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    What does Sara want?

    Post by Knightmare on Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:44 am

    Sara told Takuma she wants to be queen. She said she didn't want to lose her purpose, and so have something to live for.

    I cannot understand her ambition and whether we're actually meant to buy this or not. Is she really so simple? what advantages are there to being ruler?

    - Most of the purebloods don't care about ruling, they only care about themselves
    - Is she unhappy with some aspects of their society? because otherwise, she pretty much seems to be doing what she wants anyway.
    - Why bother with the obvious hassle of gathering allies (which she isn't doing) in order to keep the vampires under control. She doesn't need to be ruler if she doesn't want to keep control of the vampires.
    - She doesn't need to be ruler if she just wants to do whatever she wants, she just has to be sneaky.
    - She doesn't have to be ruler if she wants to shake up the society or even break the treaty.

    It just all seems....very very shallow and non purposeful. So what is her purpose?

    Secondly, how is she trying to achieve it? I'd like to be able to see an actual method to understand her character.
    - Creating a harem of girls to make everyone think she's an airhead/make the hunters suspicious of her
    - Tasty blood tablets
    - Creating people as soldiers
    - Taking purebloods hearts to gain strength and not covering up her actions (she left witnesses)
    - Trying to win Zero over
    - Forcing her "allies" to drink her blood
    - Blaming Kaname for her crimes no one suspects her of

    Where does Sara see this as all leading?
    -Kaname has even vacated his position for a couple of months now and even killed fellow purebloods and is doubted by everyone
    -Sara is sitting on her tush following Yuuki to school, who hasn't managed to gain any real following and has everyone doubting her because of Kaname.
    - Now was the perfect time to swoop in and "play" the good leader, I don't know what Sara is waiting for, the longer she waits, the better position Yuuki gets into.
    -Why does Sara put herself into a precarious position of suspicion (her harem) and now change her mind and focus other misdeeds(ouri's suicide) on Kaname?

    The best time to usurp the leadership position would have been just after the Kaname killed Hanadagi and Nagamichi, before Yuuki gained any momentum in support when all the vampires were suspicious of kaname and his sister. It seems like Sara missed a prime opportunity there, even if the rest of her plan was not ready, she could have improved her standing so easily and make it even easier later on to step into the leadership role.

    And most of all, where does Sara stand on Kaname and his actions, how do they fit into her plans? Does anything upset her? Is she deliberately playing into kaname's hands? It would be nice to see her considering something instead of just random action. If Sara had already proved herself a mastermind, I might be more accepting of her methods rather than being annoyed by it all.
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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by Bloodredhead on Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:13 am

    Knightmare wrote:Sara told Takuma she wants to be queen. She said she didn't want to lose her purpose, and so have something to live for.

    I cannot understand her ambition and whether we're actually meant to buy this or not. Is she really so simple? what advantages are there to being ruler?

    - Most of the purebloods don't care about ruling, they only care about themselves
    - Is she unhappy with some aspects of their society? because otherwise, she pretty much seems to be doing what she wants anyway.
    - Why bother with the obvious hassle of gathering allies (which she isn't doing) in order to keep the vampires under control. She doesn't need to be ruler if she doesn't want to keep control of the vampires.
    - She doesn't need to be ruler if she just wants to do whatever she wants, she just has to be sneaky.
    - She doesn't have to be ruler if she wants to shake up the society or even break the treaty.

    It just all seems....very very shallow and non purposeful. So what is her purpose?

    i think its to do with how long pureblood live. they get bored when they dont have a loved one to spend eternity with, and i'm wondering whether she is playing this game to relieve herself of this boredom. she mentioned ouri saw her as a child so she may not have created a close bond with him as a mate yet, meaning she had no loved one. also she said to takuma that she was playing a game, so i think she see's this as some way to entertain herself aswell as get more power. most pureblood and nearly all of the vampire race thirst for power. its in their nature so her wanting the top power of her race would seem like a good goal for her.

    another thought is she wishes to die. alot of purebloods get tired of life and wish to end it. kaname explained this to yuuki after the ball. maybe she wishes to be killed as is trying to antagonise someone to pull the trigger against her head, and if she has been bored then going out with a bang maybe something that is attractive to her. i think this theory is a long shot though.


    Knightmare wrote:Secondly, how is she trying to achieve it? I'd like to be able to see an actual method to understand her character.
    - Creating a harem of girls to make everyone think she's an airhead/make the hunters suspicious of her
    - Tasty blood tablets
    - Creating people as soldiers
    - Taking purebloods hearts to gain strength and not covering up her actions (she left witnesses)
    - Trying to win Zero over
    - Forcing her "allies" to drink her blood
    - Blaming Kaname for her crimes no one suspects her of
    Where does Sara see this as all leading?
    -Kaname has even vacated his position for a couple of months now and even killed fellow purebloods and is doubted by everyone
    -Sara is sitting on her tush following Yuuki to school, who hasn't managed to gain any real following and has everyone doubting her because of Kaname.
    - Now was the perfect time to swoop in and "play" the good leader, I don't know what Sara is waiting for, the longer she waits, the better position Yuuki gets into.
    -Why does Sara put herself into a precarious position of suspicion (her harem) and now change her mind and focus other misdeeds(ouri's suicide) on Kaname?

    The best time to usurp the leadership position would have been just after the Kaname killed Hanadagi and Nagamichi, before Yuuki gained any momentum in support when all the vampires were suspicious of kaname and his sister. It seems like Sara missed a prime opportunity there, even if the rest of her plan was not ready, she could have improved her standing so easily and make it even easier later on to step into the leadership role.

    And most of all, where does Sara stand on Kaname and his actions, how do they fit into her plans? Does anything upset her? Is she deliberately playing into kaname's hands? It would be nice to see her considering something instead of just random action. If Sara had already proved herself a mastermind, I might be more accepting of her methods rather than being annoyed by it all.

    I dont think anyone really suspected yuuki of anything, as zero said she is more of a cub than an actual lion at the moment in pureblood terms. i dont think sara could have just taken the vacant position kaname left behind as yuuki was still available. kurans are basically the royal family, they will get presidence over the other purebloods to the throne so with a kuran still available for the role, sara cant just take it, especially when yuuki had support from nobles such as senri, rima and hanabusa. she also had the hunters support aswell early on when she proposed opening the night class again.

    with sara blaming kaname she takes some of the heat off herself and focuses others attentions on his actions and not her, maybe like a smoke screen of sorts. would give her more room to move around in without being watched.

    sara needs to prove that yuuki isnt a good leader and i think she has things in the pipe line already to help her accomplish this. she has put herself right next to yuuki so she can watch her movements closely. she is changeing the blood tablets which i think are going to have a negative effect on the vampires who have them. if we get a load of thirsty vampires in a school with humans you will have a problem on your hands, as they could attack a human out of thirst. if this happened yuuki as the person incharge, would be the one to take the blame as she is supposed to keep the vampires there inline. this could prove her an uneffective leader, leaving no more kurans to turn to so the council turn to another pureblood, probably sara would put herself forward.

    there are a few things about sara's actions that do puzzle me but i do believe they will be answered in later chapters by hino.

    with sara and kaname's game, we havent seen much of kaname plan so i dont think we can say how they are working around each other towards their goals. kaname's smart and is alot older than sara, with i believe alot more experience, so i think he may be positioning himself in a place where he can strike at sara without yuuki getting hurt or innocent people. whether sara is worried about his actions i'm unsure but she didnt like takuma talking about kaname to yuuki so she may be worried or just jealous.
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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by sweetsolace on Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:17 am

    Knightmare wrote:Sara told Takuma she wants to be queen. She said she didn't want to lose her purpose, and so have something to live for.

    I cannot understand her ambition and whether we're actually meant to buy this or not. Is she really so simple? what advantages are there to being ruler?

    - Most of the purebloods don't care about ruling, they only care about themselves
    - Is she unhappy with some aspects of their society? because otherwise, she pretty much seems to be doing what she wants anyway.
    - Why bother with the obvious hassle of gathering allies (which she isn't doing) in order to keep the vampires under control. She doesn't need to be ruler if she doesn't want to keep control of the vampires.
    - She doesn't need to be ruler if she just wants to do whatever she wants, she just has to be sneaky.
    - She doesn't have to be ruler if she wants to shake up the society or even break the treaty.

    It just all seems....very very shallow and non purposeful. So what is her purpose?

    Secondly, how is she trying to achieve it? I'd like to be able to see an actual method to understand her character.
    - Creating a harem of girls to make everyone think she's an airhead/make the hunters suspicious of her
    - Tasty blood tablets
    - Creating people as soldiers
    - Taking purebloods hearts to gain strength and not covering up her actions (she left witnesses)
    - Trying to win Zero over
    - Forcing her "allies" to drink her blood
    - Blaming Kaname for her crimes no one suspects her of

    Where does Sara see this as all leading?
    -Kaname has even vacated his position for a couple of months now and even killed fellow purebloods and is doubted by everyone
    -Sara is sitting on her tush following Yuuki to school, who hasn't managed to gain any real following and has everyone doubting her because of Kaname.
    - Now was the perfect time to swoop in and "play" the good leader, I don't know what Sara is waiting for, the longer she waits, the better position Yuuki gets into.
    -Why does Sara put herself into a precarious position of suspicion (her harem) and now change her mind and focus other misdeeds(ouri's suicide) on Kaname?

    The best time to usurp the leadership position would have been just after the Kaname killed Hanadagi and Nagamichi, before Yuuki gained any momentum in support when all the vampires were suspicious of kaname and his sister. It seems like Sara missed a prime opportunity there, even if the rest of her plan was not ready, she could have improved her standing so easily and make it even easier later on to step into the leadership role.

    And most of all, where does Sara stand on Kaname and his actions, how do they fit into her plans? Does anything upset her? Is she deliberately playing into kaname's hands? It would be nice to see her considering something instead of just random action. If Sara had already proved herself a mastermind, I might be more accepting of her methods rather than being annoyed by it all.

    nice idea btw. Very Happy
    true, some of Sara's actions seem like she's just playing around... but let's see..

    - Most of the purebloods don't care about ruling, they only care about themselves
    - Is she unhappy with some aspects of their society? because otherwise, she pretty much seems to be doing what she wants anyway
    .

    I go for what bloodred said here, its true most pbs don't care, they only care about their own entertainment. I believe Sara's entertainment is to become queen, its like playing a game for her where she harnesses power, collects harems, makes the society look foolish, etc. And I think the way she moves her plans has to do with her personality. Since Ouri was alive she said she's always playing the nice girl of the council to avoid trouble, this is her personality, to avoid trouble or get away with it. Now after the council was gone, she had the liberty to do what she wants but she's still careful.

    - Why bother with the obvious hassle of gathering allies (which she isn't doing) in order to keep the vampires under control. She doesn't need to be ruler if she doesn't want to keep control of the vampires.
    - She doesn't need to be ruler if she just wants to do whatever she wants, she just has to be sneaky.
    - She doesn't have to be ruler if she wants to shake up the society or even break the treaty.


    Sara wants to be queen, and a queen has to make her subordinates submit under her rule, and I think she plans to do this discreetly, through the tablets, so when majority of the vampires yield to her, its no longer a question of her right to rule but unanimous decision. She's a careful one, never to make rash decisions, so she goes through the process slowly and without anybody noticing.
    She snuck inside the association begging for their protection, using kaname's crimes to make herself appear vulnerable, consequently making the hunters drop their guard/suspicion on her. When that was achieve she could freely move from the inside, to focus on her goal. As she had said she plans to break the trust between comrades and I think this is what she plans

    - Creating a harem of girls to make everyone think she's an airhead/make the hunters suspicious of her
    LOL I tend to think the harem was more of her personal fetish. But you have a point it is making her suspicious, but she got away with it so I think she didn't do it without thought

    - Tasty blood tablets
    - Creating people as soldiers

    her methods are, I think, to gather her forces discreetly, she imprisons her puppets and then tries to take control of society by the blood tablets. I think when the right time comes she will expose her minions and declare herself queen

    - Taking purebloods hearts to gain strength and not covering up her actions (she left witnesses)
    by not covering her actions she has managed to pass the blame of her deeds to someone else, for example in ouri's death, she did it controlling a hunter to kill Ouri, then that made every pureblood present at the party to become suspect, not just her. I think covering it up would delay the discovery of the body which would defeat the purpose of her passing the blame to someone else. In hanadagi's case I think she knew someone was coming after her, so she left hanadagi to be killed by kaname, to which kaname was conveniently there to bear the crime of the act. it worked the same way for hio's, Sara used that to put more blame on Kaname.

    - Trying to win Zero over
    I think after killing two purebloods she realizes the convenience it would be in possessing a "hunter's hand", I think she's been thinking about this since chapter58 when she met Zero. nevertheless its definitely advantageous to have a powerful hunter as her puppet in her plans to be queen.

    - Forcing her "allies" to drink her blood
    She's controlling Takuma with her blood, it must have been some time since he didn't drink from her since he could do against her wishes, in that way she maintains control

    - Blaming Kaname for her crimes no one suspects her of
    i think its one way to cause disturbance among Kaname's allies including Yuki.
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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by nina on Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:22 pm

    The only thing that puzzles me from Sara’s doings is the creation of the harem. Why she did it? So far seems it was only for entertaining reasons lol. And why now; the moment that she set the wheel in motion for her plan? So I tend to think that it wasn’t only to amuse her self.

    But let’s see what she gained from that move … On the surface her doings were “legal”, so she knew that the hunters couldn’t do anything to her, but still, turning humans into vampires is something repulsive, for the hunters and for Kaname as well.
    So her move put her on the spot, but synchronously aroused suspicions for Kaname too. As we saw the fact that Kaname didn’t do nothing to stop her made the hunters suspecting him as her ally, so we can say that, this was the first blow on the foundation of their new mutual agreement. The hunters arrested Hanabusa, a very close person to Kaname, without any reason. <<< This was an open contestation towards Kaname, from their part.
    The question is; how she knew that Kaname won’t oppose her? Maybe she knew something more that we miss right now, or she was just gambling … as she told Takuma, after Ouri’s murder, if she was Kaname then she would let the offending party be at first …
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-40425-13/vampire-knight/chapter-56.html

    Now … Sara knows that Kaname understood pretty well that she was the one who killed Ouri … he almost accused her for that openly at the ball. Ergo the “war” between Sara and Kaname was declared from that night!
    So, would he oppose her for a misdemeanour, such as turning some girls, while her objectives were obviously bigger than that; since she already had killed Ouri for obtaining his power??? I think not … hence the gamble she took probably was very well calculated.

    From what we know so far about Sara’s plan I think her intentions are:

    1. Yuuki…
    Remove Yuuki from her position as the leader of the vampires. Maybe she’ll use a similar method as she is using towards Kaname by turning the hunters and the vampire’s society against him … maybe she wants to make Yuuki seem like incapable leader. If Yuuki’s attempt with the NC fails then the hunters and the vampires will withdraw their support and the road for the throne will be more open for her. Furthermore if she’s planning to use her tablets to submit the vampires and the NC class then she’ll be in the position to control the vampires hence she’ll seem like the most capable leader.
    The question is how she’ll succeed to do that. Maybe by setting up an incident in the academy? I don’t know, cuz something like that wouldn’t destroy completely Yuuki’s profile. Maybe she’ll go for a more massive blow … ???
    The sure thing is that Yuuki’s unstable current state serves her right and as we saw her lies about Kaname increased Yuuki’s anxiety and hunger.
    Maybe the upcoming bite will turn out as her advantage?
    Will see … but whatever if she plans I think she’ll do it behind the scene, avoiding to expose herself.

    2. Kaname …
    I think she knows that the biggest obstacle for her could be ultimately Kaname … he is more powerful from her and as she said she’s not a fool like Rido!
    So until now Kaname’s moves served her perfectly … she killed Ouri but he didn’t oppose her … she turned a bunch of girls into vampires and still he let her be … she took Hanadagi’s heart and Kaname finished him off and took the blame for that too. And as if weren’t all that enough she badmouthed him directly to the hunters and to Yuuki.
    So her first goal towards Kaname was to destruct the trust of his “allies”. I’m guessing that her next move would be to turn the hunters against him in order to be they, who will take him down and not her cuz I suspect that at least Cross didn’t buy her lies …

    “One piece take the other, and the last one wins” …
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-57815-40/vampire-knight/chapter-65.html

    So somewhere there I think it come Zero’s role into her plan …

    3. Zero …
    I think the hunter’s hand that she’s seeking is Zero’s. Clues …

    > She’d tried to harass him, triggering his hate/vendetta, by saying that the Kurans used him and threw him away …
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-47679-28/vampire-knight/chapter-58.html

    > She told to Takuma that Zero is also a piece on her chess game …
    Takuma: “You do realize that in the association there are people on your level” (meaning Zero)
    Sara: “I see … he is also a piece”
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-57815-39/vampire-knight/chapter-65.html
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-57815-40/vampire-knight/chapter-65.html

    > She is offering her blood … now we know that through her blood controlling Takuma. Ergo probably wishes the same for Zero.
    http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/73/2

    But I don’t think that she could possibly believe that Zero will take her blood casually lol. I think she has a plan for him in order to make him drink from her.

    > When she’s telling to Takuma to stop giving info to her rivals, she also says …
    “You can’t do that … cuz there are still some things that I wish to do in the academy” and this wording is on the panel where is depicted Zero.
    http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/73/32

    So could be that she’s planning to use Zero to kill Kaname????






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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by Anneliezz on Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:02 pm

    nina wrote:
    So could be that she’s planning to use Zero to kill Kaname????

    nice theory
    guess it will depend on who zero hates most ? kill sara or kill kaname (when he's allowed to)?
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    Post by juliet on Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:08 am

    Knightmare wrote:Sara told Takuma she wants to be queen. She said she didn't want to lose her purpose, and so have something to live for. It just all seems....very very shallow and non purposeful. So what is her purpose?
    Sara wants everything that's Kaname's LOL it's stated here;
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    So she definetely wants to be a ruler, there. The question is why?
    Most of the purebloods don't care about ruling, they only care about themselves
    True, but why? what really kept them so long from coming in power? Was it just the fact that they did not care? or should we see the Kuran's contribution here in eliminating threats and in keeping the pureblood society under control through their status and the anti-vampire power? I am really having thoughts what the purebloods would have done if Yuuri and her Artemis did not exist or if back there from the ancient years till the recent years the Kurans had not preserved authority. Apparently most of the purebloods had been eliminated due to the wars (stated by Kaname when Yuuki asked why are so few pureblood vampires left). So they must have done something wrong to be eliminated (either from the Kurans or the hunters). Currently the ones left are not supposed to be posing a threat. But Rido tried, Sara tries, so something tells me here that the purebloods do care about power and they care a lot, they just could not claim it and that’s another matter, a one that might led to their reduction in mumbers through the passing years.
    Is she unhappy with some aspects of their society? because otherwise, she pretty much seems to be doing what she wants anyway.
    Sara supported Ichiou's fanction so close to him she supported the position that humans should be slaves to vampires or seen as food (stated in the fanbook).
    The problem here is that as Ichiou wanted to get rid of Kaname in order to do his tricks so does Sara. Of course Ichiou had also the idea to eliminate purebloods (stated in the manga) so I do not think that Sara would want that part of the plan, therefore she remained in the shadow as long as it was convenient for her (also stated in the manga). So we see that she had her own plans from long ago. So a matter of society that might bother her (one that Iciou failed to reverse) can be the submission of vampires to co-existence. And here we have the co-existence plan coming forward once more (that's actually the story's main goal and everything revolves around this idea).
    I cannot understand her ambition and whether we're actually meant to buy this or not. Is she really so simple?
    It’s really early to tell…but Zero has the same idea about purebloods; that they play around with people’s lives. And that’s a matter to consider; because the thought that one pureblood threats humans and vampires that support pacifism out of boredom is sounding really silly as a thought but if see the more general picture the theme is more complicated. The existences of people too small…that of the purebloods too great. Can the beasts be tamed? Just one desire is enough to evidently cause a great disturbance. Should they exist if it is so easy for them to turn to the evil side due to boredom? But under that view they are a constant threat, they are hateful beings, they can not be controlled because their nature, their lives are too great for that. I get the overall idea that the weakest Sara’s excuse is for trying to do this, the greater suddenly becomes the underlying threat. I might be wrong, but again right now I have no other excuses over Sara’s ambition; I think they symbolize the pureblood’s dangerous nature.
    -Kaname has even vacated his position for a couple of months now and even killed fellow purebloods and is doubted by everyone
    -Sara is sitting on her tush following Yuuki to school, who hasn't managed to gain any real following and has everyone doubting her because of Kaname.
    - Now was the perfect time to swoop in and "play" the good leader, I don't know what Sara is waiting for, the longer she waits, the better position Yuuki gets into.
    The best time to usurp the leadership position would have been just after the Kaname killed Hanadagi and Nagamichi, before Yuuki gained any momentum in support when all the vampires were suspicious of kaname and his sister. It seems like Sara missed a prime opportunity there, even if the rest of her plan was not ready, she could have improved her standing so easily and make it even easier later on to step into the leadership role.
    I have the impression that she was waiting for her tablets to be tasty enough, LOL. I think that she still did that though, I do not think that right now she wanted to take power and refill Kaname. I have the idea that this could not be done for several reasons and she knew it.
    1. We see the hunters are stepping in once Kaname abandons his position. The lineage-the legacy- the Kuran’s blood is the one that they seek first because this is the one they trust. It’s actually Kain that proposes that to Yuuki, so we see a critical move here made by the hunters, and we seem to neglect their significance here at the story. Would they accept Sara? No, Yuuki is the air. She should go first. They back her up. She has the blood that the peace treaty was signed, she has the anti-vampire power. If Sara made that move after Kaname left the leadership as you said, she would betray her intentions and the hunters would have rejected her for the fulfillment of the treaty. It is as Nina said, Yuuki has to go up and then down in order for the place to open for another candidate.

    Kaien mentions that to Yuuki, that others might try to take the power; apparently the peace treaty has two camps here; the hunters and the vampires...

    A possible scenario can go like this; Yuuki has the back up of the hunters and tries to convince the vampires that she is worthy of her position and that she can be trusted. If she fails, and Sara makes sure she fails, the hunters are also exposed for their choice and trust on Yuuki's face/ the vampires will instantly seek another leader. Now since Sara will have manage to enslave all vampires to her will through her "tasty" tablets or with any means possible, the hunters will be pressed againts the wall and they will have to recognize in Sara the new authority that is rising.


    I think, it is here that Sara’s plan targets because she does not want a direct opposition, she wants to take it all in a subtle way. I think that her plan is not to fight, is to “conquer”.






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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by sweetsolace on Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:50 am

    nina wrote:3. Zero …
    I think the hunter’s hand that she’s seeking is Zero’s. Clues …

    > She’d tried to harass him, triggering his hate/vendetta, by saying that the Kurans used him and threw him away …
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-47679-28/vampire-knight/chapter-58.html

    > She told to Takuma that Zero is also a piece on her chess game …
    Takuma: “You do realize that in the association there are people on your level” (meaning Zero)
    Sara: “I see … he is also a piece”
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-57815-39/vampire-knight/chapter-65.html
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-57815-40/vampire-knight/chapter-65.html

    > She is offering her blood … now we know that through her blood controlling Takuma. Ergo probably wishes the same for Zero.
    http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/73/2

    But I don’t think that she could possibly believe that Zero will take her blood casually lol. I think she has a plan for him in order to make him drink from her.

    > When she’s telling to Takuma to stop giving info to her rivals, she also says …
    “You can’t do that … cuz there are still some things that I wish to do in the academy” and this wording is on the panel where is depicted Zero.
    http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/73/32

    So could be that she’s planning to use Zero to kill Kaname????

    there is only one problem with using Zero to kill Kaname, and that is if bloodyrose will obey kaname or not. Kaname was able to tell BR what to do in their fight so if zero should kill him that will be pretty useless.

    Maybe Sara has other plans for Zero..

    juliet wrote:what really kept them so long from coming in power? Was it just the fact that they did not care? or should we see the Kuran's contribution here in eliminating threats and in keeping the pureblood society under control through their status and the anti-vampire power? I am really having thoughts what the purebloods would have done if Yuuri and her Artemis did not exist or if back there from the ancient years till the recent years the Kurans had not preserved authority. Apparently most of the purebloods had been eliminated due to the wars (stated by Kaname when Yuuki asked why are so few pureblood vampires left). So they must have done something wrong to be eliminated (either from the Kurans or the hunters). Currently the ones left are not supposed to be posing a threat. But Rido tried, Sara tries, so something tells me here that the purebloods do care about power and they care a lot, they just could not claim it and that’s another matter, a one that might led to their reduction in mumbers through the passing years.

    I don't really understand it myself. scratch Did Kaname slept knowing there were bad purebloods who were still alive, or was there none left? Kaname seemed to have done a miscalculation on letting purebloods live, for instance he apologized to Yuki for the all the "bad vampires"
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-40425-32/vampire-knight/chapter-56.html

    when the first king ruled, the vampire population at that point diminished because of the war
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-40425-30/vampire-knight/chapter-56.html

    then as the vampire numbers grew or repopulated their casualties, the Kuran family came to bear the role as king
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2154-13/vampire-knight/chapter-28.html

    so when the first king ruled it was right after the war.. maybe it was just temporary? and later on it became permanent?

    Kaname said before Yuki's birth there were 19 purebloods under the council's control, 14 of which are not under their control, so there's 33 purebloods

    if back then there were more purebloods, maybe more than 50 after the war.. then some of them must have died at some point between that time and Yuki's generation, since most of the casualties already took out the purebloods, but after a while the vampires repopulated, so its either a new pureblood did it during those times or they simply established families.

    The Kuran line ruled back then... when it was abolished the council took over and placed under their control several purebloods. I think this governing factions served to control not only vampires but also purebloods while preventing power struggle... any pureblood can become a king or dominate over society, but the Kurans were distinct in their ability to wield antivampire weapons so this puts them above purebloods as they can take away their lives. I think this was enough to prevent any pureblood from trying to usurp Kuran rule.

    Then the Council took its place, along with the association. The hunters with their ability to kill vampires with their antivampire weapons take the place of the Kurans who were able to do this, and the Council became the "brain" behind their movements, deciding who gets to be executed as well as maintaining peace with the humans. I think their role to preserve order was through controlling purebloods.. why was there need to keep several purebloods under their watch, I think this was to prevent them from rising into power like you said, as its possible for even one pureblood to rule society, so I think they picked out only the potential ones who might either lose control or has intentions to dominate and confined them, while the rest were either left alone or were currently sleeping.
    I think this is the reason why Sara was playing the nice girl to the association, to prevent being confined. If she raised their suspicions she would earn the attention of everyone who's preventing Pureblood rule. And this is not what she wants.. so i think she played it safe. when the council was removed from the picture then she started moving..

    as for the bolded part, I think this is Kaname's miscalculation.. its pureblood nature to greed for power, and I think at some point Kaname ignored this and it came at a heavy expense on his part..perhaps the loss of a loved one? scratch

    juliet wrote:
    1. We see the hunters are stepping in once Kaname abandons his position. The lineage-the legacy- the Kuran’s blood is the one that they seek first because this is the one they trust. It’s actually Kain that proposes that to Yuuki, so we see a critical move here made by the hunters, and we seem to neglect their significance here at the story. Would they accept Sara? No, Yuuki is the air. She should go first. They back her up. She has the blood that the peace treaty was signed, she has the anti-vampire power. If Sara made that move after Kaname left the leadership as you said, she would betray her intentions and the hunters would have rejected her for the fulfillment of the treaty. It is as Nina said, Yuuki has to go up and then down in order for the place to open for another candidate.

    Kaien mentions that to Yuuki, that others might try to take the power; apparently the peace treaty has two camps here; the hunters and the vampires...

    A possible scenario can go like this; Yuuki has the back up of the hunters and tries to convince the vampires that she is worthy of her position and that she can be trusted. If she fails, and Sara makes sure she fails, the hunters are also exposed for their choice and trust on Yuuki's face/ the vampires will instantly seek another leader. Now since Sara will have manage to enslave all vampires to her will through her "tasty" tablets or with any means possible, the hunters will be pressed againts the wall and they will have to recognize in Sara the new authority that is rising.

    I think this is very possible, and the hunters have an idea this is what Sara's planning too. Immediately after Kaname's disappearance Kaien takes Yuki and tells her to take responsibility as the Kuran representative... She creates the NC and along with that assigns Zero to be with her. Zero then gives Yuki his blood to keep her strong and focused, i think he understands the idea that Sara is planning to usurp her position once it was weak enough to destroy. Moreover, Sara can easily cause a reason for it to be destroyed, if for example she had tampered the tablets, made them more tasty and distributed them among the local consumers which is the Night class and they had taken it... If something happens to the NC, something drastic, and Yuki can't control the situation this would clearly highlight her capacity as leader... she would fail.
    Sara then steps in to show she is credible enough for the position by showing her harem... the hunters have no choice but to acknowledge her

    the question is, do the hunters know what she's planning and keeping quiet about it? scratch

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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by nina on Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:36 pm

    Anneliezz wrote: nice theory
    guess it will depend on who zero hates most ? kill sara or kill kaname (when he's allowed to)?

    I think Zero’s priority is Sara. My question was addressed mostly on Sara’s intentions and not on Zero’s. XD

    sweetsolace wrote: there is only one problem with using Zero to kill Kaname, and that is if bloodyrose will obey kaname or not. Kaname was able to tell BR what to do in their fight so if zero should kill him that will be pretty useless.

    Maybe Sara has other plans for Zero..

    Yes I agree … but does Sara know that the BR could obey Kaname?
    Anyway I don’t believe that Zero will kill Kaname … maybe they will have a confrontation I don’t know. But even if Zero couldn’t kill Kaname he can wound him and then Sara takes advantage of the situation.
    All of that under the hypothesis that Sara will manage/trick somehow Zero and make him drink her blood, cuz her altered tablets I think is out of question for Zero. The hunters know enough for her involvement with the tabs to be so naïve as to use Sara’s tabs. Of course Zero isn’t so easy to control lol.

    And the point is what Sara might have in her mind … this doesn’t mean that she’ll succeed it … definitely her plan won’t complete.





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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by Knightmare on Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:57 am

    @Not taking the opportunity after Kaname left.
    I don't mean she had to turn up the heat and steal the throne, I mean,
    she missed out on improving her position and laying the foundation to
    increase the trust and respect people have in her. She just doesn't seem
    interested in that, gathering people to her. Except Zero, who she just
    drives away with her stupid advances. She's a spoilt idiot, she knows
    how to toy with people...and thats it.

    Actually, to be honest, the one issue I have with Sara's plan as presented, is the contrary nature of her actions between the attack on Hanadagi and blaming Kaname for it.

    She attacked Hanadagi and left him, Nagamichi and the bodyguard (probably) alive, that's three witnesss and one of them a pureblood!

    Why would she do that unless she did not care about getting caught? And
    then, why does she not care about getting caught and violating the peace
    of vampires and also making enemies of the Hanadagi's.

    Now she accuses Kaname for her crimes.
    - She doesn't need to blame him for Ouri's murder when it is a closed case.
    - Kaname is already implicates himself in these actions
    - Nobody really trusts her anyway
    OK to saying she's scared of him, but also accusing a person already committing crimes of a crime she committed herself and already gotten away with? Its totally unsophisticated.

    Sara saying she wants to be queen is like a child saying they want to be president (it's just sounds good). An adult saying this, needs to have ambition to reason, more power, money or respect or they're just being a flakey adult with no substance.

    The issue I have, is that Sara comes off as a villain with no substance if there is no meaning behind her actions, it means she has no real purpose, if she has no real purpose and its just a game she's enjoying playing, she will give up easier and her actions are meaningless. Faced against real opposition, she will scuttle and run. It means, she cannot be a real villain.
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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by nina on Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:36 pm

    knightmare wrote: Not taking the opportunity after Kaname left.
    I don't mean she had to turn up the heat and steal the throne, I mean,
    she missed out on improving her position and laying the foundation to
    increase the trust and respect people have in her. She just doesn't seem
    interested in that, gathering people to her.

    The point is that vampires’ society doesn’t work in that way. Their “acknowledgement” goes to the most powerful/fearful and not to the most rightful or respectful. In a way the hunters are doing the same … they choose their leader based on raw power and not based on ethics or ideologies.

    I think Kaname’s words to Yuuki before the ball and at the meeting with the hunters sum up pretty well the core of their nature, the foundation of their society and what probably lurking behind Sara’s wish to take the throne…

    1. “… doesn’t mean that the lifestyle or the principles of our race would have changed as well …”
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-29253-21/vampire-knight/chapter-53.html

    2. “All of us vampires will have to first manage to overcome our violent nature and become a different sort of creature, sincere and capable of relying completely on reasoning and logic instead.”
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-29253-25/vampire-knight/chapter-53.html

    So here we have the root:
    - Lack of reasoning and logic …
    - Violent nature ...

    3. “Haruka and Juri lived many centuries and their hearts reached their limits … they might not have reached that limit if they had abandoned themselves to the violent vamparic nature …” << this as a believable explanation for their death/suicide.
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-33723-8/vampire-knight/chapter-54.html

    Seems like is a common belief among the vampires that they had to live driven by their violent instincts to ensure their will to go on living.

    4. “… our society is built entirely on that balance of power…”
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-33723-11/vampire-knight/chapter-54.html

    That explains also why the Kurans have the heritable right on the leadership. The anti-vampire ability makes them almost the unexceptionable candidates for the throne. So that’s why Sara didn’t do anything to increase the trust and the respect on her face after Kaname’s disappearance cuz it would be vain. She can’t gain the throne as long as there is a Kuran.

    I think this trait is the most significant factor which explicates:
    - Why the Kurans have been always the targets.
    - Why there was the necessity for intermarriage in order that ability not to pass into wrong hands.
    - Why they took always severe measures for their protection, especially for the females.

    I think the anti-vampire ability saved the human race but synchronously it was a bloody curse for the Kurans. <<< Another reason for Kaname’s guilt.

    5. “Many PBs have come to a point where they naturally ceased to even have the will to have children even among those who were with the person they loved. The PBs thought that their existence defeat the passing of time, but the truth it was the time who had won in the end.”
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-40425-31/vampire-knight/chapter-56.html

    6. And here Sara seems to have the same fears …
    “A PB deprived of any strong attachment is a truly sad sight … I don’t want to become like Ouri-sama … I don’t want to lose the will to live like Shizuka, Haruka and Juri …”
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-40425-11/vampire-knight/chapter-56.html

    Her resolution in order to avoid the same fate with other PBs is the throne … But not the throne as an occupation … I think it goes beyond that. It has to do with all the above reasons together. Everything that the vampires believed through millennia as essentials elements for their existence, for their preservation, is controversial with what the Kurans represent, introduce and trying to inflict. The idea of co-existence doesn’t mean only cease-fire but the uprooting of all the ways, “morals” and twist notions.

    Sara saying she wants to be queen is like a child saying they want to be president.
    .
    .
    The issue I have, is that Sara comes off as a villain with no substance if there is no meaning behind her actions, it means she has no real purpose, if she has no real purpose and its just a game she's enjoying playing, she will give up easier and her actions are meaningless. Faced against real opposition, she will scuttle and run. It means, she cannot be a real villain.

    Mm … I’m not sure about that. I think she seems so, on the surface but to take over the control of the vampire society it’s not out of boredom.
    However it might be that if there is a bigger threat/villain behind Sara.

    But for now Sara is the current representative of the old, which resists to change … to the real co-existence. Taking the throne means that she’ll be able to maintain their society as it is or maybe even worse. So her wish to reach the throne has substance … she couldn’t live for long in the same way that she used to cuz the goal of her opponents (viz the Kurans) is to bring the change, a change which probably Sara believes that it will lead her sooner or later to death.

    Maybe an indication of that upcoming change is Kaname’s wording …

    “I can no longer leave all of you as you are…”
    http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/71/21

    She attacked Hanadagi and left him, Nagamichi and the bodyguard (probably) alive, that's three witnesss and one of them a pureblood!
    Why would she do that unless she did not care about getting caught? And
    then, why does she not care about getting caught and violating the peace
    of vampires and also making enemies of the Hanadagi's.

    Good point … I can think a few explanations …

    1. She didn’t intent to do so … Maybe was “surprised” … first from Nagamichi’s presence but she decides to let him see the scene in order to sacrifice him if it was necessary. Aidou-dono and that servant were easy targets for her if she wanted to eliminate them. And secondly that Hanadagi wakes up. She says that she would need the hand of a hunter to give the lethal blow, hence and steals the heart that she needed and disappearing rapidly in spiders form, cuz even if she could deal with Nagamichi and the servant, Hanadagi was another story.
    http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/67/24

    So she decides to leave cuz it was dangerous for her to confront another PB, older and more powerful than her, without the anti-vampire power, despite the fact that there were witnesses.

    2. She sensed Kaname’s presence and her time was running out … there is the possibility that Kaname was observing the whole scene before he decides to step in. So Sara again escapes to avoid confronting Kaname.

    3. There is another possibility … I have the feeling that Sara didn’t pick Hanadagi as her target accidentally. She had a solid reason for her choice. Which is it; unknown for now. But what IF the reason was dual?

    a) For the special power Hanadagi was holding … (the castle of dreams could be a hint).
    b) Cuz she knew that by awaken Hana was creating/awaking a big threat for Kurans, a new bloody circle, hence and Kaname was fain to step in and wiping him off, taking the blame on his shoulders? (something similar with what the senate did by “reviving” Rido)

    Seems like Kaname was waiting or expecting for that opportunity, cuz the trespass of Hanadagi’s castle and his awakening was the start button for Kaname’s original plan. And I suspect that was also the reason of why he was letting Sara at easy for so long.

    Now she accuses Kaname for her crimes.
    - She doesn't need to blame him for Ouri's murder when it is a closed case.
    - Kaname is already implicates himself in these actions
    - Nobody really trusts her anyway
    OK to saying she's scared of him, but also accusing a person already committing crimes of a crime she committed herself and already gotten away with? Its totally unsophisticated.

    Maybe not … as you said Kaname with his actions raised up suspicions for his role and by the time Sara makes the move to blame him it was well-known that he had stepped down from his position and disappeared hence for the time being was safe to throw all the blame on him for:
    1. To solidify her pleadings for shelter and consolidate her entry to the academy playing the victim to be.
    2. Reinforcing the suspicion that Kaname it might be a mad man.
    3. To upset Yuuki and shake her trust to Kaname.

    And we can say that she partly succeed … she is in the academy and we saw how much her words influenced Yuuki.





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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by juliet on Mon Jul 18, 2011 5:59 pm

    [quote="nina"]
    Her resolution in order to avoid the same fate with other PBs is the throne … But not the throne as an occupation … I think it goes beyond that. It has to do with all the above reasons together. Everything that the vampires believed through millennia as essentials elements for their existence, for their preservation, is controversial with what the Kurans represent, introduce and trying to inflict. The idea of co-existence doesn’t mean only cease-fire but the uprooting of all the ways, “morals” and twist notions.[quote]

    Τhank you Nina you covered some awesome points there...I could not agree more with you especially about the pureblood's (vampire) violent true nature. It's been in the script and there have been references here and there but it seems that we've skipped this problem.

    You see the probem here is Kaname, the Kurans more generally we do see them being quite peaceful, not harming people, neither wishing to devour them or cause harm so we assume that purebloods are the same. But once the script widens - thus we get to see more purebloods and nobles also we come face to face with another reality. Perhaps that happened because we are discovering the vampire society perhaps with the pace that Yuuki does...so we first see...

    -Rido >ambition to get power
    -Shizuka>due to growing up without love something that her parents chose, she turned a human to a vampire and made him her lover>later she choose to replace that feeling with Zero- it's mentioned that he generated the same feelings to her- she goes to the academy to get more power (through Kaname) and a lover by force and slavery (Zero)
    -the vampire council- wants to exterminate purebloods/ enslave the humans as food
    -Touma > wants to hurt Yuuki as an exhibition of power
    -Sara> can not stand the co-existence treaty afraid that she will die out of boredom and lose her will to survive if she does not support her vampire nature (enslaving humans, taking prays, unleashing her cold violent nature through one way or another)...

    The problem here is that Sara is shallow> expressing the old ways, the untamed pureblood insticts, representing a vampire society that does not wish to change and does not wish to move on with letting go of her own violent nature.

    Spoiler:

    This expands the problem further on...what in fact has changed after ten thousand years of supposedly evolution?

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    Isn't the desire the same? the means may change, the battles may be transfer from the fields to the academy, to institutions but what has really changed?

    Sara is no different from the ones that ten thousand years ago also wished to enslave all humans, because they prefered to live their nature to the fullest than to supress, tame it, or become more humans themselves. So Sara's ways right and desire might seem foolish but the bottom line is it as foolish as the eternal desire of the pureblood vampire instict to take humans as food- as slaves - to bind the world to its own nature and threat humanity instead of collaborating to the co-existence purpose that Kurans shielded through their existences.

    Now back to Sara's plan;

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    Its stated that she allowed Aidou's-dono presence as an potential sacrifice -which makes me wonder would Sara be Hanadagi's master if Hanadagi had survived? (the question does not really mean anything to the script since as we saw Rido was Kaname's master and yet he vanished him, only the lethal blow he could not deliver but Sara does not have the anti-vampire power anyway)....

    I think she needed more power and Hanadagi was an easy target (the easiest she could find). Something tells me that she should not have disturbed Hanadagi's sleep, there is a significance here because we see that Kaname's action is triggered by this awakening saying "it's time" he rushes to exterminate Hanadagi, (perhaps the surveillance was for that reason, so Kaname to be assured that Hanadagi was indeed sleeping there without disturbances, so there was no need from Kaname's part to step into action).

    Maybe not … as you said Kaname with his actions raised up suspicions for his role and by the time Sara makes the move to blame him it was well-known that he had stepped down from his position and disappeared hence for the time being was safe to throw all the blame on him for:
    1. To solidify her pleadings for shelter and consolidate her entry to the academy playing the victim to be.
    2. Reinforcing the suspicion that Kaname it might be a mad man.
    3. To upset Yuuki and shake her trust to Kaname.

    And we can say that she partly succeed … she is in the academy and we saw how much her words influenced Yuuki.


    I think also that blaming Kaname for Ouri's death was also more directed to Yuuki than to the hunters, the hunters have not closed Ouri's case since they said that they will look up to the matter but they appear to have.

    Sara saying she wants to be queen is like a child saying they want to be president (it's just sounds good). An adult saying this, needs to have ambition to reason, more power, money or respect or they're just being a flakey adult with no substance.

    She is gathering forces little by little...

    -Takuma
    -Her harem
    -Taking the president
    -Making an army to her basement
    -Changing the tablet
    -Teasing Zero
    -Blaming Kaname
    -Takes Ouri's and Hanadagi's powers

    We do not see her plan in full scale because it's on its way..she gathers supplies, allies, powers...she recruits people...so she is developping..will see either this will be a plan to applause or a great potatoe, we'll see.






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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by juliet on Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:26 am

    3. There is another possibility … I have the feeling that Sara didn’t pick Hanadagi as her target accidentally. She had a solid reason for her choice. Which is it; unknown for now. But what IF the reason was dual?

    a) For the special power Hanadagi was holding … (the castle of dreams could be a hint).
    b) Cuz she knew that by awaken Hana was creating/awaking a big threat for Kurans, a new bloody circle, hence and Kaname was fain to step in and wiping him off, taking the blame on his shoulders? (something similar with what the senate did by “reviving” Rido)

    And a very good point here....

    Sara seems to know from Takuma that Kaname is the ancestor, so she knows history and she knows the allies and the enemies of the familly. The moment that she disturbs the peace of the castle, that moment Kaname sets out to kill Hanadagi. At first it might even seem as an alliance but we all know it's not possible. So the ultimate backup scenario is that Sara KNEW exactly how Kaname would proceed if she moved towards Hanadagi.

    Sara even knows she can not kill Hanadagi, but by messing with him she is even risking herself to be turned into dust, still she does it. The most stupid of all moves, according to the risk of getting blown by an ancient vampire that would logically hunt her afterwards, after awakening him and tresspassing his territory.

    UNLESS Hanadagi poses such a big threat to Kaname, that Sara knows that Kaname will move and kill Hanadagi first in order to exterminate the threat and so she can skip it there without consequences from Hanadagi's part, meaning a awaken Hanadagi equals a dead Hanadagi.


    The hunters could have easily also with a deeper investigation get Sara out and expose her.
    They had the clues, the leads, they could have taken Takuma (actually he also came to them pleading about Sara being dangerous)...and a deeper investigation would also provide them the evidence (like Sara's basement in the right time or the fact that the president of the pharmaceutical company had been missing and logically nobody should be able to provide them with a logical and verified answer of the presidents whereabouts).

    I also believe that this is why Kaname does not deal with Sara, it seems subtle enough for the hunters to face and they were already at her trail after that anonymous call ect.

    One reason for Kaname to kill Sara would not be the pills (because that part logically belonged to the hunters since they had started the investigation long ago) but Hanadagi's case or Ouri's case.

    So Sara, in my opinion, does not only seem to escape Kaname but also the hunters that are really doing nothing more than to allow her entrance in the academy, while her pills have hit the streets. Now I call that the hunters' success.

    And while wondering why the hunters are letting everything pass by, (as if Hino has gotten amnesia in the last twenty chapters and does not remember the clues she has provided), I just thought another potential explanation...that could explain why and the hunters and Kaname are letting her go...and the hunters are also sheltering her.

    I think that they are expecting her to reveal something more, they are waiting a revelation from her part that perhaps exposes the real villain that they are facing. Like the true threat?

    After all no one here seems convinced that Sara is the true villain here because due to her years and her expertise (and the lack of handing anti-vampire weapons) she is an inadequate opponent both to Zero and to Kaname?

    could it be possibly? I know that there not many clues here that could lead us here to another villain but if that was the case, wouldn't that justify at least why Sara is let loose until now and also why she is placed in the academy and next to her Zero?

    And another part the Harem, what purpose does it serve? could it be in order to serve as a Harem to a true master that would need blood? too much blood in order to be revived perhaps, and that master would also need an army that Sara is preparing or more servants that the pills will create through multiple side effects? So could she be preparing the way for someone else to arrive?


    I know, too much theory and ideas there rofl rofl rofl , but that's the best part about VK.













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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by sweetsolace on Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:25 am

    it was shown that only by the beginning of the second arc did Kaname order Ruka and Kain to check the Hanadagi's, in the first arc none of this was shown, and we know where Ruka and Kain were. Therefore, only during the time around the second arc did Kaname begin to monitor the Hanadagi's, for whatever reason. Hence, the premise "anything that disturbs the castle will prompt Kaname to move" is not too accurate, since anything can disturb the castle in the first arc, and would necessitate surveillance, but Kaname didn't do that.

    Therefore, something in the second arc prompted Kaname to watch over the Hanadagi's. Knowing his character, he had probably foreseen the events that will happen in the castle in the future, due to something. This something can be anything but let's see the new events that ignited at the start of the first arc:
    -the kidnappings of the children by vampires under orders from a "master" (ch49,last)

    -Sara kidnapped Takuma before 2nd arc began (ch45,p28) and Kaname knew where he was and told Rima and Shiki not to search from him (ch53,p29). He sent invitations to both Sara and Takuma for the Kuran ball (ch52,p28). Then during the ball, Kaname watched over the room of Sara's fiance, Ouri's, thru Seiren, perhaps foreseeing what will happen(ch54,p28). Something did happen and Kaname knew it, but he let Sara get away(ch55,p23-24).

    before the ball, Kaname already told Kain and Ruka to watch over the castle (ch52,p19-20). I presume it was the first time they went there, since it immediately alerted the castle's guardian. Hence, their mission was a new one, and recent. this was in chapter 52--- 5 or more chapters after Sara kidnapped Takuma.

    So is it a coincidence, or Kaname appears to have already foreseen what Sara could be after by chapter 52 just because she had kidnapped Takuma? the other steps Kaname made after that seemed like they were just to confirm his suspicion on Sara. But again, he made no move to catch her and even allowed her to do what she wants until chapter 67.

    But notice along the way to that chapter, there were anonymous intels that the hunters received pointing out to Sara's new movements, the harem (ch58,p22) as well as tablets (ch65,p9). But again, the hunters did nothing about this, or they stopped by the time she made her move on the tablets. And hunter-san merely "watched" (ch65,p9). The hunters did nothing again when Sara comes to their doorstep.

    There's a deliberate attempt to ALLOW her to get away with everything, both from Kaname's part and the hunters (or just hunter-san). I can at least safely say that this is confirmed.

    So who decided she should get away? The one who planned all this from the beginning, Kaname.
    Why let her get away? thats the question... Sara had been getting her way since she started her plans. Kaname even "cleaned" up after her by taking the blame of the mess she made and becoming a murderer... But the fact is, kaname had been watching over Hanadagi since the beginning of Sara's plan (kidnap takuma) so he had planned to take the blame all along. Even perhaps, to be branded as a "murderer".

    Now, looking at Sara's actions in the castle..

    Sara went in the castle thru Ouri's power and nearly killed the guardian. BUT she doesn't finish her, or that's what was seen (ch67,p18). That's one witness.
    Sara then thought she might need blood to awaken Hanadagi and if so Aido-dono would serve the purpose as a "snack". (ch67,p21)

    Aido-dono then warns her not to start another "conflict between purebloods" and Sara replies with "If you're scared then go and hide underground" (ch67,p22)
    *Note the "conflict within purebloods" and her suggestion to hide "underground."

    Then she rips out Hanadagi's heart. And then she flees, leaving 2-3 witnesses behind, and alive! If she wanted to be clean to the public's eyes, she would not let them live. But first of all, her priority in the castle is to take Hanadagi's heart, and second she is "weak", and she needed a hunters hand to kill Hanadagi(ch67,p23). That alone is enough reason to have no choice but to leave the witnesses be. Therefore, there's NO point killing all witnesses when there's at least one witness left alive that she cant kill.

    Now, about Kaname's participation in Sara's plans...

    Note that Nagamichi had mentioned before "the conflict between purebloods" and warned Sara not to start it. The way he phrased it sounded like she was going to start a war between purebloods, and it also matches that Sara said, "Yes, many lives will be lost". She also says, "If you're scared, you can hide underground until its over". She knew there was going to be a huge massacre happening, so yes indeed it bears similarities to a war.

    How she was going to start it? For one, she took the heart of the "protector of the purebloods" as his guardian said (ch52,p20). This Hanadagi person must be considered the VIP of the purebloods: he had one guardian who guards his castle, PLUS a seal in his castle that can only be broken with Ouri's power. Ouri, as told by Hanadagi, was also a "powerful" pureblood, which surprised him that a "weak" girl like Sara managed to take his power (ch67,p24).
    Therefore, two fields protect Hanadagi: one was the guardian, and the other was the powerful seal of Ouri.
    *Ouri, I presume, cast a spell or a barrier on the castle which was rendered useless with his death. OR his power was the key itself for that seal to be unlocked.

    So yes, Hanadagi is theoretically an important figure in pureblood society. It can even be speculated that he is the symbolism of the thing that holds the purebloods at bay. Or something to that effect.
    *Note how hanadagi wanted Aido-dono's blood to "know what was happening in pureblood society". In short he wants to be updated to the latest news... for what reason? He just got his heart ripped off and he wants to know the news?
    So there, it is hinting on the importance of Hanadagi's role... What would be the meaning of his awakening?


    *Note how Nagamichi recognizes his presence and even bows reverently towards him upon his rising. And Nagamichi seems to know his history lessons as well as what just happened with Ouri's castle-- he knew there was a seal on the castle, he knew what was needed to break the seal and he also knew what it means to break that seal.

    Why Kaname killed Hanadagi for Sara? He had brought the cursed hunter's sword with him knowing he will use, he had the castle be watched over for some time, and he waited for Sara to make her move. All this so Sara could get her way.

    Now, if we piece the clues so far...

    Sara starting something like a war between purebloods by killing purebloods...
    the massive conflict will arise due to that...
    Kaname killing the only witnesses to what had happened...

    could it be that Kaname was preventing that information from leaking to the public? So he killed all the witnesses and let himself take the blame?

    If that information leaked to the public, Sara would be the criminal and this would stunt whatever she is planning as the hunters go after her, which does not fit according to what Kaname allowed for her to happen. He WANTS her to get away with her plans, and one thing to remember is that her plans also works for his plans.
    Another possibility is that Kaname might know the panic and chaos that would ensue when the information gets out in public...especially among purebloods. If the purebloods knew Sara just started a war between purebloods, they would be picking sides and start eating each other, or to that effect. Hence whatever she did MUST be kept a secret.

    *This must be related to the subject Aido-dono and Takuma discussed in separate chapters in 2nd arc (ch65) (ch66): "The greatest crime a pureblood can commit."
    *Remember the time when Kaname killed Shizuka out of need and took her power? And he placed the blame on Zero? Kaname had just killed a pureblood, and he didn't take the blame for it, saying "he still have some things to do at the academy.". Remember the fact he doesn't owe up to this crime, BUT he owed up to the fact he had wiped out the council members. He let Zero take the blame, though unintentionally, and then bailed him out later by defending him.
    *As for Zero and Yuki killing Rido, they didn't eat his heart. or take his power. He simply died.
    *This "secrecy" might be connected to the letter with the wax seal Isaya received in chapter 69, if the contents of the letter informed him of what TRULY happened in Hanadagi's castle as well as the hunter's involvement, then it was an information that was exclusively for HIM, and perhaps it also told him that he was "safe" from being killed. Hence, the wax seal was used to authenticate the contents of the letter, and to prevent any unauthorized person reading it.

    Sara got away with it, and she knew someone covered her up. She would be stupid if she told anyone that she just started a war or ate purebloods' hearts, so the best way to make up for the situation was to PIN the blame on Kaname, effectively diverting suspicion away from her. It worked for her plans, and I think that's all that mattered for her.

    Kaname probably also knew that Sara was a sucker for anything that "worked" for her plans, he makes use of this and he allows her to get away and allow himself to take the blame.

    Kaname then, being the fugitive with a dirty name, takes advantage of the situation he is in OR he goes according to what he had envisioned all along. He kills all the heads of the pureblood families, for whatever reason I can't think of yet, and activates the volcanic contraption that will "start a climate change".
    My speculation is this, he wants to prevent the 'war' from getting worse or from officially starting or going public. So he kills the pureblood heads, only the heads of the families, before they found out the truth that the war already started, to prevent their participation in it by aiming for the "head". Then he activates the volcano, perhaps, to serve as a diversion in case the war does officially start, buying him enough time to do whatever he plans. Or it can also serve to "cleanse" the place while he was starting his reformation plans for VS.

    As we see Sara seems very confident now and has completely let her guard down as she resides inside the academy, having made no new move so far. And this is probably what Kaname was expecting: she would eventually become idle as she gets what she wants.. But not yet. She started working under the shadows thru the tablets. Just as she does, Kaname appears near the area, and as he does he also seems to make a visit to Isaya's house... Perhaps to visit him officially?

    Yuki as a distraction for Kaname is duly so. Its just like all the romance movies where the guy doesn't want his woman hurt or involved in danger, so he leaves her forcibly to her foster father.

    Kaien as the one who holds her back is doing an effective job, she was given duties as if she was just living a farm life but with a lame excuse. Though as for Sara being on the same grounds as her, and Kaien doesn't know that nor does Kaname seem to mind it, maybe it will be revealed soon. Razz


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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by juliet on Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:26 am

    There's a deliberate attempt to ALLOW her to get away with everything, both from Kaname's part and the hunters (or just hunter-san). I can at least safely say that this is confirmed.

    Under this view some things are starting to make sense, no?

    Remember the message that Isaya got; the reputation of the purebloods will be going bad but so the reputation of the hunters"...

    Look exactly what we are discussing here;

    Kaname we know; already stated a bersek and a murderer, but the hunters? but aren't we calling the "inadequate, stupid or useless" already? haha...true prophecy...

    So he kills the pureblood heads, only the heads of the families, before they found out the truth that the war already started, to prevent their participation in it by aiming for the "head".

    I was thinking about allies...perhpas he kills the purebloods that he knows that will turn against him due to history, if that makes any sense.








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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by sweetsolace on Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:30 pm



    @the sender of the letter
    I know Im probably reading too much in the lines here, but given that anything can be a hint in this story, its not too exaggerated to examine offtopic details especially during this "waiting period" until author decides to answer questions Razz. And there are anonymous senders or informants that have appeared in the 2nd arc deliberately. so moving on.

    Isaya's comment highlights who the sender of the letter is. It looks like he was briefed on what was happening out there by someone who told him about the purebloods situation, the question is what for? The letter contents can possibly come from a daily newspaper subscriber, but again, whats with the formality of the letteR?

    It is also highly possible that the sender of the letter came from the nobility of the vampire aristocrats, which would explain the seal. After all, they were scared about Kaname's attacks and perhaps were sending out warnings to all purebloods about it. But several things does not fit in this scene:
    -if Isaya was supposedly "warned" to watch out for Kaname, or he just heard that his life was at risk, why is his expression calm? Or his maid told him that he was going to be fine? the assurance that his life wont be in danger doesn't seem to have any source. Or perhaps something else was hidden here.

    so the other possibility is that the sender is someone he knows. So that limits the options to: Kurans (Juri, Kaname, Yuki) and Kaien,based on the people who interacted with him so far.
    If it's Kaien, why would he tell him about whats happening out there? It could be that they are friends, Kaien wants him safe and warned, and other reasons. But again why does Isaya seem as if this "warning" looks as though it had reassured his safety rather than feel alerted by it?

    Now as for Kaname being the sender....
    juliet wrote:
    Kaname we know; already stated a bersek and a murderer, but the hunters? but aren't we calling the "inadequate, stupid or useless" already? haha...true prophecy...
    IF the letter has the following:
    -it was sent by Kaname, due to the wax seal
    -it informed Isaya about the true situation around him, as well as telling him he was not going to be a target --Kaname, after all, was the one doing the killing--which would make sense why the letter reassured Isaya rather than alerting him
    -the nature of the circumstances necessitate the letter as form of communication

    his comment:
    "the reputation of the purebloods will go bad again --
    -not only highlights that he knows something about the past when he says "again".
    -but also that he knew what Kaname was causing out there made the reputation of the purebloods bad. OR he was talking about what Sara had started to cause (following the theory I posted before this)

    the other comment:
    "its the same situation for the hunter's side.
    -its simple, really... rofl
    whatever reason the hunters might have for ignoring Sara, this will eventually impact their name if they refuse to do anything or to continue ignoring her. An example is the distribution of the tablets, if that continues and it happened, the blame goes to them for not being vigilant enough, hence "their reputation will go bad" rofl
    IF ^ that phrase was what it meant, then indeed if you tie both phrases together, Isaya knew both about Sara's involvement and the hunters involvement. Hence who else could be the sender? bounce


    I was thinking about allies...perhpas he kills the purebloods that he knows that will turn against him due to history, if that makes any sense.
    it is possible, actually anything is possible since we dont have any answers, only clues. Razz
    tho if kaname is selective in killing purebloods to kill only those who were his enemies in the past seems off with the idea that he had possibly eliminated all of his enemies before he went to sleep, so why leave the others alive?
    also if they were his enemies, and he killed the father or head of the family, that would be more cause for revenge on the ones who were left behind, giving him more enemies who would turn against him if he was planning to start a war later on.

    However, if he only killed the ones who gave out the orders for the rest of the family to move or decide anything, in a way that prevented them from acting out
    as one, or literally they cannot function without the "head". Why do this? In a way I see Kaname's methods aim to incapacitate other purebloods as preventive measures; before something happens.
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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by juliet on Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:09 pm

    sweetsolace wrote:

    the other comment:
    "its the same situation for the hunter's side.
    -its simple, really... rofl
    whatever reason the hunters might have for ignoring Sara, this will eventually impact their name if they refuse to do anything or to continue ignoring her. An example is the distribution of the tablets, if that continues and it happened, the blame goes to them for not being vigilant enough, hence "their reputation will go bad" rofl
    IF ^ that phrase was what it meant, then indeed if you tie both phrases together, Isaya knew both about Sara's involvement and the hunters involvement. Hence who else could be the sender? bounce

    Exactly IF, but that IF makes perfect sense about the dual impact here; one for Kaname going crazy, one for the hunters going useless due to their postponed action, their delay and also their phenomenical apathy to do into a deeper investigation taht could have already nailed Sara down.

    Haha, Isaya can skip the allegations because he is a mere spectator; perhaps that is what the maid here means? it could be...

    About the sender of the letter; could be Kaname, asking for an alliance, or it could be also Takuma (who we also suspect as the anonymous info provider to the hunters) and thus he know first hand that the hunters are not really doing anything about it.

    Missing kaname and being alone, Takuma might also be asking for a solution here...

    Just another idea to consider....It's a long shot, but as you say, anything could be possible...









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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by nina on Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:51 pm

    Juliet wrote:
    There is another possibility … I have the feeling that Sara didn’t pick Hanadagi as her target accidentally. She had a solid reason for her choice.

    Sara seems to know from Takuma that Kaname is the ancestor, so she knows history and she knows the allies and the enemies of the familly. The moment that she disturbs the peace of the castle, that moment Kaname sets out to kill Hanadagi. At first it might even seem as an alliance but we all know it's not possible. So the ultimate backup scenario is that Sara KNEW exactly how Kaname would proceed if she moved towards Hanadagi.

    If our speculations are true then the question is, how she learnt the history??? The tip that Kaname is an ancestor gets it from Takuma but I doubt if Takuma had so deep knowledge, with so many details from the past. Also the history books I think are out of question cuz as we have seen thus far, only contain general information … So from where???

    Possibilities:

    1. From Asato and the ex-senate. She played the “good girl” in order to derive info for her own agenda ofc. But I think there is a hole in this scenario … Even if she was under good terms with Asato, she was still a PB, viz a much more powerful creature from the nobles. The senate wanted to control the PBs … so I think they would have been very careful with such “sensitive” info for their own good.

    2. A far fetched theory is that she gained that knowledge about Hana etc. from Kaname via Takuma. I know there is no explanation of why Kaname would do such thing. The crazy idea crossed my mind cuz Kaname monitored Hanadagi’s castle prior any action/move take place, except from Takuma’s capture from Sara.

    sweetsolace wrote: Therefore, something in the second arc prompted Kaname to watch over the Hanadagi's. Knowing his character, he had probably foreseen the events that will happen in the castle in the future, due to something.

    Right … So what IF he passed that info to Sara deliberately and then he watched his castle to see if Sara will make any move????

    As sweetsolace also pointed out, Kaname had send Seiren to observe Ouri’s room. Was only that Sara had capture Takuma that made Kaname to suspect her; or there was something more?
    From Hanadagi’s servant words to Kain and Ruka >>> “Yet more vermin trying to awaken my lords from their slumber” we can assume that this castle had more “disturbing” visits prior Kain and Ruka … from whom? It wouldn’t be so strange if Sara or someone from her had visit the castle since she afterwards killed Ouri in order to obtain his power to go through Hanadagi’s icy shield.

    3. As Juliet said … what if Sara has to reveal more???
    Juliet wrote: And while wondering why the hunters are letting everything pass by, (as if Hino has gotten amnesia in the last twenty chapters and does not remember the clues she has provided), I just thought another potential explanation...that could explain why and the hunters and Kaname are letting her go...and the hunters are also sheltering her.

    I think that they are expecting her to reveal something more, they are waiting a revelation from her part that perhaps exposes the real villain that they are facing. Like the true threat?

    About the hunters I have my reservations that they waiting for something bigger to be revealed … like a real great villain behind Sara. At least thus far they have shown that they are more re-active than proactive … usually are dragged from the developments than foreseen them … I’m not saying that they ate Sara’s words … Zero’s changed stance when Sara moved into the academy it could be an indication that they do not trust her, but from that point to have such a strategy as to wait to expose her accomplice it’s a long way lol. After all Cross accusation towards Kaname says otherwise …

    But Kaname is another story … I think Sara is another piece into his chess …

    Juliet wrote: I know that there not many clues here that could lead us here to another villain

    Mmm I do not agree with that completely… there are events that haven’t addressed yet:
    - The children kidnaps (cases that Zero seems that investigates for quite some time now.).
    - Human’s auction, again with no clue about who organized …
    - Touma … nothing more about him except the incident with Yuuki … And I wonder; his role was only that???

    Now at least the kidnaps had started before Sara sets in action her plan for the tabs … she captured the president, afterwards. So if we assume that she wanted the children for her tabs, how she knew that she’ll need them? I guess she didn’t have a deep knowledge and that’s why we saw the president to be worried about his research after his imprisonment.
    Also at her dungeon where she held her prisoners we didn’t see any sign of children.
    Why Hino is keeping as a secret the master’s name who ordered the kidnaps if the culprit was Sara? After all she exposed from the very beginning Sara’s intentions and in the process a lot of her moves …

    juliet wrote: After all no one here seems convinced that Sara is the true villain here because due to her years and her expertise (and the lack of handing anti-vampire weapons) she is an inadequate opponent both to Zero and to Kaname?
    .
    .
    And another part the Harem, what purpose does it serve? could it be in order to serve as a Harem to a true master that would need blood? too much blood in order to be revived perhaps, and that master would also need an army that Sara is preparing or more servants that the pills will create through multiple side effects? So could she be preparing the way for someone else to arrive?

    Interesting … if so , how that is gonna make her, Queen? From what we have seen so far is safe to assume that Sara is a very ambitious lady… “Mark my words … someday I’ll be queen”. So if she is a tool into someone else’s hands (a very powerful PB … more in Kaname’s league lol) then her plan to become the Queen and rule is questionable. Except if she plans to marry the potential King the great villain in VK and rule together … ???

    sweetsolace wrote: Aido-dono then warns her not to start another "conflict between purebloods" and Sara replies with "If you're scared then go and hide underground" (ch67,p22)
    .
    .
    Note that Nagamichi had mentioned before "the conflict between purebloods" and warned Sara not to start it. The way he phrased it sounded like she was going to start a war between purebloods, and it also matches that Sara said, "Yes, many lives will be lost". She also says, "If you're scared, you can hideunderground until its over". She knew there was going to be a huge massacre happening, so yes indeed it bears similarities to a war.

    Very sharp observation sweet! Shizuka’s and Rido’s extermination didn’t brought any “conflict within the PBs” … so why Hanadagi’s would? Also Sara had said that she created an army willing to sacrifice limb by limb for her … viz she was expecting indeed a war …

    But for now my feeling is that Sara is a distraction … as Shizuka was in the first arc IF she’s working alone!
    IMO the real threat which Kaname is dealing with I think it comes from another source and from the past. There are many hints/references that pinpoints at this direction but I won’t go further since we have discussed that matter in another thread!

    The hunters seems to think that they have the upper hand concerning Sara, since they have her “restrained” at the academy and from Cross’s recently moves towards Kaname seems like he is targeting blindly at the wrong direction (as some readers as well lol) cuz the reality is quite different >>> Sara freely wandering around at the academy, testing her tabs with her harem, talking about them casually with Yuuki, distributing them at the market, making provocative offers to their most powerful hunter, children have been kidnapped, human girls at auctions and what Cross is doing??? He points his sword to Kaname because he doesn’t want to return Yuuki to him lol!

    And I wonder … what is hunters’ FIRST priority; to protect humans from the vampires OR to protect vampires and PBs from their inter conflicts??? !!!
    And IF they thrown the blame again for the chaos to Kaname cuz he stepped down from his position that is simply the proof that they are incapable to keep the peace alone and to protect the human race …

    >>> “the reputation of the hunters will go bad” … for now Isaya’s words seems so true!





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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by Lisi on Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:01 pm

    There is something i don't understand...

    it's written in the fanbook.
    sara's type of man is kaname.

    what does she mean by that??? xD

    her favourite type to kill? xD
    cause the most people think they are enemies...
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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by sweetsolace on Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:22 pm

    There is another possibility … I have the feeling that Sara didn’t pick Hanadagi as her target accidentally. She had a solid reason for her choice.

    that "solid reason" could be the fact that Hanadagi might be an important pureblood in society, as Ive mentioned before, Handagi has two fields that protect him, why go thru all that protection if he's not an important pureblood, and even Aido-dono seems to be concerned about these fields being broken or violated. So he did his homework OR its common knowledge among vampires exactly the meaning of Hanadagi role or the seal on his castle.

    Sara seems to know from Takuma that Kaname is the ancestor, so she knows history and she knows the allies and the enemies of the familly.

    there's no need for that if she already knows that Kaname is the king of vampires, the Kurans after all have a famous reputation for being the past rulers. Sara wants to become the queen, she needs a king, or perhaps she wanted to be the only ruler around which means she has to get rid of kaname.

    Right … So what IF he passed that info to Sara deliberately and then he watched his castle to see if Sara will make any move????

    rather odd move from Kaname. He already made a test for his suspiciouns towards Sara's motives when he invited her to his ball and had her fiancee watched over by seiren. It was a test to confirm his suspicions , if she uses that chance to kill Ouri and pass the blame to all purebloods present there, that was positive that she indeed might have plans for ouri's power, which unlocks the castle.
    So it wouldnt be surprising if Kaname already knew where she was going after that. He just has to wait and see WHEN she will decide to strike.

    From Hanadagi’s servant words to Kain and Ruka >>> “Yet more
    vermin trying to awaken my lords from their slumber” we can assume that
    this castle had more “disturbing” visits prior Kain and Ruka … from
    whom? It wouldn’t be so strange if Sara or someone from her had visit
    the castle since she afterwards killed Ouri in order to obtain his power
    to go through Hanadagi’s icy shield.

    so if someone else is checking out hanadagi's castle, then s/he's also checking out hanadagi's status much like Kaname is doing. It could be possible Sara had checked the place before she charged, after all she did have plans to invade it later on, but she is clearly leaving herself out in the open if she did that.


    Now at least the kidnaps had started before Sara sets in action her
    plan for the tabs … she captured the president, afterwards. So if we
    assume that she wanted the children for her tabs, how she knew that
    she’ll need them? I guess she didn’t have a deep knowledge and that’s
    why we saw the president to be worried about his research after his
    imprisonment.
    Also at her dungeon where she held her prisoners we didn’t see any sign of children.
    Why
    Hino is keeping as a secret the master’s name who ordered the kidnaps
    if the culprit was Sara? After all she exposed from the very beginning
    Sara’s intentions and in the process a lot of her moves …
    its possible that the children and the tablets may or may not be connected. There was no mention what kind of source her tablet's ingredients come from, or what makes it tasty, so either she used her blood, or the blood of human children or both to spice up her tablets.
    There is no mention on the "master " who orders this kidnappings either, as we learned in that photoloving chapter, a "master" is one who controls lower vampires to do what they want, therefore the "master" is a pureblood.
    Therefore, if this "master" of children kidnappings is connected to making Sara's tablets tastier, then Sara has a pureblood ally there who helps her goals.
    There's one flaw to this, though, its still unexplained what happens to the children when they are kidnapped.
    are they returned to their parents? what about their health? whatever happened to them might point out their role in a pureblood's game.
    Also, remember the human auction where the vampire used his human girlfriend to stage up the show, what was the purpose, or was he under someone's order?
    Too many questions... and not enough clues to tie up two incidents together.

    Shizuka’s and Rido’s extermination didn’t brought any “conflict within the PBs” … so why Hanadagi’s would?
    In Shizuka's death where her heart was ripped out, they thought Zero killed her, and he's a v.hunter. Nobody witnessed Kaname did it. When Kain saw Zero and thought he did it, Kaname went along with that suspicion, though it was never proven, and Kaname defended Zero. If it's illegal for a pureblood to eat a pureblood's heart, enough to start a huge conflict, then it makes sense for Kaname not to owe up to it. or the reason why Kaname seems to protect the truth that Sara ate a pureblood's heart. But I think Hanadagi's a special case so Kaname went through lengths.

    There's another possibility I've considered. Maybe Kaname wants to lure out that "other pureblood" out there by letting Sara get away? He can just kill her and get it over with so he can save himself a lot of trouble before she can even start something. As we know, he knew about Sara's plans possibly as early as chapter 45 when Takuma was kidnapped, by then he could've killed her earlier before letting her actualize her plans for Hanadagi's castle. But he didn't. He even watched over the castle, waiting for her to strike, and then cleaning up after her.
    Now, this leads me to think about something. What if Kaname uses her to make her become the tool for that "other pureblood" to come out? He let her get away from major crimes, but he never harmed a hair on her head and even saved her from being a murderer. To do so much must mean he has BIGGER plans for her other than her death. To actualize such plans it would make sense if he had bought the silence of the hunters and might explain why they're doing nothing. And this leads to the "other pureblood"

    could this be that pureblood who orders the kidnappings, the "master"? makes sense if Sara's actions were either a distraction, or to help support this "master's" plans. She wanted to become a queen, to be a queen she needs a king, maybe she already has one? (if that king is ofc, not kaname) and she's supporting this king get rid of kaname by searching info thru Takuma? as we felt like Sara was a distraction rather than the main boss, because she does not constantly move, and moreover as if she's pampering her ego than actually trying to become a queen.
    IMO would make sense if she had another king there. it might also explain why she got rid of ouri, her fiancee. she's ambitious and perhaps she found that ouri could not match her ambition to be a queen.

    But for now my feeling is that Sara is a distraction … as Shizuka was in the first arc IF she’s working alone!
    IMO
    the real threat which Kaname is dealing with I think it comes from
    another source and from the past. There are many hints/references that
    pinpoints at this direction but I won’t go further since we have
    discussed that matter in another thread!
    it could be. Sara appears like she's playing around taunting everyone, perhaps it can explain why the hunters are not making any moves towards her, maybe they know what she serves and acting on her would just waste their energy. But somehow doesnt explain why she had to eat hanadagi's heart, if that action served merely as a distraction she could've just broken the seal and purposely ravaged the castle. but she had taken an important thing that Kaname deliberately anticipated and intentionally covered her up by killing the witnesses. OR it could be she did that for someone else's sake? the word "master" of the kidnappings linked to her could be a clue for that other pureblood...


    >>> “the reputation of the hunters will go bad” … for now Isaya’s words seems so true!
    hahah true, Razz Razz they are certainly doing everything to live up to it.


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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by mariangie on Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:42 pm

    Lisi wrote:There is something i don't understand...

    it's written in the fanbook.
    sara's type of man is kaname.

    what does she mean by that??? xD

    her favourite type to kill? xD
    cause the most people think they are enemies...

    Her favorite food to taste !

    Sara as Black Vampire Widow .

    She mates her food before eating them .

    Very kinky girly tastes .

    Poor Kaname . Run from her before Sara decided to make to you the same move as Ouri's .

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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by juliet on Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:46 pm

    Lisi wrote:There is something i don't understand...

    it's written in the fanbook.
    sara's type of man is kaname.

    what does she mean by that??? xD

    her favourite type to kill? xD
    cause the most people think they are enemies...

    It means that this is the type of man that she likes Razz Razz Razz
    imagine what woulf have happened to him if she did not like him rofl rofl

    I am sure she wants to drink his blood there,

    apparently a crazy solution would be Kaname to sSig_censored Sara and make her happy geek but since he has no intention to sSig_censored (hm, marry her)and with Yuuki's appearance I guess Sara has no option but to set out how to be a Queen on her own (without his help)!!






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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by nina on Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:02 pm

    juliet wrote:
    Lisi wrote:There is something i don't understand...

    it's written in the fanbook.
    sara's type of man is kaname.

    what does she mean by that??? xD

    her favourite type to kill? xD
    cause the most people think they are enemies...

    It means that this is the type of man that she likes Razz Razz Razz
    imagine what woulf have happened to him if she did not like him rofl rofl

    I am sure she wants to drink his blood there,

    apparently a crazy solution would be Kaname to sSig_censored Sara and make her happy geek but since he has no intention to sSig_censored (hm, marry her)and with Yuuki's appearance I guess Sara has no option but to set out how to be a Queen on her own (without his help)!!

    rofl rofl rofl Yes ... Sara had the hots for Kaname ... remember the first ball in 1st arc how she approached him ... Then Yuuki appeared and screwed up her plans Evil or Very Mad

    Sara is a bitter rejected woman. Razz





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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by sweetsolace on Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:30 pm

    nina wrote:
    Sara is a bitter rejected woman. Razz

    well. Razz

    If someone like Kaname gets taken, who wouldn't turn sour and green with envy? with the way he treats Yuki... Razz

    but oh how Zero would have loved this attention... though, he's starting to go down that path too, now there are three members in his Harem Fanclub: Sara, Maria and possibly Yuki. Maybe in the future there will be more who want to become his "husband" and marry him then someone can say, "get in line!"
    I wonder how girls would feel if he gets taken too no more "eligible"/ "hot" bachelor
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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by nina on Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:39 pm

    sweetsolace wrote:
    nina wrote:
    Sara is a bitter rejected woman. Razz

    well. Razz

    If someone like Kaname gets taken, who wouldn't turn sour and green with envy? with the way he treats Yuki... Razz


    Are you talking about me??? sSig_busted

    but oh how Zero would have loved this attention... though, he's starting to go down that path too, now there are three members in his Harem Fanclub: Sara, Maria and possibly Yuki. Maybe in the future there will be more
    I wonder how girls would feel if he gets taken too no more "eligible"/ "hot" bachelor

    Mmm maybe Yori rofl and what about that singer with the big b**bs rofl rofl rofl





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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by sweetsolace on Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:52 pm

    nina wrote:
    sweetsolace wrote:
    nina wrote:
    Sara is a bitter rejected woman. Razz

    well. Razz

    If someone like Kaname gets taken, who wouldn't turn sour and green with envy? with the way he treats Yuki... Razz


    Are you talking about me???






    but oh how Zero would have loved this attention... though, he's starting to go down that path too, now there are three members in his Harem Fanclub: Sara, Maria and possibly Yuki. Maybe in the future there will be more
    I wonder how girls would feel if he gets taken too no more "eligible"/ "hot" bachelor

    Mmm maybe Yori and what about that singer with the big b**bs

    or white lily?


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