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    Post by witlessfool on Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:29 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    Same disclaimer as always: English translation of Chinese translation of Japanese is less accurate than direct English translation from Japanese. So take what I've done with a grain of salt. But the general gist is there. I've found that my translation is getting better the more I do so this did come out a low smoother than my previous translation projects. Brackets contains my interpretations of the dodgy areas.

    Thanks to pkdesigner for the link to the raws.

    
    Cover page:
    Finally arriving at the forefront...
    (Can be interpreted as “it’s finally here” or something like that)

    Page One:
    Yuuki prepares to bite, withdraws, Zero looks at her. “Want to give up?”

    Page Two:
    Yuuki looks at Zero. “No, it’s not that.”
    “I only want to take a good look at the face of the one I’m taking blood from, future president of the association.”
    “...I’m not biting Zero simply because he invited me to. Like Zero said, this terrible cause – eh...” (the word is definitely "cause" but I feel like it should be "this terrible thirst" *shrug* ah well)

    Page Three:
    Still Yuuki, “Please help me... I really want Zero’s blood now. I... I’ve always suppressed my thirst.”
    “Only need a little bit... Because, if it’s enough to satisfy, then I can definitely work hard to become pureblood Kaname’s... .”
    To return to the past is no longer allowed...
    Zero stares. “Ah... If it’s not like that, then I would be interfering...”
    I can no longer restrain myself –

    Page Four:
    Yuuki, “Zero is so calm, yet I’m so very nervous.”
    “Just for now, can Zero please don’t think about anything...”
    Zero, “It doesn’t matter. There’s nothing inside my heart that, if you peeped, would interfere...”

    Page Five:
    Zero, “Your matter... I don’t think about it any longer...”
    “It’s only, occasionally, when your fragment inside me awakens... that thoughts of you would appear...”

    Page Six:
    I don’t think about it anymore. Only occasionally, when your fragment inside me awakens...
    Real life Yuuki stares at the Yuuki inside Zero’s mind, who’s sitting on the tree root over a cemetery yard with a black wolf behind her.
    The Yuuki in Zero’s mind says, “It’s okay, don’t worry.”

    Page Seven:
    The Yuuki in Zero’s mind, “The thing Zero’s most afraid of, is now sleeping deeply inside...”
    Real life Yuuki turns around to find Zero/Ichiru (hard to tell) behind her. He says, “There, protecting the coffin, is only a memory.”

    Page Eight:
    Real-life Zero, with Yuuki drinking from him, “Hey, don’t peep inside me.”
    Yuuki withdraws.

    Page Nine:
    Yuuki, “I didn’t look at anything...” (Interpreted as I didn’t look at anything in particular/I didn’t specifically snoop for that etc.)
    “It’s nothing,” Yuuki wipes her mouth. “Unlike a certain peeping someone from before...”
    On a certain level...
    There’s an impression of the black wolf...

    “Huh?”
    “Ah...” Zero mutters, clutching at his throat.
    “Ah, it’s not like that,” Yuuki, panicking. “I didn’t mean it that way. Zero is...”
    “Still... Zero...”
    Hunger and thirst...
    How is it...?

    Yuuki clenches her hand.

    Page Ten:
    Yuuki, “Sorry, I should apologize... Thank you...”
    The moment I bit into Zero’s neck, my mind suddenly calmed down and my fangs extended for someone I had absolute no intention of drinking from
    I, in accordance with the agreement,


    Page Eleven:
    To not respond to Zero’s actions is impossible –
    Sara – in her shiny new uniform – joining the Night Class
    Yuuki at the door

    Page Twelve:
    Shiki, “Hey, are you being serious when you say that?”
    Hanabusa, “I’ve always been very serious!”
    Continuing, “Even if we’re surrounded by the association, it’s still the same. As our purebloods and monarchs’ subordinate, let me spy around, okay.”
    Shiki, stone-faced, “So basically, you want us to take over and assist our temporary dorm president?”
    Hanabusa, flushing, “Yes, the current situation is highly damaging to what we hope to achieve.”
    Shiki, “Although we really do need those information, Aidou-kun...”

    Page Thirteen:
    Shiki, continued, “Didn’t you once say Kaname-sama gave you the role of temporary dorm president? And are you sure it’s okay for you to leave her side?”
    Hanabusa, looking grave, “That... well...”
    Hanabusa, looking away, “That’s not a problem.”
    “At her side, there’s an anti-pureblood hunter to keep an eye on things.”

    Page Fourteen:
    Yuuki, as she walks past Zero, “Zero, these days, are there any Day Class students sneaking out at night time?”
    Zero, “I’m looking into it now.”
    Two night class girls can be spotted.

    Page Fifteen:
    Yuuki pats Zero on the back, “I’ll leave it to you then.”

    Page Sixteen:
    Yuuki, hides behind the wall. “Ah, I didn’t act too unnatural, did I?”
    To converse in an extremely simple manner?
    Doesn’t matter. As long as I can start afresh with Zero...

    Yuuki sinks to the floor. *pause* “Ah... must quickly get to the classroom.”

    Page Seventeen:
    Zero, “Alright already, hurry up and get back to your dorms. Go!”
    Kaien, “Thanks for the hard work, Zero-kun.”
    Zero, “Chairman Kaien, Kaito.”
    Kaien, “I can see a little bit of the old Yuuki. And you always obediently making yourself useful. That, above all else, makes me happy.”
    Zero, “That rascal shares the same aspiration as yours. Now she’s at the school desperately trying her hardest. It’s because of that request, that I’m doing what things that cannot be avoided.”

    Page Eighteen:
    Kaien, “There’s no point in arguing... But you.”
    “Back then, there was nothing that could stop you. You only ever wanted to rush forward to kill Kaname-kun, using the dangerous risk he posed as an excuse.”
    “Yet now, to suddenly change and become obedient, it’s really worrying.”
    Zero thought about it, then smiled.

    Page Nineteen:
    Zero, “Kaname Kuran, hasn’t he already decided to kill off the pureblood race?”
    “If that’s the case, in my opinion, there’s no reason for me to rush forward to stop him.”
    Kaien looked at him. “... Those words, I’ll pretend I didn’t hear them.”

    Page Twenty:
    Kaien, “As the chairman of peace agreement, I cannot ignore Kaname-kun’s recent behaviour.”
    “It’s also because of Yuuki...”
    On the staircase, Rima, “We’re late.”
    Shiki, “Yeah, well, that’s only because Aidou wouldn’t stop talking.”
    They open the door and pause.

    Page Twenty-One:
    Yuuki kneeling on the floor. Sara glowing in her chair. (The sound-effect next to the pen on the floor is “general mumbling”)
    The board has two sheets. One says “Ichijou-senpai,” with the word “resigning” after it. On the column next to it has “Sara” The word you see repeated three times is the Chinese way of keeping tally (it’s a word with five strokes, so it’s scores of five). So it looks like Sara has seventeen votes and on the sheet next to it, you can see Yuuki has only one vote.
    Rima, shocked, “Why are you looking so utterly defeated?”
    Yuuki slowly turns around, “Because of the gap in charisma, Sara-san became Dorm President.”

    Page Twenty-Two:
    Sara, glowing, “But the actual duties, I want to relinquish over to Yuuki-san. For me, the responsibility is too major.”
    Yuuki, “Ah... okay.”
    Rima, shocked, “Ah, to be forced to accept the job.”
    Ichijou looks really ... off. “...”
    Shiki, “? Ichijou-senpai?” Then, he noticed something and turned to his right.
    “Ah!” Maria at the window.

    Page Twenty-Three:
    Maria, “Zero-kun.”
    Teacher, “Okay, everyone. Can we please start the lesson?”
    Rima, “Suddenly, I have an uneasy feeling about what’s to come.”
    Shiki, “Yeah...”
    Sara, “Oh, everyone, let’s not trouble the teacher any longer. Let’s return to our seats.”
    Yuuki, “Ichijou-senpai, regarding yesterday’s discussion, can we continue discussing it a bit later?”
    Ichijou, “Ah, is this the issue regarding the new blood tablets?”

    Page Twenty-Four
    Ichijou, smiling, “Sorry, that was my mistake. There’s no problem.”
    Yuuki, Shiki, Rima. “Ichijou-senpai...?”
    Elsewhere.
    Ruka, “This must be -sama’s house... They’re really cautious about the whereabouts of the pureblood’s residence.”
    (Sorry, I can't be bothered guess what the pureblood's name was. Chinese translation uses the same character as the Japanese kanji but the pronunciation is bound to be different. So even if I did guess, it's bound to be wrong. I'm going to leave this to the Japanese experts once the originial raws are out.)

    Page Twenty-Five:
    Akatsuki spots something, “You better stay here and do the task you were assigned to do. I’m going to go over there and see what those strange people are doing.”

    Page Twenty-Six:
    Akatsuki dashes over, sees this queue of people getting bottles of the new blood tablets. “What... is this...?”
    “Ruka.” Kaname arrives. “Today’s all thanks to you doing all this difficult work. I must really thank you.”

    Page Twenty-Seven:
    Ruka, looking rather withdrawn. “Although here’s quite far away from the road, but it’s still fairly close to where the humans are living.”
    “Okay, I’ll go and do my best to lead them away.”
    Kaien arrives with a sword. “I was just thinking you were probably going to arrive here, Kaname-kun.”

    Page Twenty-Eight
    Kaname, “Chairman Kaien... are you here as the chairman of the peace agreement association?”
    Kaien, “Also as Yuuki’s adoptive father. I’m here to inform you that I’ve already decided I will not be returning Yuuki to you.”
    Kaname looks down, “Yuuki is already walking her own path and living by her own decisions... Chairman Kaien.”

    Page Twenty-Nine:
    Kaname, continues, “I no longer have the means to bind her to me. Therefore”
    “For you to take Yuuki away from my side like this, I am very grateful.”
    Kaien, draws out sword. “Is that because, in your goal to eliminate the pureblood race, Yuuki is your Achilles’ Heel?” (The literal translation is “will she be your stumbling block” as in she may cause you to stumble, as in she’ll prevent you from achieving your goal. But I think Achilles’ Heel says pretty much the same thing...)

    Page Thirty:
    Kaname, “That’s right.”
    “If you are to stop me, then you would be eliminated too.”

    Kaname vs Cross (last 2 are actually kanji characters and not Chinese so I don't know what it says, sorry!)

    FINISH!
    

    Also, Hino-sensei appears to be taking a break T_T So two months till the next chapter comes out.

    Hope you guys enjoy this! cheers

    Witless Fool king

    My thoughts: In Zero's head, the cemetery represents the thing he's most afraid of - sinking down the Level E. The fragments of Yuuki and Kaname that he consumed is keeping it at bay (represented by the tree). So that's why they're watching over/guarding the coffin. (Somebody suggested it could also be Shizuka) I think it's sad, for Zero at least, how even the fragment of Yuuki he consumed has Kaname next to her, watching over her. It's almost as if he can never get a piece of Yuuki just for himself if you know what I mean. (That's just my impression of the scene).


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    Re: Vampire Knight Chapter 74 Translation

    Post by juliet on Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:05 pm

    sweetsolace wrote:

    more bites. and after the 57th bite I imagine Zero's neck would be raw and Yuki still haven't searched that feeling. rofl rofl maybe the fans can help search for it.

    or ok, lets narrow it down to 5 bites. After the 5th bite, Zero is half full of blood and Yuki goes, "omg! this is what you feel all this time! I keep drinking your blood and NOW finally NOW I see it, I see your feelings for me after searching for it in your thoughts for so long, and for some reason I also feel the same way which I have not felt the first time before now! I want to marry you now and break up with kaname! Im so dumb to have realize this only after the 5th bite!" LOL rofl


    Oh it's so good that we shall all be victims of Yuuki's slowness... rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl


    um. A baby zombie? rofl rofl it moves with baby steps and hides in coffins rofl
    rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl Νο, it's Zeki...buhaha but I guess you knew it... sFun_tease2

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    Re: Vampire Knight Chapter 74 Translation

    Post by sweetsolace on Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:10 pm

    @loveiszero
    she needs to settle her issues with Zero, but the bite is not the way to do it. Come ooon this is such a whore behavior, she already broke her promise once and to do it again and again on a guy she supposedly broke up with is just WHORE. whore behavior. I understand you're desperate, but this is illogical and completely offsets her character, as much as she already is right now. yes and when do you think yuki will make her grand reveal, when she has drained Zero and suctioned all his blood to be sure she got all his feelings? O.o this is just so desperate...

    @juliet
    rofl rofl we have fans and even kaname and zero suffering from her slowness rofl rofl she should be a villain, would give me lots of reasons to dislike rofl

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    Re: Vampire Knight Chapter 74 Translation

    Post by juliet on Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:11 pm

    loveiszero wrote:I doubt he needs to force her again, how about some repeat offender situation here LOL.
    Well the maybe Zero should of tasted Yuuki's feeling for him before. I just feel like their feelings are purposefully hidden away/not stated. Even if we say Zero's feeling not intense enough, but for her to not see a hint of it at all? I still think right now, there is still pretty early for some big emotional revelation. After all, Yuuki still has a lot of issues to deal with, NC, her relationship with Kaname and her "started afresh" w/e relationship with Zero.

    How early is it when you have two characters that are supposed to be in love and already two years have passed (almost) with nothing in reality happening between them and just when it gets there...it's flat. I am not saying that feelings can not exist, but for my taste, I do not know, perhaps it's just me the irrational here, it's a very modest and cold continuation that does not adequately supports the "in love" concept.






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    Re: Vampire Knight Chapter 74 Translation

    Post by nina on Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:11 pm

    Howl4fun wrote: I think that if all this dragging in their relationship is meant to end in friendship is what would be completely pointless. I mean, all this waiting for the revelation of their feelings to be "Omg, we're BFF's !!!" I mean, seriously? XDD Though we're all victims to our bias minds here so until we get canon proof of Yuuki's feelings we'll keep supporting our own interpretions and POV's. Nothing wrong with that

    Isn’t that the meaning of a LT? Someone will “lose” someone will “win” the girl. Also I think the ambiguity is a necessity to build a LT or else how?

    And I found it quite difficult for an author to choose to depict the heroine as a two timing girl, meaning that at some point she had romantic feelings for both guys. Under that light, for one guy should have feelings as a friend and for the other romantic ones. Not to mention that this ambiguity already has damaged Yuuki’s profile and she hasn’t too many “likes” among both fandoms.

    And since you said about pointless … if you find pointless a few necessary scenes of ambiguity which very easy could be explained as friendship, then how can you describe the numerous pages from page 1 till now where Yuuki had said how much IN LOVE was with Kaname? I just wonder… how many pages Hino will need to explain/justify her heroine’s change of heart or how pointless were all of these pages, hm…

    Except if you think that is plausible for Hino to put Yuuki having romantic feelings for both guys and in the end to choose the one for whom has the strongest ones.

    I find it quite difficult though cuz …
    1. The fans hardly are accepting such charas (two timing), are unpopular.
    2. I think till now we should have a clear statement that she has such type of feelings for Zero too, which we haven’t … at least clear feelings which are acceptable as such from both fandoms.

    So it might be for Zeki WTF going on if ends up as BBF’s but not for Yume or the neutral fans.

    But that’s my take … I can’t prove anything …

    I completely agree that the bite is nowhere as epic as previous bites have been... which actually left me relieved. I was thinking that if the bite would be too great/epic, it'd mean that it would be the only Yuuki to Zero bite we'd have, as Hino's way of saying "There. Now you got an epic bite from her to Zero as well. Hope you liked it as it'll be the only one." really It being cut off like that without Yuuki tasting his feelings or being let into his memories completely is what makes me confident there'll be more. Not saying her biting him again will resolve the LT or anything, only that another bite may be emphasized on physically as well as this one was mentally. We shall wait and see

    Relieved huh? Well, you and lots of cheering Zeki, one month ago gave quite the opposite impression but if you say so … Razz

    sweetsolace wrote: I'm surprised (or not so surprised) ZEKIs can say they are pleased with this bite, when I'm not even remotely liking it, eventhough I'm a YUME fan. although of course i know you like it because you're a zeki fan, IMO the bite frankly doesn't look that appetizing. I can appreciate the "beauty" of vampire bites and this was just bland. imo.

    Ahem … exactly lol.

    Now that’s why I said that the way Hino chose to depict this bite is open to interpretations.

    For me the big moment has pass, simply cuz the FIRST bite with supposedly so much tension/cliffhanger (last panel, previous chap.), with all of this “build up” from chapter 60 (almost bite) … oh no wait … according to Zeki from chapter 51 with the infamous phrase “one chunk blah blah” and the 1,5 year gap from their last intensive moment of the farewell and the “intensive, sensual suppressed feelings” for soooooo long … cough cough … it should be or owed to be EPIC and not totally dull and plain, IF all the above were true ofc. The magic lost, or it wasn’t meant to be any magic … ???

    So if there’s gonna be lots of bites (which I’m not sure about it, cuz it depends of how long Yuuki will stay at the academy), would be in the same tempo. The only alternative I see is, IF Yuuki discovers that her feelings for Zero are romantic and she’ll bite him out of passion … in every other way I think is difficult for an EPIC biting scene.

    Howl4fun wrote: Saying it was "emotionless" however, that's a bit of a lie. Does licking his neck, pulling his tie, saying "I calmed down and my fangs extended in his neck" while clenching him count as "emotionless"? Really? If you see it that way however, fine. It's all in bias minds (as is mine)


    Pulling his tie indicates emotions? If she had tear apart his shirt yes haha Razz

    About the phrase … you should read it as a whole and not to isolate the one part >>>

    "When I bit into Zero's neck, my mind suddenly calmed down and my fangs extended for someone I had absolutely no intention of drinking from" <<< meaning that she didn’t want to drink his blood as she also had said when Zero bit his wrist and prior from that.

    She calmed down cuz she finally was able to receive fresh blood >>> I think it was obvious that her hunger was creating problems to her mentality and was making her less functional … even Zero said so … ergo; what’s the meaning of “my mind calmed down”?

    Furthermore the lack of guilt afterwards isn’t an indication that it was a bite out of necessity; and shot of intimate feelings? Cuz don’t tell me that is natural for Yuuki’s character not to have any sign of guilt IF she had discovered that Zero’s blood could fully satisfy her emotionally? … Razz

    That’s why I used the term emotionless to emphasize that there weren’t romantic/passionate emotions … cuz obviously there were some emotions … awkwardness/nervousness/carefulness from Yuuki’s part at least, and as we saw later gratification/”joy” for the fact that their relation has been restored/start afresh, but <<< note what Yuuki means with that … it pops into her head the moment she saw for the first time Zero as a kid <<< this is the start line for her, which means a new friendship, cuz I suppose at that time she certainly didn’t have romantic feelings for Zero.
    Maybe I didn’t manage to convey exactly what I meant previously, but I think I did it now.

    Ps. I think we all should restrain ourselves from hanging too much from every single word from the translation … we all know, at least the “old fans”, how one word could change a lot the context of a passage.

    Juliet I agree!!!! cheers





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    Re: Vampire Knight Chapter 74 Translation

    Post by loveiszero on Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:12 pm

    LOL sweetsolace, I lol'ed so hard at the Whore thingie.

    Honestly though, if Zero's done with Yuuki, there is no reason for fans to even delve into the matter or be dissatisfied with a BFF ending. If the dude is happy, what else would you hope for?

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    Re: Vampire Knight Chapter 74 Translation

    Post by juliet on Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:30 pm

    nina wrote:
    For me the big moment has pass, simply cuz the FIRST bite with supposedly so much tension/cliffhanger (last panel, previous chap.), with all of this “build up” from chapter 60 (almost bite) … oh no wait … according to Zeki from chapter 51 with the infamous phrase “one chunk blah blah” and the 1,5 year gap from their last intensive moment of the farewell and the “intensive, sensual suppressed feelings” for soooooo long … cough cough … it should be or owed to be EPIC and not totally dull and plain, IF all the above were true ofc. The magic lost, or it wasn’t meant to be any magic … ???

    So if there’s gonna be lots of bites (which I’m not sure about it, cuz it depends of how long Yuuki will stay at the academy), would be in the same tempo. The only alternative I see is, IF Yuuki discovers that her feelings for Zero are romantic and she’ll bite him out of passion … in every other way I think is difficult for an EPIC biting scene.



    The biting scene was a big bubble...just like with the dance scene where there was a lot of climax because Zeki fans were expecting the confrontation of Yuuki and Zero and Hino had done the same thing; nothing happened.
    I remember I had a discussion there about it with a party that knew the east fandom and she had told me that fans there were "accusing",m perhaps not the correct word but you know what I mean, Hino for creating a great bubble and that she can not manage climax.
    I guess that again it happened the same here, we had a great and sudden (it was very fast) development that did not resolute the Zeki problem but actually made a twist towards a more subbtle mutual resolution that's far away from the passionate feelings bla bla that normally the scene (with some kind of means) should convey for what it was at least expected.







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    Re: Vampire Knight Chapter 74 Translation

    Post by sweetsolace on Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:36 pm

    juliet wrote:
    nina wrote:
    For me the big moment has pass, simply cuz the FIRST bite with supposedly so much tension/cliffhanger (last panel, previous chap.), with all of this “build up” from chapter 60 (almost bite) … oh no wait … according to Zeki from chapter 51 with the infamous phrase “one chunk blah blah” and the 1,5 year gap from their last intensive moment of the farewell and the “intensive, sensual suppressed feelings” for soooooo long … cough cough … it should be or owed to be EPIC and not totally dull and plain, IF all the above were true ofc. The magic lost, or it wasn’t meant to be any magic … ???

    So if there’s gonna be lots of bites (which I’m not sure about it, cuz it depends of how long Yuuki will stay at the academy), would be in the same tempo. The only alternative I see is, IF Yuuki discovers that her feelings for Zero are romantic and she’ll bite him out of passion … in every other way I think is difficult for an EPIC biting scene.


    The biting scene was a big bubble...just like with the dance scene where there was a lot of climax because Zeki fans were expecting the confrontation of Yuuki and Zero and Hino had done the same thing; nothing happened.
    I remember I had a discussion there about it with a party that knew the east fandom and she had told me that fans there were "accusing",m perhaps not the correct word but you know what I mean, Hino for creating a great bubble and that she can not manage climax.
    I guess that again it happened the same here, we had a great and sudden (it was very fast) development that did not resolute the Zeki problem but actually made a twist towards a more subbtle mutual resolution that's far away from the passionate feelings bla bla that normally the scene (with some kind of means) should convey for what it was at least expected.

    the only "good" scene I see between ZEKI seems to be chapter 60. Other than that the rest of their meetings were watered down. Its like a great anticipation has been building up in ZEKI only to have it shot down to a neutral level that implies more of a friendship once lost rather than rekindling a romance that never existed.

    and about more bites... seriouslly?? rofl Yuki is so damaged right now in the fan's eyes, I heard there was even a bashing thread about her in one of the asian forums, she is so hated just because of the bite, they say Hino often excuses her behavior as justified... she is getting incredibly unpopular because of that...what more if she continues.

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    Post by aya-chan on Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:39 pm

    As a yume, I felt nothing when yuuki bite zero. I did not felt not even fear for my own ship. Maybe I am insensitive...

    Aidou cold atittude towards yuuki: maybe he felt betrayed because yuuki drank zero's blood. aidou expression: he was a little shock for what he witnessed.

    I am dissapointed by yuuki, but not because she bit zero. yuuki doesn't seem determinated to do her job. yuuki should put sara on her place, but she don't. for election, takuma was a candidate, but he resign and was replaced with sara.
    night class belong to yuuki and she should take decissions, but she seemed weak in that area. she let another pureblood to mess with her work.
    yuuki should have show the door to sara when she made her first attemp for domination. sara is just a pureblood who begged for mercy.
    yuuki should have said something like " you are a guest here. if you don't like it, there is the exit."

    yuuki knows something is fishy with sara, but still she doesn't do something about her or at least to "cut" her freedom. probrably she inherited this from her adoptativ father. he does the same.

    and kaien he really has guts. he treat kaname with his sword, but he allowed entrance to sara even if he knew she is planning something and she did not behave well.
    Will he protect her when kaname will come to kill her?


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    Post by loveiszero on Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:44 pm

    sweetsolace wrote:

    and about more bites... seriouslly?? rofl Yuki is so damaged right now in the fan's eyes, I heard there was even a bashing thread about her in one of the asian forums, she is so hated just because of the bite, they say Hino often excuses her behavior as justified... she is getting incredibly unpopular because of that...what more if she continues.

    Yuuki's image is only damaged now? The moment she uttered those words to Kaname about having Zero in her heart, she sealed the deal for me. I dislike her as a heroine, probably only less than the infamous Haine Otomiya of Shinshi Domei Kurosu.

    Hino should of just let Yume leave in peace. VK could still go on with Yuuki trying to repair her friendship with Zero, and develop other aspects of the story instead. But no...

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    Re: Vampire Knight Chapter 74 Translation

    Post by juliet on Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:55 pm

    sweetsolace wrote:

    and about more bites... seriouslly?? rofl Yuki is so damaged right now in the fan's eyes, I heard there was even a bashing thread about her in one of the asian forums, she is so hated just because of the bite, they say Hino often excuses her behavior as justified... she is getting incredibly unpopular because of that...what more if she continues.

    The reason is not adequately supported, noticed the contradiction; her hunger is so great that Zero sees that to her face but it just takes little and that's enough?

    So we have the hunger excuse that does not seem adequate/ let's say that she is pretending and she wanted it because she desired Zero's blood (Zeki version almost), where is the backup support for Zekis? they are left there hagging, Yuuki even stating "the blood of someone I never intended to..". No great scenes, resolution, passion given, nothing.

    So the hunger excuse fails to convey Yumes, the scene fails convey the "in love" excuse and we see actually a script that as you said; " Hino often excuses Yuuki's behavior as justified... " . But where is the justification in the overall/?

    As Nina said the ambiguity dragging makes Yuuki look really feeble and cheap. Should every excused here be justified? just any?
    Apparently not giving neither a good excuse for Yumes but neither an adequate support for Zeki (since Hino is going into that with a lame excuse for me), Yuuki is left there like she is the "slow", the "fibble", the "weak" and the "inadequate". I do not know what more to say...apparently I would even respect Yuuki if Hino gave her a far more determined attitude.

    As we saw her with Sara (good she took the blood, she broke her promise and she failed with Sara rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl )...practically a joke.
    Let's hope that Hino improves that in the future.

    and kaien he really has guts. he treat kaname with his sword, but he allowed entrance to sara even if he knew she is planning something and he did not behave well.
    Will he protect her when kaname will come to kill her?

    rofl rofl rofl rofl or he will use Yuuki; don't eat Sara, Kaname...EAT ME>> rofl rofl rofl (for the co-existence purposes).


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    Re: Vampire Knight Chapter 74 Translation

    Post by aya-chan on Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:56 pm

    loveiszero wrote:Yuuki's image is only damaged now? The moment she uttered those words to Kaname about having Zero in her heart, she sealed the deal for me. I dislike her as a heroine, probably only less than the infamous Haine Otomiya of Shinshi Domei Kurosu.

    I don't think yuuki has to many fans and this because kaname and zero took all of them. no room for yuuki rofl
    Fans don't like confused heroines, so maybe yuuki deserve her fate.

    loveiszero wrote:Hino should of just let Yume leave in peace. VK could still go on with Yuuki trying to repair her friendship with Zero, and develop other aspects of the story instead. But no...

    Maybe hino plan frienship for yuuki x zero and this chapter is just the beggining.

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    Post by Howl4fun on Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:56 pm

    Hmm, too much discussion, opinions and things that could be said, and I'm way too tired to get into it. I'll try to convey what I think are the reasons for our different takes on this as simplified as possible. If I were to look from yumes' point of view, who most have never seen much love in zeki, this bite scene would probably not seem as it either. For zekis who've seen love implied since the beginning, it fits well in and continues the ambuigity before "the reveal" in a proper pace. So in short really, it's clichè to say but our views is what clashes and doesn't sound right to the other fandom according to their POV's/interpretions of the story/LT. What we're discussing has been discussed for years now and still hints and moments like these are being dropped along the way to keep us discussing "was that friendship or love?" blablahblah... I'm seriously hoping Hino isn't going to drag it to the end either. but well, all in (hopefully) good time.

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    Re: Vampire Knight Chapter 74 Translation

    Post by sari15 on Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:11 am

    nina wrote:
    About the phrase … you should read it as a whole and not to isolate the one part >>>

    "When I bit into Zero's neck, my mind suddenly calmed down and my fangs extended for someone I had absolutely no intention of drinking from" <<< meaning that she didn’t want to drink his blood as she also had said when Zero bit his wrist and prior from that.

    She calmed down cuz she finally was able to receive fresh blood >>> I think it was obvious that her hunger was creating problems to her mentality and was making her less functional … even Zero said so … ergo; what’s the meaning of “my mind calmed down”?
    See. That's the thing. She came out and said to him "I want Zero's blood" and that him offering wasn't the reason so saying she doesn't want it is not the truth. Per the agreement, she hadn't planned on doing this--because she promised Kaname.

    But you need to pay attention to the rest of the sentence as well, when she bit into Zero TWO things happened. 1. Her mind calmed 2. Her fangs elongated. Why would the second one even be mentioned? If she didn't 'want' to drink from him, why would her body DO this after her mind has calmed and she's able to rationally decide she didn't want to drink from him?

    Maybe accessing feelings depends on the state of your fangs? Those weren't memories she saw, it was feelings. Zero's fear. She hadn't intended/planned/meant to peek in on Zero's feelings but...her fangs just...went out on their own. Zero's the one that kicked her out, right after saying he didn't have anything to hide if she went snooping around. As we know, Zero's bites were pretty hard and long when he was drinking from her. This, was not.

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    Post by Howl4fun on Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:38 am

    Nina: Oh about the bite. I expected her drink from him while they were sitting down... look what happened, haha XD Only thing I expected more was blood and some fang shots like I said. But revelation? Most of us even hoped she wouldn't taste Zero's feelings as it would be too early. I'm disappointed by lack of blood, that's about it. In conversation and developing level I'm very pleased. Why're you trying so hard to tell us not to be happy about it, LOL XD Sorry it doesn't work, but keep trying Razz

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    Post by loveiszero on Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:43 am

    Howl4fun wrote:Nina: Oh about the bite. I expected her drink from him while they were sitting down... look what happened, haha XD Only thing I expected more was blood and some fang shots like I said. But revelation? Most of us even hoped she wouldn't taste Zero's feelings as it would be too early. I'm disappointed by lack of blood, that's about it. In conversation and developing level I'm very pleased. Why're you trying so hard to tell us not to be happy about it, LOL XD Sorry it doesn't work, but keep trying Razz

    LOL So you were the one predicting they gonna bite sitting down cheers . I tried to look at the pic to see what you pointed out about the potential falling but couldnt' make out a thing.

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    Post by Knightmare on Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:24 am

    juliet wrote:
    M...I was refering to the anticipation of the scene (mostly from the Zeki's part) to be a bit worthless. Well okay, I understand that people do have expectations -glad to know its not just us- and there was a great expectation about the bite; that it would mean/reveal something greater - or expose Zero's feelings to Yuuki. But it seems that Hino does not want to give it that way; creating an all passionate revealing scene to server fans.

    Oh I get what you mean, the buildup towards a bite between Yuki and Zero I assume? The cliffhanger was worthless, the second arc has been full of them just deflating to nothing, I miss the ones from the 1st arc. Which is why I don't think the k vs k is gonna come to anything. I'm sick of these cliffhangers that are just full of hot air, trying to make you think its gonna be really "life changing"...and then its not.

    But the most of the build up of anticipation of towards a bite between Yuuki and zero has been fan made. so many people thought it was the way to resolve the lt.

    If the bite had been after the lt resolved, then I'd expect it to be a big deal, like confirming it all. but because it was before yuuki made thing up in her mind, it HAD to be subtle and meaningful for other things
    - that zero accepts yuuki and that he won't hate her if she bites him
    - that yuuki is breaking the promise not to bite him
    - that it means they are no longer enemies
    - that yuuki is getting what she wants

    because yuuki needs to figure out what she wants and resolve things with the other boy before she takes that magical step with her man, at least thats how it would be if its done right.

    nina wrote:
    Isn’t that the meaning of a LT? Someone will “lose” someone will “win” the girl. Also I think the ambiguity is a necessity to build a LT or else how?
    Yeah and they like yanking our chain for fun and profit. That is pretty much the point of any LT, as soon as its resolved, people get bored, both the happy and unhappy shippers.

    I don't dislike yuuki for her split heart, I dislike yuuki for her inability to overcome her weaknesses. I actually don't think she has a split heart, thats a personal theory, and I think her "indecisiveness" is her inability to commit herself because she's insecure, afraid to face things and afraid to lose things. and as a character meant to be a heroine, that annoys the crap out of me, that she doesn't do things in spite of her weaknesses. at least thats the way I see it for my ship. but I will hurrah when she starts to overcome it and she is taking baby steps now.


    2. I think till now we should have a clear statement that she has such type of feelings for Zero too, which we haven’t … at least clear feelings which are acceptable as such from both fandoms.
    and to me, that would end the LT, a clear statement of feelings.


    Furthermore the lack of guilt afterwards isn’t an indication that it was a bite out of necessity; and shot of intimate feelings? Cuz don’t tell me that is natural for Yuuki’s character not to have any sign of guilt IF she had discovered that Zero’s blood could fully satisfy her emotionally? … Razz
    The converse arguement to the above could also apply, that she could be relieved that she didn't or some such that Kaname was the only one for her. Yuuki's response fits nicely with my belief that she already expected her own response, that it reaffirms that yuuki already understands her attachment to Zero.


    ”joy” for the fact that their relation has been restored/start afresh, but <<< note what Yuuki means with that … it pops into her head the moment she saw for the first time Zero as a kid <<< this is the start line for her, which means a new friendship, cuz I suppose at that time she certainly didn’t have romantic feelings for Zero.
    And she also said that to return to the past is not allowed. She did say she wanted to talk to him like before, which she's trying to do. That doesn't actually define their relationship. It's open enough to suggest friendship or not. Although setting aside what she said, she'd have to want to be friends at the very least, a good relationship has that as the basis. And for me, yume lacks that.


    Ps. I think we all should restrain ourselves from hanging too much from every single word from the translation … we all know, at least the “old fans”, how one word could change a lot the context of a passage.
    I know. *groans* its so hard not to pick it apart though I know its a translation of another translation. Patience patience.


    Howl4fun wrote:
    For zekis who've seen love implied since the beginning, it fits well in and continues the ambuigity before "the reveal" in a proper pace. So in short really, it's clichè to say but our views is what clashes and doesn't sound right to the other fandom according to their POV's/interpretions of the story/LT. What we're discussing has been discussed for years now and still hints and moments like these are being dropped along the way to keep us discussing "was that friendship or love?"
    Yeah, thats true. its not just about explaining one scene, its everything. What I love about Zeki is the slow and stead pace, yume always seems too rushed and skips the foundation blocks that keep me from buying it as a lasting romance and I believe it what they have has been crumbling during this arc, not that I expect yumes to see that anymore than they can expect me to believe yuuki has no romantic feelings for zero.

    though there are yumes and zekis who see and believe the other sides pov.

    My belief is that before Yuuki returns to kaname, it will be clear to the reader where she stands. and she will return, she needs to either close things off and face him or well, return to him romantically. that is if she goes to him, if he comes to her, that is a different matter, I would prefer she go to him.

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    Re: Vampire Knight Chapter 74 Translation

    Post by sweetsolace on Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:45 am

    loveiszero wrote:Yuuki's image is only damaged now? The moment she uttered those words to Kaname about having Zero in her heart, she sealed the deal for me. I dislike her as a heroine, probably only less than the infamous Haine Otomiya of Shinshi Domei Kurosu. .

    That's why I said she already looks bad. She already chose Kaname and she's still on the rut with Zero, basically everything she does with Zero makes her a two timer. The bad thing is, it does look like Hino is excusing her two timing behavior, for example Yuki saying she had no intention to bite Zero since he forced her into it, this actually actualizes the act to happen and it doesn't make it her fault while she was still able to get her dose of flirtish behavior.
    I think Haine is actually better than Yuki in that she was clear on her feelings and that she made it clear she a was two-timer while Yuki is just ambiguous so it sends all kinds of messages to fans and keep them hoping love existed when its quite clear what they are. moreover she APOLOGIZES saying "she can only hurt the ones she loves" but doesn't really keep herself from hurting them more.

    juliet wrote:The reason is not adequately supported, noticed the contradiction; her hunger is so great that Zero sees that to her face but it just takes little and that's enough?
    precisely. the hunger should be sooo great and it looks like she only took a nibble. affraid And I'm the only one surprised here?! lord. rofl

    juliet wrote:Apparently not giving neither a good excuse for Yumes but neither an adequate support for Zeki (since Hino is going into that with a lame excuse for me), Yuuki is left there like she is the "slow", the "fibble", the "weak" and the "inadequate". I do not know what more to say...apparently I would even respect Yuuki if Hino gave her a far more determined attitude.

    and that's why its actually effective in dragging the matter, there's this "secret" quality to the LT endgame couple when there really is no secrecy, just a series of ambiguities and obscured thoughts. I think Hino actually played it safe there, she knew fans were distraught with Yuki choosing Kaname so she fed hope to the fans via the ambiguous signals, when in fact she may have known how the LT ends. IMO its just an elaborate illusion.
    But to that effect Yuki's image is actually compromised as a heroine, and her character is botched. So many roles at once just to express her naivety, IMO it looks like she's playing around and the characters are creating excuses to justify her behavior, Kaien, Kaname, Zero, Aido and everyone else are spoiling her. She SHOULD FAIL, I've never seen her fail utterly, someone often catches her arse before it gets burnt. She should fail in her night class for her stupidity especially meddling in affairs of the hunters, but there always seems to be BackUp People who saves the day. Worse she looks like she's two timing while she's at it. In the end she never learns to grow up because in fact she has an excuse to remain naive, there's always someone who prevents her from maturing. Oh but of course someone gets the sole blame here: Kaname! cheers it seems he has to carry the burden of bringing Yuki into this world lol rofl
    The ambiguity makes it worse. But the hope for romance is too strong to break it apart, so the author builds up a major scene then eventually keeps shooting it down in one chap. IMO. for example the ball scene was launched with such great expectations, then POOF nothing too much. Now another grand scene, yuki's FIRST BITE out of Zero, and POOF nothing much either. What's next? whats the next Reveal there? confused she will realize her feelings for him are greater? Shocked but how MANY MORE steps to get there?? more bites, more interactions? good lord, but people haven't been checking how many scenes that were supposed to contribute to that and nothing happened...

    aya-chan wrote:Maybe hino plan frienship for yuuki x zero and this chapter is just the beggining.
    LOL I agree. rofl


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    Re: Vampire Knight Chapter 74 Translation

    Post by Rose.Petals on Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:49 am

    And how many chapters has Yuuki been saying she was going after Kaname?

    Every month I keep expecting something HUGE, and it never happens. Each cliff hanger leads to another.

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    Post by nina on Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:46 pm

    aya-chan wrote: As a yume, I felt nothing when yuuki bite zero. I did not felt not even fear for my own ship. Maybe I am insensitive...

    Same here … let’s make a group of insensitive’ Yume … something tells me that we’ll have a big hit hahaha!

    Aidou cold atittude towards yuuki: maybe he felt betrayed because yuuki drank zero's blood. aidou expression: he was a little shock for what he witnessed.

    To tell you the truth I didn’t understand well the context of Aidou’s conversation with Shiki … he was spying for Kaname? He was disappointed with Yuuki? I’m clueless … I think I’ll wait for the scanlation from the Japanese to English cuz is more accurate.

    I am dissapointed by yuuki, but not because she bit zero. yuuki doesn't seem determinated to do her job. yuuki should put sara on her place, but she don't. for election, takuma was a candidate, but he resign and was replaced with sara.
    night class belong to yuuki and she should take decissions, but she seemed weak in that area. she let another pureblood to mess with her work.
    yuuki should have show the door to sara when she made her first attemp for domination. sara is just a pureblood who begged for mercy.
    yuuki should have said something like " you are a guest here. if you don't like it, there is the exit."

    Tell me about it … My only hope for Yuuki’s current hopeless state is that it could be a build-up for a future transformation of her, so that, the comparison of the old one with the new Yuuki to be WOW!
    I can’t think any other reason for Hino to have depicted her heroine so dense and to emphasize that she has no charisma all the time.

    The incident with Sara I have the feeling that it had the purpose to humiliate Yuuki cuz as I’ve read she was aiming only for the position of the class president, leaving the position of the dorm president to Yuuki, as Kaname was in the past. (<< if that is accurate). Maybe is trying to keep a low profile ????

    And is very worrisome Takuma’s stance … did he drank Sara’s blood and seems so off or he didn’t want to arise Sara’s suspicions cuz she was watching him while talking with Yuuki? I hope is the later though, cuz I’m so afraid for Takuma …


    sari15 wrote: See. That's the thing. She came out and said to him "I want Zero's blood" and that him offering wasn't the reason so saying she doesn't want it is not the truth.


    Again the same trick? Why are you doing this? You cut the wording to suit to your argument …

    The whole phrase:

    Yuuki: "I will bite you not because you've invited me to,>>> but because as you've said, it's for our mutual interest."
    Yuuki: “Please help me >>>... I really want Zero’s blood now. I... I’ve always suppressed my thirst.”
    Yuuki: I'll only need a little. If my hunger is sated, then I can do my job as a Kuran, a pureblood.
    Zero: It'll bother me if you don't.

    If you take under consideration the dialogue as a whole you’ll see that Yuuki says, that she needs Zero’s blood cuz is hungry and is for their best interest. Cuz as you can see with this explanation fits also Zero’s answer >>> “It’ll bother me if you don’t” >>> meaning that he’ll be troubled if Yuuki wasn’t in position to do her job properly due to her hunger …

    But you need to pay attention to the rest of the sentence as well, when she bit into Zero TWO things happened. 1. Her mind calmed 2. Her fangs elongated. Why would the second one even be mentioned? If she didn't 'want' to drink from him, why would her body DO this after her mind has calmed and she's able to rationally decide she didn't want to drink from him?

    What made you think that I didn’t pay attention? I posted the wording in question as a whole, no? I didn’t cut off anything. Guess what; I still don’t see why is so important that her fangs extended … isn’t a natural procedure in order to take blood a vampire when it’s thirsty? She didn’t want to take blood but apparently she needed to … You know she is a beast (scene with Yori), her instincts are wild and she needs blood. Except if so far she was using her deciduous teeth and Zero made her a woman haha …

    But as I said before we should restrain ourselves till the translation/scanlation from Japanese to English comes out. I think you’re long enough in this fandom to understand what I mean. So I don’t intent to go further digging in every single word.

    Howl4fun wrote: Why're you trying so hard to tell us not to be happy about it, LOL XD Sorry it doesn't work, but keep trying

    Was I? I didn’t shed nor a drop of sweat I swear haha … Hino did all the good job… I can’t take the credit from her … Razz

    knightmare wrote:
    - that yuuki is breaking the promise not to bite him
    - that yuuki is getting what she wants

    Or what she needs and that’s why she has no regret or guilt …

    Yeah and they like yanking our chain for fun and profit. That is pretty much the point of any LT, as soon as its resolved, people get bored, both the happy and unhappy shippers.

    Yeah … that’s why I prefer to say that the dragging of the LT is for mangaka-service. But I think VK has a lot more to offer than the LT. It has the foundation to make a very interesting plot aside from the LT. That’s why I’m so against of this dragging cuz isn’t a plain manga-romance hence the LT isn’t so essential for the plot … Personally I prefer to explore the other aspects of VK than the LT …

    I actually don't think she has a split heart,

    I agree … I don’t believe it either … for me it’s clear what type of feelings has for each guy…

    knightmare wrote:
    nina wrote: 2. I think till now we should have a clear statement that she has such type of feelings for Zero too, which we haven’t … at least clear feelings which are acceptable as such from both fandoms

    and to me, that would end the LT, a clear statement of feelings.

    I was referring to the case IF she had split heart, which I don’t believe. But IF she had she should have had say it thus far, that she has romantic feelings for both of them so to be in the process to explore who loves more <<< that should be the core of the LT IF she had split heart and that wouldn’t be the end of it …

    The converse arguement to the above could also apply, that she could be relieved that she didn't or some such that Kaname was the only one for her. Yuuki's response fits nicely with my belief that she already expected her own response, that it reaffirms that yuuki already understands her attachment to Zero.

    Haha … It might fits on your belief, but it contradicts with her character who has guilt even cuz she’s “breathing” …

    And she also said that to return to the past is not allowed. She did say she wanted to talk to him like before, which she's trying to do. That doesn't actually define their relationship. It's open enough to suggest friendship or not. Although setting aside what she said, she'd have to want to be friends at the very least, a good relationship has that as the basis. And for me, yume lacks that.

    I think the panel where she thinks the first time she saw Zero as a kid speaks louder than any interpretation … I’ll leave it there …

    A good friendship yes … should have that as a base … to be friends’ haha
    I’ve never see Yume as friends neither I want to … I suppose not all the romantic relations have as base the friendship. For me first comes the love/passion <<< this is the base for a romance … the “friendship” is an aspect which should come later if the couple wasn’t friends before fall in love. Eros doesn’t require so much thinking … you just feel it. But I guess that’s one reason of why I’m a Yume and you’re a Zeki …






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    Re: Vampire Knight Chapter 74 Translation

    Post by Seeker on Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:05 pm

    [quote="sweetsolace"]
    juliet wrote:
    sweetsolace wrote:

    apparently this is just the beginning....but beginning of what? and love should be mutual, but why do I sense that Yuki is the only one doing an effort here to reach out to Zero? hm strange love this is.
    moreover if Zero does feel something and he's hiding it, then it must not have been that great because he was able to hide it, whereas if it was of mammoth proportions he would fail to hide it and the Great feelings would expose itself inevitably, despite his effort. But nothing showed. Perhaps Zero's feelings for Yuki should also be developed? And not just her?

    The beggining? After two years (and its not just humans) beginning? affraid affraid affraid affraid

    It's the beggining, it moves with baby steps and it hides in coffins? what is it?

    um. A baby zombie? it moves with baby steps and hides in coffins

    apparently the feeling is hiding there somewhere so maybe one day it won't be so shy and make its appearance. cheers

    more bites. and after the 57th bite I imagine Zero's neck would be raw and Yuki still haven't searched that feeling. maybe the fans can help search for it.

    or ok, lets narrow it down to 5 bites. After the 5th bite, Zero is half full of blood and Yuki goes, "omg! this is what you feel all this time! I keep drinking your blood and NOW finally NOW I see it, I see your feelings for me after searching for it in your thoughts for so long, and for some reason I also feel the same way which I have not felt the first time before now! I want to marry you now and break up with kaname! Im so dumb to have realize this only after the 5th bite!" LOL and let us forget that Yuki should be feeling guilty for breaking a promise here, she's not she may even want to keep biting Zero again, lol because she was just hungry Yuki's character diminished into a slut-form all for the bite baby

    Who knows in what specific situation the next bite will take place. After all, so far, when Yuuki bit Kaname, it was also to sate her hunger.

    The thing is, how serious do we take Zero's words regarding his feelings for Yuuki? Yuuki herself thought he felt nothing of that sort for her now. Not like she's gonna go all lovely dovey with him, considering his stance, "enemies" and such. So if we go by bite=revelation, it just makes sense to have another bite for her to figure this out.
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    when i mean situation, I mean an impossible situation, like Zero doing what he did to Yuki before the bite, and her hunger. Does he need to force her again just to make her bite him, and she also needs to be hungry?
    Its not just Zero's words, but the fact that the blood does not lie. And the blood has spoken.


    He must care for her.Zero practically dragged her outside.She was not "Hungry".Zero somewhat thretened her.(not in a mean way)In order for her to get fed.So maybe in the future he will "threten" or "force" her to bite him

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    Re: Vampire Knight Chapter 74 Translation

    Post by Seeker on Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:13 pm

    sari15 wrote:
    nina wrote:
    About the phrase … you should read it as a whole and not to isolate the one part >>>

    "When I bit into Zero's neck, my mind suddenly calmed down and my fangs extended for someone I had absolutely no intention of drinking from" <<< meaning that she didn’t want to drink his blood as she also had said when Zero bit his wrist and prior from that.

    She calmed down cuz she finally was able to receive fresh blood >>> I think it was obvious that her hunger was creating problems to her mentality and was making her less functional … even Zero said so … ergo; what’s the meaning of “my mind calmed down”?
    See. That's the thing. She came out and said to him "I want Zero's blood" and that him offering wasn't the reason so saying she doesn't want it is not the truth. Per the agreement, she hadn't planned on doing this--because she promised Kaname.

    But you need to pay attention to the rest of the sentence as well, when she bit into Zero TWO things happened. 1. Her mind calmed 2. Her fangs elongated. Why would the second one even be mentioned? If she didn't 'want' to drink from him, why would her body DO this after her mind has calmed and she's able to rationally decide she didn't want to drink from him?

    Maybe accessing feelings depends on the state of your fangs? Those weren't memories she saw, it was feelings. Zero's fear. She hadn't intended/planned/meant to peek in on Zero's feelings but...her fangs just...went out on their own. Zero's the one that kicked her out, right after saying he didn't have anything to hide if she went snooping around. As we know, Zero's bites were pretty hard and long when he was drinking from her. This, was not.
    So the time when Zero was feeding off of Yuki?Possibly looking for feelings?I know he was also hunngry.But remember he had asked her "what am I to you"?
    Oh and remember Hanabusa(?)had said something to Yuki like "The one you drink blood from or loved one quenches your thirst".So wasn't Yuki having trouble with Kaname's blood quenching her thirst.So Yuki's fangs reacted on their own.The feeding from Zero definetly means something.

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    Re: Vampire Knight Chapter 74 Translation

    Post by mariangie on Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:07 pm

    The part about distributing the new blood tablets to vampire I think is the restart of the action part of the plot . Most probably in 1 - 2 chapters , we would get what is really the effect of the new blood tablets and Sara's real intentions with them . I expect chaos would be next . So the evacuation of humans will be for their safety . Specially if the blood tablets turn the vampires who drank them bersekers .

    About the biting scene . I expect more information to resolve the LT if Zero was the one biting Yuuki than the opposite . Because for Yuuki would be very difficult to hide her real feelings for Zero and Kaname from him . As Zero noticing she loves Kaname more in the past . So I wasn't expecting Yuuki to chose either of the boys now after biting Zero now . Probably the bite now only make her more confused as making her doubt about which is the guy she loves romantically . Worse , as now she has to have guilt feelings for breaking her promise to Kamane of drinking only his blood .

    The thing I was waiting to see from the bite scene was what Yuuki could see from Zero's memories / feelings . Here I expected more interesting things . Maybe a memory from their past . But this one confirms Zero's fear to lose his humanity is there . Basically that was the thing she saw . Not if he loves her or not . She saw the things keeping in check his sanity / Level E trapped . For now they are doing their job . But I don't think his Level E problem is resolved permanetly . Maybe is a way to the chains to break . The things from the coffin ( the Level E issues ) could escape if the the things keeping them prisioner lose power . As shown in the 2nd arc . There are some episodes of Zero losing for a little time control of his acts .

    So I don't believe the Level E issue has resolved finally . If the Level E thing has resolved forever , the emphasis on the tatto - bracelet spell was just a bluff . A bluuf the mangaka made so long ago and then forgotten . Most when the mangaka said she knew how to end the story since the start of it .

    Something I see interesting was Zero imaging Yuuki as her human self inside his memories / mind . I think this indicates his love is for the human Yuuki . He continues to deny he loves Yuuki as her vampire self . So he has not accepted yet her completely . So their love relationship has not improved so much for now .

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    Re: Vampire Knight Chapter 74 Translation

    Post by loveiszero on Sat Jul 23, 2011 5:20 pm

    mariangie wrote:

    Something I see interesting was Zero imaging Yuuki as her human self inside his memories / mind . I think this indicates his love is for the human Yuuki . He continues to deny he loves Yuuki as her vampire self . So he has not accepted yet her completely . So their love relationship has not improved so much for now .

    Agreed. So far, it has been Yuuki wanting to rekindle their relationship. It is what she wants, Zero not necessarily shares the same sentiment. We know Zero still cares, it would be strange if he didn't at all, but I'm still not sure how much he actually loves this current Yuuki. Maybe if they spend more time later on, he'll see that the old Yuuki is sitll there, not completely faded away like Yuuki claimed back then.

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    Re: Vampire Knight Chapter 74 Translation

    Post by nateriver on Sat Jul 23, 2011 5:28 pm

    zero knows that the old yuuki is still there,but he doesn't allow himself to love a puperblood vampire
    I'm very excited with this chapter,so sweet,I love zeki's scene so much

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    Re: Vampire Knight Chapter 74 Translation

    Post by Howl4fun on Sat Jul 23, 2011 6:23 pm

    Was I? I didn’t shed nor a drop of sweat I swear haha … Hino did all the good job… I can’t take the credit from her … Razz


    LOL that's a good one. Well, maybe you're right. We'll see how Hino makes future "emotionless" zeki scenes, haha Razz

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    Re: Vampire Knight Chapter 74 Translation

    Post by Knightmare on Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:33 pm

    mariangie wrote:
    So I don't believe the Level E issue has resolved finally . If the Level E thing has resolved forever , the emphasis on the tatto - bracelet spell was just a bluff . A bluuf the mangaka made so long ago and then forgotten . Most when the mangaka said she knew how to end the story since the start of it .
    I don't think the level E is over either. I thought the emphasis of that scene was to make yuuki sweat and increase her desire for blood by making her touch his neck, cos she noticed his blood rushing.

    mariangie wrote:
    Something I see interesting was Zero imaging Yuuki as her human self inside his memories / mind . I think this indicates his love is for the human Yuuki . He continues to deny he loves Yuuki as her vampire self . So he has not accepted yet her completely . So their love relationship has not improved so much for now .
    The Yuuki who appears in ch62, also looked the same way. The fragment imposes itself on you and Zero had Yuuki's since she was a human.
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2164-32/vampire-knight/chapter-38.html
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-54910-19/vampire-knight/chapter-62.html
    If this was about what Zero accepted and didn't accept, Shizuka and Kaname's fragment would not be there, even in hidden forms. To be sure though, Zero's armour towards loving Yuuki is still completely up. She still belongs to someone else.

    nina wrote:
    Yeah … that’s why I prefer to say that the dragging of the LT is for mangaka-service. But I think VK has a lot more to offer than the LT. It has the foundation to make a very interesting plot aside from the LT. That’s why I’m so against of this dragging cuz isn’t a plain manga-romance hence the LT isn’t so essential for the plot … Personally I prefer to explore the other aspects of VK than the LT …
    I expect next chapter will focus on more plot stuff than LT stuff and hopefully Yuuki will actually get involved in some real action. I have no idea what aidou is up to, but hopefully that will be explored next chapter with all the night class and Yuuki's involvement.


    The converse arguement to the above could also apply, that she could be relieved that she didn't or some such that Kaname was the only one for her. Yuuki's response fits nicely with my belief that she already expected her own response, that it reaffirms that yuuki already understands her attachment to Zero.
    Haha … It might fits on your belief, but it contradicts with her character who has guilt even cuz she’s “breathing” …
    Actually, I do agree that her rationalisation for the bite does keep her from feeling guilty. Both towards Zero and Kaname. Its the only reason she can give into biting Zero and taking his blood, at this point, it *has* to be for greater reasons and should be kept to a business deal.

    Though when Yuuki finally makes a decision, she doesn't always feel guilty. Not for standing up to Kaname in ch41, choosing to turn into a vampire to save Zero or leaving the house or any of the actions around the grim reaper stuff. If Yuuki already knew that Zero's blood would sate her, but she made a decision to drink it, then no, she wouldn't feel guilty and she made a decision that she's not drinking for her wants, she's drinking for her needs.

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    A good friendship yes … should have that as a base … to be friends’ haha
    I’ve never see Yume as friends neither I want to … I suppose not all the romantic relations have as base the friendship. For me first comes the love/passion <<< this is the base for a romance … the “friendship” is an aspect which should come later if the couple wasn’t friends before fall in love. Eros doesn’t require so much thinking … you just feel it. But I guess that’s one reason of why I’m a Yume and you’re a Zeki
    haha, I think so. We definitely have different perspectives. for me, it would certainly help if I'd seen less awkwardness a year later in the yume relationship or more passion if its going to be a passionate relationship.

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