sweetsolace wrote: I'm wondering about the bolded part, as it seems she is willing to stake that as well? She had bit Zero knowing all that? This makes me think about what you said later here, if Zero really left her no option for refusal. So its not true that she actually has a decision with the matter.
I’m wondering too. To tell you the truth, my impression is that Yuuki’s clarity and judgement at the moment are a mess … her needs, her wishes, her thoughts, her decisions and her actions are controversial …
I agree there, Yuki's hurting him more by going for his neck. If what they have is unrequited love then this would certainly be a lot more painful for Zero if Yuki went for his neck, the most intimate spot, in her bloodlust craze, not love, if after she bites him, she still chooses Kaname. That would be more painful, imo. This reminds me of what juliet said somewhere here, that perhaps Yuki going for his neck might mean she is repaying him for the hurt he's also given her--of course this is just me thinking lol but its an idea for a parody of the chapter lol
Haha … I had something else in mind when I said that Yuuki by jumping on his throat most likely will hurt him more, but eventually what you said could be another reason.
I was thinking mostly Zero’s past experience … he became a vampire by a bite on his neck … also Shizuka bit him again when he was immobilized and Yuuki was there and begged Shizuka to stop hurting Zero. So in short he has a trauma and Yuuki knows it. Ergo the words “we keep hurting each other” and “we are always like this” the moment she jumps on him I think it might have this meaning. Yuuki will hurt him again and she knows it or at least that could be a logical assumption from her point of view.
However Yuuki is not Shizuka … but as I said before we should look Yuuki’s words and actions under the light of the impression she probably has for Zero. She thinks that at least a part of him hates her … hates the PB Yuuki … so a bite on his neck by a PB could awake bad memories for him …
So the only thing that could sugar her jump would be to tell to him that she loves him, but I don’t think this is possible especially for the time being.
knightmare wrote: Saying that to Kaname was cruel and selfish, she knew that at the time, but that still doesn't make them any less true. Breaking her promise to Kaname minutes after making it was naive and weak.
Her words were childish/selfish and excessive/terrible things … for me this is an updated insight of how Yuuki feels NOW about her OLD statement.
Also this doesn’t mean that her attachment to Zero as a beloved person vanished, but maybe only her impression that she can’t be quenched fully from Kaname’s blood. Are two different things.
She is breaking her decision not to take blood from anybody else under a coercion … Zero didn’t left her any other option there.
But as I said above … for me Yuuki’s behaviour is weird and she contradicts her self.
Zero offered the blood, her hesitation was over that-taking the blood. There's nothing to suggest that Yuuki thinks/believes taking blood from his neck would hurt him more, so there's no conflict. This is afterall, about what Yuuki thinks. She's still just taking what he offered, his blood. She gave in, in spite of the hurt it causes, she might as well take what she wants with her fangs.
I actually think she's wrong and that Zero isn't hurt at all by his offering of blood or having Yuuki drink his blood, because he didn't have to do it. I think Yuuki is being oversensitive. Unless she is actually smart enough to recognise the cycle they are plunging themselves into hurts each other, based on past experience.
I answer above to sweetsolace why I think Yuuki it might hurt him more by jumping on his neck << from her point of view.
It wasn’t hesitation … it was a clear and loud rejection …
Zero: Drink it my blood (he bites his wrist letting his blood flow, before even talks to her << viz he’s doing it on purpose to narrowing her options)
Yuuki: Turns her head away (showing refusal)
Zero: If you continue being like this, fooling around (or a coward) I will smash your school-game right now
Yuuki: I can’t take it … I don’t wish for such thing (2nd refusal)
Zero: Then I’ll smash it … you who let your true desires show on your face, shouldn’t be entrusted with their business (I guess he means the DC/NC)
Yuuki: Treasure your self more
Yuuki’s thoughts (I’ll rephrased to convey better the context)>>> why we are always like this … we can’t move forward but we only hurt EACH OTHER >> takes his wrist closer, hesitates and then jumps on his neck thinking “we are always like this Zero”
If you want to believe that ONLY Yuuki thinks that she’ll hurt Zero and she isn’t hurt from him then I can’t force you, to.
For me it’s crystal clear what Yuuki means by saying we are always hurt EACH OTHER, we are always like this Zero …
Yuuki's monologue is rather peculiar, I'm waiting on a decent translation to make sense of it. But it sounds like its once again Yuuki is acting weaker than she is, acting like she can't do anything, when she actually can. It annoys me, cos its the total opposite of the shounen hero who believes he can do anything by himself and with his friends' help in spite of overwhelming odds. I only compare because Yuuki is so powerful, but weak minded.
I have a pretty good idea from Yuuki’s monologue. But as I said above I think she is a mess … and I’m saying that not only judging from her current contradictions but also by comparing the Yuuki at the HQ and her first days in the academy with the Yuuki now, especially after Sara’s arrival at the academy.
At first she showed confidence and strength whereas now seems like a totally different person, weak, disorientated, lost …
I call Yuuki selfish, because she's acting on her own desires. Yuuki's statement that she wants to talk to him like before, is because she needs Zero. She wants to use him like she used to, but she shouldn't rely on him when she has Kaname. This is what Maria points out to Yuuki, Yuuki doesn't need Zero, because she belongs to Kaname.
I only partly agree with you … the fact that she has Kaname doesn’t mean that she doesn’t need or she shouldn’t need, her best friend by her side, especially now that she has difficulties and she’s all alone. But yes considering that Zero has romantic feelings for her, is a selfish wish to go back the way they used to be. On the other hand Yuuki seems like she believes that Zero has no longer such feelings … naïve yes, but his whole hostile attitude towards her, convinced her for the opposite.
Yuuki's purposely blind to Zero's feelings about her, she "believes" that he no longer "desires" her, so she can't be worried about not answering his feelings, so she can't be running from him to protect his unrequited feelings. So running away now is for her sake, to protect herself or to protect him from her, from her using him/taking from him. or both.
She wants to run away from him because she is hurting of the way their relationship is (enemies) and cuz she believes that Zero hates her because she is a PB<< viz she is hurting him back with her presence.
She says so, referring on their relation … “something is broken and I could do nothing to fix it”. However a sec later she is expressing that wish.
But don’t tell me that the fact that she rejected him as a man didn’t put an extra burden on her shoulders or a shadow over their relationship! I think most of us would have such an example from our lives … we know that isn’t only difficult for the person who’s been rejected, but and for the other party.
And btw I thought that the majority of Zekis supported that Yuuki is the one who should make the first step in order to restore their relation or their communication at least. Now what happened? Yuuki is doing the first step; she is roughly rejected and now is again the one who’s wrong here … ????
Actually it does, because Zero hurt her last time. But anyway, she's well aware of his attitude and she doesn't give a hoot about the NC, he can't hurt her with that blackmail, so how did he hurt her? Her pride? By telling her what she already knows? I'm seriously trying to see how he hurts her, all I can see is thats she is hurting for him and what he wants her to do.
Actually, since she's talking about moving forward, she could be hurt because he doesn't respond to her desire to go back to things as they were, but I don't really think so because thats just selfish.
Zero constantly is hurting her … he is hostile, rough and he is mocking her. The fact that he pointed a gun towards her is huge yes, but isn’t the only thing that he did … is like you’re supporting that if a person had been beaten up badly in the past can’t be hurt from a lesser blow … I can’t follow your logic.
And how you conclude that she doesn’t give a hoot about the NC? On the contrary … she says that it would be easier for her to run away but she’s afraid of what will happen with her NC if she does so … I can’t understand where you based your assumption. ???
You can’t see how he is hurting her cuz you can’t/want to see his coercion. And yes the fact that she honestly tells him that she wants to restore their relationship and he treats her the way he did is hurtful. Selfish or not is hurtful.
I think Zero is just rash and foolish. He just reacts without thinking. He's always thrown himself completely into whatever path he's chosen this week. He might be booksmart and talented, but he's not clever. I don't expect anything deeper than what we see here. Someone who thinks Yuuki's current crazies need a pint of blood to get herself together and cares enough to give it to her.
If so, then his coercion is double worse than it seems to be. But I expect that there are more things behind his action and he was implying Sara … Sweetsolace
I agree with you.
Yuuki wants to restore their previous status viz being friends again like they used to be (<< that’s what she says to herself and to Zero openly).