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    Post by caela on Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:55 am

    Zero's abilities:

    Flying (Rido fight, chapter 42)

    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2168-20/vampire-knight/chapter-42.html

    Immune to Pureblood mind control (Rido fight, chapter 42-43),

    breaks glass with mind (chapter 50, 60).

    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2178-24/vampire-knight/chapter-50.html

    The end of the Rido fight had Rido going behind the newly rearrived Yuuki. Rido was on the roof with Zero alone. It looks like Rido was running from Zero.

    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2169-32/vampire-knight/chapter-43.html

    Kaname fight (chapter 46):

    First attack: Kaname was angry about Zero pointing a gun at Yuuki. Kaname attacks with an overhead long range attack and Zero defends with the vines of the Bloody Rose. It results with Zero having scratches and Kaname with his hand chopped off.

    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2172-7/vampire-knight/chapter-46.html

    Second pass: Kaname positions a short/medium range weapon and Zero holds Bloody Rose.

    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2172-8/vampire-knight/chapter-46.html
    Yuuki then stops their fight.

    Zero won the first exchange, though Kaname might have underestimated Zero and carelessly allowed himself to get hurt. Kaname then chooses to switch to a shorter range weapon/attack. This switch shows an acknowledgment of fighting someone who is an equal or closer to an equal. I also reference how Kaname killed the Vampire Council: They are all weaker than Kaname and Kaname chose long range attacks.

    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2169-9/vampire-knight/chapter-43.html

    Who might have won if Yuuki didn't stop the fight? I don't know but I would have to bet Kaname, just basing on Kaname's experience.

    Kaname vs. Rido: Kaname blew Rido to bits eleven years ago.

    Haruka Kuran: lost to Rido with a hunter sword eleven years ago.


    Based on the above information and supposing hunter weapons as a handicap, here is my ranking:


    Spoiler:
    (1) Kaname (2) Zero (3) Haruka and Rido.

    Zero is REALLY strong right now, much more than what one should expect from being a former human.

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    Re: Zero's Powers

    Post by juliet on Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:54 am

    Kaname is stronger, not only in relation to Zero but also and to the other purebloods.

    The fanbook describes "Kaname still holds secrets, so his full abilities are unknown. When Kaname bares his intention to kill...the aura and shock waves that radiate are beyond imagination"..

    A secret now about kaname that is out is that he is the ancestor..

    How is the ancestor described in the fanbook; The progenitor is supposed to have had powers much greater than those of vampires living today.."

    Now about Zero;
    " Kaname devoured Shizuka and Yuki gained power once she awakened a a pureblood. Zero has their blood stirring inside. Zero also devours his twin Ichirou and becomes the strongest vampire hunter."


    So a great portion of the powers that Zero has are due to Kaname, Yuuki, Shizuka and Ichirou. So a lot of powers that Zero has are due to the powers that he possesed through the pureblood. I suspect the main force to be Kaname as the progenitor's blood is described to be superior to the descedants' blood.







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    Re: Zero's Powers

    Post by caela on Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:47 pm

    I agree that Kaname is the strongest character in the VK universe so far.

    Now about Zero;
    " Kaname devoured Shizuka and Yuki gained power once she awakened a a pureblood. Zero has their blood stirring inside. Zero also devours his twin Ichirou and becomes the strongest vampire hunter."

    I feel like Hino-san is being deceptive about the source of Zero's high powered Level D-ness. According to the fights that Zero has had, Zero should be about at a higher level than Rido and Haruka, even without the Bloody Rose (unless Kaname was never serious about trying to kill Zero in chapter 46, and in that case Zero is only equal to Haruka and Rido, [without the Bloody Rose]).

    Having the power of two hunters should not even compare to the influence of Yuuki's and Kaname's blood. The manga stresses the twin element alot and I think Hino-san is hiding something worrying about Zero's powers.

    We see the climatic scene where Zero is eating Ichiru's heart, and its gruesome and graphic. What is not stressed at all is that the majority of Zero's new power must be from Yuuki: Kaname was always a vampire so his influence on Zero's power was constant. Yuuki was the one who changed into a vampire and that happened around the same time that Zero jumped up to pureblood level status in power. The Ichiru stuff was smokescreen.

    There is no other example of level D's being able to fight on equal terms with Kuran purebloods. Zero's situation is weird. I think Yuuki's blood has something extra.





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    Re: Zero's Powers

    Post by sweetsolace on Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:57 pm

    caela wrote:Zero's abilities:

    Flying (Rido fight, chapter 42)

    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2168-20/vampire-knight/chapter-42.html

    there's only thorns "flying" there. And I don't see any wings.


    Immune to Pureblood mind control (Rido fight, chapter 42-43),
    oh really? then how come Shizuka was able to control him for a while?
    http://www.mangahere.com/manga/vampire_knight/v04/c018/13.html

    breaks glass with mind (chapter 50, 60).

    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2178-24/vampire-knight/chapter-50.html
    Yuki also breaks glass. So does Kaname.

    Zero broke a glass after he took blood from purebloods (Kaname, Yuki, maybe Shizuka) before that he couldn't break a glass. In short he got the breaking glass power from purebloods. It was a borrowed power, same with bloody rose.



    Kaname fight (chapter 46):

    First attack: Kaname was angry about Zero pointing a gun at Yuuki. Kaname attacks with an overhead long range attack and Zero defends with the vines of the Bloody Rose. It results with Zero having scratches and Kaname with his hand chopped off.

    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2172-7/vampire-knight/chapter-46.html

    Second pass: Kaname positions a short/medium range weapon and Zero holds Bloody Rose.

    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2172-8/vampire-knight/chapter-46.html
    Yuuki then stops their fight.

    Zero won the first exchange, though Kaname might have underestimated Zero and carelessly allowed himself to get hurt. Kaname then chooses to switch to a shorter range weapon/attack. This switch shows an acknowledgment of fighting someone who is an equal or closer to an equal. I also reference how Kaname killed the Vampire Council: They are all weaker than Kaname and Kaname chose long range attacks.

    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2169-9/vampire-knight/chapter-43.html
    You forget that after all the powers Zero exhibitioned in his berserk mode, it went UNSTABLE and took his blood.
    http://www.mangahere.com/manga/vampire_knight/v10/c046/19.html
    he can't even control his own powers from sucking him dry.

    Kaname can control his powers.
    In a fight if Kaname went all out and Zero went all out + unstable effects the outcome is Zero will end up in a prune state, as he will exhaust his blood because of his weapon.

    And there's that idea Kaname still haven't revealed all of his powers, while we already have an idea of Zero's.

    Based on the above information and supposing hunter weapons as a handicap, here is my ranking:
    (1) Kaname (2) Zero (3) Haruka and Rido.
    without bloody rose, Zero is nothing. He needed a weapon or else he won't function as an attacker. Zero's power (and his expression of hatred) is dependent on a weapon, BR.

    The Kurans, except Yuki and Juri, don't need a physical weapon, they use their own blood to attack. They can regrow cut limbs and see through ones' thoughts. Vampire ability also regenerates wounds except when wounded with av weapon.

    I agree juliet, Kaname has only shown a portion of his powers and what we've seen as if he's holding himself back, even. If he showed the FULL extent of his powers I think we'll know who's bluffing and who's not when the fanbook said he's the progenitor. Also, I think his power as king of all vampires makes other purebloods non resistant to killing them (Hio, Touma, etc). None of them have proposed a war with him or resisted his actions, probably with the thought that its useless against his power.

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    Re: Zero's Powers

    Post by caela on Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:08 pm

    Gotta go so can't defend much but:


    Immune to Pureblood mind control (Rido fight, chapter 42-43),

    oh really? then how come Shizuka was able to control him for a while?
    http://www.mangahere.com/manga/vampire_knight/v04/c018/13.html

    Anything pre-Rido is a Pre-yuuki pureblood moment. Zero didn't have the full benefit of Yuuki's powers then.


    Flying: So far, I haven't heard that the bloody rose makes people fly. Like Artemis with human yuuki vs. vampire Yuuki, the weapon responds to the power level of the user.

    I can't prove that Zero can't fly without the gun, but it doesn't seem likely that the gun makes people fly.

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    Re: Zero's Powers

    Post by nina on Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:08 pm

    Zero:
    In general Zero seems to be a unique HUNTER cuz first of all he “managed” to be born despite he had a twin brother. As also Kaname said this is something unexpected cuz the hunters can’t give birth to twins … the embryos will eat one another in the womb. However both Zero and Ichirou were born but as it seems Zero took most of the power leaving Ichirou weak and useless to be a hunter thus Zero felt so guilty and protective towards him but in the same time implies Zero’s power. On the other hand Ichirou’s birth signifies the gentle/protective aspect of Zero’s nature … he didn’t eat his brother in the womb to take all the power and become maybe the most powerful HUNTER (since he would have the power of two potential hunters aka 2 in 1 package). The story shows that, what didn’t happen in the womb happened later when Zero devoured his brother.

    IMO the biggest boost on Zero’s powers happened after he devours his brother and I think this is supported from:
    1. Kaname also told him to devour his brother right before the battle with Rido.
    2. After he devoured Ichirou he “transformed” (Zero’s shadow as a monster) and the Bloody Rose transformed too in a weapon with thorns and veins. I guess that’s why Kaname told Zero that he should devour his brother … cuz Zero needed that extra power in order to “transform” the Bloody Rose and be able to handle the full power of it to kill Rido.
    3. I think also Rido knew about this, viz IF a hunter devour his twin then he’ll gain an enormous power! Note what Rido (in the form of Shiki) says to Takuma)

    “Ichijou do you know about the TABOO for the hunters to be twins? (or in other translation the hunters curse of twins)”

    Thus far seems that Rido is referring on the same issue that Kaname earlier said about the hunters curse (can’t have twins cuz they’ll eat one another in the womb). BUT he continued by saying >>>

    “But for those two who have their differences between them, IT IS IRRELEVANT” (or another translation “However it doesn’t relate to the two of them BECAUSE THEY DON’T GET ALONG”).
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2162-11/vampire-knight/chapter-36.html
    http://manga.animea.net/vampire-knight-chapter-36-page-12.html

    According to my interpretation Rido knows not only the curse but also the result if an alive twin devour the other hence and he seems “relieved” cuz since he thought that Ichirou was on his side that possibility was zero >> Because they don’t get along! But he was wrong cuz Ichirou had mislead him … Ichirou wanted to avenge for Shizuka thus he wanted to be devoured from Zero as it happened eventually.

    So my opinion is that Zero is the most powerful HUNTER AFTER he devoured his brother …

    Therefore I think that Zero’s destiny was either way to be the most powerful hunter. And we don’t know yet how the BR resulted to his hands. Who decided to give the BR to Zero? Cuz as we saw his parents wielded SWORDS and so Ichirou … so how and when Zero end up with the special weapon BR?
    Since I have to speculate my bets going on Kaname again. As it seems Zero took the gun when the NC created thus when Kaname had already in his mind the plan to exterminate Rido. If there is something that I miss feel free to correct me.

    Now the thing is that Zero also turned to be a vampire so another element makes Zero further more unique … he is a unique vampire-hunter and a vampire himself.

    Zero’s powers:
    I suppose Zero’s powers could be compared with the powers of a PB, BUT how much power Zero will have if someone will remove the BR from him? I think his supernatural-powers are very limited and I mean compared to a PB not to a human or to an average hunter in physical terms.

    The only power that Zero seems to have –without his BR- is to crack windows, a power that Zero took from Kaname’s blood and NOT FROM YUUKI.

    Look the order of the events:
    1. We first saw Kaname cracking windows at the academy’s ball when he sent Zero after Yuuki … which means prior even Kaname takes Shizuka’s blood and heart. So there is no doubt that this power is Kaname’s.
    2. Then we saw Yuuki to do the same, BUT when? After her awaking hence right after she drank Kaname’s blood and had no control of such powers.

    So the first conclusion is that this power originates FROM KANAME and both Yuuki and Zero obtained it from him. Ergo this is a big hole in the theory that Yuuki’s blood can transform Zero into a PB …

    Now about all the other powers of Zero:

    - Flying >>> he was holding the BR and it was after he devoured his brother. Also Hanabusa was on the top of that roof and we also saw other nobles with such ability. Does this mean that they are PB’s? No!

    - Immune to PB mind control >>>We first saw that with Shizuka … even if he couldn’t kill her he managed to break her mind-control or the blood-bond they share. There is no doubt that Zero has a very strong will-power but we can’t be sure how much role played Kaname’s blood which was already into Zero’s veins.

    EDIT: Now I remebered that Kaname gave his blood to Zero after he killed Shizuka lol

    But either way Zero at that time didn’t have taken blood from the PB Yuuki … NOTE the PB not the human Yuuki. Cuz Yuuki’s blood I do believe myself that cuz she was born a PB even as a human her blood was a magnet for vampires BUT since her nature was in hypnosis so her powers were. Which means Zero or anybody who took blood from her as a human couldn’t obtain any power from her. (Btw another hole in the theory that Yuuki’s blood turned Zero into a PB)

    - Breaking glasses >>> I think I cover that above … this power obtained from Kaname.

    - The “fight” with Kaname:
    This scene answers in absolute way who is stronger Kaname or Zero … the answer is Kaname ofc …

    1. Kaname was the one who got in the fight … Do you think that if he didn’t know that he was able to wipe off Zero he would do that? I’m sure not especially at that time when he was so anxious to take Yuuki away and protect her. So I wonder would he do such a reckless attempt since if he had killed who would protect Yuuki?

    2. But even if someone think that Kaname lost his temper at that moment the fight itself gives the answer … Kaname had the upper hand cuz he could control the BR! The weapon obeyed Kaname and released him from its veins!
    Bottom line … IF Kaname wanted and IF Yuuki wouldn’t stop him Zero would be pulp at that very moment haha …

    sweetsolace wrote: without bloody rose, Zero is nothing. He needed a weapon or else he won't function as an attacker.

    Haha agreed! cheers

    In conclusion Zero is a very powerful creature and he probably could kill many PBs (except Kaname) BUT not without his BR! If you remove it most likely he doesn’t have a chance against a PB and I mean to kill him/her. But this doesn’t mean that he isn’t special or that he should be turned into a PB … There is a highly possibility that the BR (into its full power) can’t be handled from anybody else hunter except Zero …

    About Kaname … Hino has gave already the answer in one word >>> ALMIGHTY … so take a guess about his powers … bounce


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    Re: Zero's Powers

    Post by Rikana-hime on Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:26 pm

    Hmm I think Kaname still is the most powerful vampire or maybe the most in all characters because in the fanbook said his special ability is all-powerful.Second, he has lived for a very long time ,he is older than Zero so he has more experiences in life than him.Beside if he don't has the knowledge than he can't control people to follow his chess game.In my country, they say a person who is very strong will still nothing if that person don't has any plans or experiences


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    Post by aya-chan on Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:32 pm

    It's possible for zero to developed a special power such as cracking a wall/window, but the rest of them aren't in the category of special powers.

    Zero don't have bats, spiders,or he don't have an alter ego such as a wolf or any kind of animal. he don't erase minds or heal someone else.
    The veins belong only to bloody rose, not zero.

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    Post by Conrad Weller on Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:19 pm

    well kaname is the strongest. he can even control hunter weapons as shown when he controlled zero's bloody rose.

    zero comes second. well i really dont think zero is becoming a pureblood, maybe his hunter and vampire abilities collided and the windows broke. but he can never be a pureblood its not a fanfiction.

    rido well i really dont care about him, he was a kuran too yeah he maybe strong but he is supposedly dead so well i dont care for him much.

    cross huh well he was a legendary hunter but i wonder if even he will be able to fight against a kuran pureblood.

    at that time when yuuki's wings came i didnt see cross fighting her and he was thrown back and hurt.


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    Post by Divine Rose on Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:56 pm

    Kaname is definitely the most powerful. It is stated he is all powerful and he can control vampire hunter weapons.



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    Post by tssf on Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:18 pm

    Divine Rose wrote:Kaname is definitely the most powerful. It is stated he is all powerful and he can conrtol vampire hunter weapons.

    All said. I think the same.

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    Post by Divine Rose on Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:11 pm

    nina wrote:Zero:
    In general Zero seems to be a unique HUNTER cuz first of all he “managed” to be born despite he had a twin brother. As also Kaname said this is something unexpected cuz the hunters can’t give birth to twins … the embryos will eat one another in the womb. However both Zero and Ichirou were born but as it seems Zero took most of the power leaving Ichirou weak and useless to be a hunter thus Zero felt so guilty and protective towards him but in the same time implies Zero’s power. On the other hand Ichirou’s birth signifies the gentle/protective aspect of Zero’s nature … he didn’t eat his brother in the womb to take all the power and become maybe the most powerful HUNTER (since he would have the power of two potential hunters aka 2 in 1 package). The story shows that, what didn’t happen in the womb happened later when Zero devoured his brother.

    IMO the biggest boost on Zero’s powers happened after he devours his brother and I think this is supported from:
    1. Kaname also told him to devour his brother right before the battle with Rido.
    2. After he devoured Ichirou he “transformed” (Zero’s shadow as a monster) and the Bloody Rose transformed too in a weapon with thorns and veins. I guess that’s why Kaname told Zero that he should devour his brother … cuz Zero needed that extra power in order to “transform” the Bloody Rose and be able to handle the full power of it to kill Rido.
    3. I think also Rido knew about this, viz IF a hunter devour his twin then he’ll gain an enormous power! Note what Rido (in the form of Shiki) says to Takuma)

    “Ichijou do you know about the TABOO for the hunters to be twins? (or in other translation the hunters curse of twins)”

    Thus far seems that Rido is referring on the same issue that Kaname earlier said about the hunters curse (can’t have twins cuz they’ll eat one another in the womb). BUT he continued by saying >>>

    “But for those two who have their differences between them, IT IS IRRELEVANT” (or another translation “However it doesn’t relate to the two of them BECAUSE THEY DON’T GET ALONG”).
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-2162-11/vampire-knight/chapter-36.html
    http://manga.animea.net/vampire-knight-chapter-36-page-12.html

    According to my interpretation Rido knows not only the curse but also the result if an alive twin devour the other hence and he seems “relieved” cuz since he thought that Ichirou was on his side that possibility was zero >> Because they don’t get along! But he was wrong cuz Ichirou had mislead him … Ichirou wanted to avenge for Shizuka thus he wanted to be devoured from Zero as it happened eventually.

    So my opinion is that Zero is the most powerful HUNTER AFTER he devoured his brother …

    Therefore I think that Zero’s destiny was either way to be the most powerful hunter. And we don’t know yet how the BR resulted to his hands. Who decided to give the BR to Zero? Cuz as we saw his parents wielded SWORDS and so Ichirou … so how and when Zero end up with the special weapon BR?
    Since I have to speculate my bets going on Kaname again. As it seems Zero took the gun when the NC created thus when Kaname had already in his mind the plan to exterminate Rido. If there is something that I miss feel free to correct me.

    Now the thing is that Zero also turned to be a vampire so another element makes Zero further more unique … he is a unique vampire-hunter and a vampire himself.

    Zero’s powers:
    I suppose Zero’s powers could be compared with the powers of a PB, BUT how much power Zero will have if someone will remove the BR from him? I think his supernatural-powers are very limited and I mean compared to a PB not to a human or to an average hunter in physical terms.

    The only power that Zero seems to have –without his BR- is to crack windows, a power that Zero took from Kaname’s blood and NOT FROM YUUKI.

    Look the order of the events:
    1. We first saw Kaname cracking windows at the academy’s ball when he sent Zero after Yuuki … which means prior even Kaname takes Shizuka’s blood and heart. So there is no doubt that this power is Kaname’s.
    2. Then we saw Yuuki to do the same, BUT when? After her awaking hence right after she drank Kaname’s blood and had no control of such powers.

    So the first conclusion is that this power originates FROM KANAME and both Yuuki and Zero obtained it from him. Ergo this is a big hole in the theory that Yuuki’s blood can transform Zero into a PB …

    Now about all the other powers of Zero:

    - Flying >>> he was holding the BR and it was after he devoured his brother. Also Hanabusa was on the top of that roof and we also saw other nobles with such ability. Does this mean that they are PB’s? No!

    - Immune to PB mind control >>>We first saw that with Shizuka … even if he couldn’t kill her he managed to break her mind-control or the blood-bond they share. There is no doubt that Zero has a very strong will-power but we can’t be sure how much role played Kaname’s blood which was already into Zero’s veins.

    EDIT: Now I remebered that Kaname gave his blood to Zero after he killed Shizuka lol

    But either way Zero at that time didn’t have taken blood from the PB Yuuki … NOTE the PB not the human Yuuki. Cuz Yuuki’s blood I do believe myself that cuz she was born a PB even as a human her blood was a magnet for vampires BUT since her nature was in hypnosis so her powers were. Which means Zero or anybody who took blood from her as a human couldn’t obtain any power from her. (Btw another hole in the theory that Yuuki’s blood turned Zero into a PB)

    - Breaking glasses >>> I think I cover that above … this power obtained from Kaname.

    - The “fight” with Kaname:
    This scene answers in absolute way who is stronger Kaname or Zero … the answer is Kaname ofc …

    1. Kaname was the one who got in the fight … Do you think that if he didn’t know that he was able to wipe off Zero he would do that? I’m sure not especially at that time when he was so anxious to take Yuuki away and protect her. So I wonder would he do such a reckless attempt since if he had killed who would protect Yuuki?

    2. But even if someone think that Kaname lost his temper at that moment the fight itself gives the answer … Kaname had the upper hand cuz he could control the BR! The weapon obeyed Kaname and released him from its veins!
    Bottom line … IF Kaname wanted and IF Yuuki wouldn’t stop him Zero would be pulp at that very moment haha …

    sweetsolace wrote: without bloody rose, Zero is nothing. He needed a weapon or else he won't function as an attacker.

    Haha agreed! cheers

    In conclusion Zero is a very powerful creature and he probably could kill many PBs (except Kaname) BUT not without his BR! If you remove it most likely he doesn’t have a chance against a PB and I mean to kill him/her. But this doesn’t mean that he isn’t special or that he should be turned into a PB … There is a highly possibility that the BR (into its full power) can’t be handled from anybody else hunter except Zero …

    About Kaname … Hino has gave already the answer in one word >>> ALMIGHTY … so take a guess about his powers … bounce

    Awesome post Nina! cheers cheers cheers cheers

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    Post by jayashree on Fri Sep 30, 2011 1:26 am

    lol what a question nut we all know that kaname is stronger

    i love kaname

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    Re: Zero's Powers

    Post by mabel on Fri Sep 30, 2011 3:16 am

    kaname of course

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    Post by audraliann on Fri Sep 30, 2011 3:44 am

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    Re: Zero's Powers

    Post by caela on Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:11 am

    From Sweetsolace:
    without bloody rose, Zero is nothing. He needed a weapon or else he won't function as an attacker. Zero's power (and his expression of hatred) is dependent on a weapon, BR.

    Zero had the Bloody Rose the entire manga so far. If I really wanted to go extreme with the argument, I could argue that the gun is his alarm clock that wakes him up in the morning and he can't use the toilet properly without the gun (do vampires pee?)

    The point is I'm trying to figure out how powerful Zero is, not how funny you guys are jocolor.

    The Bloody Rose shoots blasts that stops purebloods from healing and the vines can cut stuff. Its a weapon and it is only a weapon. The fact that it changed form for Zero should show that Zero increased in power.

    From Nina:
    The only power that Zero seems to have –without his BR- is to crack windows, a power that Zero took from Kaname’s blood and NOT FROM YUUKI.

    Look the order of the events:
    1. We first saw Kaname cracking windows at the academy’s ball when he sent Zero after Yuuki … which means prior even Kaname takes Shizuka’s blood and heart. So there is no doubt that this power is Kaname’s.
    2. Then we saw Yuuki to do the same, BUT when? After her awaking hence right after she drank Kaname’s blood and had no control of such powers.

    Ok, glass cracking from Kaname. Zero only showed he was able to crack glass in chapters 50 and 60. Zero was actually nothing special as a vampire until the Rido fight (chap 42). I don't think he got that power directly from Kaname; I see it as Zero got it from Yuuki who got it from Kaname, kind of like the flu. I could make a more crude joke, but I do not want to offend people.


    From Nina:
    - The “fight” with Kaname:
    This scene answers in absolute way who is stronger Kaname or Zero … the answer is Kaname ofc …

    1. Kaname was the one who got in the fight … Do you think that if he didn’t know that he was able to wipe off Zero he would do that? I’m sure not especially at that time when he was so anxious to take Yuuki away and protect her. So I wonder would he do such a reckless attempt since if he had killed who would protect Yuuki?

    2. But even if someone think that Kaname lost his temper at that moment the fight itself gives the answer … Kaname had the upper hand cuz he could control the BR! The weapon obeyed Kaname and released him from its veins!
    Bottom line … IF Kaname wanted and IF Yuuki wouldn’t stop him Zero would be pulp at that very moment haha …

    No argument here, Kaname is stronger.

    What I don't understand about the above situation is that Kaname went through the effort to show how angry he was, and then he allowed Zero to injure him.

    Aido, Akatski and Ruka are nearby at the time. These nobles should have been able to sense who was fighting and whose blood was spilled. Its not cool to lose in face in front of your own entourage.

    My best guess:
    Kaname was going to kill Zero, but not without testing Zero's power level. Zero is a weird case and Kaname probably wanted to see how strong the first combination hunter/vampire really was.

    Ok, I have a question:

    Before the Rido fight, Zero only had drank the blood of the following people:

    (1) Kaname
    (2) human Yuuki
    (3) Ichiru his twin

    Eating/drinking his twin makes Zero a hunter with double the power of a hunter.

    Zero already had Kaname's blood twice at this point and Zero still seemed like a relatively normal vampire in power even with Kaname's blood.

    How strong is it to be as strong as two hunters? Zero's parents (two hunters) were killed by Shizuka, another pureblood.

    Sure, Zero had the Bloody Rose, but when Zero was against Rido by himself, it looks like Zero was winning. Kaname's blood and Zero's double hunter ability should not explain everything.

    Yes, I am going off of what is logical, but did Yuuki's human blood inside of Zero change into pureblood with Yuuki's transformation?

    I mean, did Juuri's spell on Yuuki change Yuuki into a human, or did it only block Yuuki from accessing her pureblood power from her own blood? If it only blocked Yuuki from her own powers, that would explain why Yuuki's blood remained sweet to other vampires. The spell removed the ability for others to benefit from the blood's power, but not the taste of the blood.

    It would also explain Zero's sudden power surge when Yuuki changed into a vampire. With Juuri's spell removed, the block is now removed and Zero was able to access the power of Yuuki's pureblood.


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    Post by juliet on Fri Sep 30, 2011 3:12 pm

    My question is now being a vampire, does that mean he can also be killed by anti-vampire?






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    Re: Zero's Powers

    Post by aya-chan on Fri Sep 30, 2011 7:27 pm

    juliet wrote:My question is now being a vampire, does that mean he can also be killed by anti-vampire?

    ofc. zero being a vampire present the same weakness like others vampire if their heart or head is hit by an anti-vampire weapon.

    Zero had the Bloody Rose the entire manga so far. If I really wanted to go extreme with the argument, I could argue that the gun is his alarm clock that wakes him up in the morning and he can't use the toilet properly without the gun (do vampires pee?)

    The point is I'm trying to figure out how powerful Zero is, not how funny you guys are .

    The only one funny here are you, who put bloody rose and toilet in the same sentence/phrase. affraid
    The whole point of solace paragraph was how powerful zero is without bloody rose. Untill now, to kill a vampire zero used only bloody rose. he didn't use his so-called new vampire powers gained after he drank yuuki's blood.
    And if zero can fly then why he didn't fly to catch the vampire whom escaped from his hands, ch 70 I think. How such an amazing pureblood-to-be was unable to catch a mere vampire?

    The Bloody Rose shoots blasts that stops purebloods from healing and the vines can cut stuff. Its a weapon and it is only a weapon. The fact that it changed form for Zero should show that Zero increased in power.

    I think all of us know bloody rose effects. No one didn't say that zero power didn't incresead. on contraire, the members above said zero power increased due to yuuki and kaname blood and because zero devored his twin. the moment zero took the half he refused to take in his mother womb, zero power increased, aka became the most powerful hunter.

    Zero only showed he was able to crack glass in chapters 50 and 60.

    What chapter 60? can you show me the panel?

    Before the Rido fight, Zero only had drank the blood of the following people:

    (1) Kaname
    (2) human Yuuki
    (3) Ichiru his twin

    Eating/drinking his twin makes Zero a hunter with double the power of a hunter.

    Zero already had Kaname's blood twice at this point

    What twice? zero drank kaname's blood just once.

    I mean, did Juuri's spell on Yuuki change Yuuki into a human, or did it only block Yuuki from accessing her pureblood power from her own blood? If it only blocked Yuuki from her own powers, that would explain why Yuuki's blood remained sweet to other vampires. The spell removed the ability for others to benefit from the blood's power, but not the taste of the blood.

    If you would have read manga carefully you would have known that juuri sealed yuuki's vampire nature aka she turned yuuki into a human. yuuki grow up physicaly like a human.

    For a vampire in love, the blood of his love one is sweet, refference at ch 24 when a night class student fall in love with a day class student and drank her blood. for that vampire the girl's blood was sweet.


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    Re: Zero's Powers

    Post by RedSonja on Fri Sep 30, 2011 8:41 pm

    i believe that zero devoured so much pb's blood that may it changed him much more than the first vampire hunters,who drunk from one pb....i mean 10.000 years ago there were hundreds who drunk from ONE pb,whereas zero drunk blood from 3 pbs and ichirus blood(which led to take on the powers of two vamp.hunters.....
    do u see where i'm going?

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    Re: Zero's Powers

    Post by sweetsolace on Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:32 am

    RavenBlack wrote:
    do u see where i'm going?

    hmmm...

    no.

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    Post by Divine Rose on Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:05 am

    sweetsolace wrote:
    RavenBlack wrote:
    do u see where i'm going?

    hmmm...

    no.

    I am in the same boat as you Sweet...

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    Re: Zero's Powers

    Post by mariangie on Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:29 am

    Caela posted :

    Before the Rido fight, Zero only had drank the blood of the following people:

    (1) Kaname
    (2) human Yuuki
    (3) Ichiru his twin

    Eating/drinking his twin makes Zero a hunter with double the power of a hunter.

    Zero already had Kaname's blood twice at this point



    I think you are mixing V.K. anime version with the manga . Kaname only allowed Zero to drink from his blood once . It was shown during chapters 30 - 31 events .

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    Re: Zero's Powers

    Post by caela on Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:37 pm

    thanks for the correction aya-chan and Mariangie (Zero bit Kaname once)

    Ummm...I really have no ulterior motive on this thread, like trying to make Zero into a pureblood, at least not on this thread. I'll be sticking to the topic.


    Zero's Immunity to Pureblood mind control:

    Aya-chan: I took it to be implied that Zero was immune to Rido's mind control because Rido's first move against Aidou and Yuuki was mind control. Yuuki is a pureblood and Rido still tried it on her (and it worked for a second, then Aidou stopped Yuuki.)

    Alot of the Zero-Rido fight was off camera, but also I took it to be assumed because Zero was still alive when Yuuki returned.

    Zero Winning the Rido Fight

    I'm assuming that Zero was winning the Rido fight because when Yuuki returned to the fight, Rido went directly behind Yuuki. Rido doesn't have that many reasons to do this:
    (1) giving up the fight and escaping with Yuuki
    (2) take Yuuki as a hostage/shield (which shouldn't be a plan because Zero avoids showing any affection towards Yuuki, even throwing her roughly off the building as if Zero was angry that she were interfering with Zero's prey.
    (3) Attacking Yuuki, which makes no sense because Rido wants Yuuki as a lover.

    I see Rido going directly behind Yuuki as a sign that he gave up on the fight, because Zero was overpowering him.

    Also there is a scene where Senri and Rido make eye contact during the Rido-Zero fight: The Night Dorm was hit by a blast from the roof, and it was Rido who fell down, NOT ZERO.

    The Bloody Rose is not something whose full capabilities are explained. As Nina said, Zero can attack purebloods as an equal with the gun, but without the gun, we don't know Zero's power.

    And like I said before the blood that Zero already drank from and the power he was born with (power of two hunters, one bite of an ancestor, and lots of blood from human Yuuki), does not add up the the picture of fighting both Rido and Kaname as he did.

    (And no, not thinking Zero=pureblood)

    Zero already had Kaname's blood from chapter 30ish. He doesn't seem different afterwards. Zero's parents, two hunters with hunter weapons, were useless against Shizuka.

    Hino did not explain something. The math still doesn't add up, even with the Bloody Rose. And I hope the future chapters add something to the picture.

    P.S.
    From Aya-chan, about Yuuki's sweet human blood
    For a vampire in love, the blood of his love one is sweet, refference at ch 24 when a night class student fall in love with a day class student and drank her blood. for that vampire the girl's blood was sweet.

    I know that's true but something else is going on.

    Right now I'm too lazy to go back to the first chapter, but it looked like Aidou chose Yuuki's blood over the blood another human girl. There is no way that Aidou is in love with Yuuki, not at this point. Aidou pretty much was saying how good Yuuki's blood tasted, said it to Akatski, then Kaname came by and slapped Aidou.

    Also vampire children do not have vampire teeth; they suck power through kissing or something? If that is the case, then Yuuki never had vampire teeth as a child and pass as "human" under the spell.

    I'm trying to say that Juuri's spell (changed Yuuki into human) does not make sense because Yuuki's human blood tasted good to Aidou. During chapter 54, there is a Kaname flashback, where Kaname says that pureblood tastes even better than the blood of a loved one. I don't think Juuri's spell changed Yuuki into a human, I think it blocked Yuuki and anyone else from using the power of Yuuki's blood, which makes Yuuki only seem human, but her "human" blood was still pureblood.

    My conclusion: Yuuki's blood influenced Zero as vampire blood, not human blood. That would explain Zero's current power level better.



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    Re: Zero's Powers

    Post by RedSonja on Sun Oct 02, 2011 4:46 pm

    sweetsolace wrote:
    RavenBlack wrote:
    do u see where i'm going?

    hmmm...

    no.
    yeeeahh...its kinda difficult to explain what i am saying...

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    Re: Zero's Powers

    Post by rabbit on Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:12 am

    Zero is shot by his dying twin brother, forcing him to "eat" Ichiru to complete the Twin Hunter fragment. With this final act and carrying the blood of three purebloods,[3] Zero becomes one of the most powerful characters appearing in the series. Zero and Yuki work together and defeat Rido, but Zero reveals his intention to end everything, to kill all pureblood vampires including Yuki.

    bec. of the vampire hunter twin taboo makes zero the strongest according to manga if the taboo happens the vampire hunter is capable to kill the strongest vampire.

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