I am talking about Kaname’s plan and not the actual script and the course that is going to take. Sorry if that is not obvious.
are you kidding me?? you just made a clear path FROM Kaname's plan indications that somehow ended in Kaname's death, and you're telling me you were just talking about Kaname's plan? lol if you're not predicting then did you just define
what Kaname's plan is??? And are you SURE it will happen?
You seem to disagree with Yuuki’s importancy but why?
no I didn't disagree, I was questioning her importancy as heroine of the story. She has to redeem herself as the main character, and only killing Kaname doesn't make sense for me.
Apparently there are two ways for kaname;
One to prohibit
her to walk that path and keep her to himself (but in that way he would
make her unhappy; chained Yuuki in image with Rido) and one to support
her (happy Yuuki smiling with the vase). But isn’t the last image (the
free Yuuki) the one in /kaname’s mind that shall bring her the ultimate
I think that Kaname thinks that her happiness is
indentified with that role. Perhaps Kaname sees that in their eternal
time, this task is far more important, than binding down Yuuki with him.
Remember what he said to Kaien; “Yuuki has chosen her own path, I have no means to bind her”.
still shows his perception that Yuuki will need to achieve her goals in
order to be happy. But again, I just say I think that this is his
those were his contradictions, and it helped him decide his next moves--which was to let her go.
yes, he said "I no longer have the means to bind her to me". What are the means
he was talking about? chains, padlocks, his love? and was Yuki bound to him? was Kaname enforcing her to do household chores like Kaien does to keep her occupied, and therefore bound to him? How is he binding her?
Kaname was the one who said before, "Yuki I already know which path you will take.. You have held this hands for so long.."
And now he's saying, "Yuki has already chosen her path" --But what IS her path?
path to freedom? is that what she wanted? Its what Kaname decided.
Also see that its Kaname who decided this, not her. He tells her he knows which path she will take, but he also forces
her to go on this path by leaving her. The path was forced onto her--Kaname left her and she's forced to be with Kaien and Zero, Kaname tells lies and kills, pitting Yuki to decide to stop him. Its a path he decided
she would take, a path he influenced her to take, and a path she had no decision over.
But do we really know what she's going to do? No. We only know she will stop him--HOW? It doesn't convince me, she can't even do anything to the hunters--when in fact she can control them as a pureblood. And yet she fears for her life while with them, too peace-loving Yuki.
I said in my post that Kaname wants to be seen by Yuuki as as if he is a threat to co-existence.
never said that his actions are NOT leading to co-existence,
the questions were things that needed
to be answered by Yuki or anyone, not specifically you. It questions the logic
of his actions---if he's indeed planned to kill himself by Yuki's hands because he's demoralizing her, as your post keep reiterating.
wants to protects Yuuki, he needs co-existence and if he wants
co-existence he also needs Yuuki safe because I believe that she will
become the main pillar,for me that’s one and the same.
So how can it
be that Kaname does not support co-existence when he is going extreme
in order to keep Yuuki safe but also innocent from the crimes that he is
we're actually NOT SURE of what Kaname's saying, if its a game or its for real. He is so cryptic so Im actually wondering how you can sound certain it would be that simple for him. Obviously he's willing to go through all of this to achieve something, the question is what is that? and how it ties to the events? The path of "Yuki will kill him" only answers one set of questions--what about the rest? whats the volcano for, what does he plan to do with Sara, Isaya or Kaien? What did he plan for Yuki? He says he hesitated in his original plans before and now he's resuming it-- BUT is killing all purebloods just that or is that only a facade, a prologue to his Original Plans? And will this O.P. bring coexistence? is he planning coexistence? do you know?
is it still about Yuki or his O.P.? if its about Yuki, how?
this questions need to be answered.
She already is, it’s actually Kaname that opened for her the way
to become his substitute as with his absence, the hunters passed the
Kuran’s legacy to her shoulders. So the typical part has been fulfilled.
Yuuki is now the representative of the peace treaty, and stands
where he stood. We all know that she has taken that role in order to
preserve the prosperity of the vampires, and we all know that she wants
to try and prove herself at that field.
BUT WHO is leading the night class now? Not Yuki, SARA
. she lost by CHARISMA alone. Rima herself says she needed it to lead. she doesnt have it.
And she still hasn't noticed she is doing her blood tablets right under her. And you say that she is the substitute for Peace? O_o
What was the RESPONSE of Yuki soliciting help from the nobles? They were actually reluctant because of Kaname's actions outside, how do you say he had facilitated her entry to become "his substitute" when he did not prepare or aided it by his present actions?
Kaien was the one who forced her to do Kuran responsibility, to keep her away as you have once said , if Kaname predicted this too then he's going risky here, he left her in a daycare center to be cared for and play with other children---I don't see Yuki being a good leader when she's weak, presently, she needed to drink blood because she cant tolerate tablets, she lacked charisma to lead, her name as Kuran is presently not helping. Her leadership is presently being challenged and even MOCKED. I don't see this as a productive step towards leadership, but more like a daycare center where she is left out of Kaname's path while he goes on to his job.
So what Kaname’s last message to Kaien: “I killed Ouri, I am
coming for Sara..” conveys? When he knows that he does not just say that
to Yuuki but to the current representative of the peace treaty?
I think that his intention to be perceived as the enemy of co-existence
is obvious. And that’s the problem that I see here; because he does not
limit himself to her protection but he tries to invade her ideals, her
role, her responsibilities and challenges to choose.
it is like I said previously, we have to ask ourselves what coexistence means right now in vampire knight. If purebloods go down, that will mean peace, right? Tell me im not wrong. Purebloods ARE most often the antagonist in the story. The hunters even liked the idea, but Kaien does not. why Kaien hates it? it means killing and it goes against his school's ideology to try to live together. Yuki goes against it because it kills even the innocent ones.
Kaien and Yuki's solution is to herd a pack of vampires and humans to show living together is possible, in short they want a REPEAT of THE FIRST ARC---PREFECTS SECRECY galore, meanwhile hiding existence of vampires to humans. BUT where is the PUREBLOODS in this HERD, the purebloods which Kaname is addressing? The nobles say purebloods can only fight purebloods, the hunters don't do anything to enforce law on the purebloods, and now Kaname is killing them ITS WRONG? Now this goes back to the question, if Kaien and Yuki thinks its wrong then whats the solution?
Yuki's grimreaper service, come all who wants to die I will give it to you
? Yagari also said the same thing after the ball incident, "those pbs who want to die come here and we'll give it". But even Isaya says its a ridiculous idea, and yes it is, who would volunteer for death when you can have everything? so what's the REAL solution here?
What makes Kaname WRONG in killing purebloods?
How is coexistence done in VK, when whats being shown now is A REPEAT of the first arc? so this is Kaien and Yuki's ideology? a REPEAT?
What makes Kaname's solution a bad one and why it has to be stopped, according to Yuki?
I hope I'm getting across here, but what Kaname's doing is seen as bad because of the killing part in my opinion, but what makes it different from Yuki's or Kaien's?
If Kaien for example says he represents peace and the treaty de blah, then how come he had just ALLOWED the one who will disrupt peace inside his academy--SARA?
And if Yuki wants to stop Kaname for killing the innocent purebloods, then why is she allowing the one who will disrupt coexistence TO BECOME PRESIDENT instead of her?
Sara here represents THE IRONY of their ideas.
So they are against Kaname because he is killing, but they didn't know they already ALLOWED someone who might destroy peace itself.
What am I trying to explore is the “Why?” Why to go that far? In
relation to Yuuki’s weakness to actually do anything, what is he trying
I have the same question. But again, conspicuous is not Hino's style in my opinion. Something that had already been massively predicted--Kaname will be killed by Yuki's hands-- may not happen. I dont think its that simple.
For me the most obvious answer is because Kaname wants Yuuki to
defend her path and her position and in that way, he can promote her
further in the eyes of the vampire society. To earn recognition and
respect, to detach herself from him and finally be able to walk on her
path without ties, binds and restrictions. You said it yourself “Yuuki
cannot support her ideals, she is far too weak”.
Kaname's actions does not support Yuki's. It actually contradicts. At the start of the project the nobles were wary of giving her support because of Kaname, and even now her position runs a thin line between immature and average. How is she going to redeem herself?
Think about it, if Kaname just does all this to piss her off so she would kill him in the end because she's the Good Girl and he's the Bad Guy---what about Kaname's Original plan?
it seems to me the most obvious yet reasonable that he's doing this to cleanse the "bad roots" and let it be known to others he is doing so especially Yuki, she will kill him and then she'll be known as the hero who will lead everyone to the Repeat of the First Arc School and Prefect System.
This is probably the most boring ending and repeat
Right now Yuuki is thinking going after him, but if she follows him
at this dark path, she could highly risk her role and lose the faith and
the trust of the vampires and the nobles.
They hardly trusted her and to me it seems that right now her choice, her path is restricted.
for kaname wants to avoid that, he wants to prevent Yuuki from
throwing that title and that crucial role away and right now to
jeopardize to identified with a “killer” and a “bersek”.
combination to the above and the difficult dilemma that he is creating
to her, it shows me that he has other plans for Yuuki, which are not
limited solely at her protection, Yuuki’s destination seems greater than
this and Kaname guards it.
that's it? he's doing all that lying to keep her away? LOL. honey, its just too simple. which is why I agree with the bolded part. still lots to reveal. and we're not even at the ending yet.
How do I know? If someone is putting Yuuki as a key, and is turning
her little existence into a great one, that’s Kaname; when he decides to
drive these actions, when he decides to reach the extremes in order to
keep her safe, he is the one making her existence important. And that’s
because he knows who she is.If it was all about a girl,any girl that he
favored apparently he would not intend to sacrifice himself for her when
she was human, neither make all these efforts for her.
Exactly, he safeguards her for a more important role, or a reason. What that is, we'll find out...
We already saw Kaname’s path in the past; it led to co-existence and
peace and Yuuki’s path is not different. Weak or powerful; it makes no
difference, it is the intentions that count and she is a Kuran after
all, her legacy is undeniable, it has already been charged to her.
Sooner or later she shall become what she is destined to be.
how do you answer to Sara then? a bad pureblood managed to prove she got the upperhand to the Representative of Peace and Kaname's Substitute Yuki. That was no longer about being weak or powerful, it was a danger sign even, that Yuki can be tricked in the future, which is not good if all this advertises a Better Future.
If Kaname is ensuring she will turn out to be a better substitute for him, shouldn't he have prepped her more?
Actually my deepest fear is that Kaname will realize co-existence for
her but totally “burn” himself in the process.
which is why I said makes it a punishment ending
. Yuki is forced to go on a path that Kaname decides for her, he places the burden of his supposed death onto her guilt, which drives her forward, relentlessly, to work on his goals---her goals too. In a Repeat of the First Arc.
In addition, what he may try to achieve will be (according to my
opinion) his own sacrifice in order to pass the ultimate power to Yuuki
so she can finally be undoubtedly the pillar of the society in all
and then what will Yuki do to the hunters who are threatening her life, stopping her from going after Kaname?
I suppose when she got Kaname's powers she will take them off the picture too, lol, then this just trashes the whole idea of PC.
another thing you're suggesting here is that Yuki becomes the only pureblood alive which creates problems for the hierarchy of vampires as already mentioned--unless she makes herself Queen Bee the "pillar of society", which contradicts what Kaname said about purebloods being revered.
So she stays at the academy to create a Repeat of the prefect system, same thing. and then?
do we start reading from chapter 1 again? LOL
Whats happening right now is a REPEAT just Yuki swapped uniforms so she's wearing white now.
in which case both the idea of Yuki being pureblood queen and Yuki being night dorm president is contradicting to several ideas presented currently.
You have already heard Kaname, if it is to leave without Yuuki he prefers to be killed by her own hands.
that was IF Yuki left him. It was KANAME who LEFT HER.
and that was IF Yuki choose to leave him. she wants to go after him presently.
I do not think that she will kill him on her own will, if she would
kill him, it would be, because he would have wanted her to kill him and
he would present it (I assume if that ever happened) as if she has no
so what are you saying, that he is going to force the decision to make her? HE WILL FORCE HER TO KILL HIM?
WHAT KIND OF ENDING IS THAT? Where's the love there?
not only does this make it selfish and full of assumptions you have concluded, but it also sounds contrived now.
Yuki has to be forced upon a circumstance by which she must raise her artemis down and kill him---AGAIN AND AGAIN, THIS CONTRADICTS HER IDEA THAT SHE DOES NOT WANT ANYONE TO SUFFER. DEATH is still suffering.
And all this because of what Kaname said, you've already reached a FINALE here as if you've been thinking and planning how it can happen all along, struggling
to reach a possible conclusion where it ends in death
. But how sure are you?
Remember how you thought
Kaien was being a bad father a chapter ago? and NOW, what is he now
@ Yes I know, I ‘ ve written a story myself here (you know) that
can not be avoided with me, but anyway, I am talking about Kaname’s
plan, not the actual plot. Apparently many more things may come in the
way and Yuuki will need to make a great twist. I agree its time to pay
her dues and show that she can support what she initiated.
Kaname drops an uncertain hint and you RUN with it to the finish line
faster than anyone else as if someone's actually chasing...
I hope there's actually a rope waiting there for you
because I'm not betting on this "race" in the first place....