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    What does Sara want?

    Post by Knightmare on Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:44 am

    First topic message reminder :

    Sara told Takuma she wants to be queen. She said she didn't want to lose her purpose, and so have something to live for.

    I cannot understand her ambition and whether we're actually meant to buy this or not. Is she really so simple? what advantages are there to being ruler?

    - Most of the purebloods don't care about ruling, they only care about themselves
    - Is she unhappy with some aspects of their society? because otherwise, she pretty much seems to be doing what she wants anyway.
    - Why bother with the obvious hassle of gathering allies (which she isn't doing) in order to keep the vampires under control. She doesn't need to be ruler if she doesn't want to keep control of the vampires.
    - She doesn't need to be ruler if she just wants to do whatever she wants, she just has to be sneaky.
    - She doesn't have to be ruler if she wants to shake up the society or even break the treaty.

    It just all seems....very very shallow and non purposeful. So what is her purpose?

    Secondly, how is she trying to achieve it? I'd like to be able to see an actual method to understand her character.
    - Creating a harem of girls to make everyone think she's an airhead/make the hunters suspicious of her
    - Tasty blood tablets
    - Creating people as soldiers
    - Taking purebloods hearts to gain strength and not covering up her actions (she left witnesses)
    - Trying to win Zero over
    - Forcing her "allies" to drink her blood
    - Blaming Kaname for her crimes no one suspects her of

    Where does Sara see this as all leading?
    -Kaname has even vacated his position for a couple of months now and even killed fellow purebloods and is doubted by everyone
    -Sara is sitting on her tush following Yuuki to school, who hasn't managed to gain any real following and has everyone doubting her because of Kaname.
    - Now was the perfect time to swoop in and "play" the good leader, I don't know what Sara is waiting for, the longer she waits, the better position Yuuki gets into.
    -Why does Sara put herself into a precarious position of suspicion (her harem) and now change her mind and focus other misdeeds(ouri's suicide) on Kaname?

    The best time to usurp the leadership position would have been just after the Kaname killed Hanadagi and Nagamichi, before Yuuki gained any momentum in support when all the vampires were suspicious of kaname and his sister. It seems like Sara missed a prime opportunity there, even if the rest of her plan was not ready, she could have improved her standing so easily and make it even easier later on to step into the leadership role.

    And most of all, where does Sara stand on Kaname and his actions, how do they fit into her plans? Does anything upset her? Is she deliberately playing into kaname's hands? It would be nice to see her considering something instead of just random action. If Sara had already proved herself a mastermind, I might be more accepting of her methods rather than being annoyed by it all.

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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by sweetsolace on Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:52 pm

    nina wrote:
    sweetsolace wrote:
    nina wrote:
    Sara is a bitter rejected woman. Razz

    well. Razz

    If someone like Kaname gets taken, who wouldn't turn sour and green with envy? with the way he treats Yuki... Razz


    Are you talking about me???






    but oh how Zero would have loved this attention... though, he's starting to go down that path too, now there are three members in his Harem Fanclub: Sara, Maria and possibly Yuki. Maybe in the future there will be more
    I wonder how girls would feel if he gets taken too no more "eligible"/ "hot" bachelor

    Mmm maybe Yori and what about that singer with the big b**bs

    or white lily?


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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by Bloodredhead on Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:53 pm

    sweetsolace wrote:or white lily?


    sSc_jawdrop3

    my poor zero being accussed of beastiality!!!
    *shields zero*



    oh you forgot one major person in your list girls.
    ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    that boy is soooo mine!!! sLo_BigBearHug

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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by sweetsolace on Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:02 am

    Bloodredhead wrote:
    sweetsolace wrote:or white lily?




    my poor zero being accussed of beastiality!!!
    *shields zero*



    oh you forgot one major person in your list girls.
    ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    that boy is soooo mine!!!



    oh but Zero does love White Lily... you're just jealous and green with envy as he has feelings for her and he won't even look at you, a faithful vk follower you poor thing.

    but you can do it!! you will need all the encouragement you can get, you can't lose to a horse!


    haha time to start a new line of business here... now Zero's heart is on sale. his "eligibility" still blazes hot and is up for grabs.

    you can start by having the authority to tell the rabid fangirls to "get in line" wow that line is getting famous out here

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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by nina on Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:50 pm

    sweetsolace wrote: that "solid reason" could be the fact that Hanadagi might be an important pureblood in society, as Ive mentioned before, Handagi has two fields that protect him,

    Totally agree … this is what I was implying in the first place … Hanadagi could be a very important PB (he even has a title “the protector of the PBs!) … and what has importance/gravity in vampires’ world; power… a power that Sara now holds even partly since she took only his heart …

    There's another possibility I've considered. Maybe Kaname wants to lure out that "other pureblood" out there by letting Sara get away? He can just kill her and get it over with so he can save himself a lot of trouble before she can even start something.

    Right … that’s why I said earlier >>>”So what IF he passed that info to Sara deliberately and then he watched his castle to see if Sara will make any move????”
    … since I also think that there is another “master” behind the scene, either he collaborates with Sara or not … But anyway it’s far fetched idea I know.

    As we know, he knew about Sara's plans possibly as early as chapter 45 when Takuma was kidnapped, by then he could've killed her earlier before letting her actualize her plans for Hanadagi's castle. But he didn't. He even watched over the castle, waiting for her to strike, and then cleaning up after her.

    My impression is that until Sara breaks Hanadagi’s shield, she was serving Kaname’s plan … I mean after she killed Ouri I think he was certain that her next move would be Hanadagi … So he let her do the job and then he steps in and finishing Hana … From that point sets his original plan in action which I do not know how can be related with Sara …
    - If Sara is preparing the road for another PB then it’s logical to let her for the time being in order to fully expose her plan viz and the master-mind behind eventually.
    - If Sara works alone and her main plan are the tampered tablets, then he is dealing with something bigger and left Sara (as a minor threat) to the hunters or to deal with her later …

    But somehow doesnt explain why she had to eat hanadagi's heart, if that action served merely as a distraction she could've just broken the seal and purposely ravaged the castle.

    I characterized her as a distraction from Hino … like in the 1st arc at first projected Shizuka as the main villain since at first seemed that she was the root of all the bad things while afterwards proved that the real big threat was Rido and the senate …
    If Hino is using the same pattern for the 2nd arc as well, she has shed light to almost everything that Sara does while only giving hints that something bigger is happening.
    Also from the scene where Kain discovers the distribution of the tabs (last chapter) and the headline from the preview >>>
    " Kaname stands face to face with the Headmaster.On the other hand , at the Academy , What will Sara do with her suspicious movements ! ? " … seems like she’ll focus on Sara’s actions before we get to see more about Kaname’s plan/motives … (if the headlines are not a troll Razz)





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    Post by juliet on Thu Sep 08, 2011 3:12 pm

    1. From Asato and the ex-senate. She played the “good girl” in order to derive info for her own agenda ofc. But I think there is a hole in this scenario … Even if she was under good terms with Asato, she was still a PB, viz a much more powerful creature from the nobles. The senate wanted to control the PBs … so I think they would have been very careful with such “sensitive” info for their own good.

    2. A far fetched theory is that she gained that knowledge about Hana etc. from Kaname via Takuma. I know there is no explanation of why Kaname would do such thing. The crazy idea crossed my mind cuz Kaname monitored Hanadagi’s castle prior any action/move take place, except from Takuma’s capture from Sara.

    No, it was not Asato, Asato hid that knowledge all together, even from Takuma…
    But the revelation that kaname is the Kuran ancestor certainly reveals to her that
    1. Her powers are quite short to face him
    And from that point on, I believe that she creates a plan in order to deal with him, as she could easily pick information for the past even from Ouri’s database.

    Apart from that to sum it up it seems that all agree on the following points (correct me if you think eitherwise)....

    Apparently, what we see here is Sara’s plan to deal with an ancestor and we see that in her way she gathers the powers from other ancestors.

    Ouri- gave her the power to break Hanadagi’s castle, so that means that she had intended to also kill Hanadagi way before killing Ouri.

    It was in her initial plan this move to Hanadagi, it's evident...and Kaname knew it that she had been intending to strike there...

    Kaname was monitoring Hanadagi’s castle; the reason could be that he apparently suspected that since now Sara knows from Takuma that he is the ancestor, Hanadagi was a piece that she would try to get on her path for power.


    Here comes important to know Hanadagi's singificance...

    Therefore, when Sara kills Ouri, Kaname knows that the time when Sara will make her entrance to Hanadagi’s castle approaches and he is in alert mode again. Perhaps this a crucial time for him also because he has to prepare Yuuki for leaving her as we saw he tortured himself with contradictions there, contradiction that stem out of the consciousness that sooner or later she would step out at the world on her own> he knows he has to go and fulfill the plan, because the time has approached so there is a battle inside him, he also has to accept the fact that he will have to let her go.

    (Here I go a bit to Kaname, so we can say that after Ouri's murder he actually knows that there is the great potential for Sara to strike Hanadagi- therefore the Artemis, the release of Yuuki and the biting scene that prepared Yuuki for all the knowledge and the power she got from him).

    Back to Sara...

    Sara knows that Hanadagi is a threat to Kaname (perhaps knowing the alliances and enemies of the Kuran family as Sweet pointed out) and she does not hesitate to evade his castle knowing that Kaname will have to deal with Hanadagi first, as kaname considers Hanadagi way too dangerous than Sara.

    _________ I think up to here, that is the most crucial points when Sara's plan and Kaname's plan seem to match. From furher on...
    going on theory mode...

    I assume here that she also knows that Hanadagi's awakening and his murder from kaname opens a front there for Kaname that he has to confront, far more dangerous than the current situation with Sara..

    I also think that Kaname has in someway entrusted Sara's danger to the hunters (who are monitoring her inside of the academy)but her action is not suspended (proof; the tablets at the streets).

    What do you think up to now? does the one plan fall into another or no?






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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by sweetsolace on Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:52 pm

    Right … that’s why I said earlier >>>”So what IF he passed that info to Sara deliberately and then he watched his castle to see if Sara will make any move????”

    since I also think that there is another “master” behind the scene,
    either he collaborates with Sara or not … But anyway it’s far fetched
    idea I know.

    what info? there's no indication he might have passed anything onto her or made contact befoer the party.

    - If Sara works alone and her main plan are the tampered tablets, then
    he is dealing with something bigger and left Sara (as a minor threat) to
    the hunters or to deal with her later …
    i forgot to include something in my last post, it is IF Sara is that "master of children's kidnappings" as well then she certainly is working alone, but this scenario somehow does not fit with me


    I characterized her as a distraction from Hino … like in the 1st arc
    at first projected Shizuka as the main villain since at first seemed
    that she was the root of all the bad things while afterwards proved that
    the real big threat was Rido and the senate …
    Right, this is also another possibility but technically Shizuka did not serve as a distraction in the first arc, she was just the "sub-boss" before the main boss that was Rido, they had no alliance whatsoever. In the same way Shizuka impersonating in Maria's body enabled her to get inside the academy, but just like Sara she did nothing more than to look around and set up a plan to lure Yuki, and Kaname did nothing until Shizuka actually went to kill him, leaving everything to Zero.
    Perhaps the trick now is to hide the main boss while Sara blots out the screen with her antics of a plan, much like how everyone is assuming Kaname is the villain by killing pureblood heads so openly.

    Kaname was monitoring Hanadagi’s castle; the reason could be that
    he apparently suspected that since now Sara knows from Takuma that he is
    the ancestor, Hanadagi was a piece that she would try to get on her
    path for power.
    how Takuma could've known Kaname was the ancestor? confused and if Takuma did tell her somehow nulls the possibility he might be working for Kaname when he helped her, also we know Sara already has her sights on Kaname before in the 1st arc ball, but I think kidnapping takuma to get info on him was for a specific reason and not random target in her ambitions, she said before in chapter 45 before taking takuma that she thought she might have ask Asato to give Takuma to him but it turns out there was no need for that, so there Sara already planned to do something to Kaname


    Perhaps this a crucial time for him also because he
    has to prepare Yuuki for leaving her as we saw he tortured himself with
    contradictions there, contradiction that stem out of the consciousness
    that sooner or later she would step out at the world on her own> he
    knows he has to go and fulfill the plan, because the time has approached
    so there is a battle inside him, he also has to accept the fact that he
    will have to let her go.
    kaname must have been very dramatic there and must feel his importance outweigh his feelings for yuki. I think he had been preparing himself since he knew Sara's plans and had considered the possibility of leaving her for it, the contradictions IMO was the last strand of his hesitations, good that he had thought it through in a realistic manner

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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by nina on Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:01 pm

    sweetsolace wrote:
    Kaname was monitoring Hanadagi’s castle; the reason could be that he apparently suspected that since now Sara knows from Takuma that he is the ancestor, Hanadagi was a piece that she would try to get on her path for power.

    how Takuma could've known Kaname was the ancestor?

    Kaname himself told Takuma and Ichiru that he is the ancestor of the Kurans:
    “I am the Kurans’ ancestor”
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2164-27/vampire-knight/chapter-38.html

    and if Takuma did tell her somehow nulls the possibility he might be working for Kaname when he helped her,

    Takuma gave that info to Sara :
    “He even confessed to you that he was the ancestor” …
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-40425-13/vampire-knight/chapter-56.html

    … and he probably revealed to her, Yuuki’s existence before Kaname introduce her at the ball >>>
    Takuma: “… by once in your life having to withstand waiting ten years OR MORE for what you most want …”
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2177-13/vampire-knight/chapter-49.html

    … he was talking about Yuuki apparently there. So even if he refused at the beginning to give information about Kaname …
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2177-11/vampire-knight/chapter-49.html
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2177-12/vampire-knight/chapter-49.html

    …after Sara abused him and maybe after she made him to drink her blood he gave in …

    also we know Sara already has her sights on Kaname before in the 1st arc ball, but I think kidnapping takuma to get info on him was for a specific reason and not random target in her ambitions, she said before in chapter 45 before taking takuma that she thought she might have ask Asato to give Takuma to him but it turns out there was no need for that, so there Sara already planned to do something to Kaname

    Yes Sara was planning something long before the 2nd arc … But she wanted Takuma cuz of his close relationship with Kaname. She says so >>>
    “Will you kindly tell me absolutely everything you know about Kaname sama?” …
    “You are someone who was even closer to Kaname-sama than the late Ichiou used to be …”
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2177-11/vampire-knight/chapter-49.html
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2177-12/vampire-knight/chapter-49.html

    So the sure thing is that she intended to take Takuma cuz he was the closest person to Kaname in order to learn whatever she could about him … what for; for the reason only speculations we can make.

    Maybe her initial goal was to be queen by marrying Kaname? Haha … But when she learnt about Yuuki’s existence she reviewed her plans (since the position was already taken) and decides to turn against him … to eliminate the Kurans (Yuuki and Kaname) so the throne to be hers …

    Therefore since Kaname knew that Takuma was in the wrong hands maybe he foreseen that eventually Sara would derive the info she wanted hence he monitored Hana’s castle prior Ouri’s murder … As juliet said >>> ”since now Sara knows from Takuma that he is the ancestor, Hanadagi was a piece that she would try to get on her path for power.”







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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by Bloodredhead on Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:13 pm

    sweetsolace wrote:
    Bloodredhead wrote:
    sweetsolace wrote:or white lily?




    my poor zero being accussed of beastiality!!!
    *shields zero*



    oh you forgot one major person in your list girls.
    ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    that boy is soooo mine!!!



    oh but Zero does love White Lily... you're just jealous and green with envy as he has feelings for her and he won't even look at you, a faithful vk follower you poor thing.

    but you can do it!! you will need all the encouragement you can get, you can't lose to a horse!


    haha time to start a new line of business here... now Zero's heart is on sale. his "eligibility" still blazes hot and is up for grabs.

    you can start by having the authority to tell the rabid fangirls to "get in line" wow that line is getting famous out here

    Solace you leave my man alone!!!

    and i most certainly will not lose to a horse!!!

    nina wrote:
    Maybe her initial goal was to be queen by marrying Kaname? Haha … But when she learnt about Yuuki’s existence she reviewed her plans (since the position was already taken) and decides to turn against him … to eliminate the Kurans (Yuuki and Kaname) so the throne to be hers …

    Therefore since Kaname knew that Takuma was in the wrong hands maybe he foreseen that eventually Sara would derive the info she wanted hence he monitored Hana’s castle prior Ouri’s murder … As juliet said >>> ”since now Sara knows from Takuma that he is the ancestor, Hanadagi was a piece that she would try to get on her path for power.”


    Makes alot of sense that sara was planning before and probably first wanting to marry kaname. Explains her preference in the fanbook on guys, also she was at that ball in the first arc prehaps trying to get closer to him.


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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by sweetsolace on Sat Sep 10, 2011 1:29 pm

    nina wrote:
    Kaname himself told Takuma and Ichiru that he is the ancestor of the Kurans:
    “I am the Kurans’ ancestor”
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2164-27/vampire-knight/chapter-38.html

    and if Takuma did tell her somehow nulls the possibility he might be working for Kaname when he helped her,

    Takuma gave that info to Sara :
    “He even confessed to you that he was the ancestor” …
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-40425-13/vampire-knight/chapter-56.html

    … and he probably revealed to her, Yuuki’s existence before Kaname introduce her at the ball >>>
    Takuma: “… by once in your life having to withstand waiting ten years OR MORE for what you most want …”
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2177-13/vampire-knight/chapter-49.html

    … he was talking about Yuuki apparently there. So even if he refused at the beginning to give information about Kaname …
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2177-11/vampire-knight/chapter-49.html
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2177-12/vampire-knight/chapter-49.html

    …after Sara abused him and maybe after she made him to drink her blood he gave in …

    also we know Sara already has her sights on Kaname before in the 1st arc ball, but I think kidnapping takuma to get info on him was for a specific reason and not random target in her ambitions, she said before in chapter 45 before taking takuma that she thought she might have ask Asato to give Takuma to him but it turns out there was no need for that, so there Sara already planned to do something to Kaname

    Yes Sara was planning something long before the 2nd arc … But she wanted Takuma cuz of his close relationship with Kaname. She says so >>>
    “Will you kindly tell me absolutely everything you know about Kaname sama?” …
    “You are someone who was even closer to Kaname-sama than the late Ichiou used to be …”
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2177-11/vampire-knight/chapter-49.html
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2177-12/vampire-knight/chapter-49.html

    So the sure thing is that she intended to take Takuma cuz he was the closest person to Kaname in order to learn whatever she could about him … what for; for the reason only speculations we can make.

    the only sure thing is that Sara kidnapped Takuma to get INFORMATION from Kaname, and she can learn anything that he learned on Kaname, regardless what she did to get it.

    Maybe her initial goal was to be queen by marrying Kaname? Haha … But when she learnt about Yuuki’s existence she reviewed her plans (since the position was already taken) and decides to turn against him … to eliminate the Kurans (Yuuki and Kaname) so the throne to be hers …
    oh sure... the fanbook even says that right. but there's nothing to say she "reviewed" what to do or anything to indicate that, it only showed the moments where she executes her plans.

    Therefore since Kaname knew that Takuma was in the wrong hands maybe he foreseen that eventually Sara would derive the info she wanted hence he monitored Hana’s castle prior Ouri’s murder … As juliet said >>> ”since now Sara knows from Takuma that he is the ancestor, Hanadagi was a piece that she would try to get on her path for power.”
    Sara may or may not have known Kaname's an ancestor, in either case if she does there's little or nothing to suggest how she connected Kaname with Hanadagi or if they are even connected at all. The only sure thing is what you said, there IS something to suggest that Kaname knew Takuma was in the wrong hands AND he did something about it. What Im saying is the two things are not connected.

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    haha. you wished. u cant stop me

    and besides he is not only for your consumption. Razz

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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by juliet on Sat Sep 10, 2011 4:27 pm

    Μ...

    Sara knew that Kaname was the Kuran ancestor, therefore she needs to gather powers and one easy target is Hanadagi.

    It seems to me that Kaname appreciated that move, he was expecting it, therefore the monitoring of the castle.

    Perhaps Sara ignores Hanadagi's importancy in the story that made Kaname to kill him instantly and she only went there to get power, but on the other hand, her action triggered futher reactions> see Kaname.

    So was she about to risk that much and how did she know that Kaname would not kill her or chase her but his attention would fall to Hana? there is a hole plot there, therefore my mind goes that Sara knew very well that apart from getting power, with this action would open a front there, (perhaps initiate a war?) that would make Kaname's attention to focus on other things?

    I feel like moving in circles here but I can't see how else it can make sense, eitherwise it was too risky and dangerous from Sara's part that she could have Hanadagi and Kaname right behind her and with two anscestor after her track, how would she escape?







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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by nina on Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:24 pm

    The quotes are from this thread >>
    http://vampireknight.all-up.com/t429p110-kaname-s-kuran-plan-of-action-is-heading-where#18977

    sweetsolace wrote: why he never had to know the scope? he is the president of the company and Asato is just the founder, the founder has no control over the operations of the tablets, he only supplies financial support and other back ups, thats the purpose of the president, to rule over any decisions made towards the tablets. The company was made to supply blood tablets. but since the question is about the Research, in reality we can only make assumptions as to who ordered it and who started it since really, there is no way for you to tell that founder Asato ordered president to do it, especially when they have different views (Asato is bad, President is good etc) .

    The current president or any president is an employee who has to follow the instructions of his employer aka Asato or the owner of the company. His research was about the venturesomeness of the PBs, among other things. The president didn’t have to know the final use of his research. It was on the stage of researching and not on production/distribution << which could expose the real purpose.

    And here youre saying that Asato and Sara's plans are the same but Asato doesnt want to be a king, he wants purebloods to vanish, while Sara wants to sit on top of the throne..
    the tablets theory was more like she wants to dominate everyone, for everyone to be her puppets, rather than to kill purebloods.

    Asato wanted all the PBs to vanish what for? Apparently for his final dominance. I suppose that he didn’t want co-existence after the elimination of the entire PB’s race. If he had succeeded that then he would be the “king” or the ruler of the vampire world. Also he had plans to exterminate the hunters as well … so eventually to be able to control the humans too, since vampires are superior from the humans. However there existed nobles that where anti-senate and pro coexistence. How would he control them? He had to exterminate them as well OR he could control them through the tablets since these families were mostly the users of the tabs?

    I don’t know but to me Asato’s final goal and Sara’s seems quite similar … the only difference is that the “final boss” would be a different kind.

    And another thing is … even if Sara succeeds and eliminates the Kurans the other PBs why to accept her as a queen? She isn’t the most powerful PB neither an old one. How she can ensure her queenship forever since the “games” for power are identified with their nature? Isn’t now a golden opportunity to get rid of her potential enemies for the throne?

    juliet wrote: And Sara also accidental moves in for the research that suits her plans and can be used to do terrible things? Or discovers it with her visit
    there? No, she knew that the president had a research there, that’s why
    she visits him.

    Yes she knew about the research cuz Takuma says >> “The agenda of our talk is about YOUR REQUEST to supply blood to develop the blood tablets new medicine etc.” So Sara was already informed thus maybe she already had prisoners at her basement as blood suppliers.

    That’s why she wants to control the pharmaceutical company and she also needs Takuma.

    Exactly! This is also confirmed by Yagari >>

    “We’re told that it seems the head of the Ichijou group will change but you mustn’t cut your connections with them no matter what.”
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2179-5/vampire-knight/chapter-51.html

    Most likely the head of the Ichijou would be Takuma and that’s why Sara took him and is very possible that it was Sara who finished Asato in order to open the road for Takuma as the heir.

    And Takuma says that Sara was a person that the president had met in the past. But when in the past?
    Because it seems that after Asato’s death, Takuma has not visited the
    president again.

    The time when Sara met the president in the past is vague. Also the current president is new in his position >>

    Takuma: “It has been a while since I met you in the personnel meeting AFTER my grandfather retired.”

    >> so Takuma met him after Asato died. The weird though is that Takuma says retired and not death … Is it possible that the death of Asato isn’t wide known??

    Takuma: “Have you become familiar with the NEW official position?

    >>apparently he wasn’t president in the past. He might be just the scientist and Takuma made him the president under Sara’s instructions???

    sweetsolace wrote: in chapter 65 the president says when he was in prison:
    "I intend to understand the danger concerning purebloods... But I cant believe I was caught off guard"
    not only does he emphasize the word "I" pertaining himself as the one who operates the research but he also makes it seem like he had make a mistake in exposing that research to Sara. He was "caught off guard" possibly indicates that Sara did something to squeeze the research out from him.

    The wording “off guard” I think is referring on the bite … Despite the fact that the president knew how dangerous a PB could be she caught him off guard, bitten him and now is one of her puppets >>>

    President (chapter 65): “The other people in the prison were ALSO FORCIBLY made to become obedient vampires only for her.”

    Takuma and the president knew that Sara was informed about his research cuz Takuma says it openly >>”The AGENDA of our talk is about YOUR REQUEST to supply blood to develop the blood tablets new medicine etc.”

    Also at president’s office when Takuma said that “a person who had talk with you in the past wants to greet you again…” the president replied >>

    President: “Well then she is the PBs …” (and he seems scared and sweaty)
    Takuma: “Yes she is Shirabuki Sara …” >>





    >> How the president figured out that the visitor was Sara and why he was scared?
    Also Takuma doesn’t want to leave both of them alone for the president’s safety>>
    Takuma: “No I don’t want to leave just the two of you here … It’s not for YOU (Sara) BUT FOR THE PRESIDENT.”

    Her prior visit to him means she has established enough friendship/familiarity to be used as a decoy to get him into her trap... of which he apparently fell for. "he was caught off guard" because he thought Sara was an acquaintance, having known her in the past, he would not suspect she had such intentions.

    From the agony on president’s face it doesn’t seem that they had established a friendship/familiarity.

    I still do not see how a dead man can have involvement into this, if for some reason he had secured Sara to be his successor somewhat shouldn't he have prepared for this by making it more easier for her? Like telling the president in advance to give their research to her so she would not have any difficulty having to control him? she has to act like the president was in actual opposition to her plans, and it doesnt even make sense that he would not know he was working on something evil considering his morals show that he doesnt want chaos.

    The involvement of Asato was that he was the one who raised the pharmaceutical company. How exactly Asato wanted to use this company isn’t clear but I guess wasn’t for peaceful purposes so we can assume that he wanted to explore the powers of the PBs since they were dangerous not only for vampires but for humans as well i.e. their enemy. Also note that Takuma is speaking about the development of blood tablets AND medicine etc … so this is what the president knew.
    Another possibility is that Asato wanted to control the blood tablets since until then the tabs were NC’s product and the NC wasn’t under his control >> the tabs were used from the vampires that were pro-coexistence i.e. anti-senate.
    Anyway the president or the scientists had no reason to know the actual or final USE of their research viz how Asato was planning to use it. Many scientists are working on researches that if fall into wrong hands could be lethal and in the right hands miraculous. It hasn’t to be the research evil but the USE of it is another story … and the use would be decided by the owner of the company thus and the president asks Takuma to stop Sara cuz she’s planning to USE the accumulated research for terrible things. Ergo it’s not the research evil but the USE of it.

    Either way Asato didn’t make it … he died before he succeeds to use this research.

    Sara wasn’t Asato’s successor but Takuma.
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2156-10/vampire-knight/chapter-30.html

    They collaborating on the surface but apparently both of them had their own plans. Asato tried to be pleasant and respectful towards the PBs who collaborated with him but his ultimate goal was to exterminate all of them, including Sara I suppose. He aided Rido supposedly to be the leader of vampires but his final intent was to wipe off Rido as well. Ofc he wouldn’t reveal that to Rido, would he? Apparently not … the same goes for Sara.

    On the other hand Sara was playing the “nice girl” but she had her own agenda … she had her own plans even when Asato was still alive >>

    Takuma: “Is it someone you mentioned before … a PB from the Shirabuki family?”
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2156-11/vampire-knight/chapter-30.html

    >> so Sara had asked already Asato to meet Takuma which mean that she had started her moves while Asato was still alive. Who knows what excuse used Sara to Asato for her will to meet Takuma?! But obviously she wouldn’t reveal the true reason!

    In my opinion their collaboration was up to a point then their “join” would have to break cuz both of them wanted the same thing >> the dominance of the world. One of their common interest probably was the elimination of the Kurans. Until that major obstacle would be out off the picture they had a common enemy thus it was for their best interest to join forces. But when Asato –through Rido- failed then Asato was needless and an obstacle for Sara thus she might be the one who finished Asato in the battle with Takuma and captured Takuma for the continuation of her plans:
    1. To control the pharmaceutical company since Takuma would be the heir as the head of Ichijou family.
    2. To abstract info from him about Kaname.

    In short Asato and Sara may be collaborators up to a point but underneath they’ve played the game of deception.

    I see what you mean and I agree, finally, lol. So again it goes back to the question what does Sara wants most? Its to become queen, not to kill everyone so she will be alone to rule, I believe by her hands and actions she does more things that will make everyone be controlled and hypnotized by her, especially the tablets, her harem, prisoners, etc. The killing part is just one of her plans IMO because I dont see her interested in it.

    If Sara wants to annihilate all the PBs and synchronously be the queen aren’t two goals controversial to each other. On the contrary are combined perfectly.

    She triggers the war between the PBs (thinking that she is using Kaname’s actions for that purpose so the PBs would exterminate one another) and in the same time she’s preparing her own “army” through her tablets. Cuz how she could impose the use of the tabs to PBs, especially to ones who aren’t pro-coexistence and use human’s fresh blood? As it seems for now her plan works in two directions >>
    - The upcoming “war” will exterminate PBs >> she is using Kaname for that.
    - The tabs will help her to control the lower vampire’s … first as her army ready to be sacrificed for her and then to have them under fully control.

    But I think the hunters have also a role to play into her plans … how? One role that I can think of is to use their hands (mostly Zero’s) to kill Kaname. If Kaname fulfil his declaration and wipe off ALL the PBs then she’ll have to kill him in the end. She knows that she can’t do this herself so?

    And something lastly about Sara’s tablets …

    In chapter 72 when Yuuki tried to capture the vampire who made the auction he threw at her a bottle with pills >>
    http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/72/4
    http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/72/5

    Seems like the content of the bottle to be important cuz despite that he was in a hurry to escape he didn’t left behind that bottle! Could be Sara’s tablets? What the purpose of that bottle in the scene??? confused

    This scene was before Yuuki even consume blood tablets and before we see the new oval Sara’s tabs … lol.








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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by nina on Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:47 pm

    The quote is from this thread:
    http://vampireknight.all-up.com/t717p140-sara-s-bloodtablets#25367

    Juliet wrote: Sara reveals her plan to Takuma;
    What I want…is pathetic but excellent servants who cannot escape my clutch even if they fight…lovely little birds who keep singing around me vampires all over the world who serve me, puppets who don’t bore me, and…a convenient weapon that can kill purebloods.

    Also there are some lines during the first arc that could serve as an indication for the second arc as well and they concern the hunters;

    ex-president's words to the hunters;
    “I struggled to have them allow you to go on living …” so apparently the hunter one way or another were are to be exterminated.

    So in Asato's plan there was the idea that hunters should be exterminated (because apparently they could stop his expansion plans) but it seems that they collaborated without knowing (due to the presidents exchange) with the council and they skipped it - but this for me arises the question if that's also intended in Sara's plan here and in what way?

    Right … now is more obvious the similarity between Asato’s plan and Sara’s lol.

    This is my wonder as well … Logically sooner or later the hunters will have to participate more actively rather than sitting back and watching as they did till now.
    So … does Sara want something from the hunters? Do they fit into her plans? Does she want to exterminate them eventually? Cuz since she revealed that her ultimate goal is to kill PBs in order to dominate the whole world I suppose the hunters from a point and onwards will become a hindrance for her. (< the same was planning Asato.)

    How I see Sara’s plan roughly >>
    - Elimination of Kaname < her biggest obstacle > using Zero, plus (?)
    - Killing the PBs using Zero and the rest of the hunters (?)
    - Annihilation of the hunters using maybe the vampires all over the world who will serve her. (???)

    Well apparently her plan isn’t gonna come to fruition but how far she’ll go? What will be Yuuki’s role in all these?

    First of all how Zero will kill Kaname? I have doubts that he can do that, except if Kaname bears a death wish to be killed from Zero’s hands, which I doubt again. Does Sara have something more to achieve that???

    Furthermore … we all assume that apparently Zero didn’t “love” Sara suddenly neither he ceased to hate the PBs. So even if he wants to use Sara, temporarily, to achieve his objectives as to avenge Kaname and then kill her too, is Sara so stupid not to take under account this possibility? I think not cuz she’s well aware of Zero hate … so how she’s planning to ensure that Zero won’t turn against her eventually?

    As she said >> “What I want…is pathetic but excellent servants who cannot escape my clutch even if they fight < this applies on Takuma but she also said that Zero will fall like Takuma as well.
    Ergo the most effective way is to somehow convince Zero to take her blood < this is the only way to chain him. The question is; will Zero fall? Will drink Sara’s blood considering his increased bloodlust that Sara is also aware of?
    Anyway I’m leaving this for now …

    Thus far the hunters thought that Kaname is planning to annihilate all the PBs, a conviction that Kaname himself tried to reinforce deliberately, hence they willingly let him to proceed with his plan. Even in the last chapter we saw Yagari to warn Zero not to stop Kaname lol.

    But what if Kaname doesn’t plan to wipe off all the PBs? If so then the hunters’ objectives, are clashing with Kaname’s.
    In this case is it possible that hunters will seek alliance with Sara who wants to kill the PBs?
    An interesting line is what Zero told to Kaien >>
    Zero: “…I just wish we had more purebloods like this who serve our interest.”

    A line that shocked Kaien.

    Could be that this line is referred to Sara? Is Sara the PB who can serve their interests == the annihilation of all the PBs and Kaname’s of course?
    And we saw that the hunters –through Yagari’s words – do not care about what happened with the tabs of darkness, except Kaien. Neither they cared about Kaname’s statement that he was the one who killed Ouri > a murder, I remind, that involved also the murder of a hunter! All of these are showing –to me at least- that the hunters are willing to overlook/cooperate even with the devil=Sara if that serves their ultimate interest > the extermination of the PBs’ race.

    So will Sara make a use of this hunters’ objective as she seems that used Zero’s personal vendetta with Kaname; and how? If Sara convince them that Kaname’s intention isn’t actually to kill all the PBs but he aims in something else; what the hunters will do then?

    Another question is Yuuki in Sara’s plan … even in the scenario that Kaname won’t defend himself and she’ll believe in whatever Zero told her I cannot see her in Sara’s side. If not for anything else but for what she has done to the NC … as Juliet pointed out to me, she cannot betray her NC, she is responsible for them and for the DC as well. Thus we saw that Yuuki didn’t take lightly Sara’s tabs, unlike with the hunters, and she even wants to snatch Takuma from Sara’s web.
    Additionally, after Hanadagi’s guard testimony she knows that Sara is involved into another case of a PB’s death … something that reinforces her mistrust on Sara’s sayings. So I think it is impossible for Yuuki to side with Sara. In the best case she’ll let her be for the time being.
    Therefore, how Sara is planning to neutralize Yuuki? What is her plan for her?
    How Kaname can protect Yuuki from Sara now?
    (If I was in Kaname’s shoes and if I could protect Yuuki and control the consequences of Sara’s doings … I would leave her to proceed further with her plan … cuz many would be exposed! Twisted Evil Razz)





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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by juliet on Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:24 pm

    This is my wonder as well … Logically sooner or later the hunters will have to participate more actively rather than sitting back and watching as they did till now.

    Yes, especially if the vampires in town start presenting similar symptoms as the NC> what I understand is that hunters avoid trouble where they can according to Yagari’s statements they underestimate the tablets> perhaps they do not foresee the development with the town, but once humans lives get threaten by that, apparently they will have no choice but to jump into the game and sum up their responsibilities right from where they left them.

    This if happens (that logically it should happen) is a scissor for Zero; and that brings me here….

    Do they fit into her plans? Does she want to exterminate them eventually? Cuz since she revealed that her ultimate goal is to kill PBs in order to dominate the whole world I suppose the hunters from a point and onwards will become a hindrance for her. (< the same was planning Asato.)

    Yes they shall become an obstacle to her plans; Sara reminds me the Ceasar’s quote; “divide and conquer”.

    I think that she aims at creating opposite fronts that will try to eliminate one another;


    One example is with Yuuki and Zero where she is very interested in seeing which side they will take, even though this is not really a matter at all…Why?

    Because regardless Kaname, as you also stated, Yuuki is responsible for the creation of the NC, the safety of the students and the tasks that she has undertaken by accepting to handle the peace agreement on behalf of her brother...so apparently no matter what the secret is, that can turn Yuuki let’s say against Kaname, that secret is not adequate enough to make Yuuki an ally to Sara’s movements> so in the best case scenario for Sara there will be three fronts there (Kaname, Yuuki and Zero) that will stand independently and while Zero is her weapon to exterminate Kaname and Kaname can not allow Zero to act as Sara’s shield and blow everything at the air, Yuuki shall stand in the middle of the chaos unable to react sufficiently under the circumstances.

    Another front is Zero vs the hunters…why? Because from the moment that the hunters shall stand on the side of the humans they will seek the person responsible for all this chaos, we know this is Sara but her shield (zero) apparently for one has already lied to Caien that he does not know the person responsible and has already declared to Yuuki that he shall not let anyone to touch Sara.

    What I want…is pathetic but excellent servants who cannot escape my clutch even if they fight” < this applies on Takuma but she also said that Zero will fall like Takuma as well.
    Ergo the most effective way is to somehow convince Zero to take her blood < this is the only way to chain him. The question is; will Zero fall? Will drink Sara’s blood considering his increased bloodlust that Sara is also aware of?

    If he takes Sara’s blood and if he falls like Takuma, then Zero will be the one with the role to exterminate the purebloods but also (perhaps) the hunters….

    Of course all the above is a kind of possible scenario if Sara’s plans meets fruition, as I believe that she hopes for…

    What will be Yuuki’s role in all these?

    I think that Sara’s best chance is to rule Yuuki out of the game at least at the present time, let’s say giver something minor to distract her and keep her bond and chained to something as for example a chaotic condition, at least this is what I understand from what she says to Takuma;
    Everything is happening just as planned…Although my servants in the night class are restored by Yuuki, she has to deal with a lot of mess because of this…


    I think that her primary target is not Yuuki but kaname, if Kaname gets out of the way, Yuuki has small chances of standing as Queen. Apparently if Sara messes up with Yuuki now she knows that she shall step to Kaname’s weak point and shall not be forgiven.

    Sara to Takuma:
    There will be no forgiveness, he’ ll take my life the moment that I anger him

    Futhermore through Yuuki she can manipulate Kaname and she knows it, so until the end Yuuki is a priceless pawn that Sara can not afford to lose, the tablets and the conditions that were created in the NC is a way also to control Yuuki. Perhaps this is why Sara says that everything goes according to plan as long as it concerns Yuuki, because even though Sara is taking a great risk, at least she can control Yuuki until the point that she has fully command of the total conditions and she no longer needs her to manipulate Kaname (at least this is what I am thinking).

    But what if Kaname doesn’t plan to wipe off all the PBs? If so then the hunters’ objectives, are clashing with Kaname’s.
    In this case is it possible that hunters will seek alliance with Sara who wants to kill the PBs?
    An interesting line is what Zero told to Kaien >>
    Zero: “…I just wish we had more purebloods like this who serve our interest.”

    I think not (or want to think not) because if the problem reaches the humans (imagine the great revelation that not only vampires exists but they are chasing us!!) hunters will have no choice but to hunt down Sara > emergency calls so…

    So will Sara make a use of this hunters’ objective as she seems that used Zero’s personal vendetta with Kaname; and how? If Sara convince them that Kaname’s intention isn’t actually to kill all the PBs but he aims in something else; what the hunters will do then?

    There is also Kaien here and we know that he shall not allow to the hunters (at least as long as he is the hunter association president) to take an open stand and support Sara…
    Apparently Sara’s plan has started to show bit by bit…what we miss in order to see the clear picture is Kaname’s plan..

    [quote]If I was in Kaname’s shoes and if I could protect Yuuki and control the consequences of Sara’s doings … I would leave her to proceed further with her plan … cuz many would be exposed! [quote]

    Certainly, the fact is that we were saying that Kaname acts as a hunter’s hand for Sara and intends to kill all purebloods and we thought that this was Kaname’s plan> the revelation now is that this was Sara’s plan which kaname followed…that was the magic trick here that Hino used to get us confused here and she managed it well (not that we believed her but chaos was created).

    Watch another point> Kaname wants to protect Yuuki, yet he has no problem leaving her up to now with Sara who until now is our supreme villain and the main question that we had in the past and up to the present was why?

    If we judge from his message to Yuuki through Kaien and also the way that Yuuki sees through the message, then he is supplying her with an extra occupation>

    Yuuki to Zero: Then, from this day forward, a chess piece will act like a chess piece would... do what it was intended to do in the position it was placed in...

    So my guess is the same as above that he wants Yuuki to follow with him Sara’s plan up to this point and do nothing more about it, because as Sara is using her chaotic tablets to control Yuuki’s moves, in the same sense Kaname does the same by letting Yuuki occupied in the academy with Sara’s tricks (otherwise Yuuki would be at his trails).

    He must also know of course that Sara has no real intention at the current point to hurt Yuuki, therefore he is playing along (at least up to now).

    And since he knows that Sara knows that he is the ancestor and there this great sin of the past, which does not make him happy, Kaname must have been prepared for this “secret” to be released from Sara’s side.

    So the fact is that despite everything (and no matter how he loves Yuuki) Kaname’s plan included the breaking of his image, he knew that this was in the package and now the great question is if his plan still involves Zero, because this can make a tremendous difference; if Kaname needs Zero then his intention shall be to rescue him, if not and Kaname has finished with Zero, then Zero is in great danger if he stands opposite to Kaname, (and only Yuuki here can really stand against Kaname, even though here I also have doubts).

    But Kaname is up to something and my guess is that he is buying time by securing Yuuki, keep her occupied and at the same time controlling Sara’s moves inside the circles of the academy where he knows her next move shall be to approach Zero

    Also, there is the volcano scene that is left unexplained and also the attack with Touma (where I think that Kaname had all the means to execute Touma but he did not wished so, and neither did he wished to do that for Isaya who was starring from the window). And perhaps he does not have that much time left, because as we see certain elements are starting to come to the surface; Touma is captured if he knows anything he shall speak, Hanadagi’s servant has escaped and is now in Yuuki’s hands, Shiki is approaching Takuma and soon all Sara’s plan shall come to the surface and he shall no have this coverage about what he is planning to do.

    For now I think that his visit in the academy has to do with Zero. As he so it seems that Sara is preparing a game outside of the academy, her main plan here was to take Zero and this plan has not concluded yet but she achieved to shake Zero well and make him acting as her shield (even temporarily), Kaname can not allow Zero to fall at Sara's hands (where her game at the academy ends, the action is transferred else where and Yuuki is free from responsibilities and can try to stop him (logically he will try with all cost to postpone this) as he may not be ready yet for this.

    But it might be interesting to see it, if the action is transferred elsewhere in the real world that shall be interesting because finally we shall see more of Kaname's plans and also the greater plan that Sara has planned out (with or without help).

    So what I am keeping for now from her plans is that Sara is ready to set out for the greater events with Zero as her shield and the her main enemies Kaname-Yuuki-hunters divided.

    But I want to be optimistic, what was Kaname preparing all of these time? Razz I want to see his surprises.

    That was long, out but I gathered some ideas a lot time now and wanted to share them.









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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by nina on Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:53 pm

    Juliet wrote: Yes, especially if the vampires in town start presenting similar symptoms as the NC> what I understand is that hunters avoid trouble where they can according to Yagari’s statements they underestimate the tablets> perhaps they do not foresee the development with the town, but once humans lives get threaten by that, apparently they will have no choice but to jump into the game and sum up their responsibilities right from where they left them.

    Will they have no other choice? Don’t know … maybe I’m too negative with the hunters but till now they are a big disappointment for me. Except that I find huge inconsistencies on how they see or deal things (as for example the fuss they made about the hunter’s murder at the ball or about Sara’s harem and then puff nothing) we expected many times to react in several irritants but again no! So now I have reservations for their role. Are all these “flips” an inconsistency of the script OR the author deliberately doing that for a reason … as for example to highlight the flexibility on their “morality” hence to make them a part of the problem? Cuz it is apparent that certain rationales must be change.

    Anyway … you are right though. If the tablets start to affect the human population I guess that they won’t have other choice. However what I’ve been thinking is that Yuuki may save their b@tts again. I mean if Yuuki’s plan to substitute Sara’s tabs with hers, progresses, then the hunters again may not be forced to interfere. On the other hand for Yuuki to achieve that she needs Takuma’s cooperation hence there is another point to clash with Sara.

    So the question is; will Yuuki succeed or the chaos will spread in the town?
    And I wonder … if the battle becomes open wide, do the hunters have the personnel to control the situation; cuz we know that they haven’t? And even if they have it, how they’ll gonna stop a town filled with “berserk” vampires for human blood; wouldn’t they be bound to kill them? In this case wouldn’t be sacrificed so many innocents lives?
    We saw how the users turned to be when Yuuki confiscated the tabs … so they’ll need immediately the substitutes. Except if the vampires in the town continues to use Sara’s tabs … but then again there is no guarantee that the attacks on humans would be prevented as it’s hinted from the incident with Yori at the academy.
    Thus I’m thinking that Yuuki’s tabs must replace Sara’s rapidly or else the cost will be huge.

    Yes they shall become an obstacle to her plans; Sara reminds me the Ceasar’s quote; “divide and conquer”.

    I think that she aims at creating opposite fronts that will try to eliminate one another;

    I agree completely. And they are kinda divided …
    - The hunters are against Kaien … and perhaps with Zero too in the future? As the things are left in the last chapter the hunters serving 3 scopes.
    - The NC as well >> Takuma and Shiki seems to be on her side (even if that is for appearances but Takuma’s case is more complex.)
    - Yuuki and Zero … regardless the “secret” Yuuki can’t side with Sara, so what will happen if Yuuki insists at least to take Takuma?
    - Yuuki and Kaname > ?
    So there are already enough rough points in-between the “other side” which have the potential to become conflicts.

    Another front is Zero vs the hunters…why? Because from the moment that the hunters shall stand on the side of the humans they will seek the person responsible for all this chaos, we know this is Sara but her shield (zero) apparently for one has already lied to Caien that he does not know the person responsible and has already declared to Yuuki that he shall not let anyone to touch Sara.

    And this is one reason for my reservations about the hunters … Didn’t they followed Sara at the pharmaceutical company? What was the purpose of that scene?
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-57815-10/vampire-knight/chapter-65.html

    What they did with that intel? Apparently nothing thus far. But now they have the “object of the crime” in front of their eyes. How difficult is to link Sara with these tabs and her visit at the pharmaceutical company?
    Anyway maybe now they learnt how much does 1+1 Razz and figure out that Sara is behind.

    I think not (or want to think not) because if the problem reaches the humans (imagine the great revelation that not only vampires exists but they are chasing us!!) hunters will have no choice but to hunt down Sara > emergency calls so…

    If that happens my estimation is that the cause of co-existence will take a huge blow there. I remember Kaien’s words that he wanted to show to the “government” through the NC and their well behavior that vampires and humans can co-exist in order to convince them that the vampires should have a position in the world openly. So I’m thinking if the shocking revelation of vampires’ existence happens under these chaotic circumstances, where berserk vampires will chase humans massively, this cause wouldn’t be damaged for good or wouldn’t be a huge step backwards? Maybe a “shocking therapy” would be more resultful … don’t know, I’m thinking out loud here lol.
    Also, there is the volcano scene that is left unexplained and also the attack with Touma (where I think that Kaname had all the means to execute Touma but he did not wished so, and neither did he wished to do that for Isaya who was starring from the window).

    Yup yup, I agree. Touma’s case shows that if Kaname wanted to kill him he would have done it. And his “farce” in front of Kaien didn’t convince neither him completely about Kaname’s intentions to kill all the PBs. Kaien continues to wonder about Kaname’s scopes as we saw in the last chapter once again.

    So I’m thinking that now that Sara’s plan comes to light maybe Kaname’s farce about the PBs will collapse. Cuz if Kaname wants to annihilate all the PBs, Sara and the hunters too, who’s gonna stop them? Kaien and Yuuki alone? Haha … somehow doesn’t sound convincing lol.

    Anyway … except from the purpose of the volcano that is still unknown, there is also Kaname’s words to Ruka to secure that humans wouldn’t approach the area around Isaya’s place which was also the area where Sara’s tabs where distributed in the black market.
    So since nothing huge happened at Isaya’s house and as it showed never intended to happen, which was the purpose of Kaname’s words?

    Could it be to prevent attacks to humans from the users of Sara’s tabs? If so then maybe the battle won’t be so huge at the streets.
    Thus I’m thinking that the part of Sara’s plan about the tabs can’t go much further. As you also pointed out the circle around Sara seems to getting tighter and tighter … Yuuki was determined to snatch Takuma aiming to tabs and now there is also Shiki’s interference that I think is aiming the same thing > Takuma.

    Anyway … I think the direction of the further development it depends from:
    1. How long Sara’s plan will go on, or her time it’s reaching the finish line?
    2. If Hino wants to turn the “battle” into open wide. Thus far the action was limited in a certain close circle though, and the re-opening of the NC could be a hint that she won’t expand the plot too much further than the academy’s borders.

    And something lastly … why Sara wants back Hanadagi’s guard? She already accomplished to deliver the news to Yuuki. So why Sara needs her? Could it be that she knows more that Sara doesn’t want to be revealed? Or is just a whim? scratch






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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by juliet on Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:44 pm

    Will they have no other choice? Don’t know … maybe I’m too negative with the hunters but till now they are a big disappointment for me. Except that I find huge inconsistencies on how they see or deal things (as for example the fuss they made about the hunter’s murder at the ball or about Sara’s harem and then puff nothing) we expected many times to react in several irritants but again no! So now I have reservations for their role. Are all these “flips” an inconsistency of the script OR the author deliberately doing that for a reason … as for example to highlight the flexibility on their “morality” hence to make them a part of the problem? Cuz it is apparent that certain rationales must be change.

    They are problematic for sure and perhaps a problem themselves but if it gets down to sides (and with Sara’s plans revealed) they can not support her because her intention to kill all purebloods is a package with along with human domination> thus the choice to stand against her and whoever supports her, I think its more likely. And in a way they already wanted her dead (lol)…

    if the battle becomes open wide, do the hunters have the personnel to control the situation; cuz we know that they haven’t?

    I have no idea about the personnel but they have Kaien and the NC (that Yuuki managed to restore) and Yuuki to control the ones that shall lose their temper at least for as long as it is needed in order for Shiki to get Takuma back and Yuuki to release the antidote through the pharmaceutical company.

    And this is one reason for my reservations about the hunters … Didn’t they followed Sara at the pharmaceutical company? What was the purpose of that scene?
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-57815-10/vampire-knight/chapter-65.html

    What they did with that intel? Apparently nothing thus far. But now they have the “object of the crime” in front of their eyes.

    ……..

    Except that I find huge inconsistencies on how they see or deal things (as for example the fuss they made about the hunter’s murder at the ball or about Sara’s harem and then puff nothing) we expected many times to react in several irritants but again no!

    Yes and furthermore there is Takuma’s revelation that can come to light, Hanadagi’s servant that convicts Sara for initiating a conflict at Hanadagi, and of course Yuuki who knows the responsible for the tablets..

    Let’s just say that Sara has ditched her grave, she knows it and she is content. So what is there that are we missing?

    The number of the supporters that she has created? The alliances that she has made and we do not know?

    What I want to say is that we’ve seen at the last chapter that Sara has come to get Zero from the academy (so that was one step of her way...the continuation is elsewhere), most probably she is going to leave once she accomplishes it and the truth is that the rope does not hold her any longer there; Yuuki shall try to restrain and since Zero is only a part of her plan, how is she going to execute the rest of her plan from the academy's inside or if hunters capture her after Yuuki's interference?

    …Kaname and the volcano or the evacuating scene that we saw at the city, as you see, also suggest that the action shall be transferred.

    So I think judging from the above that Sara no longer plans to hide her plans and to pretend the “good” girl…she cant, she is doomed. Now how is she going to manage it? Because she seems certain that she will make it.

    There has to be something else that she is planning or has prepared and that something must be outside…an open war maybe? She sounds like she is preparing the fronts so that all oppositions know where they stand. And as far as it concerns Kaname perhaps she is betting on Zero to stand as her shield while she dominates other things..I am thinking loud too but her certainty and this air of the winner, I do not understand it unless she has a very good backup and she knows that this is her time to go.

    So I’m thinking if the shocking revelation of vampires’ existence happens under these chaotic circumstances, where berserk vampires will chase humans massively, this cause wouldn’t be damaged for good or wouldn’t be a huge step backwards?

    I do not know if this part can be avoided (humans knowing about vampires) because Sara’s plan one way or another involves the domination of others and humans are not likely to escape…

    Already we know from the fanbook that the families co-siding with Asato’s council were perceiving humans as food…I do not think that Sara views humans any better, so perhaps an outcome where the human population learns the truth about vampires through a battle for their rescue to be better (humans lives may not die here as vanpires can only drink their blood and not kill them) and to open the way for the truth.

    -compare this with the Day Class at the first arc, this time perhaps Hino takes it in a greater scale and thus finally co-existence starts becoming a reality.






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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by nina on Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:08 pm

    Juliet wrote: They are problematic for sure and perhaps a problem themselves but if it gets down to sides (and with Sara’s plans revealed) they can not support her because her intention to kill all purebloods is a package with along with human domination> thus the choice to stand against her and whoever supports her, I think its more likely. And in a way they already wanted her dead (lol)…

    (I’ll do the devil’s lawyer Twisted Evil here not that I disagree with you completely lol! )

    Why the hunters could side with Sara?: If they think that Kaname fooled them and he has no intention to kill all the PBs –which is their prime priority as it seems – then Sara serves them better. Either way eventually their goal is to annihilate all the PBs including Kaname of course if not and Yuuki. So if Sara or her plan can help them to exterminate PBs and mostly Kaname, why not do not side with her temporarily, until their goals coincide and then kill Sara … I suppose Sara is an easier target than Kaname no?
    Of course all of that up to a point and for serving the climax cuz eventually Sara can’t win.

    I have no idea about the personnel but they have Kaien and the NC (that Yuuki managed to restore) and Yuuki to control the ones that shall lose their temper at least for as long as it is needed in order for Shiki to get Takuma back and Yuuki to release the antidote through the pharmaceutical company.

    Hm … the hunters can’t do nothing else than kill the aggressive vampires if they catch them attacking on humans. On the other hand Yuuki can’t go on streets sharing her blood here and there as she did with the NC cuz as Hanabusa pointed out the scale is bigger and Yuuki will be drained. Imagine a mad bloodlusted crowd attacking on Yuuki! Doesn’t this sound like Rido’s portrayal squeezing Yuuki in Kaname’s nightmare? (In this case I imagine Kaname to chain her not from the neck as Hanadagi’s servant but from the nose hahaha Razz, can you blame him? rofl )

    So as I see the situation in order to be dealt the issue in the town the only way is the tabs, which goes through Takuma. Therefore how the clash with Sara and her allies can be avoided and for how long? Except if Sara won’t react strongly in keeping Takuma for which I have doubts.

    Let’s just say that Sara has ditched her grave, she knows it and she is content. So what is there that are we missing?

    The number of the supporters that she has created? The alliances that she has made and we do not know?


    You are right … Sara is very confident that the situation progressing according to her plan, so it is to wonder from where it stems this certainty since as you said many of her doings are coming into light. Could be only from Zero? Somehow it doesn’t convince me.
    Note though that Sara when she described her plan had no word for the hunters. Isn’t this weird? Doesn’t she afraid their reaction when they’ll find out about the tabs and her involvement with Hanadagi? Additionally Zero sent the guard into Kaito’s “care” without thinking hard for her statement.
    Also we saw Yagari to mention repeatedly that he wants to restrain or “chain” Yuuki on their side if it’s needed using her bond with Zero. Could be this a foreshadowing for the upcoming development?
    And something lastly … could be another factor of Sara’s confidence to be Kaname? Thinking his nightmare which pinpointed in a dead end for him, regarding Yuuki, could be that Sara knows that his hands are tied exposing this “sin”?

    Under that light … is there any place safer for Sara than the academy? All her pawns –as she described them long before- are there and even if she could take Zero with her elsewhere, which seems to me difficult, she would take Yuuki as well? Or in any case the academy with the DC nearby –remember Yori’s father warning- isn’t another shield or possible tool for her?

    Don’t know … certainly if the stage would transfer into a larger scale such as the town would be more interesting but somehow I doubt it.





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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by juliet on Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:00 pm

    (I’ll do the devil’s lawyer here not that I disagree with you completely

    You are welcome, there is nothing really to disagree seriously anyway here since Sara’s plan is weird altogether but let’s make an effort to guess her evil plans, LOL.

    Okay for the hunters…

    (Either way eventually their goal is to annihilate all the PBs including Kaname of course if not and Yuuki. So if Sara or her plan can help them to exterminate PBs and mostly Kaname, why not do not side with her temporarily, until their goals coincide and then kill Sara … I suppose Sara is an easier target than Kaname no?

    It’s a matter of priorities I guess…will they prefer to annihilate all the PBs and take Sara’s side in the cost of the rest vampires (and potentially human victims) or would they prefer to co-side with their president and become a shield for all? Vampires and humans?

    There is a great distinction though between Sara and Kaname; in Kaname’s case they do not become in a way associates in crime because they just have to close their eyes and pretend they do not know. In Sara’s case their responsibility for whatever happens at humans or vampires shall fall to their heads also. So even if they co-side with Sara at least at the first stages, I doubt that they can follow her all of her plan.

    Futhermore as I see Sara’s plan is ready to be revealed here anytime soon through Yuuki, Zero may protect her but what about Yuuki? Can the hunters be that blind and deaf to all pleads and dangers that concern the NC but also the Day Class?and here I shall use your own argument;

    Or in any case the academy with the DC nearby –remember Yori’s father warning- isn’t another shield or possible tool for her?

    So their responsibility grows bigger every step of their way, if the side with Sara just to kill all purebloods in the cost of other lives (taking into account that they know what she did with the tabs), they shall not be different than her, so I am having hopes that they shall co-side with Kaname (hopefully). Its not just a matter of preference for them but also a matter of trust, even the side with Sara they will break their bonds with humans and vampires forever.

    On the other hand Yuuki can’t go on streets sharing her blood here and there as she did with the NC cuz as Hanabusa pointed out the scale is bigger and Yuuki will be drained. Imagine a mad blood lusted crowd attacking on Yuuki! Doesn’t this sound like Rido’s portrayal squeezing Yuuki in Kaname’s nightmare? (In this case I imagine Kaname to chain her not from the neck as Hanadagi’s servant but from the nose hahaha , can you blame him?

    I can’t blame Kaname at all…he is pressured from all sides and really it’s a pity that Hino give us Kaname with the eyedropper tool.

    He is hooked with the idea that Yuuki shall sacrifice herself on the way there and he has stated. What I would like to know though is if this is his idea (due to fear of losing her) or if a sacrifice is demanded on the way (and he knows it). Anyway….

    Yes Takuma is the key here that shall lead not only to the replacement of the subs but also to the total revelation of Sara> another reason perhaps here that it might be beneficial for Sara to leave academy the moment that she secures her weapon.

    But to return to the point above, yes hunters and Yuuki (NC and Cross) to repress a crisis at the city if it occurs and hold the vampires, I am not suggesting that Yuuki should proceed giving her blood, and even that happens we already know who shall replace her in that> here I expect Kaname to get into action also. I can hardly believe that humans shall be threatened, Yuuki will be in danger and he shall refrain from the party or that he has not prepared his cards for this game?> no way Hose! LOL

    Back to Sara now dear advocate of the devil…

    Sara is very confident that the situation progressing according to her plan, so it is to wonder from where it stems this certainty since as you said many of her doings are coming into light. Could be only from Zero? Somehow it doesn’t convince me.

    Somehow it does not convince me also, that’s the problem that I spot there and can’t figure out. Until now it does not make sense unless she is not interested to remain in the academy and there are other interests elsewhere that she shall use.

    Also what makes me believe that she will leave the academy ground’s is her statement here where she says that there are still things to do in this academy> we know that she means Zero. She is not there yet, but doesn’t that mean that once she fully posses him she shall leave?

    http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/73/32


    Doesn’t she afraid their reaction when they’ll find out about the tabs and her involvement with Hanadagi? Additionally Zero sent the guard into Kaito’s “care” without thinking hard for her statement.
    Also we saw Yagari to mention repeatedly that he wants to restrain or “chain” Yuuki on their side if it’s needed using her bond with Zero. Could be this a foreshadowing for the upcoming development?

    Another point here that makes me to believe that she shall leave the boat. If her plan is revealed through Yuuki, then how time does she have until the hunters ground her or searches are made? After all the panic that she has created risking also the Day Class security and safety, as you also highlighted, how can she remain?

    She may have more aces up her sleeve? Because until now it does not make so much sense.

    As for Yuuki she can be used here a pole for Zero, because Yuuki is restrained to guard the NC and their interests, there is no way that she can leave it at rest after what Sara did and after hearing the statements from Hanadagi’s murder, and also her effort to get Takuma can twist her against Sara. Now Zero standing between Sara and Yuuki who shall he chooses? That’s also interesting to see.


    could be another factor of Sara’s confidence to be Kaname? Thinking his nightmare which pinpointed in a dead end for him, regarding Yuuki, could be that Sara knows that his hands are tied exposing this “sin”?

    Could be, even though Kaname (as his despair can tell us and the his knowledge that Sara holds Takuma) knows that this moment shall arrive, so logically despite Yuuki’s reaction there, he has predicted that part (and eventually he will pull it through no matter what). But you are right that perhaps Sara bets on the “despair” that the revelation of that sin may cause him; perhaps she is even hoping that one way or another Kaname will be eliminated on his own device at the end > not sure about the latest, but there must be another piece her to justify her confidence besides Zero who is her last safety net and her way to control and the rest purebloods.


    Under that light … is there any place safer for Sara than the academy? All her pawns –as she described them long before- are there and even if she could take Zero with her elsewhere, which seems to me difficult, she would take Yuuki as well?

    If all that she has done come to light due to Yuuki, I think that even the Kuran mansion is a safer place than the academy…LOL…let me see that.

    I do not think that she wants to take anyone with her (besides harem and Takuma), she probably wants her dog there unleashed. If she can turn him into a puppet and that seems to be her target, then she does not need to be with him in order for him to execute her orders.

    As for Yuuki I do not think that Sara shall need her any longer, Sara tried to achieve the control of the NC and earn more supporters that would leave Yuuki weak and alone. Her dominance now failed, how is she going to justify that? Dunno!






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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by caela on Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:49 am

    juliet wrote:
    (I’ll do the devil’s lawyer here not that I disagree with you completely

    You are welcome, there is nothing really to disagree seriously anyway here since Sara’s plan is weird altogether but let’s make an effort to guess her evil plans, LOL.

    Okay for the hunters…

    (Either way eventually their goal is to annihilate all the PBs including Kaname of course if not and Yuuki. So if Sara or her plan can help them to exterminate PBs and mostly Kaname, why not do not side with her temporarily, until their goals coincide and then kill Sara … I suppose Sara is an easier target than Kaname no?

    It’s a matter of priorities I guess…will they prefer to annihilate all the PBs and take Sara’s side in the cost of the rest vampires (and potentially human victims) or would they prefer to co-side with their president and become a shield for all? Vampires and humans?

    There is a great distinction though between Sara and Kaname; in Kaname’s case they do not become in a way associates in crime because they just have to close their eyes and pretend they do not know. In Sara’s case their responsibility for whatever happens at humans or vampires shall fall to their heads also. So even if they co-side with Sara at least at the first stages, I doubt that they can follow her all of her plan.

    Futhermore as I see Sara’s plan is ready to be revealed here anytime soon through Yuuki, Zero may protect her but what about Yuuki? Can the hunters be that blind and deaf to all pleads and dangers that concern the NC but also the Day Class?and here I shall use your own argument;

    Or in any case the academy with the DC nearby –remember Yori’s father warning- isn’t another shield or possible tool for her?

    So their responsibility grows bigger every step of their way, if the side with Sara just to kill all purebloods in the cost of other lives (taking into account that they know what she did with the tabs), they shall not be different than her, so I am having hopes that they shall co-side with Kaname (hopefully). Its not just a matter of preference for them but also a matter of trust, even the side with Sara they will break their bonds with humans and vampires forever.

    On the other hand Yuuki can’t go on streets sharing her blood here and there as she did with the NC cuz as Hanabusa pointed out the scale is bigger and Yuuki will be drained. Imagine a mad blood lusted crowd attacking on Yuuki! Doesn’t this sound like Rido’s portrayal squeezing Yuuki in Kaname’s nightmare? (In this case I imagine Kaname to chain her not from the neck as Hanadagi’s servant but from the nose hahaha , can you blame him?

    I can’t blame Kaname at all…he is pressured from all sides and really it’s a pity that Hino give us Kaname with the eyedropper tool.

    He is hooked with the idea that Yuuki shall sacrifice herself on the way there and he has stated. What I would like to know though is if this is his idea (due to fear of losing her) or if a sacrifice is demanded on the way (and he knows it). Anyway….

    Yes Takuma is the key here that shall lead not only to the replacement of the subs but also to the total revelation of Sara> another reason perhaps here that it might be beneficial for Sara to leave academy the moment that she secures her weapon.

    But to return to the point above, yes hunters and Yuuki (NC and Cross) to repress a crisis at the city if it occurs and hold the vampires, I am not suggesting that Yuuki should proceed giving her blood, and even that happens we already know who shall replace her in that> here I expect Kaname to get into action also. I can hardly believe that humans shall be threatened, Yuuki will be in danger and he shall refrain from the party or that he has not prepared his cards for this game?> no way Hose! LOL

    Back to Sara now dear advocate of the devil…

    Sara is very confident that the situation progressing according to her plan, so it is to wonder from where it stems this certainty since as you said many of her doings are coming into light. Could be only from Zero? Somehow it doesn’t convince me.

    Somehow it does not convince me also, that’s the problem that I spot there and can’t figure out. Until now it does not make sense unless she is not interested to remain in the academy and there are other interests elsewhere that she shall use.

    Also what makes me believe that she will leave the academy ground’s is her statement here where she says that there are still things to do in this academy> we know that she means Zero. She is not there yet, but doesn’t that mean that once she fully posses him she shall leave?

    http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/73/32


    Doesn’t she afraid their reaction when they’ll find out about the tabs and her involvement with Hanadagi? Additionally Zero sent the guard into Kaito’s “care” without thinking hard for her statement.
    Also we saw Yagari to mention repeatedly that he wants to restrain or “chain” Yuuki on their side if it’s needed using her bond with Zero. Could be this a foreshadowing for the upcoming development?

    Another point here that makes me to believe that she shall leave the boat. If her plan is revealed through Yuuki, then how time does she have until the hunters ground her or searches are made? After all the panic that she has created risking also the Day Class security and safety, as you also highlighted, how can she remain?

    She may have more aces up her sleeve? Because until now it does not make so much sense.

    As for Yuuki she can be used here a pole for Zero, because Yuuki is restrained to guard the NC and their interests, there is no way that she can leave it at rest after what Sara did and after hearing the statements from Hanadagi’s murder, and also her effort to get Takuma can twist her against Sara. Now Zero standing between Sara and Yuuki who shall he chooses? That’s also interesting to see.


    could be another factor of Sara’s confidence to be Kaname? Thinking his nightmare which pinpointed in a dead end for him, regarding Yuuki, could be that Sara knows that his hands are tied exposing this “sin”?

    Could be, even though Kaname (as his despair can tell us and the his knowledge that Sara holds Takuma) knows that this moment shall arrive, so logically despite Yuuki’s reaction there, he has predicted that part (and eventually he will pull it through no matter what). But you are right that perhaps Sara bets on the “despair” that the revelation of that sin may cause him; perhaps she is even hoping that one way or another Kaname will be eliminated on his own device at the end > not sure about the latest, but there must be another piece her to justify her confidence besides Zero who is her last safety net and her way to control and the rest purebloods.


    Under that light … is there any place safer for Sara than the academy? All her pawns –as she described them long before- are there and even if she could take Zero with her elsewhere, which seems to me difficult, she would take Yuuki as well?

    If all that she has done come to light due to Yuuki, I think that even the Kuran mansion is a safer place than the academy…LOL…let me see that.

    I do not think that she wants to take anyone with her (besides harem and Takuma), she probably wants her dog there unleashed. If she can turn him into a puppet and that seems to be her target, then she does not need to be with him in order for him to execute her orders.

    As for Yuuki I do not think that Sara shall need her any longer, Sara tried to achieve the control of the NC and earn more supporters that would leave Yuuki weak and alone. Her dominance now failed, how is she going to justify that? Dunno!

    Sara's control of Zero: I really doubt that Sara is betting on her blood being able to control Zero. Officially he killed Shizuka, the person who made him a vampire. She is probably going to use his weakness (Yuuki) as a trump card, and in the meantime, she has an agreement/trade with Zero.

    Sara controlling Kaname: Kaname's weakness is at the academy, Yuuki. Plus Sara might know Kaname's plans, the plans that Kaname has waited thousands of years to do. Kaname once called Yuuki the perfect choice for assassinating Kaname (chap 20/19....the shizuka convo...can't remember exactly). Sara might know something big enough to have Yuuki try to kill Kaname. Yuuki has her own weaknesses at the academy, like Yori and the entire night class.

    I don't see Sara moving from the Academy soon, especially because all the chess pieces are at the academy, plus most of the people Yuuki cares about.

    The Yuuki tablets: Rima mentioned in chap 75 that she is sticking to the older tablets. There might be another pharmaceutical company out there other than the Ichijo one making these older tablets. Yuuki may only need a select few people from Sara's cages (the researchers and the pres) to start making her own tablets, she may not need Takuma to switch sides.

    The hunters: ehh, i dunno. Either Yagari knows something more than he is showing or he doesn't. So much of what happens next depends on what Yagari does next. Zero doesn't look like he is confiding in either Yagari or Cross.



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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by DarkRose on Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:06 am

    nina wrote:The only thing that puzzles me from Sara’s doings is the creation of the harem. Why she did it? So far seems it was only for entertaining reasons lol. And why now; the moment that she set the wheel in motion for her plan? So I tend to think that it wasn’t only to amuse her self.

    But let’s see what she gained from that move … On the surface her doings were “legal”, so she knew that the hunters couldn’t do anything to her, but still, turning humans into vampires is something repulsive, for the hunters and for Kaname as well.
    So her move put her on the spot, but synchronously aroused suspicions for Kaname too. As we saw the fact that Kaname didn’t do nothing to stop her made the hunters suspecting him as her ally, so we can say that, this was the first blow on the foundation of their new mutual agreement. The hunters arrested Hanabusa, a very close person to Kaname, without any reason. <<< This was an open contestation towards Kaname, from their part.
    The question is; how she knew that Kaname won’t oppose her? Maybe she knew something more that we miss right now, or she was just gambling … as she told Takuma, after Ouri’s murder, if she was Kaname then she would let the offending party be at first …
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-40425-13/vampire-knight/chapter-56.html

    Now … Sara knows that Kaname understood pretty well that she was the one who killed Ouri … he almost accused her for that openly at the ball. Ergo the “war” between Sara and Kaname was declared from that night!
    So, would he oppose her for a misdemeanour, such as turning some girls, while her objectives were obviously bigger than that; since she already had killed Ouri for obtaining his power??? I think not … hence the gamble she took probably was very well calculated.

    From what we know so far about Sara’s plan I think her intentions are:

    1. Yuuki…
    Remove Yuuki from her position as the leader of the vampires. Maybe she’ll use a similar method as she is using towards Kaname by turning the hunters and the vampire’s society against him … maybe she wants to make Yuuki seem like incapable leader. If Yuuki’s attempt with the NC fails then the hunters and the vampires will withdraw their support and the road for the throne will be more open for her. Furthermore if she’s planning to use her tablets to submit the vampires and the NC class then she’ll be in the position to control the vampires hence she’ll seem like the most capable leader.
    The question is how she’ll succeed to do that. Maybe by setting up an incident in the academy? I don’t know, cuz something like that wouldn’t destroy completely Yuuki’s profile. Maybe she’ll go for a more massive blow … ???
    The sure thing is that Yuuki’s unstable current state serves her right and as we saw her lies about Kaname increased Yuuki’s anxiety and hunger.
    Maybe the upcoming bite will turn out as her advantage?
    Will see … but whatever if she plans I think she’ll do it behind the scene, avoiding to expose herself.

    2. Kaname …
    I think she knows that the biggest obstacle for her could be ultimately Kaname … he is more powerful from her and as she said she’s not a fool like Rido!
    So until now Kaname’s moves served her perfectly … she killed Ouri but he didn’t oppose her … she turned a bunch of girls into vampires and still he let her be … she took Hanadagi’s heart and Kaname finished him off and took the blame for that too. And as if weren’t all that enough she badmouthed him directly to the hunters and to Yuuki.
    So her first goal towards Kaname was to destruct the trust of his “allies”. I’m guessing that her next move would be to turn the hunters against him in order to be they, who will take him down and not her cuz I suspect that at least Cross didn’t buy her lies …

    “One piece take the other, and the last one wins” …
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-57815-40/vampire-knight/chapter-65.html

    So somewhere there I think it come Zero’s role into her plan …

    3. Zero …
    I think the hunter’s hand that she’s seeking is Zero’s. Clues …

    > She’d tried to harass him, triggering his hate/vendetta, by saying that the Kurans used him and threw him away …
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-47679-28/vampire-knight/chapter-58.html

    > She told to Takuma that Zero is also a piece on her chess game …
    Takuma: “You do realize that in the association there are people on your level” (meaning Zero)
    Sara: “I see … he is also a piece”
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-57815-39/vampire-knight/chapter-65.html
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-57815-40/vampire-knight/chapter-65.html

    > She is offering her blood … now we know that through her blood controlling Takuma. Ergo probably wishes the same for Zero.
    http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/73/2

    But I don’t think that she could possibly believe that Zero will take her blood casually lol. I think she has a plan for him in order to make him drink from her.

    > When she’s telling to Takuma to stop giving info to her rivals, she also says …
    “You can’t do that … cuz there are still some things that I wish to do in the academy” and this wording is on the panel where is depicted Zero.
    http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/73/32

    So could be that she’s planning to use Zero to kill Kaname????




    But.... even if Sara want to get Zero to kill Kaname he'd have to get through Yukki first, sFun_banghead2 his weakness is her so i don't think the plan would work but Sara knows some of this so the plan must be complexed. bouncing

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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by nina on Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:33 pm

    Juliet wrote: It’s a matter of priorities I guess…will they prefer to annihilate all the PBs and take Sara’s side in the cost of the rest vampires (and potentially human victims) or would they prefer to co-side with their president and become a shield for all? Vampires and humans?

    Oh yes I agree … If it comes to choose between humans and their objective to kill the PBs, they do not have other choice than to protect humans.

    Basically I was talking for the eventuality if the problem won’t affect the humans; or for the meantime until vampires in the town start to attack on humans. For example if Kaname’s precaution to keep humans away from the distribution area averts the attacks or at least gain some time then the tabs will still affecting only the vampires < something that as we saw leave the hunters indifferent.

    And it isn’t weird that Yagari took so lightly the situation in the academy? I was like affraid when I saw his reaction! The DC was nearby and this incident in the NC, if Yuuki wouldn’t have interfered, could be a disaster. They are so dense to foresee how the issue with the tablets could escalate?

    Futhermore as I see Sara’s plan is ready to be revealed here anytime soon through Yuuki, Zero may protect her but what about Yuuki? Can the hunters be that blind and deaf to all pleads and dangers that concern the NC but also the Day Class?and here I shall use your own argument;

    I hope when Yuuki reveals the facts that Sara was behind the tabs and the one who attacked at Hanadagi’s castle will make the difference for the hunters, though I have some doubts. But in this case Zero will be in a difficult position regarding the hunters cuz if these info make them to react differently then Zero will be the one who kept significant information from them and his “alliance” with Sara will be exposed.

    So even if they co-side with Sara at least at the first stages, I doubt that they can follow her all of her plan.

    *nods* This ^^ is what I was talking about … for the first stages cuz eventually Sara’s plan and alliances will collapse. But till then maybe there is some time and opportunities to be highlighted certain twisted rationales or where these stances could have led.
    We agree that something must change in HA and as I see it Kaien’s views are on the right direction, but unfortunately currently he is the only one there. So something must happen in order for them to change. For example in the first arc Kaien had to expose the filthy role of their president in front of their eyes to avert the last moment their attack on the NC.
    The same goes for Zero too … even if he is currently Sara’s shield, eventually we know that this isn’t gonna last. But we do not know for how long he’ll act as Sara’s ally until he’ll change his stance and becomes one of the keys for the co-existence as he is predestinate to be.

    Also what makes me believe that she will leave the academy ground’s is her statement here where she says that there are still things to do in this academy> we know that she means Zero. She is not there yet, but doesn’t that mean that once she fully posses him she shall leave?

    The point is … does she fully possess him or there is something more that she should do in order Zero to fall like Takuma?

    She may have more aces up her sleeve? Because until now it does not make so much sense.

    The key here is hunters’ stance. If we see them to change course then yes maybe Sara has no other choice than to escape from the academy. But till then maybe Zero is enough protection for her.

    Now Zero standing between Sara and Yuuki who shall he chooses? That’s also interesting to see.

    Didn’t he choose? He said to Yuuki that he won’t allow her to lay a finger on Sara and note that Zero knows all the facts that Yuuki knows about Sara. So what is gonna make the difference there? Kaname’s arrival? Somehow Kaname’s “strike” there doesn’t seem promising that he’ll try to convince Zero lol.
    I don’t know maybe I’m wrong here …

    And btw about Kaname …

    Could be, even though Kaname (as his despair can tell us and the his knowledge that Sara holds Takuma) knows that this moment shall arrive, so logically despite Yuuki’s reaction there, he has predicted that part (and eventually he will pull it through no matter what). But you are right that perhaps Sara bets on the “despair” that the revelation of that sin may cause him; perhaps she is even hoping that one way or another Kaname will be eliminated on his own device at the end > not sure about the latest, but there must be another piece her to justify her confidence besides Zero who is her last safety net and her way to control and the rest purebloods.

    I had in mind … what if he is bound to keep on damaging his profile, for a reason that it isn’t so clear to us yet. That’s what I meant with his tied hands. For example … why he left Touma on Kaien’s hands?
    If Touma doesn’t know anything about Sara or he wasn’t manipulated by her (just speculate here) hence to help in Sara’s conviction, then he would be against Kaname and not Sara. So why he “handed him over” to hunters?
    Thus I was theorizing that one factor for Sara’s confidence may stem from Kaname’s dead-end i.e. to take the blame again, for the time being at least.
    And another thing that we do not know, is if everything are going according to his plan or something unexpected/random happened that forced him to change course and I’m not referring on the revelation of the “sin” cuz for that I agree that he should have foreseen it lol.

    If all that she has done come to light due to Yuuki, I think that even the Kuran mansion is a safer place than the academy…LOL…let me see that.

    Hahaha … though don’t be surprised if you see Kaien saying to Sara –after Yuuki’s revelations – that “You were a naughty princess I’ve heard … I have to scold you missy …” rofl … I’m kidding

    As for Yuuki I do not think that Sara shall need her any longer, Sara tried to achieve the control of the NC and earn more supporters that would leave Yuuki weak and alone. Her dominance now failed, how is she going to justify that? Dunno!

    Maybe she doesn’t need her but Yuuki is always Kaname’s soft spot, his weakness, so if the circumstances allow her to stay longer at the academy, Yuuki can always be an advantage for her to twist Kaname’s arm …

    Well as I said … the development depends from how much longer Sara’s plan will go on something that maybe is in relation with hunters stance and of course with Kaname’s plan for which we are still in the dark to estimate better the unfoldment *sigh*
    Needless to say that as the days goes by and we are reaching the date of the new release my ability to think faints hahaha … my mind turning numb rofl rofl





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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by juliet on Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:13 am

    Sara's control of Zero: I really doubt that Sara is betting on her blood being able to control Zero. Officially he killed Shizuka, the person who made him a vampire. She is probably going to use his weakness (Yuuki) as a trump card, and in the meantime, she has an agreement/trade with Zero.

    But then what others ways does she have in order to turn him into her lethal weapon and her puppet? He may not accept her blood, but in the last chapter Maria threw a hint there that Zero’s thirst has increased, coincidence?or is that a preparation for a future blood offering? Could also Sara be well aware of that and perhaps skimming something to get Zero to get her blood in order to secure his protection?

    Because okay she says that “secret” that angers Zero but from the anger state to the complete obedience state, there is a great distance, so for now I can not think another way with which she will enslave him. And neither Yuuki works here because Sara targets at creating an opposition between him and Yuuki; as she says two chapters ago she is interested in seeing what the reactions and the sides shall be, so I doubt that she is thinking of using Yuuki as a weakness for Zero, she knows that Yuuki is Kaname’s weakness and I think that she bets more on taking advantage of Kaname than Zero regarding this point.

    The ones that are thinking though of using Yuuki as a pole of attraction are the hunters (not Sara), at least this is what Yagari had been thinking (no need to refer the chapter, I think we all remember it), which brings me here to Nina’s answer and reply regarding this;

    Didn’t he(zero) choose? He said to Yuuki that he won’t allow her to lay a finger on Sara and note that Zero knows all the facts that Yuuki knows about Sara. So what is gonna make the difference there? Kaname’s arrival? Somehow Kaname’s “strike” there doesn’t seem promising that he’ll try to convince Zero lol.
    I don’t know maybe I’m wrong here …

    No you are not wrong, he preferred to protect Sara than Yuuki’s and the NC’s best interest (and health) but this is his first reaction, what I want to see is how far he shall drag this and up to what point he might be willing to protect Sara example would he really threat Yuuki?

    Kaname is not going to let Zero stand an obstacle in Yuuki’s path and also the clearance of the tablets case when innocent lives are threatened to serve as an army for Sara’s dominance. Its understood, even if Kaname hurts or “neutralizes” Zero at the current point in order to liberate Yuuki, its comprehensible and perhaps that’s what he intends to do. Perhaps instead of wasting time there and try to convince Zero or if his hands are tied now and he can not offer a full view of his plans, it would be better to eliminate Zero out of the game, temporarily, so Sara loses the enjoyment of her new weapon and then we shall see how she can stand.

    Otherwise the scene is exciting for her; Zero threats Kaname, Kaname threats Zero, Yuuki tries to protect both and at the end there is a circle that makes all three to lose focus while Sara enjoys the view.

    Kaname's weakness is at the academy, Yuuki. Plus Sara might know Kaname's plans, the plans that Kaname has waited thousands of years to do. Kaname once called Yuuki the perfect choice for assassinating Kaname (chap 20/19....the shizuka convo...can't remember exactly). Sara might know something big enough to have Yuuki try to kill Kaname. Yuuki has her own weaknesses at the academy, like Yori and the entire night class.

    I don't see Sara moving from the Academy soon, especially because all the chess pieces are at the academy, plus most of the people Yuuki cares about.

    M..but wan’t that the same case with Shizuka? Yuuki denied killing Kaname and instead offered herself there. I doubt of a repetition happening, or I hope not (not that cliché).
    Anyway we shall see…it seems that Sara is betting a lot on this “secret”, perhaps she tries to remain in the academy and shall use Zero as her shield to earn time there but my overall appreciation is that she “burned” that card and even if she wishes to remain there after all that she did, will Kaien allow that to her after he learns what happened? Her only chance of remaining is through Zero’s protection but that would mean that Zero would have to confront Kaien and Yuuki every single day, so I do not know.
    Kaien is also responsible for the co-existence treaty but also for the school project. How can he let that go? And sooner or later he will learn from Yuuki not only what happened but the fact that Zero lied to him and tried to protect Sara…all these get complicated with Sara remaining in the academy, at least that’s what I think.

    Too much are adding up against her, I mean under the certain circumstances, it would seem to be idiotic to remain there. The only thing that may postpone her departure is that she wants full control over Zero (after all that was the reason that she entered the academy) and to answer and to Nina here, no I do not think that she has fully achieved it, but she is getting closer chapter by chapter.

    Now I hope that the next chapter shall reveal a lot more and Kaname’s influence its going to play a role there I think so there is another parameter to consider…

    Hahaha … though don’t be surprised if you see Kaien saying to Sara –after Yuuki’s revelations – that “You were a naughty princess I’ve heard … I have to scold you missy …” … I’m kidding

    I will not be, I promise…furthermore imagine Sara being punished for all of these only with a spanking from Kaien? Haha and then she gets out of the association and guess what? She finally found the hunter’s hand that she needed….haha….

    what if he is bound to keep on damaging his profile, for a reason that it isn’t so clear to us yet. That’s what I meant with his tied hands. For example … why he left Touma on Kaien’s hands?
    If Touma doesn’t know anything about Sara or he wasn’t manipulated by her (just speculate here) hence to help in Sara’s conviction, then he would be against Kaname and not Sara. So why he “handed him over” to hunters?
    Thus I was theorizing that one factor for Sara’s confidence may stem from Kaname’s dead-end i.e. to take the blame again, for the time being at least.
    And another thing that we do not know, is if everything are going according to his plan or something unexpected/random happened that forced him to change course and I’m not referring on the revelation of the “sin” cuz for that I agree that he should have foreseen it lol.

    Yes I get what you mean, well Kaname baffles with everyone at this point and it’s very hard to estimate his intentions. But if there is a reason that obliges him into pretention (and it seems that there is one), then certainly Sara can have an advantage here and continue with her plan, but only for a certain period of time until Kaname fulfills his own objectives (because it seems that he is after something that has not happened yet).

    What I wanted to notice though was the fact that Kaname said that he will come to kill Sara…

    And here I remembered you (dear Nina) that you previously asked;

    If they think that Kaname fooled them and he has no intention to kill all the PBs –which is their prime priority as it seems – then Sara serves them better. Either way eventually their goal is to annihilate all the PBs including Kaname of course if not and Yuuki. So if Sara or her plan can help them to exterminate PBs and mostly Kaname, why not do not side with her temporarily, until their goals coincide and then kill Sara … I suppose Sara is an easier target than Kaname no?

    And since you referred about that short-term attitude of the hunters (because in long term we both know that Sara’s plan is impossible to be shielded by the hunters), well Kaname now does make his appearance at the academy, so in a way he can pretend that he is there in order to fulfill his promise that he shall kill Sara...

    Regardless that he may accidently just pumped into that hunter that did not let him fulfill his plan that so well fitted the hunters. What a shame! Kaname had no option but to flee away! The next panel is the hunters throwing Sara out of the academy with her throne. (hahaha I am kidding but don’t tell me that this scenario has not a lot of potentiality).

    Anyway what I mean to say is that at least for now he is covered, also from his message to Yuuki, I think that its Kaname that he wants all pawns gathered in the academy (therefore his statement obliges Yuuki to secure Sara in) because he wants Yuuki to found out about Sara and reveal her, we know that he protects Yuuki and all these things could blow against her with Sara completely unleashed and Yuuki’s attention somewhere else. He provides her a focus point there and gives her direction while doing also other stuff.

    Sometimes I get the impression that Kaname has no really interest in Sara, what he cares though is to give to Yuuki an occupation that will make her stand out and keep her also away from his plans, so I am thinking that he shall aid Yuuki here (on his own way) but he will also leave her the space that she needs in order to reveal Sara’s plan and get the credits and the recognition for this in order to earn her place in the vampire world as a worthy Kuran representative of the peace treaty despite her young age and her inexperience. It seems that she is accepted from both hunters and vampires and now she is making her way to success through Sara.






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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by nina on Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:08 pm

    Seeing Sara so calm – almost apathetic – in chapter 79 when Kaname supposedly went there to kill her I had the feeling that Sara for some reasons didn’t believe/afraid that Kaname actually will kill her something that as we saw happened in the last chapter. In fact Ruka’s words > “Meanwhile Kaname sama will suppress Sara” betray that neither Kaname had the intention to kill her.

    So since Sara’s life and schemes I suppose are prolonging – now seems that she’ll be transferred at the HA – I couldn’t stop thinking what else she has to pull off from her sleeve?!
    There is a depiction in which Hino had showed, very early, who are gonna be her pawns into her chess game >>
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-57815-40/vampire-knight/chapter-65.html

    I always found the particular depiction very important and quite revealing and now it is even more apparent its importance.

    1. Yuuki … even though it was obvious that Yuuki would have a role into Sara’s plans – and we saw what she tried to do with the NC which was Yuuki’s project- however the interesting hint is that Yuuki was depicted with the school uniform i.e. a hint for the reopening of the NC.

    2. Takuma … despite that it was known from the very start that Takuma was used from Sara; however now we can see that Takuma was an essential pawn for her … we could even say that her plan is based on Takuma’s information and help.

    3. Zero … it was hinted from the scene at the all-girl academy that Sara was targeting on Zero but I always wondered how she can approach and get him?!

    Well the big surprise and the answer to this question was already hinted from Hino in that depiction >> Shizuka! >>

    4. Shizuka is in there and while back then I couldn’t figure out what role she could play on Sara’s favor, now is revealed >> Shizuka’s story has used from Sara as Kaname’s “sin” in order to feed Zero’s hate for Kaname something that brought Zero closer to her.

    But in this pic there is another manly figure! To me seems to be Rido.

    Therefore based on the fact that thus far every figure had a reason to be there; I cannot believe that the same won’t apply for Rido too. And since Rido hasn’t play yet any role I think that this gonna be Sara’s next card!

    The question is though, how??? Rido is dead but dead was also and Shizuka and yet she played a role there.
    The only that I could think of is the fact that Rido had awakened Kaname. This fact I do not know how known is and what implications can bring in the future.

    There is an apparent chess game between Sara and Kaname and thus far Sara is trying to use Kaname’s weaknesses as stepping stones and Kaname is letting her. So could be Rido in a sense another “weak” point for Kaname; and how? Moreover … could this card be related somehow with Sara’s next move to transfer at the HA; which as we can assume wasn’t so much out of need but as a part of her calculated plan?

    Anyway my point mainly was to stress that probably Sara has another “rabbit in her hat” to pull and this rabbit most likely is Rido.

    Any idea?





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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by Yuukieee on Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:35 pm

    Thanks for your brilliant analysis nina Very Happy

    I was wondering if Rido killed Sara's parents when she was young together with some abetter from the HA so that she could be more easily manipulated by the Council, which would gain thus a powerful ally. (we got proven Sara was/is being in touch with the Council). If that was the case, Sara might hit two birds with just one stone: A) she could lie to Yuki claiming Kaname was her parents' murderer as to prove he was planning to kill all PBs from the beginning just to be the strongest vampire left. By doing so she could reinforce the idea "Kaname is just evil and deserves to die" ; B) by gaining a free pass into the HA she might take revenge on the one who prolly killed her parents togetehr with Rido.

    I know it may sound weird but I cant think of anything else for now. scratch


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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by aristocratic-pureblood on Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:59 pm

    I do not like the fact thet she is just taking advantage of Takuma in that way. She basically treats him like a doll. She wants to be some kind of queen, right? I think that is correct.

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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by nina on Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:51 pm

    Yuukieee wrote:Thanks for your brilliant analysis nina Very Happy

    I was wondering if Rido killed Sara's parents when she was young together with some abetter from the HA so that she could be more easily manipulated by the Council, which would gain thus a powerful ally. (we got proven Sara was/is being in touch with the Council). If that was the case, Sara might hit two birds with just one stone: A) she could lie to Yuki claiming Kaname was her parents' murderer as to prove he was planning to kill all PBs from the beginning just to be the strongest vampire left. By doing so she could reinforce the idea "Kaname is just evil and deserves to die" ; B) by gaining a free pass into the HA she might take revenge on the one who prolly killed her parents togetehr with Rido.

    I know it may sound weird but I cant think of anything else for now. scratch


    Thanks Yuukieee for your thoughts Very Happy … I’m also in the dark here so any idea is welcomed haha. cheers

    Now lets see … you have a point there and this gave me another crazy idea haha but what the heck I’ll blurt it out Razz

    You are right … in this last chapter we finally learnt that Sara’s parents are dead and it is to wonder if is just a coincidence that Hino disclosed that now. (?)
    Was it only to reinforce the reasons of why Takuma had fallen into her web –since Takuma is so kindhearted and sensitive; or she has something more to reveal?

    Also as we know isn’t so easy for PBs to die therefore it is possible to exist a story regarding the conditions of Sara’s parents’ death even though that I got the vibe from Sara’s overall stance in life that her parents might have been PBs who lost their will to live thus and Sara grew up having this fear in mind which seems that has define her.

    However even if Rido or the senate had played a role to Shirabukis’ extinction still I do not know how Sara could use this against Kaname.

    As it is implied Sara probably has lost her parents pretty early and as we saw from the flashbacks in the last chapter, when Kaname and Takuma were still boys Sara was already a lady.
    http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/80/16

    This means that Sara is older from Kaname (and I mean from Kaname’s current age) … so when her parents’ died it is very possible that Kaname was a toddler or even he hadn’t born/awakened yet.

    So, even if Rido was the culprit how this roughly-made lie could fly? I suppose the HA probably would also have a record about Sara’s parents’ death.

    My thoughts revolves mostly around the fact that Kaname is an ancestor < this info seemed important for Sara on how she calculated her steps but till now we do not know how this info helped her. Thus I wonder if this info will be used from now on as her next move.

    Said that and trying to combine all the above my mind goes to > what if; Sara by knowing that Kaname is an ancestor considers Kaname as responsible for her parents death? What if she is actually quite older?

    Let me explain before you throw tomatoes hahaha

    I mean Kaname was the one who enforced the rule that PBs cannot turn humans. And actually this is something that Sara pointed out to him in a mocking way >>
    http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/79/27

    We know that this rule wasn’t seen by the PBs well and this is an understatement … there is the twisted notion that PBs who are deprived from acting based on their bloody instincts are losing their will to go on living. Kaname’s rules and in general the lifestyle that the Kurans’ represented and tried to inflict to vampires’ society wasn’t in PBs favor. Maybe even drove many PBs into slumber.
    And Sara is one of these PBs who have this ideology, and actually says so to Kaname blatantly; that this foolish rule wasn’t good for PBs even though that rule had stopped the wide wars of the past. But Sara and many PBs do not want peace (Touma is another example) … on the contrary are craving for blood and domination over the human kind.

    So what if her parents were also “victims” of that rule and in general victims of the Kurans’ ruling system? If so then Sara by growing up with this grudge and rationale gives to her goal more substance. Also matches better with her siding with the senate since they also trashed in many ways what Kaname and the Kurans tried to accomplish and also could be another reason to want to destroy the hunters thus and she manipulated Zero (or she thought so) to help her seeking supposedly for a shelter at the HA.

    Well this it could be a far fetched theory lol! and still doesn’t involve Rido much except from the fact that Rido awakened the ancestor Kaname.

    Blood-boy wrote:I do not like the fact thet she is just taking advantage of Takuma in that way. She basically treats him like a doll. She wants to be some kind of queen, right? I think that is correct.

    I couldn’t agree with you more on this! I'm furious of the way she treats Takuma furious

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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by Yuukieee on Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:16 pm

    Let me explain before you throw tomatoes hahaha
    <-- just LOL xD your crazy ideas are a delightful entertainment so please keep on sharin'! and by the way I dont find 'em that crazy xD

    in this last chapter we finally learnt that Sara’s parents are dead and it is to wonder if is just a coincidence that Hino disclosed that now. (?)

    I doubt Hino would randomly drop info in her storyline just to fill in the balloons, so I'm pretty positive the disclosure of Sara's parents' death plays a big role in Sara's plan.

    Also as we know isn’t so easy for PBs to die therefore it is possible to exist a story regarding the conditions of Sara’s parents’ death even though that I got the vibe from Sara’s overall stance in life that her parents might have been PBs who lost their will to live thus and Sara grew up having this fear in mind which seems that has define her.

    You might have a point there...but then if her parents committed suicide because bored with the shallow life Kaname's rules had imposed to live, why would not she mention it to Takuma in the scene where she confessed her desire to not die out of boredom like Yuuki's parents and Ouri did? (she seems there to not know of the Kurans' murder by Rido)

    http://www.mangareader.net/104-40425-11/vampire-knight/chapter-56.html

    That's just wondering, because she might as well not have mentioned of her parents' suicide (if your theory is right) just to hide a significant pawn to Takuma.

    This means that Sara is older from Kaname (and I mean from Kaname’s current age) … so when her parents’ died it is very possible that Kaname was a toddler or even he hadn’t born/awakened yet.

    From the pic we see (if im not mistaking) Kaname with the approximate age of when he planned to release Shizuka from her cage. This proves Kaname's tricky mind could be troublesome even when he was very young. We still dunno how long before that scene Sara's parents had died, they could of have died just a couple of weeks/days before, then it could be possible to sell the lie about a young Kaname planning on something murderous.

    http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/80/16


    So, even if Rido was the culprit how this roughly-made lie could fly? I suppose the HA probably would also have a record about Sara’s parents’ death.

    And there you highlight something I've been thinking of too. Sara might be aiming to something stored in the HA's archives.Dunno if it's something she wants to destroy to prevent her plan from screwing up or something she needs to gain a knowledge of from the records.

    Said that and trying to combine all the above my mind goes to > what if; Sara by knowing that Kaname is an ancestor considers Kaname as responsible for her parents death? What if she is actually quite older?

    Your idea is actually interesting, Sara might be willing to kill Kaname also because his pacifism is too boring and she wants to turn things upsidedown.This estimation of yours would be still valid even if Sara's parents didnt commit suicide.

    Another crazy idea I had about Sara's seeking for protection into the HA was that she is planning on turn into her servant someone who could be able to kill Zero if he was to harm her. I cant believe Sara is that unwary as to think Zero would not try kill her after she helps him finish Kaname. She must definitely have stored an ace up her sleeve in order to prevent Zero from killing her.
    Ok I'm done for now with my crazy thoughts, I shall open an umbrella to dodge tomatoes shower xD

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