this is pretty off topic. The thread discusses the morality of hunters, not morality of Kaname or the purebloods
I would have been off topic if I discussed Kuran's Eye color. This topic discusses issues about the moral of the Hunters. To make comparisons between them and Kuran goes hand in hand.
The OP her/himself made a comparison, so how am I off topic?
the hunters actions and intentions are clear and we can make judgment based on that. But Kaname's isn't, IMO his actions are only on the surface level.
I think it is weird not to judge Kuran, just because we don't know his final goal. It's his actions that speak louder than words.
Don't misunderstand me, the Hunters are not better, but also not worse than him. Also, the end doesn't justify the means at all.
IMO its probably not even in their job description to butt in vampire business, they are wasting time gossiping about their leader who has a more peaceful approach than them and talking about vampire business.
Why isn't it the hunters business to interfere if their purpose is to protect humans against vampires? if something is happening on the vampire-side that could in the end endanger the humans, they would be stupid not to poke that issue and try to get to the bottom of it.
The word coexist means to be able to exist in one place, together, in harmony, without the vampires eating the humans. IMO Kaien's idea was to make a place where this can happen, and where the idea of vampires existence can still be concealed.
However coexistence also means To live in peace with another or others despite differences.
It is irresponsible that Kaien would not inform the humans, especially their parents. You know how the girls are throwing them self at the vampires and that especially Aido has not the best control over his urge.
From this you can say its pretty futile for humans to know vampire existence, as the real problem of coexistence lies in vampire nature
Coexistence without the other party's consent is wasted time. They don't even interact with each other. So how could that even happen? Without the human girls waiting at the gates for them, the vampires wouldn't even see them. If they don't consciously spend time with each other, to know about the other person and to be able to see past their differences, how could it work?
The vampires are just in Cross academy, because of Kuran, not because they want to.
This Coexistence-experiment is faulty and can't function like that.
Or if they arm themselves to the teeth upon knowing their existence, what the hell was the use of "peaceful" coexistence when humans have weapons to defend themselves
Vampires are weapons them self and know everything about this experiment, the humans don't even get a chance to know .
If you can't meet each other on equal grounds to get to know each other then why open such a school?
the attack on the academy made by Rido would be proof against this. He had every opportunity to take Yuki and escape, but he stayed to defend the humans thru the night class and even allowed Yuki to stay back and defend the school against his wishes.
To defend the school, the little save-haven for Yuuki, is logical. Yuuki was sealed by Juri to become a human and loose her memory. Without that, this school wouldn't exist in the first place. Kaien became obsessed with Juri and fulfilled her dream with the help of Kaname. This played right into the hands of Kuran to protect her under his watchful eye.
If he just fled, the respect of his subjects would have been destroyed and he would have looked like a coward in front of all.
time and again Kaname had defended humans throughout his stay in the academy, discreetly, thru ordering the night class to slay level E's as well as arresting vampires causing mischief to the humans in the school.
If the humans would have known that, then they could be grateful.
Its actually impossible to say that he doesn't care, as one of the purpose he agreed to stay in the academy is to practice coexistence as agreed together with Kaien---in short he must watch over humans . In fact, I believe he had done that job more than Kaien ever did. Not just to protect Yuki.
You said it. He MUST protect humans. With this, he automatically protects the school and with that Yuuki. In the end it's still all for her.
If he is even remotely racist I don't think he would give him his blood or try to court Yuki as a human openly and in public. Humans inferior than vampires. If he is racist he wouldn't talk to the humans or have anything to do with them. He would crush them under his foot and laugh about it, obviously he did none of these.
You forget that Yuuki even though sealed, remains a pureblood, and Kuran knows that. To act haughtily polite in the front of the humans is for the sake of Yuuki.
If he is racist he wouldn't talk to the humans or have anything to do with them. He would crush them under his foot and laugh about it, obviously he did none of these.
If he behaved that way he would shoot himself in the foot. To play along is essential to keep this charade up and Yuuki save. The vampires follow Kuran's example, without his strict behavior the vampires would act like bulls in a china shop and Yuuki's safety were endangered.
I have to say that racist was not a good word to choose. I'm sorry, English is not my native language. It's his views on superior and inferior individuals that contradicts his strive for coexistence and equality.Especially with humans who are at the end of the food chain.
His ways are more clear cut and deliberate. He is a vampire and understanding vampire nature means it includes domination and superior-inferior, this is commonly seen especially in vampire folklore, vampires either belongs to clans or they're not. Pureblood power to control others reinforces this idea--Kaname is a pureblood and it would be stupid, really, to see him not doing anything remotely like this. Especially since he is a Kuran. But does he control others? No, he leads them through his name and authority as pureblood. The vampire leader in this case, rules thru strength of blood and power and the others will follow, naturally this is the same with the hunters. The night class joined him because he was a different pureblood.
I never said that it is a negative, if you want to be a king or Demi-god. It becomes a problem if you support an equal-coexistence idea between humans and vampires, out of love for a girl and not for the cause itself. How is it possible to treat little humans as equals if it is not present in your own society, with far stronger subjects?
how do you think a pureblood king should act? Like Takuma? its unrealistic
Kaname behaves like an absolute king and does what he pleases in order to get what he wants. This is not my idea of a king.
Well it wouldn't be possible for Takuma to be king in the first place, because he is not a pureblood. Like I said, in this caste-system lies the problem. To combine this with the modern notion of coexistence is crazy.
you "take it for what it is" but you have already drawn a swift conclusion based on that and still say you love Kuran? this must be a joke..
I like the character Kuran, not because he is a one-dimensional cutout, who acts lovey-dovey all night long. He is one of my favorite characters because he is an interesting and ambiguous tri-dimensional character with faults.
I'm clearly confused though, how you think Yuki is still wearing those "rose colored eyeglasses" when she had obviously shown tons of times that she knows what Kaname is doing (Zero had even emphasized how many kills he had made by narrating it ) and she decided to continue believing, even when Zero points his gun at her
You answered the question yourself. No matter what he does, she blindly believes in him. Ok, to trust the one you love is one thing, but not even to question his actions, that go against your own independent believe, is a whole other story. I would like her to just confront him already, and show that she is not one of his puppets to be ordered around.
I admit, it was very brave of her to ignore his orders to stay back in the house, while he does his business. However she still does it behind his back. I hope there will be a big confrontation between them.
I think that Kuran could become open-minded enough to reach for coexistence, but without the pressure and shallow reasons he wouldn't have given his consent to Kaien's faulty and half-baked plans for Cross academy. His mind was always on Yuuki and her safety and not on the human/vampire interaction and coexistence. It was just to early for this idea to be realized. Before that they should have taken care of establishing coexistence and equality between the different vampire levels(What seems hard to realize). Kuran should also overcome his superiority complex.
That the hunters are against Kaien's lunacy explains itself.