Honestly, I would be worried if it wasn't awkward. If they, after
what happened, didn't act this way it would either mean 1.
bad/unrealistic character design, or 2. it would mean they had a very
flat relation before. So, i'm relieved their relation is starting to
build up again in a very realistic manner.
Their awkwardness and distance stretched for 20 chapters and more. Its understandable they'd be feeling that way but more than that it seems like that awkwardness
becomes their story
instead of their supposed"love feelings
". The manga emphasized so much on this feeling and on their distance that it is becoming center
to their relationship rather than becoming the primary obstacle they have to deal with in order to progress forward. So it makes me question the author's motive here, why drag something as superficial as this trivial feelings IF she was planning to create a love conflict there that would rival
Kaname's? Shouldn't she begin making the grounds for that love conflict, instead of this distance? Like she can put up Yuki reassessing her feelings for Zero, blushing when she thinks of him, feeling agitated, anything of that sort that she feels affected by Zero's confession, which might indicate she's feeling something too perhaps, but there was nothing definite to indicate that, if there was it was more like a half assed attempt instead of a real one, such as Yuki remembering Zero biting her and saying he only needs her blood when the thought of level E crosses her mind, which is understandable in another viewpoint since Level E does mean taking blood, and at that time she was worried about his lvl e condition which connected to what Zero said that time. But it is not enough to indicate she loves him in that way because she quickly throws the thought out as if it was a nuisance instead of showing more emotional sign (blushing, distressed etc)
Zero being Kaname's rival in love for Yuki in this case doesn't make much sense to me, as there's few or nothing at all to indicate Yuki feels that way for him (except the awkwardness) and moreover Zero himself doesnt do anything except stare blankly into space and do what he always did in the first arc.
the evidence is weak,
it is not concrete enoughto hold water in face with the obstacles it should be dealing with.
Anneliezz wrote:For their pervious conversation
I think they were both lying.
if so, how much more lie can they take? surely if they ARE indeed lying the whole time there's a point where that facade crashes down... we have encountered situations where this lie can drop and i believe its in chapter 74 with the bite where the blood does the telling. What does that reveal? What does that mean for ZEKI, another lie
? how many more chapters of lies between them? for more than 20 chapters spent on lies
, what does that tell of their relationship?
With Zero it's most obvious. We've seen him this entire 2nd arcade
acting emotionless and numb. Towards Yuki the same. (I mean he did
confess his feelings, and then she went too be with kaname, it would
want to act as distant as possible) But remember the time when aido made
a comment about yuuki, and if he were hime, he'd go get her and
stuff.... He didn't react immediately, but a couple af chapters later
,he gets back to this, acting more emotional then the entire arcade
(except for the ichiru-scene, but then he was alone)
Furthermore, he continues to help yuuki, admits she hasn't changed (from the old yuuki, the one he loved), and so on..
his latest one, i believe, doesnt lie, as it was from his blood, and his blood told he does not feel that strong for yuki, as his foremost thought was about his coffin in the future. He might have feelings for her, but i believe he's also trying to move on and thats why it got buried somewhere that needs to take some searching to surface
Anneliezz wrote:What we can see , is that she cares. You can't deny that.
I don't deny it either. I think we can all agree to that. What Im not convinced is that she loves him romantically.
divine rose wrote:
Usually when you see one you have romantic feelings for, especially when
you don't know the reason, hold someone you do naturally feel jealous.
And I didn't see anything that suggested jealousy.
I agree with everything you said and also this.
When Yuki saw Maria and Zero she ducked but she didn't understand why she did it. IMO it was not even jealousy, as jealousy gives one feelings of anger towards the other person. And she didnt even knew
what she felt. Some denial mechanism there. And so far as I can tell Yuki's not mad at Maria. not even angry.
True endgame for all of VK is a LONG way off.
but the battle is starting to begin and ZEKI is in negative square one with their recent revelations.
they have a lot to catch up if they're planning on romance, IMO.
*Kaname has ALOT of history to explain before he is not a total
mystery. The last journey into his past shows nothing as to why he went
for the long sleep in the first place: it was mostly his very early
memories; long before he was a vampire king.
you are correct. he has to explain more. and whatever his past is Yuki will accept him. Probably this will go against the fans who expect her to change her mind about him, because she hasnt changed her mind about him since the first time she saw him kill a vampire before her, and that was when she was 5 years old. Now she's 17 and she still believes in Kaname despite everything she witnessed from him: multiple murders, his women, his cruelty etc. LOL it will be hard to change her mind, im sure, but that's what fanfictions are there for
*We still don't know Kaname's objectives. He is not going against
Sara directly, so he probably has deeper motives than squishing the next
megalomaniac pureblood. Also, his killing of Aido-dono is a major
wrench to a simple explanation. It definitely was not a simple "you
betrayed me, off with your head" murder.
Good. I'm glad you understand something so simple. There's more to him that meets the eye, other than being a simple "murderer"
*We have not seen Zero as the Hunter Association president,
which puts him as a political equal to Kaname. I'm not a yaoi fan but
their hate/respect dynamic is more interesting than WHO Yuuki is going
to have kids with. (well, because she hasn't lived up to her promise of
being a major power player yet, maybe when she really learns how to
fight with her scythe...)
its not sure if Zero will want to become the president in the future. He doesn't show much interest in it presently, so if he does end up in that position the way he is now, he's going to do it out of "obligation" not commitment or passion to do good. In short, he won't be a hero like everyone fantasizes he will become, rather just another hunter pres forced onto the job he doesnt feel anything for.
As for the babies fathers its an opinion different for everyone. For me the pureblood+hunter baby doesnt do much difference except to do its part "exciting the fans with something new", it does not make sense that one baby and two leaders of races who have no conflict with each other in the past will vanquish such ingrained vampire traits and more. Yuki also cant do much with her artemis yet, much less lead a small
flock of vampires and then she becomes queen
of vampire races, lol.
But to do any real convincing of a possible ZEKI ending, I would have to
show some real evidence of her both liking Zero romantically and liking
him more than she likes Kaname.
you're right, the problem is IF she doesnt need to do that because she doesnt feel anything for zero except as a friend. their path seems littered with lies and denial but maybe this will result in something miraculous some point
This bite scene between Yuuki and Zero has nothing to do with romance for a reason.
Then why you just went through lengths to give the non-romantic explanation for that bite to make it a more romantic one? Like yuki resolving his trauma?
And I don't believe this, as ZEKIs themselves were anticipating the bite saying "When she bites him she will know his feelings and then DECIDE" even some YUMEs believed in it. Fans who wanted a major show out of the bite are now blatantly
in denial as nothing major happened, but the fact remains. That bite scene was important not just romantically but plot wise, as most fans speculated about it massively before it actually arrived.
The fact that Zero was willing to let Yuuki take his blood from his
neck IS SIGNIFICANT because he is actually allowing someone to bite him
and HE WASN'T TRAUMATIZED afterwards.
he is a very calm traumatized person then.
Yuki just grabbed him for the bite and he barely had any reaction. A person with deep scars would at least flinch. He was very relax like he was listening to some calming music filtering inside his head while Yuki was also relax whispering him "Can I bite you to do my duties as Kuran?" The images in his blood also look relaxed. After the bite it seemed like Zero just finished taking a shower and was refreshed rather than stunned after reliving the experiences of his "supposed" traumatic bite.
This is a step up for Zero because he is showing recovery from those terrible experiences.
recovery? you mean when Zero approved Kaname killing purebloods?
He was not just being cranky; being bitten is more than a touchy topic for him.
Zero hates anything that has fangs.
Anything related to fangs which is biting would make him snap.
I believe something more compelling than his personal hatred drove Zero to decide to give his blood to Yuki, and part of it was he cares what will happen to her if she didn't. But it was not enough to make him forget his hatred, as he still wanted to kill vampires. Hence letting Yuki bite him was thru a force of circumstances rather than emotional.
but since I was talking about the meaning of that bite, I still believe the bite just made it more clearer what Yuki and Zero has been thinking about each other recently.
Because from what I understand from this post is that Zero has leveled-up. He now allows himself to be raped by Yuuki.
haha yes it does look that way. Yuki probably does the raping better than Shizuka,
she caused less trauma when she did it gently and only took a little.