A future of Takuma- what do you think?

What do you thaink about Takuma's future?
It looks rather bad recently. Sara manipulates him using her pureblood abilities. So what end od this situation could be?
Do you think he will stay loyal to Kaname? Will he remain an important piece on the chess board? Will Kaname let him die when he is a problem?

Akaruisama wrote:What do you thaink about Takuma's future?
It looks rather bad recently. Sara manipulates him using her pureblood abilities. So what end od this situation could be?
Do you think he will stay loyal to Kaname? Will he remain an important piece on the chess board? Will Kaname let him die when he is a problem?

Well it's really interesting question. I think that Takuma couldn't predict that some things will go out of control. I mean after drinking Sara's blood he is manipulated and we could see that in chapter 76. But I think this scene showed us that he want to stay loyal to his friends,when he was himself he didn't want to give tablets to Shiki.
The next question about his role,after this picture with him holding the key:

I think Hino might suprise us with something,and also in last chapter Takuma was really shocked when Sara wanted to reveal secret to Yuuki and before that we had scene with flashback-could that means he also wanted to protect Yuuki from truth.
There is also one thing I have just noticed:
http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/77/8
on top right we have head of Takuma,and half of it is covered in black. Well for me it's like metaphore that right now there are two Takuma's: one evil( black),which is manipulated by Sara and one normal.
Now about the possiblity of Kaname killing Takuma: I don't know why but I am pretty sure Kaname wouldn't do that to Takuma.

rosaever wrote:

Akaruisama wrote:What do you thaink about Takuma's future?
It looks rather bad recently. Sara manipulates him using her pureblood abilities. So what end od this situation could be?
Do you think he will stay loyal to Kaname? Will he remain an important piece on the chess board? Will Kaname let him die when he is a problem?

Well it's really interesting question. I think that Takuma couldn't predict that some things will go out of control. I mean after drinking Sara's blood he is manipulated and we could see that in chapter 76. But I think this scene showed us that he want to stay loyal to his friends,when he was himself he didn't want to give tablets to Shiki.
The next question about his role,after this picture with him holding the key:

I think Hino might suprise us with something,and also in last chapter Takuma was really shocked when Sara wanted to reveal secret to Yuuki and before that we had scene with flashback-could that means he also wanted to protect Yuuki from truth.
There is also one thing I have just noticed:
http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/77/8
on top right we have head of Takuma,and half of it is covered in black. Well for me it's like metaphore that right now there are two Takuma's: one evil( black),which is manipulated by Sara and one normal.
Now about the possiblity of Kaname killing Takuma: I don't know why but I am pretty sure Kaname wouldn't do that to Takuma.

I agree! I have a wierd feeling that Takuma will take an important place in further story. I hope he stay loyal to Kaname.
It's similar to the end of fight with Rido when he have turned back from his grandfather.

Akaruisama wrote:

rosaever wrote:

Akaruisama wrote:What do you thaink about Takuma's future?
It looks rather bad recently. Sara manipulates him using her pureblood abilities. So what end od this situation could be?
Do you think he will stay loyal to Kaname? Will he remain an important piece on the chess board? Will Kaname let him die when he is a problem?

Well it's really interesting question. I think that Takuma couldn't predict that some things will go out of control. I mean after drinking Sara's blood he is manipulated and we could see that in chapter 76. But I think this scene showed us that he want to stay loyal to his friends,when he was himself he didn't want to give tablets to Shiki.
The next question about his role,after this picture with him holding the key:

I think Hino might suprise us with something,and also in last chapter Takuma was really shocked when Sara wanted to reveal secret to Yuuki and before that we had scene with flashback-could that means he also wanted to protect Yuuki from truth.
There is also one thing I have just noticed:
http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/77/8
on top right we have head of Takuma,and half of it is covered in black. Well for me it's like metaphore that right now there are two Takuma's: one evil( black),which is manipulated by Sara and one normal.
Now about the possiblity of Kaname killing Takuma: I don't know why but I am pretty sure Kaname wouldn't do that to Takuma.

I agree! I have a wierd feeling that Takuma will take an important place in further story. I hope he stay loyal to Kaname.
It's similar to the end of fight with Rido when he have turned back from his grandfather.

LOL, endgame.....I hope its soon so we can find out...

Seriously....in chapter 77, Takuma looked like he was in control of himself.....maybe Kaname already gave him some blood? and Shiki said that it looks like Takuma is half under the control of Sara...guessing, guessing.

Akaruisama wrote:

rosaever wrote:

Akaruisama wrote:What do you thaink about Takuma's future?
It looks rather bad recently. Sara manipulates him using her pureblood abilities. So what end od this situation could be?
Do you think he will stay loyal to Kaname? Will he remain an important piece on the chess board? Will Kaname let him die when he is a problem?

Well it's really interesting question. I think that Takuma couldn't predict that some things will go out of control. I mean after drinking Sara's blood he is manipulated and we could see that in chapter 76. But I think this scene showed us that he want to stay loyal to his friends,when he was himself he didn't want to give tablets to Shiki.
The next question about his role,after this picture with him holding the key:

I think Hino might suprise us with something,and also in last chapter Takuma was really shocked when Sara wanted to reveal secret to Yuuki and before that we had scene with flashback-could that means he also wanted to protect Yuuki from truth.
There is also one thing I have just noticed:
http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/77/8
on top right we have head of Takuma,and half of it is covered in black. Well for me it's like metaphore that right now there are two Takuma's: one evil( black),which is manipulated by Sara and one normal.
Now about the possiblity of Kaname killing Takuma: I don't know why but I am pretty sure Kaname wouldn't do that to Takuma.

I agree! I have a wierd feeling that Takuma will take an important place in further story. I hope he stay loyal to Kaname.
It's similar to the end of fight with Rido when he have turned back from his grandfather.

it is really similar to the first arc.
I think that Takuma is a loyal person, down in his heart he loves his friends and want to protect them (he doesn´t want to give the tablets to Shiki, he wants to prevent Yuuki from some weird or terrible informatin and for example in the first arc he protected the body of shiki and he wanted to save Rima too) Takuma is still that person, sara makes use of him and there has to be some other reason than just the tablet thing, Takuma is the key himself in my eyes, maybe he will bring the situation on the next stage or he will reveal some special information. maybe it´s a key for some secret he holds or knows.

In the end he will stay loyal and I don´t think Hino wíll kill him. it would be dramatic but it will give some message to the reader: even if you fight for your loyalty and friends you get killed (by your best friend) kaname would never do that, he accepts takuma and he knows that he is powerful and intelligent. furthermore he is aware of Takumas feelings

Katherine wrote:

Akaruisama wrote:

rosaever wrote:

Well it's really interesting question. I think that Takuma couldn't predict that some things will go out of control. I mean after drinking Sara's blood he is manipulated and we could see that in chapter 76. But I think this scene showed us that he want to stay loyal to his friends,when he was himself he didn't want to give tablets to Shiki.
The next question about his role,after this picture with him holding the key:

I think Hino might suprise us with something,and also in last chapter Takuma was really shocked when Sara wanted to reveal secret to Yuuki and before that we had scene with flashback-could that means he also wanted to protect Yuuki from truth.
There is also one thing I have just noticed:
http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/77/8
on top right we have head of Takuma,and half of it is covered in black. Well for me it's like metaphore that right now there are two Takuma's: one evil( black),which is manipulated by Sara and one normal.
Now about the possiblity of Kaname killing Takuma: I don't know why but I am pretty sure Kaname wouldn't do that to Takuma.

I agree! I have a wierd feeling that Takuma will take an important place in further story. I hope he stay loyal to Kaname.
It's similar to the end of fight with Rido when he have turned back from his grandfather.

it is really similar to the first arc.
I think that Takuma is a loyal person, down in his heart he loves his friends and want to protect them (he doesn´t want to give the tablets to Shiki, he wants to prevent Yuuki from some weird or terrible informatin and for example in the first arc he protected the body of shiki and he wanted to save Rima too) Takuma is still that person, sara makes use of him and there has to be some other reason than just the tablet thing, Takuma is the key himself in my eyes, maybe he will bring the situation on the next stage or he will reveal some special information. maybe it´s a key for some secret he holds or knows.

In the end he will stay loyal and I don´t think Hino wíll kill him. it would be dramatic but it will give some message to the reader: even if you fight for your loyalty and friends you get killed (by your best friend) kaname would never do that, he accepts takuma and he knows that he is powerful and intelligent. furthermore he is aware of Takumas feelings

Oops..sorry for not responding to the original questions of the thread...

I agree with Katherine that Takuma has shown no signs of disloyalty to those close to him, like Shiki, Rima and especially Kaname.

Who lives and dies in VK is going to be hard to predict in VK endgame so I have no comment there, but if I have to guess, Takuma and Aidou are the almost-main characters in VK, a special status that makes them vulnerable to dying in endgame....IMO.

Takuma and Kaname's relationship is something that VK has not really explained yet: like Takuma always seemed aware of Yuuki's importance before anyone else figured it out. I don't know if Kaname told Takuma this, or Takuma figured it out on his own: or a bit of both. So, I also have no comment on how loyal Kaname will prove to Takuma.

Yuuki has now the ability and the knowledge to help Takuma and as long as he can take advantage of this, he has many things to offer at the continuation as obviously he now is closer to Sara's plans as no one else. So he is a very important piece in every sense, for both sides, I believe. If I could resemble him with a chess piece I think that he could be the tower.


There is mystery revolving Takuma and his connection with Kaname, I do not know why he avoided all interaction between them after Sara captured him, after all it would not be strange to say "hello" to his old friend at that party.

it would be dramatic but it will give some message to the reader: even if you fight for your loyalty and friends you get killed (by your best friend) kaname would never do that, he accepts takuma and he knows that he is powerful and intelligent. furthermore he is aware of Takumas feelings

I agree with your point, there will be nothing positive for us as readers coming out of it. I also prefer to see the optimistic side of the it.

Takuma and Kaname's relationship is something that VK has not really explained yet: like Takuma always seemed aware of Yuuki's importance before anyone else figured it out. I don't know if Kaname told Takuma this, or Takuma figured it out on his own: or a bit of both.

Or from Asato...even though i am not sure, Takuma most of the times escorted Kaname at his car rides to Yuuki so did Asato assigned to young Takuma to spy Kaname from an early age or Takuma found the connection and revealed it to his grandpa? its a bit vague.

Juliet wrote: Yuuki has now the ability and the knowledge to help Takuma and as long as he can take advantage of this, he has many things to offer at the continuation as obviously he now is closer to Sara's plans as no one else. So he is a very important piece in every sense, for both sides, I believe. If I could resemble him with a chess piece I think that he could be the tower.


There is mystery revolving Takuma and his connection with Kaname, I do not know why he avoided all interaction between them after Sara captured him, after all it would not be strange to say "hello" to his old friend at that party.

I agree … Takuma resembles with the rook. He is protecting his “king” from afar.

The mystery is IF Takuma had any communication with Kaname all that long or he was moving according to his own estimations and knowledge. From his words to Yuuki (when they first met at the academy) seems like at least after Kaname’s disappearance he didn’t have any.

Juliet wrote:

Katherine wrote: it would be dramatic but it will give some message to the reader: even if you fight for your loyalty and friends you get killed (by your best friend) kaname would never do that, he accepts takuma and he knows that he is powerful and intelligent. furthermore he is aware of Takumas feelings

I agree with your point, there will be nothing positive for us as readers coming out of it. I also prefer to see the optimistic side of the it.

I also agree with both of you. IMO the main characters of the first NC will survive –at least most of them – for another reason as well. I think one of Kaname’s goals by creating the NC was to “replace” the corrupted senate eventually with them. I’m basing my idea on Kaname’s words when he was talking with Cross about its creation >>

Kaname: “The objective (of the NC) is to promote peaceful coexistence between vampires and humans … and to educate young vampires so they become a politically moderate force.” (chap. 12)

Juliet wrote:

caela wrote: Takuma and Kaname's relationship is something that VK has not really explained yet: like Takuma always seemed aware of Yuuki's importance before anyone else figured it out. I don't know if Kaname told Takuma this, or Takuma figured it out on his own: or a bit of both.

Or from Asato...even though i am not sure, Takuma most of the times escorted Kaname at his car rides to Yuuki so did Asato assigned to young Takuma to spy Kaname from an early age or Takuma found the connection and revealed it to his grandpa? its a bit vague.

Takuma is described as the one who knows better Kaname than anyone else of his comrades. Their relationship goes many years back before the creation of the NC.

From the fanbook for Takuma:

“He has a gentle personality but he doesn’t hesitate to fight to protect his friends and juniors – those who are precious to him!”

“He confronts his grandfather, who tells him to keep an eye on Kaname and he confronts Kaname when he tries to hurt Shiki’s body.”

“His relationship of trust with Kaname, built on their shared past.
He grew up with Kaname… While Asato’s guardianship meant supervision (for Kaname), Takuma cared for Kaname and Kaname began to show his true self to Takuma. Takuma watches over Kaname as one of the few who know about his past.”

So Takuma’s loyalty and trust to Kaname is based on knowledge and not on a blind admiration.
Also Sara confirms the closeness between Takuma and Kaname since she said that the reason she captured Takuma was exactly because Takuma knew much more about Kaname than Asato. Therefore my opinion is that despite that Asato wanted from Takuma to be the watchdog of Kaname, Takuma didn’t reveal much to Asato.

About Yuuki hm … isn’t clear if Kaname told him or Takuma figured out on his own or from Asato.
But he seemed like he knew about Yuuki’s true nature before Kaname awaken her >>

Takuma: “Kaname … there is really no other way? When did you stop looking for ALTERNATIVES?” ( the next panel shows Kaname biting Yuuki.)
Viz Takuma also knew Kaname’s struggle to protect Yuuki all these years i.e. her importance at least for Kaname.

Also knew about Kaname’s feelings for her and teased him many times. An example>>

Kaname to Takuma: “I met the survivor of that incident.”
Takuma: “So the headmaster is taking care of him. Well that’s to be expected. What is it? Are you jealous cuz he can always be with Yuuki?”
Kaname: “I don’t have time to be jealous. Things will get busy soon.” (chap.12)

To sum up … I do not have doubts on whose side Takuma stands. He may be partly manipulated from Sara through her blood and the tablets but Takuma showed admirable resistance to her “powers” on critical times. Most recent examples are his refusal to give the tabs to Shiki and his intervention when Sara was probably ready to badmouth Kaname to Yuuki.
So as long as Takuma can resist he won’t double-cross Kaname or Yuuki.

About his future … as I said above I’m positive despite the difficult situation that he is in currently and ofc Kaname will do whatever he can to protect all of his allies as his past proclaims …

I've always thought Takuma will end up sacrificing himself in an attempt to protect Kaname one last time, as in blatantly opposing Sara. IMO, he's clearly still loyal to Kaname, he just has to play by her rules. I wonder if Sara would really kill him though, it's hard to say whether he's just a puppet to her or if she might have some twisted sort of affection for him. They're clearly not relatable to Shizuka/Ichiru who both loved each other (Ichiru romantically), though I've always been curios to know if Takuma could possibly have feelings for Sara. That, or he's really just sticking with her because she tells him to/he's waiting for his opportunity. Meh. Who knows.

Howl4fun wrote:I've always thought Takuma will end up sacrificing himself in an attempt to protect Kaname one last time, as in blatantly opposing Sara. IMO, he's clearly still loyal to Kaname, he just has to play by her rules. I wonder if Sara would really kill him though, it's hard to say whether he's just a puppet to her or if she might have some twisted sort of affection for him. They're clearly not relatable to Shizuka/Ichiru who both loved each other (Ichiru romantically), though I've always been curios to know if Takuma could possibly have feelings for Sara. That, or he's really just sticking with her because she tells him to/he's waiting for his opportunity. Meh. Who knows.

Could Imagine that...

nina wrote:IMO the main characters of the first NC will survive –at least most of them – for another reason as well. I think one of Kaname’s goals by creating the NC was to “replace” the corrupted senate eventually with them. I’m basing my idea on Kaname’s words when he was talking with Cross about its creation >>

Kaname: “The objective (of the NC) is to promote peaceful coexistence between vampires and humans … and to educate young vampires so they become a politically moderate force.” (chap. 12)

I agree with this.

but...the reason why I would doubt Takuma surviving endgame is because of his extreme loyalty to Kaname. Being an undercover spy for Kaname for over a year is already a sacrifice...

What saved Takuma from his grandfather killing Takuma in the first arc was Sara's interference. I believe Takuma said to his grandfather before attacking him was, "Let's bring down the curtain on the Ichijo family together..."

Takuma was prepared to die to prove his loyalty to Kaname then. IMO it is not much of a stretch to imagine Takuma doing the same in the future. (though Katherine and Juliet may still be right about the moral lesson of protecting your friends means that you'll be protected)

Howl4fun wrote:I've always thought Takuma will end up sacrificing himself in an attempt to protect Kaname one last time, as in blatantly opposing Sara. IMO, he's clearly still loyal to Kaname, he just has to play by her rules. I wonder if Sara would really kill him though, it's hard to say whether he's just a puppet to her or if she might have some twisted sort of affection for him. They're clearly not relatable to Shizuka/Ichiru who both loved each other (Ichiru romantically), though I've always been curios to know if Takuma could possibly have feelings for Sara. That, or he's really just sticking with her because she tells him to/he's waiting for his opportunity. Meh. Who knows.

I agree about the Takuma sacrifice part.

I think it is out of twisted affection for Takuma (well, besides owning a convenient pharmaceutical company...Sara = gold digger/power hungry?, she did show interest in Kaname in chapter 25ish... and I think she isn't attracted men) that Sara keeps Takuma as her second-in-command. Based on her comments on manipulating Zero and Yuuki in chapter 77, Sara sounds like she enjoys pushing people's buttons without being sure of the result. Takuma was acting independently and not as if he were under Sara's control in the latest chapter. Perhaps Takuma is a favored toy of Sara's; maybe she enjoys watching Takuma squirm while she enjoys the control of being able to stop Takuma if he ever does anything dangerous against her.

About Sara killing Takuma: I don't think she has reason to unless she were about to lose the "game" of becoming the vampire Queen. That company Takuma's family owns remains useful, even if Yuuki's blood is an antidote.

I think in chapter 73, Takuma corrects Yuuki about him being in love with Sara, with Takuma saying,"Are you kidding...". IMO Takuma is only there with Sara as a double agent spy. (It would be nice if there was some attraction...I even seen people trying to say that Sara is attracted to Zero...too sleepy to comment on that one, lol)

About Sara killing Takuma: I don't think she has reason to unless she were about to lose the "game" of becoming the vampire Queen. That company Takuma's family owns remains useful, even if Yuuki's blood is an antidote.

I was thinking she might kill him if he were to go in between her and Kaname, in a sort of "you've outlived your usefulness" manner. If that happens however I think Kaname would save him if he were present. I just have the feeling that Takuma will end up in a danger zone if or when he decides to blatantly oppose Sara.

I think in chapter 73, Takuma corrects Yuuki about him being in love with Sara, with Takuma saying,"Are you kidding...". IMO Takuma is only there with Sara as a double agent spy.

Yuuki was referring to Kaname I think. XD Takuma said he was jealous of her being Kaname's ally more than he was, and that he wished he could do more for him, which is when Yuuki says: "Somehow you look like someone who's love lorn, Ichijou senpai... you really like that person." Takuma says "Yuuki-chan... jokes are..." before they're interrupted by Sara's spider.

(It would be nice if there was some attraction...I even seen people trying to say that Sara is attracted to Zero...too sleepy to comment on that one, lol)

Haha, I like Sara/Zero in terms of hottness XD Just imagine her having him lying on her lap shirtless, bound by her control and drenched in water (or blood), caressing his hair while he just looks at her with his hott, pissed expression, her calling him "my poor lost puppy...".

EEEEEEEEEE XDDDDD

[quote="Howl4fun"]

I was thinking she might kill him if he were to go in between her and Kaname, in a sort of "you've outlived your usefulness" manner. If that happens however I think Kaname would save him if he were present. I just have the feeling that Takuma will end up in a danger zone if or when he decides to blatantly oppose Sara.


EEEEEEEEEE XDDDDD

I expect something exactly as you have wrote here. It would be amazing scene althought I hope Yuuki would do something to protect Takuma as she is a pureblood who uses hunter's powers.

I think that if Ichijou stops taking the tablets AND sara's blood,he'll come back to normal and be by Kaname's side,and if Sara tried to KILL Takuma,Yuuki and Kaname would protect him for the name of friendship,we can assume that Kaname treasured his friends in Rido's battle too...that's what i think^^

I find the Sara character so annoying! I hope that it is revealed that Takuma is really not under her spell and he has been pretending to be under her "control" to assist Kaname. Takuma is such a cute character with an upbeat personality and I really wouldn't want him ruined by Sara's evil and annoying plans!

Not really sure what to say, but if he doesn't break away from his need to serve and to be loved and needed by pureblood vampires, then he's going to have a very bleak future.

i think there is a same topic like this.

kanamekuranlover wrote:i think there is a same topic like this.

If exist a similar topic like this, then the other one should be locked if it was created this year.
This topic was created in 2011.

Akaruisama wrote:What do you thaink about Takuma's future?
It looks rather bad recently. Sara manipulates him using her pureblood abilities. So what end od this situation could be?
Do you think he will stay loyal to Kaname? Will he remain an important piece on the chess board? Will Kaname let him die when he is a problem?

I am worried about takuma a lot. he ingested a lot of sara's blood. even if he's not completely under her control, he developed love feelings for her which will make them take unwise decission when sara is involved.

In the last chapter we have seen that he's not completely lost. and a doze of kuran blood might anihilate the effects of sara's blood on him. however, what will happen with his feelings for her? somehow i doubt that they are caused only by her blood.

aya-chan wrote:I am worried about takuma a lot. he ingested a lot of sara's blood. even if he's not completely under her control, he developed love feelings for her which will make them take unwise decission when sara is involved.

Yeah, I wonder what Takuma will do if he loses Sara.

ButterflyWingsx wrote:

aya-chan wrote:I am worried about takuma a lot. he ingested a lot of sara's blood. even if he's not completely under her control, he developed love feelings for her which will make them take unwise decission when sara is involved.

Yeah, I wonder what Takuma will do if he loses Sara.

I think that either he will be shocked because of her death and abolutely sad, or he will wake up and becomes the takuma we knew...but I think that there will be a mixture of both points...he loves her (I don´t think that it is only because of her blood...and love doesn´t stop in a second...I think he will be on Kana-chans side again but sad because of his loss

With Sara gone, the only way is to look ahead for Takuma. Although it was a tragic twisted love between a pureblood and an aristocrat, Sara kissed him good-bye by choice. So maybe deep down she did love him? Or not, but I do think now he'll follow Kaname to observe the "path of darkness" Kaname's taken and what he'll do.

CandyRoxy7 wrote:With Sara gone, the only way is to look ahead for Takuma. Although it was a tragic twisted love between a pureblood and an aristocrat, Sara kissed him good-bye by choice. So maybe deep down she did love him? Or not, but I do think now he'll follow Kaname to observe the "path of darkness" Kaname's taken and what he'll do.

Takuma looks like he is going to watch what Sara called the path of darkness but I really don't see him surviving the end of the story. He was drinking alot of Sara's blood and is probably addicted to it by now and with her blood gone his thirst could become unbearable. One hope for him is maybe Yuuki's blood to counter Sara's but he's had alot of it so not sure if it would counter.

I would hate for there to be more pain or misfortune in Takuma's future Though Sara was a villain, and deep down I think Takuma was aware of that, I think he will miss her dearly. It will be interesting to see his first action after Sara's demise. Will Kaname allow Taku to follow him?