Okay, again with feeling. I never claimed that Zero was raped.
you just implied you did here:
Zero has only experienced being bitten previously by Shizuka Hio, and
both those instances were essentially rape and murder scenes (Shizuka
even showed physical attraction towards Zero the second time around).
key word was physical attraction and you said its essentially rape. if it was only intended for non literal use, no need for that attraction
can you imagine Shizuka having physical attraction towards Zero? that can technically lead to rape .
Zero does not show any sign that he enjoyed being bitten by Yuuki because he has negative associations with being bitten.
in this first place this is a complete assumption, Zero never ONCE said he "doesn't like being bitten". It was implied in his actions (such as Zero clawing his neck in the earlier chapters) but not proven. It is however proven that he hates vampires; everyone knows that.
There is no other proof why Zero would consider being bitten a trauma, as there were no other instances other than Shizuka and Yuki's. if there was a previous incident then it could serve as proof.
Zero even let Yuki touch his tattooed neck in chapter 72. As well as get a tattoo made there in the first place. if he was traumatized he would never let it be touched, not even get something done there in the first place.
In any case, Vampire Knight (VK) canon brings up incest, cannibalism, and murder. I would assume that the future of VK might enter other taboo areas as well.
you are correct. Kaname was even accused of adultery
and majority of the zeki fans have many negative reactions towards his kills.
To reiterate: I never said that ZEKI is currently happening. I am defending the possibility of Zeki.
exactly. you are defending it, not canonizing a fact that zeki exists. the point of the thread is to argue if
zeki still exists at present.
the possibility of a future romance is always present in ZEKI like juliet said, but the question is if ZEKI over at present?
Also, in the thread it was said that if Yuuki would only accept a
virgin as a boyfriend/spouse, then if Zero was "raped," he no longer
counts as a virgin and would be rejected by Yuuki.
Kaname is an ancestor. He has had offspring, babies, progeny. I
don't think he is still a virgin. In that scenario, Yuuki would also
if broken "virginity" is the basis for everything then Kain should dump Ruka for being bitten by Kaname.
I repeat, ZEKI, is not over. Zero never got rejected by Yuuki. Yuuki never told Zero, "This Zeki thing is not happening."
rejection doesn't need to have a word of confirmation IMO. rejection happened when yuki chose kaname over zero. that's it. Yuki showing no romantic interest towards Zero for the remainder of 20 chapters or more after that is also an indication she has no plans returning his feelings because it doesnt exist for her in the first place IMO.
Yuki admitting what she truly wanted and Zero revealing the contents of his minds about yuki in chapter 74 shows they have long moved on from each other and that for me is enough proof that there was nothing going on between them other than conflict between friends.
If Hino does not make the move to further develop Zeki romantically
in the nearest future, the potentiallity of the coupling is spent and
consumed in the friendship arena as it does for chapters now.
it seem that Hino wants to promote a canon Zeki or just flirts with the
idea actually diminuishing the chances with extreme delay, when she
could have shown us two aknowledged couplings.
Does it seem
optimistic or rather discouraging for you and the Zeki fans? And isn't
that another Vampire Knight reality? Zero and Yuuki still in friendship
mode after so 14 volumes? trying to reset actually what started as
my thoughts exactly juliet. Im also looking forward to the resolution to Yuki's "divided" heart, but she had implied nothing romantic towards zero for the last few chapters and now that she did she says she wanted a RESTART FROM THE BEGINNING. From the beginning I imagine she was talking about their friendship as it was always what they had from the start, and not romance.
there's no need
1. There is no such thing as 20 chpaters off awkwardness, since
there is no such a thing as 20 chpaters about zeki. I mean, it's only
now that they start being around each othet again. Before that time,
they've seen each other twice. At the ball from afar and when yuuki
almost bit Zero. And those weren't really the moments to start workin
on their relationship just yet. Hence, the 20-chapters-awkwardness
thing, is kind of a false argument.
for 20 chapters of zeki to show a hint of Yuki's "romantic feelings" for him, they were given enough screen time and they spent it showing awkwardness and ambiguity.
she can give a hint she still feels something for him, and a solid one. she did not, and now she's saying she wants a restart that features being friends
with him again. that idea doesn't make sense if she planned to love Zero romantically in the first place.
Like I previously said, the attempts to show she loves him are half-ass instead of a real indication, it always has another meaning that meant friendship rather than love among other things. what they had in those 20 chapters is awkwardness
rather than a development that geared toward love , for example in chapter 60 as you said Yuki nearly bit zero but it was also because she considers his blood scent as nostalgic and it could mean she misses him, but not enough to solidify the idea that it was a romantic action. its also not a development in terms of romance since she ran away from that feeling as if she was scared of it. and she showed no signs of regretting running away from that feeling either.
2. The distance is a step to growing closer together. That
was the entire point of my post. It is a step that is needed and as I
just said, it's not going on for as long as it seems. And the
awkwardness is starting to fade away now. Yuuki is trying to act all
cheerful around him again.
thats why I answered that their awkwardness becomes their story instead of their romance. 20 chapters and it was the ONLY thing they did. now you say those 20 chapters were just the beginning
? so 20 more for their startover, 20 more for their romance? Yuki has to keep patting Zero for 20 more chapters to heal him since he cant do it himself, and when its vk ending only then Yuki will begin her romance, and that is left open since there's no more space for their "romance", which in essence does not make sense at all logically since for zeki to happen yuki also has to resolve her feelings for kaname.
in the 1st arc the manga spent 35
chapters on zeki showing nothing but friendship. now there's still
no hard indication of romance between them other than what was implied. how is this convincing? it does not even compare to YUME at all, even Zero makes a nonexistent rival to Kaname presently.
3. There are much more signs for zeki than just the awkwardness. I just
haven't mentioned them, because that is an entirely other discussion,
that , as i said before, has been going on for a long time, because
some people find it enough proof, some don't. That is just the way it
if you have proof then show it, after all this thread is to prove whether zeki is over or not.
chapter 74 was no moment to tell the truth there. There taking a
step (blood) for moving forward. On that moment they're already on edge.
There's no point for zero to tell yuuki how he feels. So if she asks
him to think about something else, he'd want to deny she could see
anything that has to do with her. Wich is obviously what he's afraid of,
(remember the 'oi, don't pry into my memories' thing)I agree that lies
have to stop, but now was not the time yet. And caela has already
pointed out the importance of the bite.
this doesnt indicate anything romantic. presently I disagree that its a development for either of them since the bite simply resolved the awkwardness they've spent 20 chapters showing , now that is resolved they can start having more "eased" interactions as yuki thinks it will but thats it, the fact yuki wants to be together as friends seems pretty clear to me that is what she wanted all along, and zero also revealing he had moved on from her technically because of what he said was also pretty clear.
The funny thing is zekifans seems to keep ignoring the meaning of yuki and zero's thoughts, or what it means in chapter 74. their blood and their thoughts have spoken for what they were "hiding" all along and it was "that".
His blood did not tell that he doesn't feel for yuuki anymore. It
didn't teel her anything. Zero is good at hiding his feelings,and he
stopped yuuki before she could see more. and yuuki asked him to think
about sth else, even if he denied he could be thining about her, he
still must've tried nt to think about her.
his blood told that he does not feel strongly for yuki as much as he did before. he also said he hardly thinks about her anymore. for me that tells a lot what he's been doing for the last few chapters. the others are assumptions not supported
And there's no proof, that she doesn't love him romantically (i'm
not saying it's the other way around either) So that's another reason
why zeki isn't over yet
the point of the thread is not to canonize a fact that zeki is over, but to prove
it is over. Likewise theres no proof that she loves him as a lover.
juliet wrote:(If Kaname and Yuuki have not been married by then
)...but you never know..
okay enough with humour check the goodies.
by the time zeki started that "courting/ dating" phase, yume already have twins.
I think, that their relationship will start to change as Yuuki is to
takes on the responsibility to take care of the Night class (VAMPIRES)
and Zero the Day class (HUMANS). As Yuuki will be drinking Zero's blood
from now on, definitely, something will happen there. LAST BUT NOT HE
LEAST, Maria who is now interested in Zero. She will be the one to help
Yuuki realize her feelings, or something.
a first arc REPEAT of the prefects just to make ZEKI happen, otherwise its not going anywhere with so many blockages on their way...
-zero's immortal hatred, which for some reason, will be eliminated in the end. yuki just have to keep caressing him to decrease it and keep drinking his blood--it will lead to something. And when its gone back to point zero just when he was a kid (lets forget that another zeki here said its trauma, lol), somehow he'll just manage save everyone with his unstable powers, unstable emotions and his unstable level d-e condition, vanquishing everyone even a pureblood.
zero the emotionally unstable vampire level d-e vampire hunter who lies as a hobby and who hated vampires since he was small and it was considered a trauma for him, saves the world, along with the pureblood he had promised to kill out of his hatred not too long ago. one just has to imagine hard. you can tell this right now, just when yuki starts babysitting him into being his friend again.