sweetsolace wrote: -there were deliberate attempts to camouflage the murder of Juri and Haruka (Kurans) and made it appear as suicide, again, why so? only Kaname knew what really happened when Rido attacked the mansion, or so it seemed, and later on he was the one who chopped him to pieces... what if Kaname made juri and haruka's death appear as suicide to hide the fact he has to explain what happened to Rido afterwards..which might lead to questioning who Kaname truly is as the ancestor?
I have another guess where its Asato Ichijou who covered up their death (since he took Kaname afterwards as his guardian) I think I recall that Asato also knows Kaname is the ancestor
I’ll go for the later … Asato knew about Kaname being the ancestor … here>>
But as Kaname’s plan was to play along with the senate until he grows up and be ready to oppose them, he played along and about the conditions of his parents’ death. Also it should be kept it a secret Yuuki’s existence which was related with Juri/Haruka’s death. The suicide was convenient for Kaname too.
Either way the senate or some of them knew about Rido, cuz were they who took him after Kaname slashed him to pieces and kept him alive trying to regenerate him.
Furthermore it was the senate behind Rido … Rido might have his own revenge to deliver but they also wanted for Rido to take the place of the head of the Kurans.
So the death of Haruka and Juri came really handy for them as well and they were as guilty as Rido was. In fact they probably were the instigators of Haruka’s and Juri’s death. Ergo they had to cover up that incident under the disguise of suicide.
-Rido's "banishment" from the Kuran family tree. Was there a clear explanation for this? I think not... but as Juri had said when Rido went back to visit them, Rido took away their first child. So she KNEW that their first child, "Kaname", was either murdered or kidnapped. And she might also know that the Kaname they have at present is the ancestor. So then the information they gave to the council after "Kaname's" murder/abduction was either that Rido killed their baby (this means they knew then that Kaname is ancestor) or Rido took their baby with bad motives. I lean more to the former, it seems if they informed the council that Rido did something bad and requested for protection, that means they have to explain what he did, which leads to questioning Kaname's murder too. So the council might know the present kaname was ancestor. hm I hope I made sense LOL.
Yes, Juri and Haruka knew that Kaname wasn’t their child. Probably they figured out what Rido did cuz they knew who was laid in that mausoleum. So when Haruka found the baby it can’t be, not noticed that the coffin was empty. Furthermore I think from the last words he and Kaname exchanged is hinted that he knew pretty well who was the child, that they took care of. “It’s alright … I’m saying this because I know everything… Even so it doesn’t change the fact that you have been our adorable son”
(maybe this is what was referred to as the "greatest crime purebloods can commit", which is resurrecting an ancestor? it said it happened before Shizuka went missing and it sort of fits the time frame...)
Maybe … the period fits.
-Yuki's past. It was also concealed as the event that happened after Rido attacked the mansion... all of this concealment leads to the question if its deliberate to camouflage the fact/suspicion that the present Kaname is the ancestor.
why hide the fact? someone's trying hard to prevent people from digging the past and discovering Kaname's past as ancestor, what if other information regarding his past is also concealed, such as Kaname's wife, his children, etc.?we haven't heard of it until now, and it seems like Kaname withheld that info from Yuki for a long time too, he didn't make an attempt to tell her who he truly is until the right moment when they were alone.
I think so too … that deliberate is camouflaged or sealed the past of the Kurans but not to prevent to be spread the information that Kaname is the ancestor…
1. Cuz Asato knew about this … so maybe there are other too who knew.
2. Kaname told it to Takuma …
… if it was such a big secret then I don’t think that Kaname would reveal it even to Takuma cuz as we saw later that information “dropped” to Sara’s hands. Also Kaname told to Zero that he isn’t the real brother of Yuuki. All in all I think that if was so much important to keep his real identity secret, that he cast a spell to every document, then it’s hard to believe that he gave the info so casually.
I tend to think that IF there is a spell on their past then is because of Yuuki … or because of what happened and drove him to slumber. We have some info about the males of their genealogical tree but nothing about the females.
Also, it seems like Juri and Haruka knew that the present Kaname IS the ancestor, but they seem to be hiding that fact... why??
I think they didn’t want to talk about it cuz it was a delicate and hurtful incident and cuz Kaname didn’t knew anything about it up to a point. Since he sealed his own memories they probably figured that Kaname didn’t remember what happened, so they pretended, both sides, that Kaname was their real child.
I have a guess that what Rido did to him is the greatest crime they were talking about... but that's just a guess.
If that is so... it's either Kaname, in the past as ancestor, decreed that his life /existence as former King be erased from the history books, hence there was no record of him anywhere, and to mention any part of his life again afterwards would be a form of sacrilege of some sort....
There are some info about the king Kuran … it’s in their history books. I remember Hanabusa’s teacher taught them about it. What it seems that it wasn’t well-known is that the current Kaname was also the founder Kaname viz the king.
But as I said above this doesn’t seem to be so crucial. I think the only person which Kaname cared not to know about it before the right time was Yuuki.
Juliet wrote: And that brings me back to Hanadagi's murder? perhaps he would remember? (I am twisting this idea to my mind, that Hanadagi's awakening was the call for action from Kaname's part. Why did Hanadagi's murder initiated this? So keep wondering what if Hanadagi knew about the past? and his elimination served that purpose as well...
it could be, or it may have to do with his title as protector of the purebloods... hm i feel like there's more that remains to be seen here...
My feeling is that Kaname killed Hanadagi and Hiou cuz they would represent a threat for Yuuki and for co-existence<<< which I think is related with Yuuki.
I base my impression on the statement of Hanadagi’s servant.
1. The Hanadagi family, “the protectors of the PBs”
isn’t interested for fights over power.
2. That Hanadagi is sleeping 100 years already.
So the current Kaname is impossible to know him, so IF he was a threat then he comes from the past. The question is from which period though.
> He could be cooperated with the senate prior Kaname’s awakening.
> Kaname could know him from the wars against the PBs (ancestors) who turned massively the humans into servants, hence the title the protectors of the PBs since the rival side (viz Kaname+hunters) fought them.
> Hanadagi and Hiou could be involved to the incident which drove Kaname to slumber …
I’m leaning to the third choice cuz combine two hints we have for Hanadagi …
First his title “the protector of the PBs” and second this pic …
… Hanadagi’s castle above the panel where Kaname is grieving over a shattered mirror … a grief which maybe had to do with his lost wife, and led him into slumber.
So IF Hanadagi had caused his despair then his motive could be also political (the protector of the PBs) cuz Kaname was the King who opposed and stopped the PBs. Either way the result of Kaname’s grief/slumber was the abolishment of the monarchy and the establishment of the senate which was in favour of the PBs.
Ergo IF there was such a scheme then it hit right on the mark.