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    Post by witlessfool on Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:29 pm

    Same disclaimer as always: English translation of Chinese translation of Japanese is less accurate than direct English translation from Japanese. So take what I've done with a grain of salt. But the general gist is there. I've found that my translation is getting better the more I do so this did come out a low smoother than my previous translation projects. Brackets contains my interpretations of the dodgy areas.

    Thanks to pkdesigner for the link to the raws.

    
    Cover page:
    Finally arriving at the forefront...
    (Can be interpreted as “it’s finally here” or something like that)

    Page One:
    Yuuki prepares to bite, withdraws, Zero looks at her. “Want to give up?”

    Page Two:
    Yuuki looks at Zero. “No, it’s not that.”
    “I only want to take a good look at the face of the one I’m taking blood from, future president of the association.”
    “...I’m not biting Zero simply because he invited me to. Like Zero said, this terrible cause – eh...” (the word is definitely "cause" but I feel like it should be "this terrible thirst" *shrug* ah well)

    Page Three:
    Still Yuuki, “Please help me... I really want Zero’s blood now. I... I’ve always suppressed my thirst.”
    “Only need a little bit... Because, if it’s enough to satisfy, then I can definitely work hard to become pureblood Kaname’s... .”
    To return to the past is no longer allowed...
    Zero stares. “Ah... If it’s not like that, then I would be interfering...”
    I can no longer restrain myself –

    Page Four:
    Yuuki, “Zero is so calm, yet I’m so very nervous.”
    “Just for now, can Zero please don’t think about anything...”
    Zero, “It doesn’t matter. There’s nothing inside my heart that, if you peeped, would interfere...”

    Page Five:
    Zero, “Your matter... I don’t think about it any longer...”
    “It’s only, occasionally, when your fragment inside me awakens... that thoughts of you would appear...”

    Page Six:
    I don’t think about it anymore. Only occasionally, when your fragment inside me awakens...
    Real life Yuuki stares at the Yuuki inside Zero’s mind, who’s sitting on the tree root over a cemetery yard with a black wolf behind her.
    The Yuuki in Zero’s mind says, “It’s okay, don’t worry.”

    Page Seven:
    The Yuuki in Zero’s mind, “The thing Zero’s most afraid of, is now sleeping deeply inside...”
    Real life Yuuki turns around to find Zero/Ichiru (hard to tell) behind her. He says, “There, protecting the coffin, is only a memory.”

    Page Eight:
    Real-life Zero, with Yuuki drinking from him, “Hey, don’t peep inside me.”
    Yuuki withdraws.

    Page Nine:
    Yuuki, “I didn’t look at anything...” (Interpreted as I didn’t look at anything in particular/I didn’t specifically snoop for that etc.)
    “It’s nothing,” Yuuki wipes her mouth. “Unlike a certain peeping someone from before...”
    On a certain level...
    There’s an impression of the black wolf...

    “Huh?”
    “Ah...” Zero mutters, clutching at his throat.
    “Ah, it’s not like that,” Yuuki, panicking. “I didn’t mean it that way. Zero is...”
    “Still... Zero...”
    Hunger and thirst...
    How is it...?

    Yuuki clenches her hand.

    Page Ten:
    Yuuki, “Sorry, I should apologize... Thank you...”
    The moment I bit into Zero’s neck, my mind suddenly calmed down and my fangs extended for someone I had absolute no intention of drinking from
    I, in accordance with the agreement,


    Page Eleven:
    To not respond to Zero’s actions is impossible –
    Sara – in her shiny new uniform – joining the Night Class
    Yuuki at the door

    Page Twelve:
    Shiki, “Hey, are you being serious when you say that?”
    Hanabusa, “I’ve always been very serious!”
    Continuing, “Even if we’re surrounded by the association, it’s still the same. As our purebloods and monarchs’ subordinate, let me spy around, okay.”
    Shiki, stone-faced, “So basically, you want us to take over and assist our temporary dorm president?”
    Hanabusa, flushing, “Yes, the current situation is highly damaging to what we hope to achieve.”
    Shiki, “Although we really do need those information, Aidou-kun...”

    Page Thirteen:
    Shiki, continued, “Didn’t you once say Kaname-sama gave you the role of temporary dorm president? And are you sure it’s okay for you to leave her side?”
    Hanabusa, looking grave, “That... well...”
    Hanabusa, looking away, “That’s not a problem.”
    “At her side, there’s an anti-pureblood hunter to keep an eye on things.”

    Page Fourteen:
    Yuuki, as she walks past Zero, “Zero, these days, are there any Day Class students sneaking out at night time?”
    Zero, “I’m looking into it now.”
    Two night class girls can be spotted.

    Page Fifteen:
    Yuuki pats Zero on the back, “I’ll leave it to you then.”

    Page Sixteen:
    Yuuki, hides behind the wall. “Ah, I didn’t act too unnatural, did I?”
    To converse in an extremely simple manner?
    Doesn’t matter. As long as I can start afresh with Zero...

    Yuuki sinks to the floor. *pause* “Ah... must quickly get to the classroom.”

    Page Seventeen:
    Zero, “Alright already, hurry up and get back to your dorms. Go!”
    Kaien, “Thanks for the hard work, Zero-kun.”
    Zero, “Chairman Kaien, Kaito.”
    Kaien, “I can see a little bit of the old Yuuki. And you always obediently making yourself useful. That, above all else, makes me happy.”
    Zero, “That rascal shares the same aspiration as yours. Now she’s at the school desperately trying her hardest. It’s because of that request, that I’m doing what things that cannot be avoided.”

    Page Eighteen:
    Kaien, “There’s no point in arguing... But you.”
    “Back then, there was nothing that could stop you. You only ever wanted to rush forward to kill Kaname-kun, using the dangerous risk he posed as an excuse.”
    “Yet now, to suddenly change and become obedient, it’s really worrying.”
    Zero thought about it, then smiled.

    Page Nineteen:
    Zero, “Kaname Kuran, hasn’t he already decided to kill off the pureblood race?”
    “If that’s the case, in my opinion, there’s no reason for me to rush forward to stop him.”
    Kaien looked at him. “... Those words, I’ll pretend I didn’t hear them.”

    Page Twenty:
    Kaien, “As the chairman of peace agreement, I cannot ignore Kaname-kun’s recent behaviour.”
    “It’s also because of Yuuki...”
    On the staircase, Rima, “We’re late.”
    Shiki, “Yeah, well, that’s only because Aidou wouldn’t stop talking.”
    They open the door and pause.

    Page Twenty-One:
    Yuuki kneeling on the floor. Sara glowing in her chair. (The sound-effect next to the pen on the floor is “general mumbling”)
    The board has two sheets. One says “Ichijou-senpai,” with the word “resigning” after it. On the column next to it has “Sara” The word you see repeated three times is the Chinese way of keeping tally (it’s a word with five strokes, so it’s scores of five). So it looks like Sara has seventeen votes and on the sheet next to it, you can see Yuuki has only one vote.
    Rima, shocked, “Why are you looking so utterly defeated?”
    Yuuki slowly turns around, “Because of the gap in charisma, Sara-san became Dorm President.”

    Page Twenty-Two:
    Sara, glowing, “But the actual duties, I want to relinquish over to Yuuki-san. For me, the responsibility is too major.”
    Yuuki, “Ah... okay.”
    Rima, shocked, “Ah, to be forced to accept the job.”
    Ichijou looks really ... off. “...”
    Shiki, “? Ichijou-senpai?” Then, he noticed something and turned to his right.
    “Ah!” Maria at the window.

    Page Twenty-Three:
    Maria, “Zero-kun.”
    Teacher, “Okay, everyone. Can we please start the lesson?”
    Rima, “Suddenly, I have an uneasy feeling about what’s to come.”
    Shiki, “Yeah...”
    Sara, “Oh, everyone, let’s not trouble the teacher any longer. Let’s return to our seats.”
    Yuuki, “Ichijou-senpai, regarding yesterday’s discussion, can we continue discussing it a bit later?”
    Ichijou, “Ah, is this the issue regarding the new blood tablets?”

    Page Twenty-Four
    Ichijou, smiling, “Sorry, that was my mistake. There’s no problem.”
    Yuuki, Shiki, Rima. “Ichijou-senpai...?”
    Elsewhere.
    Ruka, “This must be -sama’s house... They’re really cautious about the whereabouts of the pureblood’s residence.”
    (Sorry, I can't be bothered guess what the pureblood's name was. Chinese translation uses the same character as the Japanese kanji but the pronunciation is bound to be different. So even if I did guess, it's bound to be wrong. I'm going to leave this to the Japanese experts once the originial raws are out.)

    Page Twenty-Five:
    Akatsuki spots something, “You better stay here and do the task you were assigned to do. I’m going to go over there and see what those strange people are doing.”

    Page Twenty-Six:
    Akatsuki dashes over, sees this queue of people getting bottles of the new blood tablets. “What... is this...?”
    “Ruka.” Kaname arrives. “Today’s all thanks to you doing all this difficult work. I must really thank you.”

    Page Twenty-Seven:
    Ruka, looking rather withdrawn. “Although here’s quite far away from the road, but it’s still fairly close to where the humans are living.”
    “Okay, I’ll go and do my best to lead them away.”
    Kaien arrives with a sword. “I was just thinking you were probably going to arrive here, Kaname-kun.”

    Page Twenty-Eight
    Kaname, “Chairman Kaien... are you here as the chairman of the peace agreement association?”
    Kaien, “Also as Yuuki’s adoptive father. I’m here to inform you that I’ve already decided I will not be returning Yuuki to you.”
    Kaname looks down, “Yuuki is already walking her own path and living by her own decisions... Chairman Kaien.”

    Page Twenty-Nine:
    Kaname, continues, “I no longer have the means to bind her to me. Therefore”
    “For you to take Yuuki away from my side like this, I am very grateful.”
    Kaien, draws out sword. “Is that because, in your goal to eliminate the pureblood race, Yuuki is your Achilles’ Heel?” (The literal translation is “will she be your stumbling block” as in she may cause you to stumble, as in she’ll prevent you from achieving your goal. But I think Achilles’ Heel says pretty much the same thing...)

    Page Thirty:
    Kaname, “That’s right.”
    “If you are to stop me, then you would be eliminated too.”

    Kaname vs Cross (last 2 are actually kanji characters and not Chinese so I don't know what it says, sorry!)

    FINISH!
    

    Also, Hino-sensei appears to be taking a break T_T So two months till the next chapter comes out.

    Hope you guys enjoy this! cheers

    Witless Fool king

    My thoughts: In Zero's head, the cemetery represents the thing he's most afraid of - sinking down the Level E. The fragments of Yuuki and Kaname that he consumed is keeping it at bay (represented by the tree). So that's why they're watching over/guarding the coffin. (Somebody suggested it could also be Shizuka) I think it's sad, for Zero at least, how even the fragment of Yuuki he consumed has Kaname next to her, watching over her. It's almost as if he can never get a piece of Yuuki just for himself if you know what I mean. (That's just my impression of the scene).


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    Re: Vampire Knight Chapter 74 Translation

    Post by witlessfool on Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:32 pm

    *Edit: face. I'm sorry. It's meant to read "I like to take a good look at the face of the one I'm taking blood from." Embarassed

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    Post by Anneliezz on Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:42 pm

    thank you so much !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Re: Vampire Knight Chapter 74 Translation

    Post by juliet on Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:49 pm



    that was very enlighting, thanks again for all the time and the hard work...






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    Post by sari15 on Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:52 pm

    Thank you so much. Very interesting!

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    Post by loveiszero on Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:54 pm

    Thank you so much for the quick translation.

    Zero drank Kaname's blood so its understandable that hes there.

    Regarding Zero's deepest fear, is it really falling into level E? He strikes me as someone who do not give a damn about his eventual downfall. But what else could he be afraid of? His locked away feeling for Yuuki or something else entirely? This could give way for a twist later.

    And damn , look at what Yuuki says before she bites, it is way more revealing than the bite itself. Either way, I feel sad for Zero.


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    Post by Howl4fun on Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:56 pm

    Yuuki's words are definetely not platonic, heh Razz Thank you !!!!!!

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    Post by Bloodredhead on Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:06 pm

    thankyou witlessfool for the translation, very enlightening!

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    Post by witlessfool on Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:09 pm

    You're all very welcome Smile

    btw, somebody mentioned on LJ and it seems very plausible that in Zero's mind, the person who said "the one guarding the coffin is only a memory" may not be Zero but Ichiru. So I could be wrong. Sorry, they looks so similar (well, they are identical twins) and there's no name-tags Embarassed

    They also mentioned that the tree may be Shizuka - so I could be completely wrong there too. Embarassed But that was just my initial reaction to this chapter. Maybe after some discussion, we could figure out what Hino-sensei is trying to tell us...

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    Re: Vampire Knight Chapter 74 Translation

    Post by nina on Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:11 pm

    Thank you witlessfool !!!! You’re a real gem!!!! sLo_BigBearHug


    “Only need a little bit... Because, if it’s enough to satisfy, then I can definitely work hard to become pureblood Kaname’s... .”

    bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce
    The context of their conversation coincides with what I know too from some comments!!!!!

    witlessfool wrote: In Zero's head, the cemetery represents the thing he's most afraid of - sinking down the Level E. The fragments of Yuuki and Kaname that he consumed is keeping it at bay (represented by the tree). So that's why they're watching over/guarding the coffin. I think it's sad, for Zero at least, how even the fragment of Yuuki he consumed has Kaname next to her, watching over her. It's almost as if he can never get a piece of Yuuki just for himself if you know what I mean.

    I second that!

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    Post by VampireCythia on Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:14 pm

    I don´t think Zero´s fear is to falling to Level E but something else i just don´t what...

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    Post by nina on Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:19 pm

    VampireCythia wrote: I don´t think Zero´s fear is to falling to Level E but something else i just don´t what...

    No! you took it wrong ... If the coffin symbolizes his level-e then is a good thing cuz it means is buried and he's no longer running any danger to fall ... at least this is my take. Very Happy





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    Post by sari15 on Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:20 pm

    loveiszero wrote:Thank you so much for the quick translation.

    Zero drank Kaname's blood so its understandable that hes there.

    Regarding Zero's deepest fear, is it really falling into level E? He strikes me as someone who do not give a damn about his eventual downfall. But what else could he be afraid of? His locked away feeling for Yuuki or something else entirely? This could give way for a twist later.

    And damn , look at what Yuuki says before she bites, it is way more revealing than the bite itself. Either way, I feel sad for Zero.
    Of course Zero would care about his eventual downfall. Not because it would mean he would need to be killed, that isn't the part that would bother him. It's that he would hurt others in the process. He's someone who wants to protect others...to be the one innocents need protected from would kill him. But yeah. With Shizuka being the tree to hold down the casket the most, I think it's part of the Level E, but I wonder if everything else is locked in there too. Imagine opening THAT if it was @_@

    Anyway. The lines right before the bite are confusing. On one hand it sounds like she's admitting to him she specifically needs his blood but on the other it sounds like she's only using him so she can go after Kaname. He also told her he doesn't think about her at all anymore unless her 'fragment' pops up.

    Translation of translation...this is why it's nice to have more than one version or translation.

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    Re: Vampire Knight Chapter 74 Translation

    Post by Anneliezz on Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:21 pm

    witlessfool wrote:You're all very welcome Smile

    btw, somebody mentioned on LJ and it seems very plausible that in Zero's mind, the person who said "the one guarding the coffin is only a memory" may not be Zero but Ichiru. So I could be wrong. Sorry, they looks so similar (well, they are identical twins) and there's no name-tags Embarassed

    They also mentioned that te tree may be Shizuka - so I could be completely wrong there too. Embarassed But that was just my initial reaction to this chapter. Maybe after some discussion, we could figure out what Hino-sensei is trying to tell us...
    I agree, I've posted the same (with a little help of sari15) in an other topic
    I'll post it again here (since witlessfool asked us to continue it here xD)
    juliet wrote:
    Anneliezz wrote:
    juliet wrote:

    I am very curious about that, me too!!! what does that coffin symbolizes? and why is Kaname (!!!) with Yuuki guarding it? because if this is about Zero then what is Kaname's wolf doing there? I hope perhaps the translation can shed some light.
    Indeed like said before it's Ichiru
    I think the people appearing in the halliucination are the people that Zero drank from. While Yuuki's drinking his blood, she sees his memories. Kinda like when Zero said he could taste what Yuuki was feeling at times. And if I remember correctly, the time when Yuuki drank Kanames blood, didn't she see Shizuka?
    -So he drank Yuuki's blood, mostly of the human Yuuki
    -He drank from Ichiru, perhaps he's most strongly there (because he seems to be talking more)because of the whole becoming-one thing, and it is also said that Ichiru now lives on inside Zero
    -Zero did drink from kaname too, but not that much/frequently, so that might be why Kaname is there only in the doggy form.
    -I know Shizuka is not there, but he never drank from her directly, so maybe that's why she's not there
    - The tombstones are the victims he made as vampire hunter? or his family, (but there a little to much stones for that I think)?

    ---------> still only guessing though xD

    Ah, and not to forget, the zeki in me is soo happy xD, one drawing there mouths are really close xD

    Μ..good explanation there, is reasonable but what about the coffin? is it random that is wrapped in vines? is not safe to be opened then? who is there? or what could it be?
    About that, Ihave no idea xD That remains a mystery. Althought, maybe it's the human part of zero? Since the coffin seems so big ergo very present in his mind? That might be a bit far fetched (? correct english?) though :p

    @ sari15: indeed, didn't think about that, it might be shizuka.
    Ah that would back up my theory about the coffin. Shizuka is who took zero's human part away.
    for the purpose of discussing it further
    -nina added that inside the coffin might be zero's level-E side
    - sari15 added this
    sari15 wrote: think it's the part of Zero he's locked over the years. Especially the past year. His feelings for Yuuki. His memories. Everything he's tried to forget and move past during the course of his life. What's in there is just Zero. The anti-vampire vines are protecting him from any vampire using or taking his feelings/emotions and past and using it. Everything is all piled up on each other. It's a giant roadblock that in order to access any of it, all needs removed.

    It's literally himself protecting himself and locking up his heart. That's what I think.

    Sorry if it is annoying to read the same post, I just thought it might be easier discussing it further without repeating the same stuff .

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    Re: Vampire Knight Chapter 74 Translation

    Post by juliet on Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:28 pm

    The Yuuki in Zero’s mind, “The thing Zero’s most afraid of, is now sleeping deeply inside...”

    Ι do think that it totally fits that to be Zero's inner fear ( a beast- a level e that is dangerous) thus the vines wrapped around it and Yuuki (in her previous form due to the fact that it was then that Zero was feeding from her and Kaname as a more transparent form there). I am not sure about the tree (can also symbolize Shizuka) since she was the initial cause of the level-e and the coffin just rest next to it. So wistlefool I think that your opinion makes perfect sense there as a possibilty.

    Now about Yuuki's biting there are certain spots at the translation that I do not understand..

    Zero, “That rascal shares the same aspiration as yours. Now she’s at the school desperately trying her hardest. It’s because of that request, that I’m doing what things that cannot be avoided.”

    Is Zero here referring to the biting? or is it unrelated and speaks in general??? confused...

    also the word in italics should be the inner thoughts right? but Yuuki seems really not to discover any sort of strong feelings for her inside Zero, even though of course the biting calms her hunger.

    So was the biting scene there to indicate to us Zero's fears but also condition (level-e condition is now supressed) and also to resolve the old dispute among the two? like a conciliation between them? It seems too subtle and thoughts unrelated after it. Still I might be missing some things since the translation is new.

    @Anneliez thanks for summing up the points...



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    Re: Vampire Knight Chapter 74 Translation

    Post by witlessfool on Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:28 pm

    @Anneliezz

    Thanks for taking the trouble to transfer things over. Lol, I made that comment on the other thread mainly because I thought people would be too busy discussing things to notice a new topic thread. So it was sort of a notification thing.

    But yeah, sari15's theory is also very interesting. My first reaction was "woah, that's a lot of tombstones underneath that tree." Could they all be related to him falling down to Level E. Or could some of them, as you suggested, be other stuff that he wanted to ignore so he's just dumping them there.

    >< 2 months. I don't know how I can wait that long. bounce

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    Re: Vampire Knight Chapter 74 Translation

    Post by juliet on Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:32 pm

    Anyway. The lines right before the bite are confusing. On one hand it sounds like she's admitting to him she specifically needs his blood but on the other it sounds like she's only using him so she can go after Kaname. He also told her he doesn't think about her at all anymore unless her 'fragment' pops up.


    yes I am confused too... Shocked






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    Re: Vampire Knight Chapter 74 Translation

    Post by Anneliezz on Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:32 pm

    witlessfool wrote:@Anneliezz

    Thanks for taking the trouble to transfer things over. Lol, I made that comment on the other thread mainly because I thought people would be too busy discussing things to notice a new topic thread. So it was sort of a notification thing.

    But yeah, sari15's theory is also very interesting. My first reaction was "woah, that's a lot of tombstones underneath that tree." Could they all be related to him falling down to Level E. Or could some of them, as you suggested, be other stuff that he wanted to ignore so he's just dumping them there.

    >< 2 months. I don't know how I can wait that long. bounce
    No problem, it would be indeed annoying to have two diffrent discussions on the same chapter xD
    Indeed, I'll be dying if I have to wait 2 months...
    @juliet: you're welcome x) indeed confusing, but I think Zero is kinda lying about that


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    Re: Vampire Knight Chapter 74 Translation

    Post by witlessfool on Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:36 pm

    Lol, I think there's bound to be issues with the translation when the translator herself is confused. I reread that bit (about her wanting Zero to be better for Kaname) several times, consulted several dictionaries and nope, it still didn't make sense.

    Maybe it'll make more sense in Japanese? confused

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    Re: Vampire Knight Chapter 74 Translation

    Post by juliet on Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:40 pm

    witlessfool wrote:Lol, I think there's bound to be issues with the translation when the translator herself is confused. I reread that bit (about her wanting Zero to be better for Kaname) several times, consulted several dictionaries and nope, it still didn't make sense.

    Maybe it'll make more sense in Japanese? confused

    Αh good..I see we are all in confusion, I do hope that the japanese will make more sense either wise to send Yuuki to a good psychologist, LOL>.... rofl rofl rofl rofl

    ah thanks for all the effort by the way..






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    Re: Vampire Knight Chapter 74 Translation

    Post by sari15 on Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:44 pm

    juliet wrote:
    also the word in italics should be the inner thoughts right? but Yuuki seems really not to discover any sort of strong feelings for her inside Zero, even though of course the biting calms her hunger.

    So was the biting scene there to indicate to us Zero's fears but also condition (level-e condition is now supressed) and also to resolve the old dispute among the two? like a conciliation between them? It seems too subtle and thoughts unrelated after it. Still I might be missing some things since the translation is new.

    @Anneliez thanks for summing up the points...

    Which is sort of why I tend to think it could be his feelings locked up. (or his level E...or his feelings...or...level E...ACK why another mystery, Hino?)
    Anyway, fact is Yuuki could not tell any of Zero's feelings, memories etc when biting because she got kicked out by Zero. The bite was not meant to be a deep one, but like Yuuki said, the biting calmed her hunger and it was impossible to stop her fangs from going further--which indicates wanting more I would think. She also told him not to think about anything during it so she wouldn't see anything.

    It was a carefully done bite on both sides to protect themselves.

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    Re: Vampire Knight Chapter 74 Translation

    Post by loveiszero on Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:45 pm

    juliet wrote:
    Anyway. The lines right before the bite are confusing. On one hand it sounds like she's admitting to him she specifically needs his blood but on the other it sounds like she's only using him so she can go after Kaname. He also told her he doesn't think about her at all anymore unless her 'fragment' pops up.


    yes I am confused too... Shocked

    I'm also very confused.

    Yuuki, “Please help me... I really want Zero’s blood now. I... I’ve always suppressed my thirst.”
    “Only need a little bit... Because, if it’s enough to satisfy, then I can definitely work hard to become pureblood Kaname’s... .”

    Ok, so far she hasn't been fully satisfied on Kaname's blood alone. So now if Zero blood satisfies her = she doesnt need Zero and wants to devote herself to Kaname? It just doesn't make sense logically, probably just lost in double translation.

    I don't want to think Yuuki is using Zero, given her character, it's probably not her intention.

    Btw, noob question: in vampire world, are thirst and hunger the same thing?

    Does anyone knows when we'll have raw in japanese?

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    Re: Vampire Knight Chapter 74 Translation

    Post by juliet on Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:50 pm

    sari15 wrote:
    juliet wrote:
    also the word in italics should be the inner thoughts right? but Yuuki seems really not to discover any sort of strong feelings for her inside Zero, even though of course the biting calms her hunger.

    So was the biting scene there to indicate to us Zero's fears but also condition (level-e condition is now supressed) and also to resolve the old dispute among the two? like a conciliation between them? It seems too subtle and thoughts unrelated after it. Still I might be missing some things since the translation is new.

    @Anneliez thanks for summing up the points...

    Which is sort of why I tend to think it could be his feelings locked up. (or his level E...or his feelings...or...level E...ACK why another mystery, Hino?)
    Anyway, fact is Yuuki could not tell any of Zero's feelings, memories etc when biting because she got kicked out by Zero. The bite was not meant to be a deep one, but like Yuuki said, the biting calmed her hunger and it was impossible to stop her fangs from going further--which indicates wanting more I would think. She also told him not to think about anything during it so she wouldn't see anything.

    It was a carefully done bite on both sides to protect themselves.

    Mmm...but human Yuuki says that this is his deepest fear.. his feelings? he is afraid of his feelings but how can you lock your feelings if someones sees (here bites) through you? I am not in a position to prove eitherwise it's just that the level-e issue which is supressed (burried) yet lives inside Zero and is guarded by Yuuki's and Kaname's blood, ties more (to me) as a theory.






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    Re: Vampire Knight Chapter 74 Translation

    Post by witlessfool on Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:56 pm

    loveiszero wrote:Yuuki, “Please help me... I really want Zero’s blood now. I... I’ve always suppressed my thirst.”
    “Only need a little bit... Because, if it’s enough to satisfy, then I can definitely work hard to become pureblood Kaname’s... .”

    Ok, so far she hasn't been fully satisfied on Kaname's blood alone. So now if Zero blood satisfies her = she doesnt need Zero and wants to devote herself to Kaname? It just doesn't make sense logically, probably just lost in double translation.

    I definitely think it's a case of lost in double translation. That sentence just did not make sense at all.

    loveiszero wrote: Btw, noob question: in vampire world, are thirst and hunger the same thing?

    Uhm, interesting question. I'm not sure myself but I went back to have a look. And on the page with the confusing sentence, Yuuki talked about her thirst as "ganke" which is literally "thirst." But on the page about hunger and thirst, the word used there was "ji ke" "ji" is hunger and "ke" is thirst. So there seems to be a distinction between the two (since she only talked about thirst when referring to herself).

    But then again, it could just be a case of what the Chinese translator chose to use on the respective pages and I just picked it up as being different when I did the English translation.

    It's like an intellectually challenging game of "Chinese Whispers" sFun_banghead2

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    Re: Vampire Knight Chapter 74 Translation

    Post by sari15 on Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:03 pm

    juliet wrote:
    yes I am confused too... Shocked


    Add Zero's line at the end and it makes even less sense.
    Still Yuuki, “Please help me... I really want Zero’s blood now. I... I’ve always suppressed my thirst.”
    “Only need a little bit... Because, if it’s enough to satisfy, then I can definitely work hard to become pureblood Kaname’s... .”
    To return to the past is no longer allowed...
    Zero stares. “Ah... If it’s not like that, then I would be interfering...”
    I can no longer restrain myself –


    This part makes me wonder if he knows about her split feelings? Oh gosh this whole section is just so confusing. LOL We will definitely have to wait for the Japanese Raws on these...

    juliet wrote:Mmm...but human Yuuki says that this is his deepest fear.. his feelings? he is afraid of his feelings but how can you lock your feelings if someones sees (here bites) through you? I am not in a position to prove eitherwise it's just that the level-e issue which is supressed (burried) yet lives inside Zero and is guarded by Yuuki's and Kaname's blood, ties more (to me) as a theory.

    I agree that the level e is what is most likely what is locked away. Especially with Shizuka's tree growing OVER it. The casket is literally surrounded by the roots of that sakura tree and on top of it are Kaname and Yuuki helping keep it down.

    But where are Zero's memories, feelings and emotions? Kaname obviously had the ability to hide his memories and such from Yuuki. She only got fractures of things prior to him letting her see. This could be a similar situation with Zero, couldn' t it? He's always been resistant to the normal vampire mind things--maybe he's just refusing her entry? Coupled with the hesitant bite and keeping his mind clear, he kicked her out when she started going deeper.

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