YAY! THis is my first post!
Hi SilverAngel!! Welcome to the forum
It's always great to see new users here
In regards to this thread's topic:
I don’t think that Zeki is over. Same goes for Yume.
Neither ship will come to a complete ‘end’ until this manga series comes to its conclusion, because no-one other than Matsuri Hino knows what is to come in future chapters.
Forget for just a moment about the story itself, and consider VK for what it actually is; a manga series. Matsuri Hino, Vampire Knight’s creator, is a mangaka. She devises the story’s plot and draws the manga because it is her job; ‘Vampire Knight’ is how she makes her living. As a mangaka, Hino will aim to create a story that will draw in as many fans as possible, because more readers interested in her manga = more money to be made. In order to keep her fans, the story has to go in a direction that will continue to appeal to all her avid readers; whether they be Zeki, Yume or otherwise. This is sometimes done through ‘fan-service’, and sometimes it’s a side plot revolving less around the main plot and more around an individual character’s development.
Even if Hino doesn’t plan on making Zeki endgame, we can rest assured that there will still be a lot of Zeki to come, no matter which direction the story may take. While the canonical ‘Yume’ couple is still widely popular, I’m sure Hino knows that there are still a LOT of fans that are invested in the ‘Zeki’ ship as well.
Hino alternates these characters’ time on the pages in order to please both groups of fans and give them something to mule over. Think about it. The majority of the first arc didn’t include as many intimate scenes between Yuuki and Kaname because she still believed / was a human. She was by Zero’s side, living her life as a guardian. After that, ‘Yume’ has had its turn, with Zero’s appearances almost completely separate from Kaname and Yuuki. This went on for nearly 40 chapters or so. Now with Kaname’s departure, it’s back to ‘Zeki’.
I’m not saying that Zeki will get together.
I’m saying that it is still possible
. After all, it’s fiction. Hino has complete creative control here; she can make anything happen. Who knows? It could be interesting to see how Hino would go about reconciling and evolving their previous relationship.
Either way, I think we can expect to see more scenes involving Zero and Yuuki interacting, teaming up, fighting, etc. Because this way Hino can please as many readers as possible, so fans will continue to crave more of their ships’ scenes and they will keep reading and buying VK manga; resulting in a steadfast income for Matsuri Hino.
Anyway, enough about criterions of profit
I’ll focus on the story itself now, and my answer to this thread’s question is still the same.
The reason Zeki can’t be over
is because Yuuki and Zero have never been together as a couple. A relationship can’t ‘end’ before it’s even begun.
That’s like saying that a couple wants to file for divorce when they never got married in the first place. It doesn’t make sense.
Has Yuuki’s desire to reconnect with Zero waned? Does Zero no longer care for Yuuki in a romantic way? Hypothetically, if Kaname hadn’t been in the picture, would Zero have wanted to pursue Yuuki?
Maybe. I don’t know. The story didn’t unfold that way, so no fan can claim to know for certain. And those are entirely different questions to the topic of this thread regardless. The question being asked is ‘Do you think Zeki is over?’, and I think that it isn’t. In my opinion, a ship isn’t ‘over’ while a series is still ongoing and there are still fans rooting for them to get together.
Remember that ‘shipping’ is initiated by fans. As long as there is still one fan hoping for a romantic relationship between Zero and Yuuki (no matter their actual relationship within the manga), the Zeki ship will exist. Ships can even continue after a manga has reached it’s conclusion; through fan-fiction, drawings, video tributes and so on.
These sorts of things don't even have to relate to the actual story; they're just really fun!
It’s an entirely different question to ask about ships than it is to ask about the likelihood of a relationship within the manga. Perhaps a better question to ask was this:Within the story itself, is the potential for a romantic relationship between Zero and Yuuki ‘over’?
I’ll assume that this is the question Sweetsolace had intended with this thread. Bearing in mind, however, that this thread was initially created towards the conclusion of 2011. So it would have been back when things were still tense (well…tenser
) between them, and before Zero and Yuuki became ‘allies’.
Whether it’s romantic or not, I feel it’s safe to assume that Zero definitely still feels something for Yuuki. Like in Chapter 81, which I have referenced below.
This was the first chapter in a while where Zero’s stoic façade began to show cracks. He has recently learned that Kaname was responsible for Shizuka’s release, which led to the massacre of his loved ones. He hates and has sworn revenge on Kaname, who has just slipped through his fingers again like always.
As you would expect, Zero was visibly upset by this. So Zero instinctively reached out and pulled Yuuki close. As he is the one with his arms around her, it’s clear that Zero is the one embracing Yuuki here:
He knows their circumstances, knows that because they are vampire and hunter (and also because he said so himself at their parting during the first arc) they are technically ‘enemies’. But Zero still couldn’t help it; he can’t help the way he feels. Ever since the beginning, Yuuki has been Zero’s source of comfort. Similar to when Yuuki called Kaname ‘her Kaname’ and started to move towards him, we know that Zero hugging Yuuki was also a subconscious sort of reaction for him, because on the very next page Zero then seemed to realize what he was doing, remembered the circumstances that they’re in and pushes her roughly away from him:
So from that I think we can gather that while Zero may not show it on the surface, we now know that his feelings for Yuuki haven’t waned over their past year of separation.
As for Yuuki…. we don’t really know what’s going on in her head about this. What we do know, and what there can be no argument about, is that Yuuki loves Zero. That much is indisputable, because she herself as explicitly thought AND stated this within the manga. She misses their bond, and she wants to reconcile her relationship with Zero. Their previous relationship was a deep friendship, where they were each others’ shoulder to lean on, so to speak. Yuuki was always there for him when he was in physical or emotional pain, and Zero was there to hold and comfort Yuuki when she worried over her loss of memory. If things were to go back to the same way it was with them, then they would merely be good friends and Zero would continue to have those deeper (..and perhaps unrequited? We don’t know) feelings for Yuuki.
Though Yuuki may say she wants to return to exactly how they once were, I don’t think this is possible (even if they do become friends again). It would be different because Yuuki now knows that Zero once had romantic feelings for her (which she was entirely oblivious about before). He hugged and then kissed her, so it was pretty obvious. What Yuuki may not realize is that he loves her that way still.
But as I said, we don’t know. We’ll just have to keep waiting for the next VK installment each month and see how things pan out between them. While there’s no evidence to claim that Yuuki definitely has some deeper feelings for Zero buried within her heart, there is also no way to deny the possibility. Therefore, there is still potential for ‘Zeki’ to get together.
Sure, it may seem unlikely to a lot of Yume supporters, especially when you consider that VK may be coming to its conclusion. There are only so many more chapters to be published, and it’s a common argument that there is not enough time for any sort of deeper relationship to develop between them. But because we don’t have a definite number of chapters, we can only guess at VK’s duration. And while I enjoy reading Yume moments in recent chapters, I also find Zeki moments just as interesting. Even though Yuuki’s attachment to Zero is rather ambiguous, there is still that aspect of ‘forbidden love’ were she ever to return his feelings.
Yuuki Kuran is a Pureblood vampire
Zero Kiryu, while also a lesser ‘Level D’ vampire, is primarily a Vampire Hunter
who carries a profound grudge against purebloods.
Many users on this forum know that when I first joined, I was a hardcore Zeki fan. It’s that vampire / vampire hunter combination that appealed to me personally so much in the past. It’s a contradiction, really. On the surface, you wouldn’t think it could ever work. Like that ‘lion and the lamb’ analogy, where one has reason to go against the other, and where they are on opposing sides. There is a lot more to it in Yuuki and Zero’s case, but that’s the general gist of it.
(This somewhat applies to Yume right now as well, since they’re technically on ‘opposing sides’ at the moment, yet still ‘together’ so maybe that’s why I’ve grown to really like Yume in recent chapters
Remember that this is all hypothetical, of course. Yuuki and Zero aren’t a couple. So far, they are only allies. They aren’t even friends yet. This is mere speculation on my part.
But it’s human (or in this case ‘vampire’
) nature to want what we can’t have. And it’s those ‘impossible’ kinds of relationships that can be so intriguing.
But the thing about ‘star-crossed lovers’ is that they hardly ever get their way. So even if Yuuki somehow comes to an unexpected revelation that some part of her heart as always loved Zero as more than a friend, things never seem to go right for Zero
He has such a sad history; so many terrible things have happened to him already in his life, and he is only 18 years old!
My biggest fear in VK is that Zero never gets any semblance of a happy ending
There will always be fans of Vampire Knight who like the idea of Zero and Yuuki becoming a couple, and there is still potential for Zero and Yuuki's relationship to evolve. As long as these two things are true, the Zeki ship isn’t over. I think the Zeki ship will be sticking around for a while to come.
Because it’s the absurdity and near impossibility of Yuuki and Zero ever being together as lovers which makes the thought so appealing…and, well, hot
(Also, as a side note, I'm sorry that this post is so long-winded. I hadn't intended for it to get so long, but it's like how I am in everyday life; once I start talking, I just go on and on and on
Sorry in advance if I've said anything to upset anyone. These are just my thoughts on the matter right now. If anyone responds to my post quickly, I'll try to answer as soon as possible but it may be a while because tonight is my last night of internet access for a whole week
So if I don't reply straight away, it's only because I'm not here
Last edited by Kara on Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:51 pm; edited 2 times in total (Reason for editing : Lots and lots of grammatical errors...)