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    How do you think Vampire Knight is going to end?

    Post by Reannae on Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:19 pm

    How do you think Vampire Knight is going to end?
    AND/OR
    How do you want Vampire Knight to end?
    (Or, are you like me and hope it doesn't end?)

    Anxious to hear your replies!!
    Much love.

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    Re: How do you think Vampire Knight is going to end?

    Post by zeroyuuki666 on Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:31 pm

    It doesn't end and if it does i want yuukito be with zero don't care about Kaname at all

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    Re: How do you think Vampire Knight is going to end?

    Post by Lisi on Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:58 pm

    What? It will definitely end... 'cause Matsuri HIno knows the end. NO end would be better though. xD
    I dunno. I think Yuki will end up with Zero and Kaname will die. I'm a pessimist.
    BUT I HOPE SHE WILL END UP WITH KANAME. Very Happy
    And there will be a Wedding chapter like someone wrote. haha!

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    Post by zeroyuuki666 on Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:17 pm

    LOLS yeah well she going to end up with zero i can feel it she gets tired of Kaname somewhere in the story who wouldn't get tired of him though is my ? lol

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    Re: How do you think Vampire Knight is going to end?

    Post by Lisi on Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:16 pm

    haha
    I think Kaname is more interesting than zero...
    He has so much to tell and he is intelligent and beautiful. And little bit evil. wub

    Kaname isn't the problem, it's yuki. ;)
    who wouldn't get tired of YUKI? :don't speak:

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    Re: How do you think Vampire Knight is going to end?

    Post by zeroyuuki666 on Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:41 pm

    True on all of that i think kaname has an evil plan on something but im not sure i would rather yuuki be with zero just for that fact right there

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    Re: How do you think Vampire Knight is going to end?

    Post by aiko on Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:23 pm

    I want Kaname to live and then be with Yuuki. A gorgeous wedding chapter would be fantastic. I'm really hoping for this.

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    Re: How do you think Vampire Knight is going to end?

    Post by Akaruisama on Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:29 pm

    aiko wrote:I want Kaname to live and then be with Yuuki. A gorgeous wedding chapter would be fantastic. I'm really hoping for this.

    I also want it but reading your posts I began to doubt if there is something like wedding in vampire society?

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    Re: How do you think Vampire Knight is going to end?

    Post by Bloodredhead on Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:35 pm

    aiko wrote:I want Kaname to live and then be with Yuuki. A gorgeous wedding chapter would be fantastic. I'm really hoping for this.

    I hope for a wonderful wedding for Yume too!!!

    Oooo i so want an invite to it! Will be the event of the century!!!

    I also hope that Zero accepts himself as a vampire and becomes the HA president. I'd like to see him happy with someone like Maria at the end but i dont think we have enough time for a full developed romance right now. But i do hope for a hint that in the future he can find someone. And if there are no options i am always available for him I'll treat him well!

    I see some heart ache along the way though to this. I have a bad feeling that Takuma and Kaien will die. I also think Kain may die protecting Ruka too. Though i'm hopeing none do.


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    Re: How do you think Vampire Knight is going to end?

    Post by aiko on Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:36 pm

    It would be such a huge let down and tremendously disappointing if Kaname perishes. All this build up and struggle by Kaname for a sacrifice?? No, I do not want such an ending!!! Kaname is beautiful, intelligent, and mysterious, and I want him to succeed in his struggles and be victorious. I want him to fight and conquer his despair and meloncholia. As a leading character of VK, If Kaname chooses to sacrifice and give up on living, this would NOT be the message that fits with the message of VK in my opinion. It's about time that Yuuki fights for Kaname and seeks to actively protect him and show her love for the alluring
    and faithful Kaname!!!

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    Post by Bloodredhead on Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:42 pm

    aiko wrote:It would be such a huge let down and tremendously disappointing if Kaname perishes. All this build up and struggle by Kaname for a sacrifice?? No, I do not want such an ending!!! Kaname is beautiful, intelligent, and mysterious, and I want him to succeed in his struggles and be victorious. I want him to fight and conquer his despair and meloncholia. As a leading character of VK, If Kaname chooses to sacrifice and give up on living, this would NOT be the message that fits with the message of VK in my opinion. It's about time that Yuuki fights for Kaname and seeks to actively protect him and show her love for the alluring
    and faithful Kaname!!!

    Aiko i'm with you all the way on that. For kaname to go through all that and not have his happiness would be criminal really!!!


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    Re: How do you think Vampire Knight is going to end?

    Post by Akaruisama on Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:56 pm

    aiko wrote:It would be such a huge let down and tremendously disappointing if Kaname perishes. All this build up and struggle by Kaname for a sacrifice?? No, I do not want such an ending!!! Kaname is beautiful, intelligent, and mysterious, and I want him to succeed in his struggles and be victorious. I want him to fight and conquer his despair and meloncholia. As a leading character of VK, If Kaname chooses to sacrifice and give up on living, this would NOT be the message that fits with the message of VK in my opinion. It's about time that Yuuki fights for Kaname and seeks to actively protect him and show her love for the alluring
    and faithful Kaname!!!

    Despite of my thought about Kaname being in too deep despair to live furthermore, I feel in the same way. Kaname simply can't die! He is too wonderful! And it would be to selfish to leave Yuuki side for him, because in that case she would stay alone like he before meeting of hooded woman. She would spend her extremely long life alone. It's possible Kaname want this cruel fate for her?

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    Post by caela on Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:33 am

    I think I figured it out. SERIOUS. I was almost angry when I put the pieces together because I don't think there is any point in me reading the manga anymore (This is my version of Kaname's plan for endgame).

    Spoiler:
    I'm really serious. Last chance for not ruining all of Vampire Knight for yourself. I'm letting you have it on the next spoiler bounce bounce

    Spoiler:
    The problem with Vampire Knight is that you have two groups with opposite goals: The Vampire council and the Hunter Association. They will never agree on anything because it is in their best self interest to be enemies: they represent very different groups. The humans and the hunters, at their worst want vampire blood. The worst of the vampires want human blood slaves. Kaname is attacking purebloods right now, and he will be attacking the Hunters in the future to even the power playing field. This is not a permanent solution though.

    The solution is THE VAMPIRE KNIGHT: someone who is both a vampire and a HUNTER. The solution is ZERO.

    Right now Zero hates vampires and his vampire self, but when he accepts both halves of being a hunter and a vampire, he can impartially be a leader of both races, and he also will have the strength to control both sides if needed. There will no longer be the corruption of the council or the association because Zero already is an example of being the best of both worlds: the strongest vampire, and strongest hunter. Human blood or vampire blood cannot tempt him because all he would need is a pureblood spouse (and I guess pills).

    I didn't explain his power yet:

    Zero right now is not a normal hunter vampire, he has pureblood powers. I don't think this is normal, even for drinking alot of Kuran blood.

    The reason why he has these powers is because he drank YUUKI's blood. As a human, no memory spells worked on Yuuki. As a human, her blood tasted better than other human blood to vampires. She is not an ordinary Pureblood: Her blood makes other vampires into purebloods. This is why Rido targeted six year old Yuuki and not her pureblooded parents (even the one Rido is in love with) or brother.

    This is why Kaname wanted to kill Zero when Zero first drank Yuuki's blood and why Kaname had almost no reaction to Aidou drinking Yuuki's blood. Aidou drank very little and Kaname did not want to tip Aidou off. Zero drank alot and Kaname had to make a decision right there: He made the decision to use Zero for his plans. Apparently, it takes alot of Yuuki's blood to make you into a pureblood.

    When Zero broke out of the blood bond with Shizuka Hio, it was because Shizuka was attacking Yuuki. HE WAS ABLE TO BREAK THE SHIZUKA BOND BECAUSE YUUKI'S BLOOD IS STRONGER.

    This is why Kaname put the brakes on his relationship with Yuuki: never had sex with her for the ENTIRE YEAR of living together (chapter 65). Kaname romantically loves Yuuki, but he is planning on using Yuuki and Zero to make a new master race.

    Kaname is even stronger in the current chapter 75, controlling the movements of another pureblood, Touma. He was drinking Yuuki's blood.

    If Yuuki became too powerful, Kaname will have a harder time controlling what Yuuki would do. More powers for Yuuki = the more she will put herself at risk for other people, increasing the odds of her capture or death. That's why he has her dependant on drinking blood and not blood tablets, and why she was never taught to fight with pureblood spells.

    I'm insisting that Yuuki's blood makes people into purebloods, because otherwise, there is no way to ensure that Zero's kids could be as strong as their parents. If they are not as strong as their parents, then Kaname's solution is not a permanent one. Being a pureblood also is part of Zero's future authority.

    i.e., Zero was not born a pureblood, in order for his kids to be purebloods, Yuuki's blood must be able to make Zero into a pureblood. Normally, only two purebloods together can make pureblood children.

    This is a thanks section because I used other people's ideas/observations from this forum
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    Last thought
    Spoiler:
    This is not exactly the ending, this is Kaname's plan. Something is bound to go wrong. That's why this is called a tragedy. Also, I don't any clue about the end of the major love triangle. Yes, so I suppose there is still a reason for me to buy the manga Smile




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    Re: How do you think Vampire Knight is going to end?

    Post by soulkeeper_pol on Wed Sep 28, 2011 5:52 am

    @caela
    I was really so excited to click on your spoilers because I've been racking my brain on what Kaname's plans are and I've come up with nothing. I thought I was going to be able to read some great insight to the story. So right now I'm just very dissapointed. It was a "shipping post" after all.

    It's really hard to discuss rationally when it comes to LTs because its hard to come up with an idea tht opposes ones ship. *sigh* I should have stuck with Fairy Tail. *bangs head on wall*

    The problem with Vampire Knight is that you have two groups with opposite goals: The Vampire council and the Hunter Association. They will never agree on anything because it is in their best self interest to be enemies: they represent very different groups. The humans and the hunters, at their worst want vampire blood. The worst of the vampires want human blood slaves. Kaname is attacking purebloods right now, and he will be attacking the Hunters in the future to even the power playing field. This is not a permanent solution though.
    The council is GONE. And the hunters are nothing without their weapons. It was Kaname and HW who gave them the power to fight vampires. Thoust giveth can taketh.

    The solution is THE VAMPIRE KNIGHT: someone who is both a vampire and a HUNTER. The solution is ZERO.
    You know I did agree with you here and I was really excited to know your idea on how to make Zero the solution. But then... *bangs head on wall three times*

    Right now Zero hates vampires and his vampire self, but when he accepts both halves of being a hunter and a vampire, he can impartially be a leader of both races, and he also will have the strength to control both sides if needed. There will no longer be the corruption of the council or the association because Zero already is an example of being the best of both worlds: the strongest vampire, and strongest hunter. Human blood or vampire blood cannot tempt him because all he would need is a pureblood spouse (and I guess pills).
    Not bad.

    Zero right now is not a normal hunter vampire, he has pureblood powers. I don't think this is normal, even for drinking alot of Kuran blood.

    The reason why he has these powers is because he drank YUUKI's blood. As a human, no memory spells worked on Yuuki. As a human, her blood tasted better than other human blood to vampires. She is not an ordinary Pureblood: Her blood makes other vampires into purebloods. This is why Rido targeted six year old Yuuki and not her pureblooded parents (even the one Rido is in love with) or brother.
    This was where you started to loose me and I'm not going to quote anything else you said after this because they make less sense than the above statement. If a pureblood hunter is what you are looking for, and what can bring about coexistence, you already have LOTS. We have Kaname who is a pureblood who kills purebloods. We have Sara who probably killed Ouri. And then in the past HW too who gave up her own life to bring about the hunter weapons. Not to mention that Yuuki has already offered to become the "grim reaper" and she has Artemis too :p

    Anyway, if Kaname really wanted to create a human pureblood why not choose Kaien? He already loves yuuki as his child and will protect her. He is already immortal and quite powerful so that should help. He would probably drink blood from the wrist and not from the neck which could lessen Kaame's jealousy factor. He already is the leader of of the hunters too. So why choose someone as unstable as Zero?

    As for the rest of your post... I imagined VK turning into some sci-fi comedy. Zero becoming a pureblood? As a Zero fan how can you even digest that?

    Anyway, sorry for the tone, but I really had high hopes for this theory so I was not in the mood to be diplomatic.


    Edit: quoted the wrong paragraph


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    Re: How do you think Vampire Knight is going to end?

    Post by caela on Wed Sep 28, 2011 5:55 am

    http://vampireknight.all-up.com/t255p230-who-is-best-for-yuuki-kaname-or-zero#17382

    Zero already is showing pureblood powers. My post is on the last page of the above thread

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    Post by soulkeeper_pol on Wed Sep 28, 2011 5:59 am

    @caela
    So? even if Zero had pureblood powers it doesnt make him a pureblood. So maybe he overdosed on pureblood drinking, having had drunk blood from Shizuka (thru Kaname and Ichiru) Kaname and Yuuki. Doesnt mean Yuuki's blood will make him a pureblood.

    Theres a huge difference from having pureblood powers to being a pureblood. Disappointing really.

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    Post by caela on Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:10 am

    Kaname would not be risking all that he has if his solution was not permanent. That means that Zero would have to have children that are as powerful as purebloods and the strongest hunters. They need ultimate power to police everybody else.

    Since Zero wasn't born a pureblood, Kaname must know of a way to make Zero one. I'm betting that the element missing is Yuuki.

    (I did not make a shipper theory. Zero just needs to be married to a pureblood, it doesn't have to be Yuuki. Yuuki only has to be the agent of Zero's transformation, also there is no way that Yuuki is just a pureblood.)

    Kaname can't play that role because he can't represent both the Hunters and Vampires. The Hunters would not accept him as their leader. Zero is the one with the Hunter lineage. No one else in VK can play Zero's role right now.

    (Kaien Cross does have the hunter background but he had a role in choosing Zero for the future presidency. Cross doesn't want to be used.)

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    Post by soulkeeper_pol on Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:33 am

    Kaname would not be risking all that he has if his solution was not permanent. That means that Zero would have to have children that are as powerful as purebloods and the strongest hunters. To keep everyone else in check.
    And how sure is Kaname that Zero's children will not turn out to be little Ridos? Blind faith? Why would Kaname be killing purebloods while planning to make a hunter a pureblood at the same time when the results are so uncertain?

    About Kaien. Its not being used. Its about mutual benefit.

    And I agree no one can take Zero's role. But right now I think he has a better role than what you are thinking of giving him.

    And if its not a "shipper theory" then dont degrade Zero's purpose just to make him the father of Yuuki's children.


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    Post by caela on Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:48 am

    Controlling possible Rido-offspring: In the ancestor thread, the theory is that Rido is a result by rape by the Hio family (explaining his madness and his blue eye). He wasn't a result of the regular Kuran incest which seems to make for balanced happy people (Juuri, Haruka, Yuuki)

    I can't vouch for the theory because I never got into all the ancestor hints of VK.

    I'll look for the link.

    But supposing the above is true, I guess incest would be the way to go.

    BTW: I'm trying to channel Kaname here. Degrading Zero would be how Kaname would think about it.

    Also, consider chapter 46 (Kaname let Yuuki and Zero say goodbye to each other with privacy, results in the kiss and the last bite).
    Kaname leaving Yuuki with a habit of not taking pills but drinking blood. Then he abandoned her.

    What did Kaname, the mastermind, expect from the above situations? He is throwing her at Zero. I might happen to be a Zeki, but that doesn't mean that Kaname isn't doing his own version of Yume sabatoge.

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    Post by soulkeeper_pol on Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:24 am

    Controlling possible Rido-offspring: In the ancestor thread, the theory is that Rido is a result by rape by the Hio family (explaining his madness and his blue eye). He wasn't a result of the regular Kuran incest which seems to make for balanced happy people (Juuri, Haruka, Yuuki)
    Huh? The Rido arc is way over. If such was the case wouldn't have Hino already stated that out? Children are not expected to always follow their parents footsteps. For Kaname to place all his bets on something such as this is just not plausible.

    Also, consider chapter 46 (Kaname let Yuuki and Zero say goodbye to each other with privacy, results in the kiss and the last bite).
    Kaname leaving Yuuki with a habit of not taking pills but drinking blood. Then he abandoned her.

    What did Kaname, the mastermind, expect from the above situations? He is throwing her at Zero. I might happen to be a Zeki, but that doesn't mean that Kaname isn't doing his own version of Yume sabatoge.
    Kaname never threw Yuuki at Zero. He only allowed Zero to be an extension of his arm because Zero was already there. It was not his intention for Zero to drink from Yuuki in fact he was so upset about it but since it happened he used it to his advantage. Kaname is not a god. He makes a lot of mistakes which is why he has to change his plans from time to time.

    And how is Kaname allowing Yuuki to say goodbye to Zero as "throwing" her at Zero. Was that not a move of complete devotion and trust? Kaname knows a part of Yuuki is attached to Zero and Kaname knows Zero loves Yuuki. Allowing them to say goodbye to each other is being HUMAN.

    And Kaname does not want for Yuuki to feed on blood tablets because he knows it will not be enough for her. She already cannot be satisfied fully by Kaname's blood alone because of her attachment. Letting her feed on the tablets when Kaname is so willing to give his blood is plain moronic. It's like saying, I love you, I'm here, why hug a pillow when you can have me?



    Anyway...

    The story you posted originally sounds like this: Kaname plans to make Yuuki into his research lab so he can create a machine gun (namely zero) for the purpose of the coexistence. Zero's role will forever be Kaname's machine gun and he will learn to accept this as his fate eventually. That he is just a tool. But wait there's more. Kaname also plans to make little machine guns out of Zero by using once again his Yuuki laboratory. And so the machine gun and the laboratory lives happily ever after as Kaname's tools.

    I'm not a Zero fan, but I like Zero enough to hate that story. I do believe that Zero will have a very important role in VK and he might really be the one to bring about the coexistence. But it should be something that surprises even Kaname. Right now, I dont believe Kaname trusts Zero to accept his vampire side. He trusts him not to harm Yuuki and maybe to protect her, but to fight for the coexistence? No. But my dream for Zero will be for him to finally accept his love for Yuuki and fight for her. His goal will never be the coexistence of humans and vampires because that is Kaname and Yuuki's goal. Not Zero's. Never Zero's. But Yuuki should do something really redeeming (which I have no idea what at the moment) which will make Zero accept her and himself. And he will fight for the coexistence not because it is his goal but for this person who made him want to live. Yuuki. And he wants to preserve this world that Yuuki is fighting for. If he gets more power ups than he already has from both Yuuki and Kaname then this will just diminish his role. Right now Zero is growing. Instead of him biting Yuuki, he lets Yuuki drink from him. It's a step. Him becoming a pureblood will be like moving a thousand step backwards.



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    Re: How do you think Vampire Knight is going to end?

    Post by caela on Wed Sep 28, 2011 8:28 am

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    [Zero] becoming a pureblood will be like moving a thousand step backwards.

    Zero hates purebloods. Changing Zero (without his knowledge or permission) to a pureblood is not a step backwards but a way to confront Zero's hate. Not that that is the reason to do it, but I don't see how it is any steps back. Changing Yuuki to a human, yes, a step back. Changing Zero to a human, yes, a step back.

    I don't know your understanding of how Kaname views Zero. It is not a warm and fuzzy relationship. Kaname prefers to leave Zero in the dark and tell Zero the bare minimum of information so that all of their dealings are close to, but not quite, manipulation.

    Showing Kaname's low level of respect towards Zero: (1) The first time Kaname gave blood to Zero, it involved Kaname roughing Zero up first. (2) Accusing Zero of a bite attack on a day class student when Zero already was biting Yuuki, the girl he loves, (so the accusation does not make sense) and Kaname knew this.

    Kaname has little reason to dislike Zero so much. Most of what Zero would do to Yuuki, Kaname knew before it happened and could have prevented it. So why all the hatred towards Zero? Because Kaname doesn't want to give up Yuuki but plans to do so. Kaname shows his inner conflict with his own plan by treating Zero poorly and by promising Yuuki a romantic relationship with himself and later on abandoning her. These are not normal changes of plans for Kaname: He doesn't want to go through with some plan of his own and I am guessing his plan involves shipping Zeki.

    Back to Zero's free will:

    Kaname is definitely not trying to give the option of free will to Zero. Kaname does not like Zero, he likes Yuuki. It will be Zero's challenge to accept Kaname's plan or to run away from everything or to find a new solution or to negotiate Zero's own conditions for agreeing. I'm trying to figure out Kaname's plan, not real endgame.

    Another possible hitch in the plan is that Kaname actually loves Yuuki and never force her decision. If she were to choose Kaname for endgame, Kaname would find a replacement pureblood for Zero. (and who knows what Zero would do if that happened) That is why I said that my theory is not a SHIPPING theory. The choice in the love triangle is still Yuuki's and maybe some Zero rejecting this forced situation. The only one shipping here is Kaname. See next section.

    *******
    Letting her feed on the tablets when Kaname is so willing to give his blood is plain moronic.

    Not being to live off of blood pills as a vampire is a weakness. Yuuki's habit of drinking blood is dangerous because she might bite a human like Yori and cause an incident. Yuuki is trying to be a vampire leader right now.

    For Kaname to deliberately not train Yuuki to be on blood pills is at worst sabatoge and at best crippling. He also never taught her any pureblood spells for a whole year.

    Why did he do this? Ancestor theory time: Yuuki is a reincarnation of the ancestress of the Kuran clan. This ancestress sacrificed her life against Kaname's wishes. Kaname is afraid that the newer Yuuki will follow in the same footsteps. Keeping Yuuki less powerful and less mobile (having limited people to drink from limits how far you can travel and how much trouble you can get into) avoids Yuuki the same fate as the ancestress.

    The only direct proof that Yuuki is a reincarnation is chapter 35: Kaname just bit her for the first time, and is about to give his blood to Yuuki. He says: please yuuki, only you. And then he gives her his blood.

    back to the main point:

    Who is a vampire and is trustworthy enough to ask for blood from? Aidou, Zero,....maybe others. Who actually owes her blood? Zero.

    Kaname knows this and still abandoned her. Yuuki is the one who said, "Taint me" to Kaname. She would have been willing to take part of Kaname's killing spree. Kaname chose not to take her knowing that leaves her with few other options for blood. That's why I said he is throwing her at Zero.

    **************

    Kaname is not a god. He makes a lot of mistakes which is why he has to change his plans from time to time.
    .....
    Huh? The Rido arc is way over. If such was the case wouldn't have Hino already stated that out? Children are not expected to always follow their parents footsteps. For Kaname to place all his bets on something such as this is just not plausible.

    Hino-san is not secretive? She states things out? We aren't reading the same manga.

    I had to tell you that Zero has pureblood powers. Do you know why? Because no character in the manga ever directly said, "Zero has pureblood powers." We are forced to squint and reread for every real clue in the manga.

    About the Rido again:

    Kaname is still around and he is an immortal. He might be planning on living forever and being the final check on his own plan.

    All else I can say is that all plans, given enough time, will fail. Nothing Kaname is planning is fool-proof.

    I would actually argue that Kaname has only made two mistakes so far in 75 chapters: (1) Yuuki broke through her memory too soon and too close to Rido's attack and that forced him to change plans and make Yuuki a vampire sooner than he was ready, (2) He underestimated Zero's pureblood hatred and did not expect any guns to be pointed at Yuuki. Notice that Kaname wanted to kill Zero at this point and restart plans from scratch.

    I'd say his track record is pretty good.

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    Re: How do you think Vampire Knight is going to end?

    Post by soulkeeper_pol on Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:38 am

    Not being to live off of blood pills as a vampire is a weakness. Yuuki's habit of drinking blood is dangerous because she might bite a human like Yori and cause an incident. Yuuki is trying to be a vampire leader right now.

    For Kaname to deliberately not train Yuuki to be on blood pills is at worst sabatoge and at best crippling. He also never taught her any pureblood spells for a whole year.
    Well you forgot something. He was not supposed to leave Yuuki before he changed his mind. They were supposed to be always together. He was supposed to be always there for her. And anyway, blood tablets are NOT vampire food. They are just replacement for blood for people who have no one to suck blood off from. As Yuuki's lover it was Kaname's role to feed her and not to train her to abstain.

    Anyway, one does not have to get used to drinking blood tablets. Just because you dont take it all the time doesnt mean it wont work. The reason the blood tablets are not working for Yuuki is because of her emotional situation. Just like when the blood tablets where not enough for Kaname when he lost Yuuki (after Juuri turned Yuuki human). Kaname was gulping so many blood tablets but it couldnt quench his hunger. And when he was thirsting for Yuuki back when Yuuki visited the dorm, he was forced to drink from Ruka. He could have turned Ruka away and chewed on blood tablets instead. So I guess being unable to accept blood tablets is more or less related to their emotional state.

    As for the spells? What spells? I've never seen Kaname chant anything. Pureblood power is inherent. Even in nobles. You see Aidou and Kain training? No they just study books. You see Takuma ever practice sword fighting? Not really. In fact have you ever seen a vampire training? No right?

    Anyway, I dont like to use theories to back up another theory. Its best to use whats already stated in the manga instead.

    Zero hates purebloods. Changing Zero (without his knowledge or permission) to a pureblood is not a step backwards but a way to confront Zero's hate. Not that that is the reason to do it, but I don't see how it is any steps back. Changing Yuuki to a human, yes, a step back. Changing Zero to a human, yes, a step back.
    Why? You think it will help Zero confront his hatred by being turned into a pureblood against his will? So he comes to accept being a vampire and *tadah* now he is pureblood. The thing he hates the most. Stop torturing the poor thing. Always, things happen against his will. Always he becomes the victim. Come-on, for once dont you want to see Zero have a role where in he stands up for himself instead of being dragged by Kaname like a dog in chains?



    Kaname is definitely not trying to give the option of free will to Zero.
    You give Zero too much credit in the eyes of Kaname. It's true Kaname does not care much for Zero. But right now I dont think he is even looking at him.


    Hino-san is not secretive? She states things out? We aren't reading the same manga.
    Well I'm reading Vampire Knight by Hino Matsuri. I dont know about you. Are you?

    Manga story has arcs. It is true that sometimes minor details from past story arcs are reused in future plots but major details are already revealed during their corresponding arc lines. Like how Zero's story was revealed during the Shizuka arc and how Kaname and Yuuki's childhood is revealed during the Rido arc. So unless we go back to the Rido arc, that's how it goes. And even if there was a remote possibility that the Rido arc is not yet done, Rido being a half-Kuran will not change the fact the Zero's kids are not 100% gonna follow in their parents footsteps. So its moot.

    I would actually argue that Kaname has only made two mistakes so far in 75 chapters
    Really? Originally Kaname wanted to sacrifice his life to make Yuuki human forever. He didnt consider the possibility that other purebloods might have already figured out her existence. Thus he had to turn her into a vampire instead of fixing Juuri's spell. And then there is Zero. You think he intentionally wanted Zero to be feeding off Yuuki? Just because he was able to use it to his advantage doesnt mean he wanted it in the first place. And even then, his using Zero had a major drawback. As you said it didnt help Yume at all. It made Yuuki attached to Zero even when Kaname decided to claim Yuuki. And I'm sure I can think of so many other things. It just so happens that when Kaname makes mistakes, he turns it around to his advantage. He doesnt give up. And that's why he is the best ^^

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    Re: How do you think Vampire Knight is going to end?

    Post by sweetsolace on Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:45 am

    @Caela
    The problem with Vampire Knight is that you have two groups with
    opposite goals: The Vampire council and the Hunter Association. They
    will never agree on anything because it is in their best self interest
    to be enemies:

    its funny that while you are saying this chapter 75 the current chapter already proved you wrong when the hunters agreed with a pureblood killing all purebloods.

    Aidou drank very little and Kaname did not want to tip Aidou off.
    LOL and this is probably the reason why he has a "Kaname sensor" or he's a genius. Yuki's blood is that nutritious.


    She is not an ordinary Pureblood: Her blood makes other vampires into purebloods.
    ok. So am I to believe that Kaname is now a super Pureblood for having taken her blood several times?


    This is not exactly the ending, this is Kaname's plan. Something is
    bound to go wrong. That's why this is called a tragedy. Also, I don't
    any clue about the end of the major love triangle. Yes, so I suppose
    there is still a reason for me to buy the manga Smile
    at least you know there is nothing permanent in this story Smile lol


    All else I can say is that all plans, given enough time, will fail. Nothing Kaname is planning is fool-proof
    .
    PRECISELY. Nothing is constant EXCEPT CHANGE.


    @topic
    I would not be so sure of anything that is said now will come true. Even the most strongly suggestive themes previously presented in the story have known to have failed due time, and was given another route...and another and another. Hino exploits all tendencies and then crushes them, only to begin another more "ooh" reasoning. We should all know and learn from our past experiences and discussions in this forum, rather than letting emotions guide our reasoning. This is the reason why I don't fully accept the possibility of a Kaname sacrifice theme, it can change and it may not happen. Someone else might die in his place. Or there might not even be death.

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    Re: How do you think Vampire Knight is going to end?

    Post by caela on Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:22 am

    @Caela
    The problem with Vampire Knight is that you have two groups with
    opposite goals: The Vampire council and the Hunter Association. They
    will never agree on anything
    because it is in their best self interest
    to be enemies:

    its funny that while you are saying this chapter 75 the current chapter already proved you wrong when the hunters agreed with a pureblood killing all purebloods.


    Kaname killed the entire vampire council. I guess that counts as Kaname being the new council.

    I am wrong to say "never", I guess throwing parties together means something.


    Aidou drank very little and Kaname did not want to tip Aidou off.

    LOL and this is probably the reason why he has a "Kaname sensor" or he's a genius. Yuki's blood is that nutritious.

    Aidou has a good nose? All the night class nobles smelled new vampire Yuuki chapter 35-36 and knew from her smell she was a pureblood from across campus.

    Listen, I had to take two leaps of faith to form the theory of Kaname's endgame plan.

    (1) Yuuki's blood: I only have how highly valued Rido saw it as and the extreme planning that Haruka and Juuri put into keeping Yuuki a secret, locked in a house and a premeditated plan to turn Yuuki human. Yuuki also is able to break through spells for forgetfullness.

    (soulkeeper: there at least two spells: forgetfulness and turning vampires into humans. It is my assumption that there are combat spells. Juuri is listed there as a talented user of spells)

    http://vampireknight.all-up.com/t618-juri-kuran


    (2) the weirdness of Zero's high power level: Shizuka Hio's ex-human lover was killed by two hunters. Shizuka is a pureblood.

    Shizuka gave alot of her blood to Ichiru so I am assuming that Shizuka and her dead ex-human vampire lover must have exchanged alot of blood
    .

    If it were normal to have pureblood powers from just drinking pureblood as a vampire, then two hunters would be easy to at least evade by Shizuka's lover. Both hunters were able to go home afterwards, so they probably weren't even that injured from killing that vampire.

    I am concluding that something has changed Zero into a pureblood already or he is close to becoming a pureblood Whatever is changing Zero, it is not normal. Especially because the ex-lover of Shizuka died so easily.

    Most of the blood that Zero drank was Yuuki's.

    Zero was a relatively normal vampire before Yuuki became a vampire.

    He had all that power after Yuuki was turned to a vampire.

    My leap of faith was connecting these two points and saying that one caused the other.

    The Hino-distractor: The twin Ichiru's death and Zero eating him was a distraction set up by Kaname for Zero to think that the extra power came from Ichiru. Having the power of two hunters may be impressive, but I don't think that power alone allowed Zero to cut off Kaname's hand in chapter 46.

    The real source of Zero's pureblood-like powers (breaking glass with his mind, cutting off Kaname's hand) is Yuuki's blood. The other example of a ex-human turned vampire who had lots of pureblood, Shizuka Hio's lover, was killed without giving any hint that he was close to a pureblood-in-ability.

    The weakest point in my theory: Bridging the gap from the above to saying Yuuki's blood made Zero into a pureblood is the leap of faith. I'm taking that leap because of the mystery surrounding Yuuki and why she needs so much protection.

    (The other blood in Zero's system is Kaname. Kaname's blood might be special except he has been around for thousands of years: if it were that special, it was a well-kept secret. Also, there is some shizuka blood, it didn't look like it helped the dead lover)

    ok. So am I to believe that Kaname is now a super Pureblood for having taken her blood several times?

    Chapter 75, http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/75/29

    Touma saying, "I have been used by him" means that Kaname had mind control (or at least body control) over Touma, another pureblood. Rido did have a moment of mind control over Yuuki during her fight with him, but she was a new pureblood at the time. Purebloods are supposed to be equals and not have any sort of control over one another except for blood bonds. The trick that killed Touma is supposed to be beyond the ability of your average pureblood.

    (this point I am not so fond of, if you hate it so much, I'll drop it)


    @topic
    I would not be so sure of anything that is said now will come true. Even the most strongly suggestive themes previously presented in the story have known to have failed due time, and was given another route...and another and another. Hino exploits all tendencies and then crushes them, only to begin another more "ooh" reasoning. We should all know and learn from our past experiences and discussions in this forum, rather than letting emotions guide our reasoning. This is the reason why I don't fully accept the Kaname sacrifice theme, it can change and it may not happen. Someone else might die in his place.

    Thanks for the warning to my ego. I still think I have a good theory on Kaname's plans. I'm not expecting Hino-san to ruin the plan, I'm expecting Zero and Yuuki to do it.

    Soulkeeper
    Hino-san is not secretive? She states things out? We aren't reading the same manga
    .

    Well I'm reading Vampire Knight by Hino Matsuri. I dont know about you. Are you?

    Manga story has arcs. It is true that sometimes minor details from past story arcs are reused in future plots but major details are already revealed during their corresponding arc lines. Like how Zero's story was revealed during the Shizuka arc and how Kaname and Yuuki's childhood is revealed during the Rido arc. So unless we go back to the Rido arc, that's how it goes. And even if there was a remote possibility that the Rido arc is not yet done, Rido being a half-Kuran will not change the fact the Zero's kids are not 100% gonna follow in their parents footsteps. So its moot.

    Seriously? all the rudeness you throw at me and you can't take sarcasm?

    ok, can you name a type of government that will be just and keep order? For 10 generations? For 20 generations? Those kind of questions are really hard to solve and I feel like that's the kind of certainty you are asking from the ending. If that question were so easy, Israel, Jordan, Afganistan, Iraq...etc would be easy. I think you are being more stubborn with my theory than is justified.

    I know we both know the mechanics of writing and story arcs. We did just write to each other, alot.

    Let's just agree to disagree on that point.

    Not being to live off of blood pills as a vampire is a weakness. Yuuki's habit of drinking blood is dangerous because she might bite a human like Yori and cause an incident. Yuuki is trying to be a vampire leader right now.

    For Kaname to deliberately not train Yuuki to be on blood pills is at worst sabotage and at best crippling. He also never taught her any pureblood spells for a whole year.

    Well you forgot something. He was not supposed to leave Yuuki before he changed his mind. They were supposed to be always together. He was supposed to be always there for her. And anyway, blood tablets are NOT vampire food. They are just replacement for blood for people who have no one to suck blood off from. As Yuuki's lover it was Kaname's role to feed her and not to train her to abstain.

    Yes, the problem of Kaname changing his mind. He did leave her though. He is the smartest character in the story and he knew what will happen next: Yuuki biting Zero. I'm arguing that he knows almost everything up until endgame. I'm arguing that Kaname could have avoided Zeki interactions and found another way, unless he planned for the Zeki interaction.

    Blood tablets: As far as I've seen, Aidou has had a little bit of Yuuki's blood and lots of pills for over a year. He also eats food. Mostly pills and food. Senri and Rima like Pocky. Senri drank some Takuma blood. And then more pills.

    No one has said that blood pills are the major food source of the night class, but I think it looks that way. Not much blood sucking is going on.

    Just like when the blood tablets where not enough for Kaname when he lost Yuuki (after Juuri turned Yuuki human). Kaname was gulping so many blood tablets but it couldnt quench his hunger. And when he was thirsting for Yuuki back when Yuuki visited the dorm, he was forced to drink from Ruka. He could have turned Ruka away and chewed on blood tablets instead. So I guess being unable to accept blood tablets is more or less related to their emotional state.


    I agree, I also see Zero thirsting for Yuuki in chapters 67 and 53 and I don't see him having a Maria blood bite. He also lost his twin during the time he lost Yuuki. Maybe this direct comparasion is not fair, but I see Zero clutching his throat and eating lots of pills too.

    Emotions play a role and also willpower plays a role. So far, I don't see anything to suggest that Yuuki doesn't have willpower. If the night class can live on pills, Yuuki should be able to also.

    About Zero the pushover: Zero does have backbone, he has stood up for himself before. Kaname has a couple of thousands of years of living over Zero and it should not be surprising that a Kaname vs. Zero exchange would likely end up with Zero losing. I think that Zero is the secret main character of the manga and we will see him with more backbone and outclassing Kaname, but not anytime soon. There is a reason Hino had Yuuki say to Zero: You are the kindest and therefore your heart is not broken (chapter 75). Zero is a fighter.

    Real endgame is something that I cannot claim to guess. Yuuki and Zero's characters are still developing. Kaname is the character who was already a full adult and probably won't change much. Kaname is actually going to be the easiest character to predict. That's why I chose him and his plans as something to guess.

    Yes, Kaname may have made more mistakes with his plans. I still think he is the smartest character so far. I don't see Kaname as an evil character. And I can say that while liking Zero more. And still thinking that Kaname plans on using Zero like a dog, almost all the way to endgame. And I do think Zero will show everyone in the end who is the real Vampire Knight.

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    Re: How do you think Vampire Knight is going to end?

    Post by aya-chan on Wed Sep 28, 2011 4:24 pm

    caela wrote:I think I figured it out. SERIOUS. I was almost angry when I put the pieces together because I don't think there is any point in me reading the manga anymore (This is my version of Kaname's plan for endgame).

    Spoiler:
    I'm really serious. Last chance for not ruining all of Vampire Knight for yourself. I'm letting you have it on the next spoiler bounce bounce

    Spoiler:
    The problem with Vampire Knight is that you have two groups with opposite goals: The Vampire council and the Hunter Association. They will never agree on anything because it is in their best self interest to be enemies: they represent very different groups. The humans and the hunters, at their worst want vampire blood. The worst of the vampires want human blood slaves. Kaname is attacking purebloods right now, and he will be attacking the Hunters in the future to even the power playing field. This is not a permanent solution though.

    The solution is THE VAMPIRE KNIGHT: someone who is both a vampire and a HUNTER. The solution is ZERO.

    Right now Zero hates vampires and his vampire self, but when he accepts both halves of being a hunter and a vampire, he can impartially be a leader of both races, and he also will have the strength to control both sides if needed. There will no longer be the corruption of the council or the association because Zero already is an example of being the best of both worlds: the strongest vampire, and strongest hunter. Human blood or vampire blood cannot tempt him because all he would need is a pureblood spouse (and I guess pills).

    I didn't explain his power yet:

    Zero right now is not a normal hunter vampire, he has pureblood powers. I don't think this is normal, even for drinking alot of Kuran blood.

    The reason why he has these powers is because he drank YUUKI's blood. As a human, no memory spells worked on Yuuki. As a human, her blood tasted better than other human blood to vampires. She is not an ordinary Pureblood: Her blood makes other vampires into purebloods. This is why Rido targeted six year old Yuuki and not her pureblooded parents (even the one Rido is in love with) or brother.

    This is why Kaname wanted to kill Zero when Zero first drank Yuuki's blood and why Kaname had almost no reaction to Aidou drinking Yuuki's blood. Aidou drank very little and Kaname did not want to tip Aidou off. Zero drank alot and Kaname had to make a decision right there: He made the decision to use Zero for his plans. Apparently, it takes alot of Yuuki's blood to make you into a pureblood.

    When Zero broke out of the blood bond with Shizuka Hio, it was because Shizuka was attacking Yuuki. HE WAS ABLE TO BREAK THE SHIZUKA BOND BECAUSE YUUKI'S BLOOD IS STRONGER.

    This is why Kaname put the brakes on his relationship with Yuuki: never had sex with her for the ENTIRE YEAR of living together (chapter 65). Kaname romantically loves Yuuki, but he is planning on using Yuuki and Zero to make a new master race.

    Kaname is even stronger in the current chapter 75, controlling the movements of another pureblood, Touma. He was drinking Yuuki's blood.

    If Yuuki became too powerful, Kaname will have a harder time controlling what Yuuki would do. More powers for Yuuki = the more she will put herself at risk for other people, increasing the odds of her capture or death. That's why he has her dependant on drinking blood and not blood tablets, and why she was never taught to fight with pureblood spells.

    I'm insisting that Yuuki's blood makes people into purebloods, because otherwise, there is no way to ensure that Zero's kids could be as strong as their parents. If they are not as strong as their parents, then Kaname's solution is not a permanent one. Being a pureblood also is part of Zero's future authority.

    i.e., Zero was not born a pureblood, in order for his kids to be purebloods, Yuuki's blood must be able to make Zero into a pureblood. Normally, only two purebloods together can make pureblood children.

    This is a thanks section because I used other people's ideas/observations from this forum
    Spoiler:

    Last thought
    Spoiler:
    This is not exactly the ending, this is Kaname's plan. Something is bound to go wrong. That's why this is called a tragedy. Also, I don't any clue about the end of the major love triangle. Yes, so I suppose there is still a reason for me to buy the manga Smile





    I had a lot of fun reading your theory. Good job, you rose up my mood.
    honestly, you should have stick at your "rape theory" it was way better than this one.

    From pure curiosity: did you watched a sci-fi movie while you made this theory and mistook vk with that movie? affraid
    Just asking cause your theory doesn't have connection with vk reality.

    @soul: agree with your posts Very Happy

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