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sweetsolace wrote: why he never had to know the scope? he is the president of the company and Asato is just the founder, the founder has no control over the operations of the tablets, he only supplies financial support and other back ups, thats the purpose of the president, to rule over any decisions made towards the tablets. The company was made to supply blood tablets. but since the question is about the Research, in reality we can only make assumptions as to who ordered it and who started it since really, there is no way for you to tell that founder Asato ordered president to do it, especially when they have different views (Asato is bad, President is good etc) .
The current president or any president is an employee who has to follow the instructions of his employer aka Asato or the owner of the company. His research was about the venturesomeness of the PBs, among other things. The president didn’t have to know the final use of his research. It was on the stage of researching and not on production/distribution << which could expose the real purpose.
And here youre saying that Asato and Sara's plans are the same but Asato doesnt want to be a king, he wants purebloods to vanish, while Sara wants to sit on top of the throne..
the tablets theory was more like she wants to dominate everyone, for everyone to be her puppets, rather than to kill purebloods.
Asato wanted all the PBs to vanish what for? Apparently for his final dominance. I suppose that he didn’t want co-existence after the elimination of the entire PB’s race. If he had succeeded that then he would be the “king” or the ruler of the vampire world. Also he had plans to exterminate the hunters as well … so eventually to be able to control the humans too, since vampires are superior from the humans. However there existed nobles that where anti-senate and pro coexistence. How would he control them? He had to exterminate them as well OR he could control them through the tablets since these families were mostly the users of the tabs?
I don’t know but to me Asato’s final goal and Sara’s seems quite similar … the only difference is that the “final boss” would be a different kind.
And another thing is … even if Sara succeeds and eliminates the Kurans the other PBs why to accept her as a queen? She isn’t the most powerful PB neither an old one. How she can ensure her queenship forever since the “games” for power are identified with their nature? Isn’t now a golden opportunity to get rid of her potential enemies for the throne?
juliet wrote: And Sara also accidental moves in for the research that suits her plans and can be used to do terrible things? Or discovers it with her visit
there? No, she knew that the president had a research there, that’s why
she visits him.
Yes she knew about the research cuz Takuma says >> “The agenda of our talk is about YOUR REQUEST to supply blood to develop the blood tablets new medicine etc.” So Sara was already informed thus maybe she already had prisoners at her basement as blood suppliers.
That’s why she wants to control the pharmaceutical company and she also needs Takuma.
Exactly! This is also confirmed by Yagari >>
“We’re told that it seems the head of the Ichijou group will change but you mustn’t cut your connections with them no matter what.”
Most likely the head of the Ichijou would be Takuma and that’s why Sara took him and is very possible that it was Sara who finished Asato in order to open the road for Takuma as the heir.
And Takuma says that Sara was a person that the president had met in the past. But when in the past?
Because it seems that after Asato’s death, Takuma has not visited the
The time when Sara met the president in the past is vague. Also the current president is new in his position >>
Takuma: “It has been a while since I met you in the personnel meeting AFTER my grandfather retired.”
>> so Takuma met him after Asato died. The weird though is that Takuma says retired and not death … Is it possible that the death of Asato isn’t wide known??
Takuma: “Have you become familiar with the NEW official position?
>>apparently he wasn’t president in the past. He might be just the scientist and Takuma made him the president under Sara’s instructions???
sweetsolace wrote: in chapter 65 the president says when he was in prison:
"I intend to understand the danger concerning purebloods... But I cant believe I was caught off guard"
not only does he emphasize the word "I" pertaining himself as the one who operates the research but he also makes it seem like he had make a mistake in exposing that research to Sara. He was "caught off guard" possibly indicates that Sara did something to squeeze the research out from him.
The wording “off guard” I think is referring on the bite … Despite the fact that the president knew how dangerous a PB could be she caught him off guard, bitten him and now is one of her puppets >>>
President (chapter 65): “The other people in the prison were ALSO FORCIBLY made to become obedient vampires only for her.”
Takuma and the president knew that Sara was informed about his research cuz Takuma says it openly >>”The AGENDA of our talk is about YOUR REQUEST to supply blood to develop the blood tablets new medicine etc.”
Also at president’s office when Takuma said that “a person who had talk with you in the past wants to greet you again…” the president replied >>
President: “Well then she is the PBs …” (and he seems scared and sweaty)
Takuma: “Yes she is Shirabuki Sara …” >>
>> How the president figured out that the visitor was Sara and why he was scared?
Also Takuma doesn’t want to leave both of them alone for the president’s safety>>
Takuma: “No I don’t want to leave just the two of you here … It’s not for YOU (Sara) BUT FOR THE PRESIDENT.”
Her prior visit to him means she has established enough friendship/familiarity to be used as a decoy to get him into her trap... of which he apparently fell for. "he was caught off guard" because he thought Sara was an acquaintance, having known her in the past, he would not suspect she had such intentions.
From the agony on president’s face it doesn’t seem that they had established a friendship/familiarity.
I still do not see how a dead man can have involvement into this, if for some reason he had secured Sara to be his successor somewhat shouldn't he have prepared for this by making it more easier for her? Like telling the president in advance to give their research to her so she would not have any difficulty having to control him? she has to act like the president was in actual opposition to her plans, and it doesnt even make sense that he would not know he was working on something evil considering his morals show that he doesnt want chaos.
The involvement of Asato was that he was the one who raised the pharmaceutical company. How exactly Asato wanted to use this company isn’t clear but I guess wasn’t for peaceful purposes so we can assume that he wanted to explore the powers of the PBs since they were dangerous not only for vampires but for humans as well i.e. their enemy. Also note that Takuma is speaking about the development of blood tablets AND medicine etc … so this is what the president knew.
Another possibility is that Asato wanted to control the blood tablets since until then the tabs were NC’s product and the NC wasn’t under his control >> the tabs were used from the vampires that were pro-coexistence i.e. anti-senate.
Anyway the president or the scientists had no reason to know the actual or final USE of their research viz how Asato was planning to use it. Many scientists are working on researches that if fall into wrong hands could be lethal and in the right hands miraculous. It hasn’t to be the research evil but the USE of it is another story … and the use would be decided by the owner of the company thus and the president asks Takuma to stop Sara cuz she’s planning to USE the accumulated research for terrible things. Ergo it’s not the research evil but the USE of it.
Either way Asato didn’t make it … he died before he succeeds to use this research.
Sara wasn’t Asato’s successor but Takuma.
They collaborating on the surface but apparently both of them had their own plans. Asato tried to be pleasant and respectful towards the PBs who collaborated with him but his ultimate goal was to exterminate all of them, including Sara I suppose. He aided Rido supposedly to be the leader of vampires but his final intent was to wipe off Rido as well. Ofc he wouldn’t reveal that to Rido, would he? Apparently not … the same goes for Sara.
On the other hand Sara was playing the “nice girl” but she had her own agenda … she had her own plans even when Asato was still alive >>
Takuma: “Is it someone you mentioned before … a PB from the Shirabuki family?”
>> so Sara had asked already Asato to meet Takuma which mean that she had started her moves while Asato was still alive. Who knows what excuse used Sara to Asato for her will to meet Takuma?! But obviously she wouldn’t reveal the true reason!
In my opinion their collaboration was up to a point then their “join” would have to break cuz both of them wanted the same thing >> the dominance of the world. One of their common interest probably was the elimination of the Kurans. Until that major obstacle would be out off the picture they had a common enemy thus it was for their best interest to join forces. But when Asato –through Rido- failed then Asato was needless and an obstacle for Sara thus she might be the one who finished Asato in the battle with Takuma and captured Takuma for the continuation of her plans:
1. To control the pharmaceutical company since Takuma would be the heir as the head of Ichijou family.
2. To abstract info from him about Kaname.
In short Asato and Sara may be collaborators up to a point but underneath they’ve played the game of deception.
I see what you mean and I agree, finally, lol. So again it goes back to the question what does Sara wants most? Its to become queen, not to kill everyone so she will be alone to rule, I believe by her hands and actions she does more things that will make everyone be controlled and hypnotized by her, especially the tablets, her harem, prisoners, etc. The killing part is just one of her plans IMO because I dont see her interested in it.
If Sara wants to annihilate all the PBs and synchronously be the queen aren’t two goals controversial to each other. On the contrary are combined perfectly.
She triggers the war between the PBs (thinking that she is using Kaname’s actions for that purpose so the PBs would exterminate one another) and in the same time she’s preparing her own “army” through her tablets. Cuz how she could impose the use of the tabs to PBs, especially to ones who aren’t pro-coexistence and use human’s fresh blood? As it seems for now her plan works in two directions >>
- The upcoming “war” will exterminate PBs >> she is using Kaname for that.
- The tabs will help her to control the lower vampire’s … first as her army ready to be sacrificed for her and then to have them under fully control.
But I think the hunters have also a role to play into her plans … how? One role that I can think of is to use their hands (mostly Zero’s) to kill Kaname. If Kaname fulfil his declaration and wipe off ALL the PBs then she’ll have to kill him in the end. She knows that she can’t do this herself so?
And something lastly about Sara’s tablets …
In chapter 72 when Yuuki tried to capture the vampire who made the auction he threw at her a bottle with pills >>
Seems like the content of the bottle to be important cuz despite that he was in a hurry to escape he didn’t left behind that bottle! Could be Sara’s tablets? What the purpose of that bottle in the scene???
This scene was before Yuuki even consume blood tablets and before we see the new oval Sara’s tabs … lol.