhead wrote:Okay so I’m going to go over several points, factors and arguments to do with yume, that i have seen in this thread and others like it. I ask you to just be open-minded when reading this, as I know some of you might not agree with what I say, but it’s another perspective which is essential to the story. Here's why i belie Yuuki should be with Kaname.

    1) Love declarations.
    Both sides in Yume have openly declared their love for the other, and those around them knew they held the other in a very special place. Zero and Yori knew how Yuuki felt about Kaname, and Takuma, Kain and several of the other vampires, picked up how their leader paid special attention to Yuuki, and protected her. Remember Kain asking Kaname why he paid special attention to Yuuki? http://www.mangareader.net/104-2066-29/vampire-knight/chapter-5.html http://www.mangareader.net/104-2066-30/vampire-knight/chapter-5.html
    People noticed how they both treated the other above, and differently to everyone else.

    2) Protecting.
    Kaname has protected Yuuki from day one. He protected her from Rido when he attacked the Kuran mansion, he protected her from the vampire in the snow http://www.mangareader.net/104-2104-2/vampire-knight/chapter-11.html , he protected her when she went to meet and greet him in town by scaring the vampire away http://www.mangareader.net/104-2104-27/vampire-knight/chapter-11.html , he protected her by having her stay with Cross as his adopted daughter, he’s always been protecting her. Also Yuuki has protected him too. After Rido was defeated yagari pointed a gun at Kaname, who was the one to stand in front of Kaname? Yuuki http://www.mangareader.net/104-2173-27/vampire-knight/chapter-47.html . He might not have needed the protection, but the act itself showed she wished to protect him.

    Also everyone ‘has a go’ at Kaname for him keeping Yuuki in the Kuran mansion for a year when he had very good reasons for keeping her in, mainly her own protection. Firstly, for the first 6 months Yuuki was trying to get to grips with being a pureblood vampire, and was having difficulties with her human side http://www.mangareader.net/104-2178-28/vampire-knight/chapter-50.html . If Kaname had let her out then there would probably have been a high risk of her getting hurt or hurting someone else. To me both of these outcomes would not have been good. Secondly, the world outside wasn’t safe for Yuuki, this was proven when she first left the house and was wounded when attacked by another pureblood (Touma). She is basically a baby at the moment. She had only just accepted her vampire side, and started taking blood with her own fangs. So it was logical and natural for Kaname to keep her at the Kuran mansion safe until she could fend for herself, and until there was stability in the vampire community which he was working towards.

    3) Changes.
    Yuuki has loved Kaname at every turn of her own accord. When she was a child she wanted to be with him like her parents http://www.mangareader.net/104-2162-25/vampire-knight/chapter-36.html, when she was human (after forgetting who he was) she still wanted to be with him and fell in love, when she turned back into a pureblood she still loved him http://www.mangareader.net/104-2162-24/vampire-knight/chapter-36.html , and when he revealed who he really was Yuuki declared he was the only Kaname for her, http://www.mangareader.net/104-54910-15/vampire-knight/chapter-62.html so yeah she still loved him. Her love has stayed for him through all her changes and their relationship changes; to me that show’s she truly loves him.

    4) Acceptance.
    Yuuki has accepted Kaname when he told her of his, so called ‘sins’ and about his tainted hands. Yuuki then says she loves his hands, and if he is tainted then she wants to be tainted too, and fall to the farthest depths with him. Yuuki’s words not mine.
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2177-32/vampire-knight/chapter-49.html
    She also accepted him when she found out that he wasn’t her real brother. She didn’t reject him; she wishes to start again, which shows she is serious about their relationship. She wishes to start at a point where she knows who he really is, and build a relationship from her acceptance of who he is and on an equal level. Now if you didn’t love a guy and didn’t want to be with them, why bother restarting? With Kaname leaving it has put brakes on their restart, but it’s also given Yuuki the opportunity to sort her feelings for Zero and bring some form of closure on that. I see this as being beneficial to the Yume relationship, as Yuuki can then go after Kaname with a whole and open heart.

    5) Trust and belief.
    From what I’ve seen of Yuuki recently she still believes in Kaname and I think this is key. She has neither stated if she agrees or disagrees with his action recently, but she can’t really voice an opinion when she doesn’t know his plan. However her being angry and upset with Kaname allowing his name to be ‘dragged through the mud’ to me shows she believes he has the right intentions. She also doesn’t like seeing him being seen as a bad person.

    Kaname has also shown his trust in Yuuki by revealing his past to her. He put faith in her by letting her see his memories and declaring his ‘sins’ to Yuuki, even if it meant she wouldn’t touch him again, he wanted her to know. He basically left himself open and sort of vulnerable, which for him is quiet a big show of faith. http://www.mangareader.net/104-2177-20/vampire-knight/chapter-49.html
    It shows how serious he is about their relationship, as his character entails a very secretive nature. He doesn’t give much away due to his upbringing, his station and the world around him. Yet he has opened up to Yuuki a lot more than anyone else. Expecting him to come clean about everything at once would to me be too much, though he is opening up more and more with Yuuki. It shows growth in his trust and growth in how he views his relationship. One step at a time is good for building a solid, trustful and strong relationship.

    I will admit I think Kaname needs to open up even more and keep a lot less secrets, but I believe he will do in time.

    6) About HW.
    Now I do believe Kaname cared for her, and she is someone who was an important existence to him and probably still is in some respects. I don’t however what to address their relationship (as it’s a separate relationship), but I’d like to put my view of why I believe regardless of Kaname’s feeling for HW, he loves Yuuki more. One thing that makes me believe this is when Kaname asked Yuuki to give him a new name http://www.mangareader.net/104-58423-20/vampire-knight/chapter-66.html . Now if he cared more about HW, then why would he let something she had given him be changed? Things given to you by the one you truly love, you don’t just in effect give away, you strive to keep and protect them. To me the answer is simple, although he valued her; he values Yuuki more hence why, he was going to let Yuuki change his name. Her being comfortable and reassured means more to him then something given to him by HW. Just my perspective on the matter.

    Also in response to claims that Yuuki is just a replacement, I’ll quote Kaname here. “No person can be a substitute for another.” So I think he has answered that question himself.

    7) Goals.
    Both have similar goals. They wish for co-existence and to protect not just their loved ones but innocent people as well. Yuuki has shown this when Rido attacked instead of going to a safe place she stayed to protect the academy and its students (chapter 41). Kaname has shown this when he told ruka in chapter 74 to make sure the humans were kept away for their own protection.
    http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/74/29

    Both of them wish for vampires and humans to live peacefully side by side. Kaname helped found cross academy with Kaien cross, and Yuuki has always shown her support for vampires and humans to get along. So they are both working towards a common goal. To me it brings them closer together, and in a way they are in-sync with each other, in their beliefs and goals.

    Also one of Kaname’s goals has been to make it safe for Yuuki to be out in the world, and safe from harm. I know a lot of people go on about the image of Yuuki in chains, but they always fail to mention the other image that went with that one. (The one of Yuuki free with flowers.) http://www.mangareader.net/104-51058-5/vampire-knight/chapter-60.html Even though part of Kaname wishes to lock her up; he is working towards the other alternative where Yuuki is free. He is striving for this not the one of her being chained. That’s what counts. That is one of his goals.

    8 ) Family relationship.
    I know a lot of people don’t like the idea of the incest part of the yume relationship. So I wanted to point some things out that I think people should think about when going ‘eww’ at the idea.

    In vampire culture it is a common practice for families to inter marry. Vampires aren’t humans; they are beasts in the form of beautiful looking humans. Their culture and practices are very different, like many cultures around the world are different. Just because it isn’t common practice in your own culture, doesn’t make it wrong in another. And lest we forget that Yuuki is herself the offspring of an incest relationship.

    Also if we look back in history, many human families are inter-breed too. The royal family of England is a prime example, even today of this. So are many aristocratic families, as they wanted to keep their blood lines pure, just like the aristocratic vampires. We can frown upon it now, but it was common practice in human culture less than 150 years ago, and let’s not forget, the vampires traditions are old fashioned stemming from this sort of age when it was common practice. Just something I think we should think about.

    9) Flaws .
    Kaname – His major flaw is secrets. They can put a strain on the relationship and leave Yuuki in the dark, which isn’t the best of things. It sort of leaves her in the lurch.
    Yuuki – She needs to mature more as at the moment she depends too much on Kaname and also Zero. This dependence puts her at a disadvantage, as she can really not be Kaname’s equal if she can’t stand on her own two feet with him.

    10) Development.
    In the story I’ve seen Yume developed from a school girl crush, to them both wishing to be by the others side for the rest of eternity.

    I think at the start Yuuki’s feelings stemmed from Kaname being her saviour. Most girls dream of a handsome prince saving them from mortal peril when young, so it’s understandable she developed a crush early on. At the start Yuuki seemed overawed by Kaname, yet now Yuuki is talking to him a lot more freely and even standing up against him. Two cases of this was when Kaname said Zero was a suspect when that day class student’s blood was taken, and also when Ruka left the Kuran mansion after Yuuki should Aidou’s dad out. She’s been more assertive with him then she has previously, which show’s she has grown in the relationship and is become more his equal. She still needs more development and maturity yet to fully stand by his side, but I do believe she will get there in the end.

    Also Kaname has developed to in the relationship. At the start he did treat Yuuki like a child and a pampered princess really, he sort of tried to make her oblivious to the cruelties in the world, now he’s treating her more like an adult, he is not hiding her away from the cruelties as much anymore. He’s also being less secretive in certain respects so he has learned to open up to her, this to me is a good development and one that is still continuing.

    Conclusion
    There are flaws in Yume just like any other relationship. For them to be end game several things need to be resolved.
    1) Yuuki needs to resolve her relationship with Zero.
    2) Kaname needs to come clean about his plan and anything else he may be hiding, which could majorly affect their relationship.
    3) Yuuki needs to have some more confidence in herself and be more assertive if she wishes to be his equal. She’s made some steps already, but she needs some more growth yet.

    The reason I believe Yume is endgame is due to a number of reasons, mostly ones I have stated above, things such as their love declarations, acceptance, how they have gone through changes but their feelings have remained, if not perhaps got stronger, their developments and their common goals all lead me to seeing the advantages of this relationship and on the whole its strength to overcome obstacles.

    Sorry if it was a little all over the place, was trying to get everything in that I could think of. If I missed anything out I’ll add it later.


    What you have described about the 10 things along are 100% true. That's by far the BEST I've ever read, Red. Two thumbs up for you all the way!!!!!
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    Post by mariangie on Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:18 am

    Bloodredhead , about your Yume post from 9 / 6 / 11 .

    What can I say ? Wonderful post !

    I loved it !

    Very clear . Strong facts . Top arguments .

    Very difficult to argue against your points .

    You deserve a ten .

    I like to see someone trying to prove you wrong here ! ha-ha-ha

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    Bloodredhead. Your long Yume post, I just have to say this as well:

    Wow! That is the most amazing post I have ever seen! sFun_hailbig sFun_hailbig sFun_hailbig sFun_hailbig

    You really nailed it. I can't see any way that someone can argue with that!

    It's such a wonderful post and extremely logical. LOVE IT!
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    Post by Bloodredhead on Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:13 am

    @Nina and Kuran prince: Thanks guys! sLo_BigBearHug

    mariangie wrote:Bloodredhead , about your Yume post from 9 / 6 / 11 .

    What can I say ? Wonderful post !

    I loved it !

    Very clear . Strong facts . Top arguments .

    Very difficult to argue against your points .

    You deserve a ten .

    I like to see someone trying to prove you wrong here ! ha-ha-ha


    Thanks maria!!! sLo_BigBearHug

    Divine Rose wrote:Bloodredhead. Your long Yume post, I just have to say this as well:

    Wow! That is the most amazing post I have ever seen! sFun_hailbig sFun_hailbig sFun_hailbig sFun_hailbig

    You really nailed it. I can't see any way that someone can argue with that!

    It's such a wonderful post and extremely logical. LOVE IT!

    Thanks! I'm glad you liked it. I think i got everything covered in it. Very Happy
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    @Bloodredhead: You're welcome. Very Happy And I do believe you got everything covered.

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    hey guys i am zeki .....thats all mwah
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    tsundereluver wrote: hey guys i am zeki .....thats all mwah

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    tsundereluver wrote: hey guys i am zeki .....thats all mwah

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    Post by Lisi on Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:32 pm

    Yuki can't decide so she should take both.
    It's good for co-existence and they can make a threesome. Razz

    But the best for Yuki is definitively Kaname.
    With him, she can spend eternity.
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    tsundereluver wrote: hey guys i am zeki .....thats all mwah

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    tsundereluver wrote: hey guys i am zeki .....thats all mwah


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