Kaname 's intentions, and why the bed section?

hi,
this is LANA DEL REY.
what do you think kaname is going to do now?
did he get into bed with yuki because he thinks its that last time?
dose he really want to die and leave yuki with Zero? (i don't think that is an option for him anymore)
well, what do you think?
what are kaname's intentions????

What do you think the bed scene implies? Did they have sex?

Has Yuki ever been intimate like that with Zero?

I've watched the anime and then followed up with the manga. But there is a intimate scene with yuki and Zero in the anime, where he's suicidal and she stops him but ends up on top of him on the bed. There's a moment and then they quickly turn away.

tsl5032 wrote:What do you think the bed scene implies? Did they have sex?

Has Yuki ever been intimate like that with Zero?

I've watched the anime and then followed up with the manga. But there is a intimate scene with yuki and Zero in the anime, where he's suicidal and she stops him but ends up on top of him on the bed. There's a moment and then they quickly turn away.

well, as an answer to you first question, yes yuki and kaname are having (or had)sex.
no, yuki has never ha sex with zero - only kissed him 2 times. and kissed kaname like 1,000,000 times.
R U yume or zuki?

I think maybe Yuki will try to convince Kaname to live and that there will be another way. I think his intentions are to somehow make Yuki human again. I think he will do everything he can to ensure her happiness before he gives his heart to become the parent weapon. But I think she would probably try to sacrifice herself to protect him, but he will stop her sucessfully.

Then Zero who now does not remember Yuki anymore, but is still a vampire/vampire hunter/vampire hater will volunteer to sacrifice himself for the sake of the association, for the sake of hunting more vampires, because his hatred for vampires, justifies his sacrifice and he is willing to give up his life for the end of vampires, and remembers Yuki at the end and realizes he is saving her life by becoming the parent and dies happily.

Then Kaname and Yuki look back on Zero's sacrifice in respect and awe. They are happy together, in love, and in each others arms, but they will never forget the reason they were able to be together, was because of the ultimate sacrifice from Zero, and they will remember Zero as a hero.

This is all just a crazy idea.

I am a hardcore Zero and Yuki shipper though... but in all likely hood I think she ends up with Kaname. I mean, he's her brother . . so I always felt it was weird she's in love with her brother. I have an older brother and I can not imagine feeling that way. But in this story, I feel like Yuki is drawn to Kaname in a way that is different from Zero. She loves Zero and that will never change, but she is drawn to Kaname like fate has tied their red strings together.

Idk, does that make sense? I hoped you liked this post. This is only my third post on this forum.

tsl5032 wrote:I think maybe Yuki will try to convince Kaname to live and that there will be another way. I think his intentions are to somehow make Yuki human again. I think he will do everything he can to ensure her happiness before he gives his heart to become the parent weapon. But I think she would probably try to sacrifice herself to protect him, but he will stop her sucessfully.

Then Zero who now does not remember Yuki anymore, but is still a vampire/vampire hunter/vampire hater will volunteer to sacrifice himself for the sake of the association, for the sake of hunting more vampires, because his hatred for vampires, justifies his sacrifice and he is willing to give up his life for the end of vampires, and remembers Yuki at the end and realizes he is saving her life by becoming the parent and dies happily.

Then Kaname and Yuki look back on Zero's sacrifice in respect and awe. They are happy together, in love, and in each others arms, but they will never forget the reason they were able to be together, was because of the ultimate sacrifice from Zero, and they will remember Zero as a hero.

This is all just a crazy idea.

I am a hardcore Zero and Yuki shipper though... but in all likely hood I think she ends up with Kaname. I mean, he's her brother . . so I always felt it was weird she's in love with her brother. I have an older brother and I can not imagine feeling that way. But in this story, I feel like Yuki is drawn to Kaname in a way that is different from Zero. She loves Zero and that will never change, but she is drawn to Kaname like fate has tied their red strings together.

Idk, does that make sense? I hoped you liked this post. This is only my third post on this forum.

love your post, thank you for your predictions - they were well put together.
i also like you maturity to be a zuki but have respect for yume and NOT be calling yuki a slut for sleeping with Kaname.

you have got my respect.

Any ways, i think VK has multiple endings and all hino has to do is choose.
1) being kaname dies and its zuki (zero remembers yuki)
2) yuki and kaname dying
3) all three dying
4) the pure blood dude stepping in for kaname so he and yuki can live together
5)kaname abandons his plans sorts out his "crazy" status with the other vamps and lives with yuki as king and queen.
6)kaname becomes human and lives a human live with some human woman and has a normal human family.
7) yuki becomes human.
8)eveything get sorted out and its yume with zero happy with some hunter woman!

my head hurts from all this thinking but i will find out hino's plans!

tsl5032 wrote:

Then Zero who now does not remember Yuki anymore, but is still a vampire/vampire hunter/vampire hater will volunteer to sacrifice himself for the sake of the association, for the sake of hunting more vampires, because his hatred for vampires, justifies his sacrifice and he is willing to give up his life for the end of vampires, and remembers Yuki at the end and realizes he is saving her life by becoming the parent and dies happily.

Then Kaname and Yuki look back on Zero's sacrifice in respect and awe. They are happy together, in love, and in each others arms, but they will never forget the reason they were able to be together, was because of the ultimate sacrifice from Zero, and they will remember Zero as a hero.

This is all just a crazy idea.

I am a hardcore Zero and Yuki shipper though... but in all likely hood I think she ends up with Kaname. I mean, he's her brother . . so I always felt it was weird she's in love with her brother. I have an older brother and I can not imagine feeling that way. But in this story, I feel like Yuki is drawn to Kaname in a way that is different from Zero. She loves Zero and that will never change, but she is drawn to Kaname like fate has tied their red strings together.

I don't mean to spoil your fun but I think, you misunderstood some highlights of the manga that wasn't covered by the anime.

First of all, Kaname and Yuuki aren't siblings - - this should be obvious enough since we are all calling Kaname as an ancestor (one of the founders) who was asleep for thousands of years.

Next, Zero is a mere ex-human vampire. No matter how physically powerful he may become after receiving so much blood from different purebloods, he will never have the abilities exclusively pertaining to them (not even memory manipulation which can be also done by the nobles), thus he can never become a parent metal.

The cover actually emphasized Yume's "chains of fate" rather than mere string. Somehow, the dark nature of their relationship is akin to obsession, but they are vampires. They are lovers who've always longed for each other since the first time they were separated. It had been emphasized just how much they've wanted to do so many selfish things with one another (for Yuuki, latching to Kaname's neck and devour him whole ^^'; while Kaname had thought of putting her to chains so he can have her all to himself ^^'). But that's just how it is, that's why most of the time, it's tagged as "Pure Blooded Bloody Love!!" and this chapter's cover page emphasized as to why it was called a "Bloody Destiny of Fate.."

On topic, i don't want to think more of it for now. The simplest reason i could possibly think as to why they ended up in bed is simple. They're lovers who've been separated from each other and are overwhelmed of their own reunion. "Let the devil take tomorrow, you're here with me now.. That's all that matters" kind of feeling...

I am so happy to find intuitive people like you!
Your understanding of VK is beyond words. I commend you all for that!
Honestly, most of the time, I notice some things in there after one of you have pointed them out. And sometimes, I find people who have the same views as I am and that feeling is wonderful.
Really really loyal fangirls (and boys even).

I am also so very proud of the YUMEs here. I am a Yume myself! You are mature people. Unlike some ZEKIs I am not generalizing them, just....some. I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion but why are they acting that way? When the Zeki kiss came out, Yumes handled it pretty well, imo. It was devastating, especially that it has been sooo many chapters since we last saw Kaname and Yuuki together together. But when the Yume bed scene came out, some Zekis are bashing it. bashing Yuuki. bashing Hino. bashing VK as a whole. Why is that? It makes me sad.

About the chapter..To be honest, I was losing hope as well, thinking that VK is indeed a tragedy until the very end, but this chapter gave me a spark to believe again. I mean, come on! They deserve to be happy!

frap wrote:I am so happy to find intuitive people like you!
Your understanding of VK is beyond words. I commend you all for that!
Honestly, most of the time, I notice some things in there after one of you have pointed them out. And sometimes, I find people who have the same views as I am and that feeling is wonderful.
Really really loyal fangirls (and boys even).

I am also so very proud of the YUMEs here. I am a Yume myself! You are mature people. Unlike some ZEKIs I am not generalizing them, just....some. I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion but why are they acting that way? When the Zeki kiss came out, Yumes handled it pretty well, imo. It was devastating, especially that it has been sooo many chapters since we last saw Kaname and Yuuki together together. But when the Yume bed scene came out, some Zekis are bashing it. bashing Yuuki. bashing Hino. bashing VK as a whole. Why is that? It makes me sad.

About the chapter..To be honest, I was losing hope as well, thinking that VK is indeed a tragedy until the very end, but this chapter gave me a spark to believe again. I mean, come on! They deserve to be happy!

with you 100% on that, and i really hope we get a little more detail on the bed section, nothing porny but a little more than a bear arm.....
i really hope that vampire knight won't be a sad (i have a feeling it will) and that its yume......or zuki......

They both love each other and Hino reaches the climax here bringing two facts together that can drive us crazy: they make love but let's not forget that Kaname has to take the ancestor's place.

the sorrow, the mourning of the chapter in general, also gives me the feeling that it's meant to be the climax of the relationship, where they know that they can not be together, since Kaname has to replace HW, and so they expose their real feelings, just before the "supposed" end. They do not have any time left. So this is critical for them to seal their relationship in this way. Is there a better way to say "goodbye" to someone that you really love and anticipated for so long?

It's an option that we can not ignore, since this chapter is very emotional and they are both thinking of sacrificing themselves, and therefore they shall not have another chance in loving each other.

But of course the end does not have to be tragic, even though i believe that Hino wants to pass the aura of the "fated", the one that can not change yet, in purpose to raise our angst in the highest level as possible.

I said to Yumes to have hope . To expect a false Zeki end them the real Yume one . So even with Zeki kiss , I said to not lose hope .

But Yume has not resolved yet . For now the battle has being won , but not the war . This is because Kaname continues to believe he doesn't deserve Yuuki . That he has to die . That Yuuki loves Zero more than him . That he has planned to make Zero be by Yuuki's side when he is no more with her .

For now , is good to see Kaname spending a night of passion together with Yuuki . But at the same time sad to know that both believe this is the last time they be together . Because each other is planning to die the next day .

I know many Zeki are expecting a twist to happen . To Kaname die and Yuuki goes to Zero to avoid being alone . Or worse , become pregnant of Kaname and Zero taking care of these children with her . These can be options , but unless Hino wants to nobody buy her new series . This is a move to avoid . ( For example Absolute Boyfriend has a end were she slept with the boy she loves more , but he "died ". Making the girl choose the other boy as no more competition . Making fans rabid for this choice . Even if that was the natural road of that story . )

Some things the story needs to resolve for the Yume conflict now are :

1- To find a way for avoiding the sacrifice of either Kaname or Yuuki to protect the other . Basically both have to live .

2- Kaname has to discover he deserves Yuuki . That he has the right to live to love her and to be loved back .

3- Yuuki has to clarify to both guys who she loves the most .

4- Both Kaname and Yuuki need to know they don't have to spend eternity alone . Because they can share that loneliness .

5- Both need to learn to be a little more selfish with the other . For example , Kaname needs to fight for Yuuki's love and not give her so easy to Zero because he thinks he will die .

6- To remember the importance of previous promises . For example for Kaname to remember he promise to took Yuuki to the 10 - year blossom rose field .

I did think Hino wants to make us believe Yume love is the one true pair , but doomed from the start . I did expect to Kaname and Yuuki to survive . But Kaname to send Yuuki to Zero for one last time . And Yuuki recognizing she indeed love Zero , but as friend . To really want to start over with Kaname . A real second chance for their happiness . To seek Kaname and tell him he is the one .

Juliet wrote: They both love each other and Hino reaches the climax here bringing two facts together that can drive us crazy: they make love but let's not forget that Kaname has to take the ancestor's place.

the sorrow, the mourning of the chapter in general, also gives me the feeling that it's meant to be the climax of the relationship, where they know that they can not be together, since Kaname has to replace HW, and so they expose their real feelings, just before the "supposed" end. They do not have any time left. So this is critical for them to seal their relationship in this way. Is there a better way to say "goodbye" to someone that you really love and anticipated for so long?

It's an option that we can not ignore, since this chapter is very emotional and they are both thinking of sacrificing themselves, and therefore they shall not have another chance in loving each other.

I agree… and either way Yuuki says it >

Yuuki: We’ve…really come to a stalemate. You wish to throw your heart into the furnace tomorrow, and I…

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(cont’d in thinking) I want to relieve you from the destiny of eternity with my life…

So I think that Hino is giving them an epically tragic night… two lovers who think that are doomed thus and yearning to lose themselves into each other arms “forgetting” the tragic tomorrow…

And the most impressive for me is that Hino puts Yuuki to lead Kaname there, since at first we see how much effort Kaname puts, not to give in… but in the end…
Thus I cannot stop thinking how much way Yuuki has covered … from the girl who was blushing with a simple kiss or screaming perv, perv, perv, to a young lady who leads Kaname to make love to her!

mariangie wrote: That Yuuki loves Zero more than him .

Even if Kaname had ever this idea I think that with the recent developments he hasn’t …
Firstly because Yuuki erased Zero’s memory, something that really surprised/shocked him – and we know that Kaname rarely gets shocked – an action that symbolises that Yuuki finally cut that link i.e. that she is devoted only to him which also sealed and proved by giving her soul and body to him…

So I do not think that Kaname must have any doubt…
But I agree that they haven’t won the “war” yet but a battle… simply the war must be won in another field… to conquer the external obstacles that currently seem like a dead end…

Only a single notice before I comment on ch. 89 main topic:

mariangie wrote:
Or worse , become pregnant of Kaname and Zero taking care of these children with her .

Lol did they say this for true? I had thought something like this could come out - and I hope this is not going to happen, or we'll truly have what I call "the true Georgie-style ending" *Sigh*

I know many Zeki are expecting a twist to happen . To Kaname die and Yuuki goes to Zero to avoid being alone . Or worse , become pregnant of Kaname and Zero taking care of these children with her . These can be options , but unless Hino wants to nobody buy her new series . This is a move to avoid . ( For example Absolute Boyfriend has a end were she slept with the boy she loves more , but he "died ". Making the girl choose the other boy as no more competition . Making fans rabid for this choice . Even if that was the natural road of that story . )

On that aspect, such scenarios as above are a bit, how to say it? Convenient and superficial. Why?
Well, first of all they are all based on the hypothesis that Kaname dies. And wishing a character to die in order to have your favorite couple at the end is showing lack of confidence in the ship that you are supposedly support. In such way you want the opponent ship to be destroyed and not exactly your own to win. And the underlying intention here is selfishness.

No one cares for the impact that such an event would have on the heroine? How would she continue knowing that she failed to save the one she loved? That her own intentions and role in this story was never enough, never good enough to offer happiness to the one she was trying to save so many chapters now? All the second arc is actually Yuuki’s attempts to stop Kaname from such a fate. She is ready to take the hardest decision of all, to sacrifice herself and she fails?

So in other words she shall be the true loser of this story. So her role in other words made no impact to the script and she was there all along for fanservice reasons? I can take such statements into consideration seriously, because these statements also do not take into consideration the psychology, the bet that Hino created for Yuuki (how is she going to stop Kaname? Set and highlighted even from Aido-dono), the underlying challenge that can really gave her the attributes of the heroine.

I did think Hino wants to make us believe Yume love is the one true pair , but doomed from the start.

I agree on that.

That Yuuki loves Zero more than him.

Even if Kaname had ever this idea I think that with the recent developments he hasn’t …
Firstly because Yuuki erased Zero’s memory, something that really surprised/shocked him – and we know that Kaname rarely gets shocked – an action that symbolises that Yuuki finally cut that link i.e. that she is devoted only to him which also sealed and proved by giving her soul and body to him…

I want to disagree slightly on that idea and also here is a good chance to pose a question about Kaname’s intentions that the thread poses in the first place.

About Kaname thinking that Yuuki loves Zero more;

This is a part that according to my opinion, Kaname had dealt with…

http://mangafox.me/manga/vampire_knight/v11/c052/5.html

and I think that Hino makes that clear (that they might had been unresolved feelings from Yuuki’s part for Zero – but this is not a sufficient reason for them to not go on) and exactly this fact makes me sure and positive that is Yuuki the one, who unable to think of another exact reason, has the idea that she might led Kaname there with her attitude.

“Because you understand loneliness better than anyone. What a fool…why didn’t you forget about killing purebloods, and just erase all of my memories about Zero from my heart!”, is like telling him that this was not a reason to proceed with your plan, here I would had no problem even if you had done that. How could you be basing a decision on that? If that was so important to you, there were other steps that you could have taken so that we could have been together, if that really bothered you.
So Yuuki neutralizes even this supposed obstacle in Kaname’s mind and in a way she is also doubting if this could be a reason.

I should have turned you human with my life before you erased Kiryuu-kun’s memories… I should have left you in the care of Kiryuu-kun sooner…

And here is kaname insisting on his plan again. In other words (IMO) he says: Now, you should not spend eternity alone, I should have left you with Zero or change you because (he never says that but that’s what I get), I wont be here. I still judge that this would be the best for you.

And that brings Yuuki again at the beginning because she can not understand kaname’s persistence:

Answer me…all this, did you really do all of this for me?
Then why did you give up on living with me?

To get the answer:

Because the way I love you… can’t let you smile from the bottom of your heart…

Also clues in the manga that support his statement are his guilts about bringing her back to a bloody world, his apology for the mean vampires that he considers his responsibility (aka Rido but also the reference to them at the chapter where Yuuki asks why he apologizes about it and he says that it’s something from the past and also Hanadagi’s castle is depicted), and also the incident with Touma where Kaname says that “she had a taste of medicine” – true contact with the purebloods and the world that really now surrounds her, the scene at the mausoleum where he carries her and he says to her “the world that I see is different from the world that you see”.

So okay the world is filled with bad purebloods and vampires, Kaname sends himself to guilty trips all the time, believes that this life is not meant for Yuuki but the above sentence does not simply speak of a world where Yuuki would stand weak. Speaks of the way that he would love her in that world.

And that gets me back to his contradictions. Look at the scan here….

http://mangafox.me/manga/vampire_knight/v13/c060/5.html

It’s obvious now that he choose to fulfill the path which he considered the best in order to make Yuuki smile again from the bottom of her heart.

So the way that he would have to love her in order to make her unhappy would be a possessive kind of love that would keep her sheltered and protected from all vampires.

So he had to fight back that emotion that Hino highlighted also in the beginning of the first arc…
“allow my dominant side to express”
“I wish to keep you all for myself”

But in the scan there is also the picture of Yuuki (at least now we know) depicted as the HW. So if he kept her inside would he do that for himself again? no.

But again letting her free, setting her free (the ship among the wolves) would not be an easy case and perhaps this brought him the greatest despair of all balancing among his passion for her, his own happiness and the unconditional love that was the hardest path to take because… it requested another sacrifice in order to be fulfilled? - Yuuki as HW...

This is the part that I do not understand at all.

As the manga shows it now it’s like Kaname chose to sacrifice himself since he did not want a life without her and apparently he decided to make something out of it, also freeing the ancestor and closing the circle, but as it was potrayed back there, it’s almost like his decision to set Yuuki free was identical in his mind with a sacrifice, therefore he had to leave and make sure that this sacrifice would not be an option for Yuuki.

That would justify the despair, the way he portrayed Yuuki in HW’s position (following the same fate?), and so more…

http://mangafox.me/manga/vampire_knight/v13/c061/10.html

“I am afraid that one day you shall throw yourself into a lost cause and sacrifice yourself in the attempt, I do not want to live that a second time…”

I still have not received the answer how he predetermined that fact and how that fact is bound to Yuuki’s freedom/captivity in his mind.

So he had no options; either he would love her and restrict her (put her a leash as Rido had said) so that she would not sacrifice herself or he would let her free (unconditional love) and create a plan that would protect her again from sacrifice. Can also this be the reason why he insists so much that she should be turned human? Human means no sacrifice again. So in all means and ways, her protection from giving up her life for a cause comes up first.

And I think that Yuuki might be able to understand that, at least the fact that Kaname's love dictates to him a certain way of action towards her so that she can have the best life possible.

We’ve…really come to a stalemate. You wish to throw your heart into the furnace tomorrow, and I…

So I do not think that this a question about love here; Kaname knows that she fully loves him, as Rido had told him in that dream “he has a flower ready to bloom only for him”, it’s exactly that love that dictates to him how he should proceed (therefore all the lies and the effort to keep her in the distance). And it’s obvious that they have both reached unconditionally love since independently of what anyone knows or thinks, they are both ready to sacrifice to save each other.

The way Hino frames her story so far its like telling us that this unconditional love can not exist, can not bloom into the vampire world for all the reasons stated above. Only a possessive, a selfish one could exist but that would make them both unhappy in the end.

If you don't know where your heart's destination is... I'll tell you, Yuuki. If you're okay with someone like me...

And after Yuuki’s invites, Kaname tells her that he knows where her heart is. To be with someone like him as they are now, both of them free, even for a little while, they could cherish this unconditional love that if they could live, it would make them happy.
That’s all I get here.

I have no doubts after reading your post here...Yuuki have decided of who she wants to live eternal love-KANAME
That's for sure a tough decision but she proved that she loves kaname even more now!
Thtas why he can't run away anymore from her,he has decided to live with her..

Both Yuki and Kaname want to sacrifice themselves for the other. We know that not many people people support Kaname sacrificing himself. So it would not suprise me if the is a conspiracy led by Kaien to stop Kaname throwing his heart in the furnace. There are four sides to this arc:
1. Yuki is prepared to sacrifice herself to save Kaname
2. Kaname is prepared to throw his heart into the furnace so the humans can still kill vampires and to allow Yuki to have some happiness
3. Touma and the other pureblood? do not want the hunters to have vampire weapons
4. Kaien wants Kaname to show his true intentions and to give Yuki a chance to be with the one she loves the most (Kaname)
Both Yuki and Kaname are prepared to fight for what they want but, both need to realise that they cannot be selfless anymore and they need to become more selfish towards each other to fully understand why they are so stubbon about their plans. Their true intentions are for them to have happiness and to not be lonely any longer.

They don't need to sacrifice themselves to accomplish this manga,it would be too boring and cliche,it's more like Isaya or Touma dies,more likely it'll be Touma who's killed by Kaname or Zero,and then to solve things and help his lovely daughter,he trows Touma's heart at the furnace to create more weapons,that solves pretty much everything,Zero would find another girl to love and live like a normal human again,since Yuuki took away his memories,it seems like his desires have dropped a lot for blood,so he's most likely living like a human now,just more angry cause he remembers his parents deaths were caused by vampires and his hatred still exists...but i bet somewhere in his heart he still longs for Yuuki,as Kaname said:-"I haven't planned that he would create feelings for you yuuki"


Yuuki feels both guilty and relaxed now that Zero's safe but sad about him hating her,Kaname feels guilty as well for making her take Zero's memories to stay with Kaname,since he was running away from her the only chance to catch him was her plan since she had no other choice but make this idea come reality and focus only at Kaname,Yuuki finally made her decision,now the only thing to espect from Hino is to make a good plot for this final arc,like NOT KILLING KANAME AND YUUKI,MAYBE KILLING TOUMA IS A GOOD IDEAD^^
I know this is evil but i can't thing of another ending

Throwing Touma's heart to the furnace I don't think could resolve anything . As the problem with the furnace is : if the heart who is thrown has any hate inside . The furnace will magnify it ten thousand times (an exaggeration , but presume you get the idea ) . So the new weapons will be worse than the last ones . And no hunter would resist the urge of killing every vampire around , even the good ones .

Kaname throwing his heart won't end the circle of hate between hunters and humans either . His heart has lots of darkness . The furnace will enhance those feelings . Only his feelings of love and desire to protect Yuuki would survive .

Only a person without any hate would do the trick . But , is there any ? I prefer no new furnace created . but I suppose if Hino wanted to do a new furnace at the end of the story . She has to find a good candidate . And I hope Yuuki is not that one .

mariangie wrote:Throwing Touma's heart to the furnace I don't think could resolve anything . As the problem with the furnace is : if the heart who is thrown has any hate inside . The furnace will magnify it ten thousand times (an exaggeration , but presume you get the idea ) . So the new weapons will be worse than the last ones . And no hunter would resist the urge of killing every vampire around , even the good ones .

Kaname throwing his heart won't end the circle of hate between hunters and humans either . His heart has lots of darkness . The furnace will enhance those feelings . Only his feelings of love and desire to protect Yuuki would survive .

Only a person without any hate would do the trick . But , is there any ? I prefer no new furnace created . but I suppose if Hino wanted to do a new furnace at the end of the story . She has to find a good candidate . And I hope Yuuki is not that one .

I know that this doesn't solve things,but that's what i think it's gonna happen,i'm just supposing you know...but for hino to finish this endless circle of pain,sadness and suffering,the best thing to do was to destroy the furnace and then the only thing left would be Yume happy ending,what about that type of ending?no one dies,there's no need to anyway...

It's hard to tell what's in Hino-sensei mind

lililovelilica wrote:

mariangie wrote:Throwing Touma's heart to the furnace I don't think could resolve anything . As the problem with the furnace is : if the heart who is thrown has any hate inside . The furnace will magnify it ten thousand times (an exaggeration , but presume you get the idea ) . So the new weapons will be worse than the last ones . And no hunter would resist the urge of killing every vampire around , even the good ones .

Kaname throwing his heart won't end the circle of hate between hunters and humans either . His heart has lots of darkness . The furnace will enhance those feelings . Only his feelings of love and desire to protect Yuuki would survive .

Only a person without any hate would do the trick . But , is there any ? I prefer no new furnace created . but I suppose if Hino wanted to do a new furnace at the end of the story . She has to find a good candidate . And I hope Yuuki is not that one .

I know that this doesn't solve things,but that's what i think it's gonna happen,i'm just supposing you know...but for hino to finish this endless circle of pain,sadness and suffering,the best thing to do was to destroy the furnace and then the only thing left would be Yume happy ending,what about that type of ending?no one dies,there's no need to anyway...

It's hard to tell what's in Hino-sensei mind

Yes . Very hard !

Too bad I think someone has to die before the end . My main suspects are Kaien Cross and Isaya .

Isaya because he will ask Yuuki to perform her "grim reaper " duty on him . Because he has no more will to live nor a purpose . ( Specially if he is the surprise final boss / White Chessmaster and his plans are ruined . )

Cross because he probably try to protect either Yuuki , Kaname or Zero from dying ( more inclined about Zero ) . And end sacrificing himself to do so .

--Zero won't die .

--If Yuuki is pregnant from chapter 89 sex scene , she won't die .

--If Yuuki isn't pregnant . It's possible for Yuuki to die . But it won't be to turn Kaname human . Too predictable .

--Kaname can die . But I don't expect him to be the final source for the furnace .

In reality , my main guess is that the three of the main characters will live .

--Zero , because he will be ridden of his Level E Curse . He would end as stabilized Vampire Level D or as a human . With his lesson of coexistance of humans and vampires in peace learned . With at last discovering he can be free from his hate for all vampires and live as a happy person .

-- Yuuki , in the most ridicule , but easiest reason to live . Would be just because she would be a mom . So she needs to live for her kids .
Another reason would be because Yuuki at last discovers that for protecting the ones she loves . She doesn't have to die . That there are other ways to protect .

Reasons for Kaname to live are : to learn he has no more need to be alone . That he is loved by many . That he can have true friends at his side . That he is truly loved by Yuuki the same way he loves her . That he has no reason to hide his feelings anymore . That he at last can be happy . That he discovers Yuuki can protect herself as well as others , including himself . . So there is no need to try to be so over protective of her . Meaning she can be free to do as she wants . But at the same time free to be at his side to love and pamper him as he needs . Weird , but this means the end of Kaname's duality feelings of desiring to keep her prisioner and free and the same time .

And the stupidest reason , but most pretty and romantic excuse for an epilogue will be for Kaname to fulfill his promise to take Yuuki to the 10 - year blossom rose field .

mariangie wrote:

lililovelilica wrote:

mariangie wrote:Throwing Touma's heart to the furnace I don't think could resolve anything . As the problem with the furnace is : if the heart who is thrown has any hate inside . The furnace will magnify it ten thousand times (an exaggeration , but presume you get the idea ) . So the new weapons will be worse than the last ones . And no hunter would resist the urge of killing every vampire around , even the good ones .

Kaname throwing his heart won't end the circle of hate between hunters and humans either . His heart has lots of darkness . The furnace will enhance those feelings . Only his feelings of love and desire to protect Yuuki would survive .

Only a person without any hate would do the trick . But , is there any ? I prefer no new furnace created . but I suppose if Hino wanted to do a new furnace at the end of the story . She has to find a good candidate . And I hope Yuuki is not that one .

I know that this doesn't solve things,but that's what i think it's gonna happen,i'm just supposing you know...but for hino to finish this endless circle of pain,sadness and suffering,the best thing to do was to destroy the furnace and then the only thing left would be Yume happy ending,what about that type of ending?no one dies,there's no need to anyway...

It's hard to tell what's in Hino-sensei mind

Yes . Very hard !

Too bad I think someone has to die before the end . My main suspects are Kaien Cross and Isaya .

Isaya because he will ask Yuuki to perform her "grim reaper " duty on him . Because he has no more will to live nor a purpose . ( Specially if he is the surprise final boss / White Chessmaster and his plans are ruined . )

Cross because he probably try to protect either Yuuki , Kaname or Zero from dying ( more inclined about Zero ) . And end sacrificing himself to do so .

--Zero won't die .

--If Yuuki is pregnant from chapter 89 sex scene , she won't die .

--If Yuuki isn't pregnant . It's possible for Yuuki to die . But it won't be to turn Kaname human . Too predictable .

--Kaname can die . But I don't expect him to be the final source for the furnace .

In reality , my main guess is that the three of the main characters will live .

--Zero , because he will be ridden of his Level E Curse . He would end as stabilized Vampire Level D or as a human . With his lesson of coexistance of humans and vampires in peace learned . With at last discovering he can be free from his hate for all vampires and live as a happy person .

-- Yuuki , in the most ridicule , but easiest reason to live . Would be just because she would be a mom . So she needs to live for her kids .
Another reason would be because Yuuki at last discovers that for protecting the ones she loves . She doesn't have to die . That there are other ways to protect .

Reasons for Kaname to live are : to learn he has no more need to be alone . That he is loved by many . That he can have true friends at his side . That he is truly loved by Yuuki the same way he loves her . That he has no reason to hide his feelings anymore . That he at last can be happy . That he discovers Yuuki can protect herself as well as others , including himself . . So there is no need to try to be so over protective of her . Meaning she can be free to do as she wants . But at the same time free to be at his side to love and pamper him as he needs . Weird , but this means the end of Kaname's duality feelings of desiring to keep her prisioner and free and the same time .

And the stupidest reason , but most pretty and romantic excuse for an epilogue will be for Kaname to fulfill his promise to take Yuuki to the 10 - year blossom rose field .

In my case if i were Matsuri Hino i would Kill Isaya because
1-He wants to die because his wife and family are already dead
2-He's alone
3-Neither Yuuki or Kaname would need to die...


Kaname has to realize that he can love Yuuki,he's allowed to love her,and also because she loves him since when she was a kido.

Yuuki decided to be devoted only to him by erasing Zero's memories
That's her prove of love...also she once decided to live an eternal life with him.

Making it clear,it would be pretty stupid and dumb if Hino killed Kaname or Yuuki on the last chapters only to make her fans even more sad and making some haters.

The solution would be using Artemis to take the real enemies lifes away.
Using her blood to heal others after the battle

and maybe showing her butterfly wings once more,i bet there's a hint about her wings,the rose,the mausoleum door and many other things,like the chains she showed when kaname was thinking of an imprisioned yuuki.

the chess pieces are also hints,artemis and bloody rose too,maybe even Kaname is the hint to the last secret of his past?

i dunno,just thinking a lot. its okay to be questioning everything since the writer hides everything in the shadows,she only show the last resort at the last chapter,until then it's okay to discuss hehe

at this point i can only get of Kaname dying

First and foremost...I LOVE KANAME...and I'm a 100% Yume fan


And one of the many things that I love about Kaname-sama is that he is so mysterious. You can't completely read him. He appears tough, and he is intelligent (he's the Vampire King after all), yet he has the utmost soft spot for his beloved Yuki.

Because he is difficult to read, I find myself a bit confused of his actions.


And this thread in particular addresses the reason why Kaname had sex with Yuki, nevermind the thoughts of it because the many lovely Yume scenes we've had are just so intense


Anyhow...here goes...So it has been revealed that Kaname has planned all along to turn Yuki human and entrusts her to Zero. He didn't, however, plan for Zero to fall in love with Yuki -- though that's beside the point.

And Kaname knows, and Yuki even mentioned it, that a chunk of her heart belongs/belonged to Zero, too. A few chapter ago, Yuki said Zero is the boy she wants to cherish. I know you can have some feelings for two different people, but her feelings for Kaname pretty trumps all.



What I'm somewhat confused about is...if Kaname has been planning to sacrifice himself all along, why did he sleep with Yuki only to have her memories taken away and turned into human once again? Was it just to soothe her emotional heart when she wouldn't let him go?

They are lovers, they have the rights to have such an intimate moment together before all goes to hell the next day, but...because he wanted Yuki to finally realize where her heart belongs -- with either him or Zero? Then the next day, Kaname wanted all three of them to have tea? Awkward much?


I just want to hear your guys' opinions. (: I think I probably have just as well answered my own question though.


If both survive by the end, I imagine a lot of upcoming beyond-the-end-of-manga sexy time for the two. So much toughing, hugging, kissing, exchanging sweet words, blood sucking already, and not enough...;x

norngpinky wrote:First and foremost...I LOVE KANAME...and I'm a 100% Yume fan


And one of the many things that I love about Kaname-sama is that he is so mysterious. You can't completely read him. He appears tough, and he is intelligent (he's the Vampire King after all), yet he has the utmost soft spot for his beloved Yuki.

Because he is difficult to read, I find myself a bit confused of his actions.


And this thread in particular addresses the reason why Kaname had sex with Yuki, nevermind the thoughts of it because the many lovely Yume scenes we've had are just so intense


Anyhow...here goes...So it has been revealed that Kaname has planned all along to turn Yuki human and entrusts her to Zero. He didn't, however, plan for Zero to fall in love with Yuki -- though that's beside the point.

And Kaname knows, and Yuki even mentioned it, that a chunk of her heart belongs/belonged to Zero, too. A few chapter ago, Yuki said Zero is the boy she wants to cherish. I know you can have some feelings for two different people, but her feelings for Kaname pretty trumps all.



What I'm somewhat confused about is...if Kaname has been planning to sacrifice himself all along, why did he sleep with Yuki only to have her memories taken away and turned into human once again? Was it just to soothe her emotional heart when she wouldn't let him go?

They are lovers, they have the rights to have such an intimate moment together before all goes to hell the next day, but...because he wanted Yuki to finally realize where her heart belongs -- with either him or Zero? Then the next day, Kaname wanted all three of them to have tea? Awkward much?


I just want to hear your guys' opinions. (: I think I probably have just as well answered my own question though.


If both survive by the end, I imagine a lot of upcoming beyond-the-end-of-manga sexy time for the two. So much toughing, hugging, kissing, exchanging sweet words, blood sucking already, and not enough...;x

Um… this is a question that I’ve been thinking too… however with what we have in our hands thus far, only interpretations we can make… I hope the two last chapters to shed more light to this as well.

Anyway here’s mine for the time being…

First of all I do not think that Kaname initiated the sex but Yuuki, if there isn’t any inaccuracy on the translation that is.
His lines and stance in this
scene are telling me that Kaname just “translated” Yuuki’s wish/need and he gone along.
As for his phrase “I’ll show you where your heart belongs…” I can only interpret it as a confirmation towards Yuuki that he indeed knew where her heart laid. In other words Kaname knew all along, something that is reinforced from his nightmare and the phrase “The flower that was blooming only for you”, among many other things ofc…

Parenthesis: The alternative that some people may imply that Kaname slept with Yuuki in order to prove to her that her heart belongs to Zero; for me is unthinkable and really disturbing… it devaluates and uses sex in the most cheap way, moreover since we are talking about a young virgin! I can’t even start imagining that the first time of a girl would have been used in such twisted fashion and for such a lame reason!
However I’m more shocked from the ones that may interpret it that way and to top it off, ready to accept it!
Anyway I don’t want to elaborate farther cuz I do not believe that an author of a shoujo would ever do something like that.
Furthermore Hino has already stated as a summary for chapter 89 in the 90th issue >>

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『今まで枢に守られていた事を知った優姫は、彼にその身を委ねる…。』 = "Yuuki, who knew she has been protected by Kaname until now, gave herself to him..."

『互相接受对方的優姫跟枢在!?』 = "Yuuki and Kaname, who accepted each other, are!?

I think those lines do not leave any space for doubt regarding the feelings that initiated and accompanied that night.

Now about the question, why Kaname played along; is indeed a good question, since I can only imagine that making love to Yuuki, the moment that he knew that there is no tomorrow, was making even harder for him to let her go… *sob sob*
So, I agree with you that he wanted to soothe her emotionally, to lift the burden or the guilt from her shoulders that she was the one who had drove him there…
Because from Yuuki’s agonized questions to him that night (why you left me; it was me; you should’ve had erased Zero from my memory … etc) I get the feeling that Yuuki was blaming herself … she was thinking that her love for him wasn’t enough, or that she didn’t convey the extent of her love to him. The chunk of her heart, the difficulties that she had with her true nature and to let go of her human past etc had put a brake on their relationship… as she had said to herself the day that Kaname left her “I’m sorry Kaname… I could only care about my own problems…”

All of that led Yuuki to think that perhaps her behavior towards him, the 1 year they spent together, was one of Kaname’s reasons to leave her, stop hesitating and proceed with his OP instead of living by her side.
Thus and Kaname said “I’ll show you where your heart belongs” by making love to her, conveying in the most ultimate way that he knew… that wasn’t her fault, that she mustn’t blame herself for what will happen to him… ain’t that so Kaname-ish? *squeals and cries rivers*

Well this is my interpretation … it might have lot of my spin in it but it was the only way that I could combine everything in my head…

Just finished reading the last chapter of VK and I think it stands that all these predictions and thoughts that we have had need to be re-evaluated. It is not Yume or Zuki we should have been thinking about this whole time. It is a story about a young woman named Yuki who's destiny was intertwined with two souls Zero and Kaname so intricately that she simply cannot exist or be who she is without either of them. She needs both of them to be herself.

For both Zero and Kaname, she has brought them happiness and shown them light. She is not what you would think of as the vampire knight... but I think she truly is the knight of the story. Kaname who saw her brought into the world and swore to protect her for her entirety of life instilled that same kindness in her. She in turn showed that kindness to Zero. She swore to protect zero, to keep him happy. She did what she thought would bring him happiness, she gave him blood, she erased painful memories of herself so he could accomplish his goals without complications, so he would not feel guilty for hating pure bloods. Although, she was not always right, she did what she thought would protect and make Zero happy. Same as what Kaname had done for her. Kaname protected her from the outside world, connected her with headmaster cross to protect her existence and her world from the complications of being a vampire. He was willing to sacrifice anything to make her happy and ensure her protection just as Yuki was willing to do anything to make Zero happy and ensure his protection.


Yuki chose to be with Kaname because she knew her existence as a vampire will give Zero a reason to live. Her devotion to Kaname is equivalent to Zero's devotion to her. Yuki and Zero's lives were manipulated by Kaname, but in the end they made their own decisions.

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Ultimately this was never a story of kume or zeki it was more like KaYuZe. especially the scene

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Overall, I love this series. I thought it was very well written and dramatic and suspenseful. I am really satisfied with how hino ended the series. I think it is done in a way that fans who have watched the series progress will truly appreciate.

I wanted a happy Yume end . Too hopeful for my part . Instead I get a " Zeki by default " end and a Yume " star - crossed lovers " tragic and romantic. ( in the literary sense . Ex . Dracula love story ) . The " Pureblood Bloody Love " tale of love , tears , blood and darkness Yuuki and Kaname lived .

Hino intended to give us that Yuuki loved both men . In her own different way . One as the storm , passionate , desire and tormented love who could only give her darkness . One tranquil and normal love who could keep her in the light .

Yuuki's life purpose at the end become : to make Zero happy in life and Kaname happy on death .

After thinking more , now I see why we got so little about the Zeki final couple end . This will sound kind of strange . But here I try to explain .

The love story Hino intended to narrate during her whole plot was Yuuki and Kaname' tragic vampic love story . How Kaname become her world . Her alpha and her omega . Her beginning and her end . How Kaname sacrificed himself for her lover to allow her to be happy . How Yuuki sacrificed herself to make Kaname happy . How they loved so much each other . But could only be happy together for a very brief part of their existence . How Kaname saved Yuuki at the start of the story and how Yuuki saved Kaname at the end of the story . How their love transcend time after being separated for a whole thousand years .

Anything else was secondary plot . Including Zero part in the LT .

What Yuuki really was narrating to Yori was how she discovered love . How she believed that love was out of her reach . How she discovered she was reciprocated . When she though her happiness with that man was at her grasp . How she discovered that man committed sins for her sake . How the man left her because he feared to hurt her by his actions . How she spend following this man to try to make him return to her . How he hide and hurt her to try to kept her out of his life . Due to his desire to see her happy as human and die to atone for his sins . How she discovered his lies . How she forgive him . How she ended wanting to die to save him . How she give her body and soul to him as her farewell before she believed she will die for him . How he accepted her love with a night of pure passion and sex as his farewell before his ultimate sacrifice for her and humanity . How she ended failing to all her promises to be his equal , save him and protect him . How he end sacrificing himself and let her in the care of the other man he knew loved her as much as him . How the girl mourn him and accept to fulfill the wish of her lover to be happy with the other man who loved her . And at last , how the girl , now an older woman choose to die by giving her own heart ( literary ) and her soul ( the butterfly light guide ) to give the man she loved the most the happiness he never had and she did in the past . As her last way to tell him he was the one who matters the most in her life . Even if they only share a brief time physically together . They always will spend their hearts and souls together .

This is the reason we got almost none information about the Zeki pair end . After Kaname dying . Yuuki accepting to follow Kaname last wish for her ; there wasn't too much to tell to complete the Yume love story . Except how she ended her life to save him .

How Yuuki and Zero lived after Yuuki's tragic lover died for her is another story . It wasn't supposed to be part of the main VK plot . A story that Hino didn't planned to give us . ( A Zeki love story bonus would be nice , but improbable . ) Because it wasn't part of the narrative of the Yume tragic love story . This is why we only get that minimal information about Yuuki achieved happiness with Zero during their years together . Because the only real information we needed to know was that Zeki pair fulfill Kaname's last final wish . And the insinuation that Yuuki did got pregnant from Yume last night together and had a daughter product of their love .

Yes , I know I got to be thrown with everything , sinks and all . Because what I'm saying is Zero and Zeki were second fiddle to the Yume tragic Pureblood Bloody Love vampiric romantic tale . Because the story only told us the Zeki love parts which were relevant to the main Yume love story . The ones which affected how she and Kaname interacted with each other .

This crazy rant is not saying Yuuki never love Zero ( she did in her own way ) . Not is saying Zero wasn't important to Yuuki ( He was . After all , they marry and spend most of their lives together . Had a family and loved each other . Got as happy as they could . ) Only that the main purpose of Vampire Knight story was to tell Yume love story , not the Zeki love one . That's why the lack of data about how Zero and Yuuki spend their life together .

Why the story ended with a " Zeki by default " end ?

Because Yuuki would never choose to go to Zero if Kaname was alive . Nor Yuuki would accept becoming Zero's mate unless Kaname wished and bless Yuuki and Zero to be together as they both live in light , Because no matter how terrible and toxic Kaname and Yuuki's love was , Yuuki alone would never wanted to let go off from Kaname's side . Because he was his most important and loved person in the world . No matter what crazy stuff Kaname did to her . Because the one who truly chose for Yuuki was Kaname . He sacrificed himself as the way to make sure he was out of Yuuki's options for mate . Because Yuuki's only options were to be alone for eternity ( her greatest fear ) or fulfill Kaname's last wish and try to love and be happy with Zero . Yuuki did needed someone to cry her shoulder on and care for her . To prevent loneliness as happened when HW sacrificed herself and let Kaname alone in the world . After all , even if Yuuki considered her feelings for Zero were mostly friendship , she could learn to reciprocate Zero's love for her as her way to make him happy . But only if she knew there was no way for her to get Kaname to her side alive .