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    What does Sara want?

    Post by Knightmare on Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:44 am

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    Sara told Takuma she wants to be queen. She said she didn't want to lose her purpose, and so have something to live for.

    I cannot understand her ambition and whether we're actually meant to buy this or not. Is she really so simple? what advantages are there to being ruler?

    - Most of the purebloods don't care about ruling, they only care about themselves
    - Is she unhappy with some aspects of their society? because otherwise, she pretty much seems to be doing what she wants anyway.
    - Why bother with the obvious hassle of gathering allies (which she isn't doing) in order to keep the vampires under control. She doesn't need to be ruler if she doesn't want to keep control of the vampires.
    - She doesn't need to be ruler if she just wants to do whatever she wants, she just has to be sneaky.
    - She doesn't have to be ruler if she wants to shake up the society or even break the treaty.

    It just all seems....very very shallow and non purposeful. So what is her purpose?

    Secondly, how is she trying to achieve it? I'd like to be able to see an actual method to understand her character.
    - Creating a harem of girls to make everyone think she's an airhead/make the hunters suspicious of her
    - Tasty blood tablets
    - Creating people as soldiers
    - Taking purebloods hearts to gain strength and not covering up her actions (she left witnesses)
    - Trying to win Zero over
    - Forcing her "allies" to drink her blood
    - Blaming Kaname for her crimes no one suspects her of

    Where does Sara see this as all leading?
    -Kaname has even vacated his position for a couple of months now and even killed fellow purebloods and is doubted by everyone
    -Sara is sitting on her tush following Yuuki to school, who hasn't managed to gain any real following and has everyone doubting her because of Kaname.
    - Now was the perfect time to swoop in and "play" the good leader, I don't know what Sara is waiting for, the longer she waits, the better position Yuuki gets into.
    -Why does Sara put herself into a precarious position of suspicion (her harem) and now change her mind and focus other misdeeds(ouri's suicide) on Kaname?

    The best time to usurp the leadership position would have been just after the Kaname killed Hanadagi and Nagamichi, before Yuuki gained any momentum in support when all the vampires were suspicious of kaname and his sister. It seems like Sara missed a prime opportunity there, even if the rest of her plan was not ready, she could have improved her standing so easily and make it even easier later on to step into the leadership role.

    And most of all, where does Sara stand on Kaname and his actions, how do they fit into her plans? Does anything upset her? Is she deliberately playing into kaname's hands? It would be nice to see her considering something instead of just random action. If Sara had already proved herself a mastermind, I might be more accepting of her methods rather than being annoyed by it all.

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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by Yuukieee on Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:16 pm

    Let me explain before you throw tomatoes hahaha
    <-- just LOL xD your crazy ideas are a delightful entertainment so please keep on sharin'! and by the way I dont find 'em that crazy xD

    in this last chapter we finally learnt that Sara’s parents are dead and it is to wonder if is just a coincidence that Hino disclosed that now. (?)

    I doubt Hino would randomly drop info in her storyline just to fill in the balloons, so I'm pretty positive the disclosure of Sara's parents' death plays a big role in Sara's plan.

    Also as we know isn’t so easy for PBs to die therefore it is possible to exist a story regarding the conditions of Sara’s parents’ death even though that I got the vibe from Sara’s overall stance in life that her parents might have been PBs who lost their will to live thus and Sara grew up having this fear in mind which seems that has define her.

    You might have a point there...but then if her parents committed suicide because bored with the shallow life Kaname's rules had imposed to live, why would not she mention it to Takuma in the scene where she confessed her desire to not die out of boredom like Yuuki's parents and Ouri did? (she seems there to not know of the Kurans' murder by Rido)

    http://www.mangareader.net/104-40425-11/vampire-knight/chapter-56.html

    That's just wondering, because she might as well not have mentioned of her parents' suicide (if your theory is right) just to hide a significant pawn to Takuma.

    This means that Sara is older from Kaname (and I mean from Kaname’s current age) … so when her parents’ died it is very possible that Kaname was a toddler or even he hadn’t born/awakened yet.

    From the pic we see (if im not mistaking) Kaname with the approximate age of when he planned to release Shizuka from her cage. This proves Kaname's tricky mind could be troublesome even when he was very young. We still dunno how long before that scene Sara's parents had died, they could of have died just a couple of weeks/days before, then it could be possible to sell the lie about a young Kaname planning on something murderous.

    http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/80/16


    So, even if Rido was the culprit how this roughly-made lie could fly? I suppose the HA probably would also have a record about Sara’s parents’ death.

    And there you highlight something I've been thinking of too. Sara might be aiming to something stored in the HA's archives.Dunno if it's something she wants to destroy to prevent her plan from screwing up or something she needs to gain a knowledge of from the records.

    Said that and trying to combine all the above my mind goes to > what if; Sara by knowing that Kaname is an ancestor considers Kaname as responsible for her parents death? What if she is actually quite older?

    Your idea is actually interesting, Sara might be willing to kill Kaname also because his pacifism is too boring and she wants to turn things upsidedown.This estimation of yours would be still valid even if Sara's parents didnt commit suicide.

    Another crazy idea I had about Sara's seeking for protection into the HA was that she is planning on turn into her servant someone who could be able to kill Zero if he was to harm her. I cant believe Sara is that unwary as to think Zero would not try kill her after she helps him finish Kaname. She must definitely have stored an ace up her sleeve in order to prevent Zero from killing her.
    Ok I'm done for now with my crazy thoughts, I shall open an umbrella to dodge tomatoes shower xD
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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by nina on Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:58 am

    Yuukieee wrote: You might have a point there...but then if her parents committed suicide because bored with the shallow life Kaname's rules had imposed to live, why would not she mention it to Takuma in the scene where she confessed her desire to not die out of boredom like Yuuki's parents and Ouri did? (she seems there to not know of the Kurans' murder by Rido)

    http://www.mangareader.net/104-40425-11/vampire-knight/chapter-56.html

    That's just wondering, because she might as well not have mentioned of her parents' suicide (if your theory is right) just to hide a significant pawn to Takuma.

    It won’t be a surprise if she has withheld information from Takuma and it won’t be the first time … many of her moves Takuma had found out afterwards (president’s capture, prisoners at her dungeon, tabs etc). Also if her parents’ death will play a role from now on I suppose Hino wouldn’t want to disclose this info so early plus we do not know how and when Takuma found that her parents are dead. Maybe he knew all along from his grandfather? Well I’m just speculating though.

    However one weak point in my theory is what you said about the suicide. It’s not so easy for PBs to commit suicide and even if that happened somehow, it should have been a big new at least in the vampire society as it was the so-called suicide of Yuuki’s parents. So maybe isn’t known? Or indeed there is something darker behind their death. (???)

    And btw I’m not sure if are wide known the specific conditions under which died Haruka and Juuri. When Kaname informed the vampires’ society about Yuuki’s existence before the ball, he said that the explanation he gave to them was that >>

    “I’ve already told them all they need to know about our parents. Haruka and Juuri lived too long. They were at their limit emotionally. They might not have ended up like that if they had let the madness take over as their instincts dictated. Like Rido had … Both Rido and the senate destroyed the last remnant of peace they had been clinging to … all that was left … was for their lives to slowly crumble away …”

    So I have the impression that the seemingly suicide might still stands and the reason behind it matches with what Sara said as well that she doesn’t want to become like Haruka and Juuri whereas the truth about their death is quite different.

    From the pic we see (if im not mistaking) Kaname with the approximate age of when he planned to release Shizuka from her cage. This proves Kaname's tricky mind could be troublesome even when he was very young. We still dunno how long before that scene Sara's parents had died, they could of have died just a couple of weeks/days before, then it could be possible to sell the lie about a young Kaname planning on something murderous.
    http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/80/16

    Lol yes … basically I had in mind the first translation that we had >>

    Takuma (thinking): “I was very much satisfied with this answer, which made her mine, and mine alone…She who lost her parents when she was just starting to make sense of the world, one of the purebloods feared by all other vampires.”

    >> and another summary made from Japanese raws where is said that Sara lost her parents when she was a baby and she grew up alone. So these two sources coincide on this point so I thought that is more accurate. However, in the scanlation is more vague this portion.

    That’s why though, I said previously that when Sara’s parents died probably Kaname was a toddler due to their age difference, (maybe he even didn’t have his memory back) or perhaps he even hadn’t awakened yet.

    Sara might be willing to kill Kaname also because his pacifism is too boring and she wants to turn things upsidedown.

    I think about that we can be sure … Kaname and his ideas are indeed the biggest obstacle for Sara’s goals which ultimately is to dominate not only over the vampires but over the human kind as well, something that goes back in the ancestors time actually. This was always the core of the wars and of the endless bloodshed in VK.

    In short Sara and PBs like her are posing a threat not only for humans and hunters but for vampires as well. Her words do not leave space for doubts >
    http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/78/30
    http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/78/31

    Another crazy idea I had about Sara's seeking for protection into the HA was that she is planning on turn into her servant someone who could be able to kill Zero if he was to harm her. I cant believe Sara is that unwary as to think Zero would not try kill her after she helps him finish Kaname. She must definitely have stored an ace up her sleeve in order to prevent Zero from killing her.

    This is my wonder too … she cannot be so stupid as to believe that Zero will be always by her side … even if now he might accept her “help” to avenge on Kaname however if this would be over their “cooperation” would be over too and Zero could turn against her.
    Also Zero is the stronger among the hunters so probably it would be too difficult if not impossible for another hunter to kill him. scratch In any case though, Sara still needs him so I do not think that she would try to kill him.

    A way for her to tie Zero would be if she could persuaded him to drink her blood … this is something that had offered a few times already to Zero (she knows that he is hungry) and also she said to Takuma that Zero will fall like him >>

    http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/78/29

    “That child will definitely degrade too just like you Takuma”.

    Ofc the question is how; cuz isn’t simple and even so, Zero isn’t like Takuma … he even defied his mistress, Shizuka. So; it is to wonder what is planning to do with Zero in the long run since it is a weapon which will turn against her sooner or later.

    Now about her goal at the HA … hm … if we consider her pattern which is “divide and conquer” it’s likely that she’ll try to inflict disputes among them or create chaotic conditions as she did at the academy but I think if she would do that she would do it in a subtle way … I think for the time being she won’t want to jeopardize her shelter there … she is playing the “victim-to-be” and Kaname the bad guy Razz Although I’m pretty curious to see how Yagari will “salute” her hahaha.

    Ok I'm done for now with my crazy thoughts, I shall open an umbrella to dodge tomatoes shower xD

    rofl … welcome to the club! This is the most intriguing part though of VK … leaves so much space for theories till are proven wrong lol. Until then … lets have fun! cheers cheers cheers





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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by SassyKnight on Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:20 am

    I have a theory about Sara's parents...Perhaps Kaname killed them for more power to protect Yuki? It's difficult for PB's to commit suicide...And there would be a reasonable explanation for why Kaname could have done it...Power...Or just for the sake of Yuki's protection...
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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by mariangie on Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:22 am

    SassyKnight wrote:I have a theory about Sara's parents...Perhaps Kaname killed them for more power to protect Yuki? It's difficult for PB's to commit suicide...And there would be a reasonable explanation for why Kaname could have done it...Power...Or just for the sake of Yuki's protection...

    This is almost impossible .

    Sara is older than the present physical body of Kaname . She was a full adult( at least 25 vampire years or 50 human years or more ) at the time Kaname and Takuma were around 13 to 14 vampire years old or around 26 to 28 human years old . Also the story suggest Sara's parents died when she was either a baby or a young child . This suggests Kaname had to kill her parents when he was a little kid . When he had not regaing his full powers nor even regain his memories . Maybe that happens before he was reawaken from his slumber .

    There is some interesting things about Sara's parents real cause of death . Sara implies she didn't wanted to pass the same as Haruka and Juuri . Maybe the version she got for her parents death was they suicide themselves due to boredoon as the Kurans' . Leaving a small child behind . But there is a possibility of they being killed . Could be Rido's doing . Or the Vampire Senate intervention . Or even both .

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    Sara made a brillant Chess Game play . She got both Yuuki and Zero to do her bidding without neither noticing .

    She was smart enough . Has the way to read people's characters good enough to kind of predict how they were to act . Got a wonderful informant at ther side who knows about Kaname: Takuma . Sara has the best espionage web ( with all and spider agents ) in the story . And the ability to be present at the most uncorfortable moments between Zero and Yuuki . So she got enough information about how to deal with Zero and Yuuki.

    Probably the important issue here is Sara discovered Yuuki was the pureblood who offered blood to Zero in the past . The " pureblood master who discarted her puppy hunter " to his own resources . Who has feelings for a certain vampire / vampire hunter . That Yuuki and Zero had a past history behind . Noticing Zero is in love with Yuuki . Even as he said to hate all purebloods .

    Basically Sara got Yuuki to promise her to protect her from Kaname if she continues to be at the Cross Academy . Gave Zero information about Kaname being responsable of Zero's family and his own tragedy . She brought to Zero a reason for revenge . But as she knew Zero is stubborn enough . She got reinforcements from Yuuki . Yuuki needs to go to stop Kaname . For this she could not protect Sara more . So Yuuki told Zero to protect Sara for her sake . Now Zero thinks he would help Sara not only for her offer to help him with his revenge . But because Yuuki ask him to do . Effectively falling in Sara's trap .

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    In a related thing :

    Why Zero had not chosen to kill Kaname before ?

    1- The most obvious answer is easy : this will hurt Yuuki the most .
    For whatever information Zero has . Kaname is Yuuki's brother and her present fiance . the guy he had taste in Yuuki's blood in the past she loves the most . Even if he knows Kaname is the worst criminal in the world . If he has not a strong and valid reason for killing him . Zero knows Yuuki will not forgive him .

    2- The Vampire Hunter's association forbids him to do so .
    Yagari and the rest of the hunters ( except for Cross ) had declared to let Kaname alone . Actually is in the best interest of the hunters to make Kaname do their dirty work of eliminating all purebloods . Then see if they had to kill Kaname instead afterwards or not . The story had told Zero is against this order .

    Sara's actions allows Zero to disobey the hunters instructions as he could argue he killed Kaname to protect an " innocent " . Remember Sara is presenting to the hunters as this weak pureblood girl who is afraid of the " big bad wolf " . ( Yes , Kaname the wolfie . )

    Also as Sara told Zero ( and Yuuki at the same time as she suspected Zero would tell Yuuki later ) than Kaname was the bad guy responsable of destroying Zero's family and the intellectual mastermind of committing the sin of turning an unwilling human into a vampire. Zero could justify before Yuuki him killing Kaname for revenge of his loved ones .
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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by Knightmare on Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:52 am

    mariangie wrote:

    Sara made a brillant Chess Game play . She got both Yuuki and Zero to do her bidding without neither noticing .

    She was smart enough . Has the way to read people's characters good enough to kind of predict how they were to act . Got a wonderful informant at ther side who knows about Kaname: Takuma . Sara has the best espionage web ( with all and spider agents ) in the story . And the ability to be present at the most uncorfortable moments between Zero and Yuuki . So she got enough information about how to deal with Zero and Yuuki.

    she hasn't done anything clever at all. kaname was the one who set her up. if kaname hasn't gona after her (and then let her be), she wouldn't be able to ask to go to the ha for more protection. and kaname was the one who confirmed her lie for zero's "revenge" as well as sending the warning he was going after her in the first place, putting sara in "danger".

    and yuuki used protecting sara as an excuse to confine sara and sara is still confined if she goes to the ha.

    besides yuuki and zero both know what kind of person sara is. they don't trust her even if they are not prepared to kill her, especially yuuki who wants to protect lives. yuuki also has the witness to her attack on hanadagi, so yuuki knows that sara is not innocent.
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    Post by KuranPrince on Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:53 am

    Knightmare wrote:
    mariangie wrote:

    Sara made a brillant Chess Game play . She got both Yuuki and Zero to do her bidding without neither noticing .

    She was smart enough . Has the way to read people's characters good enough to kind of predict how they were to act . Got a wonderful informant at ther side who knows about Kaname: Takuma . Sara has the best espionage web ( with all and spider agents ) in the story . And the ability to be present at the most uncorfortable moments between Zero and Yuuki . So she got enough information about how to deal with Zero and Yuuki.

    she hasn't done anything clever at all. kaname was the one who set her up. if kaname hasn't gona after her (and then let her be), she wouldn't be able to ask to go to the ha for more protection. and kaname was the one who confirmed her lie for zero's "revenge" as well as sending the warning he was going after her in the first place, putting sara in "danger".

    and yuuki used protecting sara as an excuse to confine sara and sara is still confined if she goes to the ha.

    besides yuuki and zero both know what kind of person sara is. they don't trust her even if they are not prepared to kill her, especially yuuki who wants to protect lives. yuuki also has the witness to her attack on hanadagi, so yuuki knows that sara is not innocent.


    I'm not sure if we're reading the same manga... but why the heck do you think Kaname is setting up Sara? Sara is using her dirty tricks to get what she exactly wants in order to become queen. What she had done was a clever idea by using the Night Class after taking the tainted blood tablets (added with her own blood) to do her own bidding. Sara wants to become queen... Kaname is trying to do whatever it takes.

    Yuuki doesn't trust Sara at all... especially what she had done to the hunter, her former fiance Ouri, devouring the heart of the head member of the Hanadagi clan, and imprisoning Hanadagi's guard as well as imprisoning the head of pharmaceuticals.

    Zero may not trust Sara, but believes in her deception to vow his vengeance against Kaname.
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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by Knightmare on Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:58 am

    KuranPrince wrote:
    I'm not sure if we're reading the same manga... but why the heck do you think Kaname is setting up Sara? Sara is using her dirty tricks to get what she exactly wants in order to become queen. What she had done was a clever idea by using the Night Class after taking the tainted blood tablets (added with her own blood) to do her own bidding. Sara wants to become queen... Kaname is trying to do whatever it takes.
    kaname wanted to be blamed for the murders that sara did. kaname wanted her to keep eating purebloods. kaname confirmed the story sara told zero. kaname chose not to go after Sara when nagamichi aidou said he was troubled by her, but he promised he would do something about her.

    kaname gave yuuki a warning that he would go after sara next, prompting sara to ask for yuuki's protection. so everything that sara has done so far either works well for kaname or he doesn't care about it.

    kaname wants to look like the bad guy and not sara. and sara's doing everything to help that

    and did Sara tell any lies to Zero? we only know that she told him that kaname was the one who let Shizuka out. kaname was the one who made up the reasons why. so if zero wants to take vengeance on kaname, which he didn't actually say he did, then its kaname who is helping him on that path more than sara
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    Post by KuranPrince on Sat Mar 03, 2012 4:21 pm

    Knightmare wrote:kaname wanted to be blamed for the murders that sara did. kaname wanted her to keep eating purebloods. kaname confirmed the story sara told zero. kaname chose not to go after Sara when nagamichi aidou said he was troubled by her, but he promised he would do something about her.

    kaname gave yuuki a warning that he would go after sara next, prompting sara to ask for yuuki's protection. so everything that sara has done so far either works well for kaname or he doesn't care about it.

    kaname wants to look like the bad guy and not sara. and sara's doing everything to help that

    and did Sara tell any lies to Zero? we only know that she told him that kaname was the one who let Shizuka out. kaname was the one who made up the reasons why. so if zero wants to take vengeance on kaname, which he didn't actually say he did, then its kaname who is helping him on that path more than sara


    I assume you wanted Sara to be the hero of the story. I simply don't buy that, Knightmare. Kaname didn't let Sara eat purebloods... he's preventing her from eating more purebloods to gain power in order to become queen. You're ignoring facts of what Sara had done. You didn't even realize the fact that she have imprisoned the pharmaceutical president as well as humans.

    As of right now, Zero is siding with Sara because they both want Kaname dead (to fulfill the hunter's revenge) while Yuuki is siding with her soon-to-be husband Kaname to not only stop him, but to save him from his madness.

    One last thing... about Kaname letting Shizuka out. Do you know the reason why he had freed Shizuka?
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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by Bloodredhead on Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:11 pm

    In regard to Kaname and Sara. As Knightmare pointed out there have been instance's where Kaname has covered Sara(ouri's death) The question is why? To me kaname needs Sara to do something, not sure what it is but it fits into his overall plan and to me the bigger picture. Kaname and Sara's plans seem to co-inside in some aspects, though their reasoning and their goals are completly different. Sara wants to be Queen and seem's to be doing this for power and out of bordom, whereas Kaname has good intentions of making the world a better place (just look at his past really). Kaname's playing on a big board. To me he wants to be seen as the bad guy, he doesnt care about his image being ruined, in a way kanames sacrifcing himself for the masses. He's doing what he believes needs to be done even if its going to taint his hands more and make him unredeemable to some, the thing with being a leader is sometimes you have to make the very tough calls that others can't or wont. I'm not saying kaname's actions of killing is right but from his perspective its something that needs to be done. I guess we just have to wait to learn more really before we make a full judgment. But i do believe Kaname's intentions are good even if his methods are a tad extreme.

    The good thing is though, that others dont fully trust Sara due to them uncovering some of her dark deeds. She is not the little damsel in distress that she makes herself out to be. Some of the characters and us as readers can see that from her previous actions. Aidou, Rima, and Yuuki know about the BT's having sara's blood in them. I'm guessing most the night class after the whole incident are suspious of Sara due to it was her tablets that sent them into a bit of a frenzy. Yuuki heard what hanadagi's guard had to say and thats made Yuuki even more wary of Sara. Even Zero i believe is wary of sara and does not trust her. The thing is how do you catch a spider out of their web? Its not going to be easy as Sara has put herself in a good position really, i think uncovering more of her dirty deeds would be a start and trying to find out more of what she plans on doing.
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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by nina on Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:58 pm

    I was thinking … if Sara will go now at the HA; what about Takuma? Will she take him as well? The reasonable answer is yes. But if so; what about Shiki; and what about Rima?

    I suppose they cannot all of them to be transferred at the HA? hahaha …

    So maybe Shiki’s involvement will perplex the situation since I suppose he won’t leave Takuma’s side. (???) Either way his move to go on Takuma’s side must have a meaning, a contribution on the plot. Could be the time for Shiki to have come?

    Or Sara’s “escaping” from the academy wouldn’t happen under so peaceful conditions?

    And what if Sara will be bound to go at the HA alone with her harem only? If so then it would be easier for Yuuki to help Takuma snap out of Sara’s spell and help her then with the tablets. ??? Just thinking out loud for possibilities lol!





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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by mariangie on Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:55 am

    An idea I got some minutes ago . Mega - speculation.

    What if Sara's intention was to enter the Vampire Hunters' Association to destroy the magical anti - vampire barrier around it ?

    If Hanadagi power involved somehow the creation of magical powers . Could he had the power to break them ? Sara could use that power to destroy the Hunters' Headquarters barriers to allow her vampire army attack the hunters . As these " soldiers " are in reality innocent vampires turned bersek by Sara's tablets . The hunters would have a moral problem to kill so many innocent vampires that aren't on the list . A true confrontation can happen . The chaos Sara wanted to see in a better scenario than Cross Academy .

    The thing is , there is the probability of Sara requiring being not only close enough . But maybe being inside the barrier before trying to break it . She can't enter the Hunter's Headquarters by normal means . Meaning she can't knock the door and ask for entrance . Neither she can allow herself to enter as prisioner . So getting a legal way ; as requiring protection inside the Headquarters to one of the top hunters ; can be the easy way in .
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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by SassyKnight on Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:22 am

    I think Sara is very similar to Shizuka. Sara wants someone by her side (Takuma) But what is her motive? I don't think that her only goal is to become a Queen...

    What might she desire?

    Love? Power? Revenge? It could be a mix of all...
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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by Katherine on Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:34 pm

    mariangie wrote:An idea I got some minutes ago . Mega - speculation.

    What if Sara's intention was to enter the Vampire Hunters' Association to destroy the magical anti - vampire barrier around it ?

    If Hanadagi power involved somehow the creation of magical powers . Could he had the power to break them ? Sara could use that power to destroy the Hunters' Headquarters barriers to allow her vampire army attack the hunters . As these " soldiers " are in reality innocent vampires turned bersek by Sara's tablets . The hunters would have a moral problem to kill so many innocent vampires that aren't on the list . A true confrontation can happen . The chaos Sara wanted to see in a better scenario than Cross Academy .

    The thing is , there is the probability of Sara requiring being not only close enough . But maybe being inside the barrier before trying to break it . She can't enter the Hunter's Headquarters by normal means . Meaning she can't knock the door and ask for entrance . Neither she can allow herself to enter as prisioner . So getting a legal way ; as requiring protection inside the Headquarters to one of the top hunters ; can be the easy way in .

    I read your post yesterday but I couldn´t answe yet:

    I have never thought about something like this but it really makes sense. For vampires hunters are the biggest enemies, well you know that they hate you and that they would kill you if you go berserk. if the association gets to know what sara did she might get a problem...furthermore we don´t know her full plan yet maybe it will be too difficult for her so fulfill it with the hunters ( I mean we still don´t know anything about these abductions yet)
    I never thought about Hanadagi´s power yet...it could be possible. It is too dangerous to attack the hunter association from the outside but from the inside may be different (would be interessting and mysterious)
    I would love to see how the hunters fight against their own morals
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    Re: What does Sara want?

    Post by lililovelilica on Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:48 am

    mariangie wrote:An idea I got some minutes ago . Mega - speculation.

    What if Sara's intention was to enter the Vampire Hunters' Association to destroy the magical anti - vampire barrier around it ?

    If Hanadagi power involved somehow the creation of magical powers . Could he had the power to break them ? Sara could use that power to destroy the Hunters' Headquarters barriers to allow her vampire army attack the hunters . As these " soldiers " are in reality innocent vampires turned bersek by Sara's tablets . The hunters would have a moral problem to kill so many innocent vampires that aren't on the list . A true confrontation can happen . The chaos Sara wanted to see in a better scenario than Cross Academy .

    The thing is , there is the probability of Sara requiring being not only close enough . But maybe being inside the barrier before trying to break it . She can't enter the Hunter's Headquarters by normal means . Meaning she can't knock the door and ask for entrance . Neither she can allow herself to enter as prisioner . So getting a legal way ; as requiring protection inside the Headquarters to one of the top hunters ; can be the easy way in .
    I think i understand your point,and it's very possible if Sara gets inside the assossiation,then no one would be able to attack her,not even Kaname.
    But Zero doesn't like her,even the Hunters would be against protecting a vampire.
    Sara have more enemies than friends...it's actually funny the way she bites the girls to get to her side^^
    But that should end,and i think the time to her death is "close".
    The one Killing her should be Zero or Kaname.
    I preffer Zero killing Sara.
    Kaname should stay alive...I'm a Yume anyway. geek

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