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caela wrote:To the question of my language skills:
I am a beginner in Japanese.
(1) I do know what a pronoun is...the "koto" or "thing" must refer to something else Yuuki thought or said previously. No one has bothered to refer it to something else that she said or thought previous to the quote in question.
(2) "ga" is usually a subject signifier...the importance/stress of the sentence is on the "I".
I notice no one disagreeing with me with these previously addressed these points.
There is no disagreement on the major points...just no one else caring what a pronoun does.
aya-chan wrote:caela wrote:To the question of my language skills:
I am a beginner in Japanese.
(1) I do know what a pronoun is...the "koto" or "thing" must refer to something else Yuuki thought or said previously. No one has bothered to refer it to something else that she said or thought previous to the quote in question.
(2) "ga" is usually a subject signifier...the importance/stress of the sentence is on the "I".
I notice no one disagreeing with me with these previously addressed these points.
There is no disagreement on the major points...just no one else caring what a pronoun does.
1. If you're a beginner in japanese then why do you call a translator's job, a person who speak/talk/read/write japanese fluently, as a bad translation job?
2. I, a person who doesn't know japanese, considered that is a translator job to give you a reply about japanese matters.
caela wrote:To the question of my language skills:
I am a beginner in Japanese.
(1) I do know what a pronoun is...the "koto" or "thing" must refer to something else Yuuki thought or said previously. No one has bothered to refer it to something else that she said or thought previous to the quote in question.
(2) "ga" is usually a subject signifier...the importance/stress of the sentence is on the "I".
I notice no one disagreeing with me with these previously addressed these points.
There is no disagreement on the major points...just no one else caring what a pronoun does.
aya-chan wrote: I want to remember something - it's not the first time when yuuki call kaname...MY KANAME.
Chapter 52, volume 11, VIZ official version:
Yuuki before biting kaname: MY STRONG, BEAUTIFUL KANAME why would you want me?
So, chapter 79 is not for the first time when yuuki refers at kaname as her possesion - that he belongs to her.
caela wrote: Umm...you can fan girl on Nina...
caela wrote: I'm questioning the bad translation job everyone has been doing with the line:
Nina's translation (well, you didn't cite your source)
零のことはこんなにわかるのに = "Even though I know Zero like this,"
私が枢の何をわかってないのか = "which thing of Kaname I don't know?"
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こと koto: is "thing" in reference to one specific thing, a pronoun...not a general "this"...its a reference to the previous thought, "…I know that he (Zero) used to pray for me, for my happiness." (senbyafntic trans---I don't have the Japanese raws so this trans is from the chinese)
full dictionary definition of "koto": こと: (noun) (1) thing (2) matter; affair (3)event; occurrence
私が: watashi ga: "I" is the subject of the sentence because of the particle "ga"....its should be, "I don't know"....the subject of the sentence is NOT "which thing of Kaname"
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A more Correct translation: Even though I know that thing of Zero (i.e. knowing that Zero prayed for her happiness), I don't know what of that of Kaname (whether or not Kaname also wishes for her happiness)
solar wrote: Hello, whoever you are, stop throwing your poor Japanese skill and attempt to correct someone's translation when you have no "basic" knowledge of it at all.
零のことはこんなにわかるのに
零のこと = Zero's thing
こんなに = like this
のに = Even though
So it becomes "Even though I know Zero's thing like this," or "Even though I know Zero like this". Both mean the same in ENGLISH!!!
私が枢の何をわかってないのか
私が = I
枢の何 = which thing of Kaname
わかってない = dont't know
のか = To indicate a question.
Then, it becomes "which thing of Kaname I don't understand?"
Your version of translation "Even though I know that thing of Zero (i.e. knowing that Zero prayed for her happiness), I don't know that of Kaname (whether or not Kaname also wishes for her happiness)" is purposedly twisted into the way you want. You don't even know what's the meaning of "枢の何" at all.
nina wrote:Shoujo-Zo18 wrote: Hahaha you think that's proof?? Ichijou is a third party, he obviously wasn't there to witness the scene that just took place between Kaname, Yuuki, and Zero, nor could he have read her thoughts at that exact moment
Okay … and since you supposedly have read the chapter … tell us what part of Yuuki’s thoughts makes you believe that she doesn’t still believe and love Kaname?
Let me help you to make your choice ^^>>
1. When our eyes met … Kaname … MY KANAME is there … I must go to him…
KYAHHHH!!!! And to think that just minutes ago Zero was whiningthat Kaname had destroyed his everything! And what Yuuki thinks; >> MY KANAME I MUST GO TO HIM! >> *starts running*
2. Yuuki (thinking): I can’t feel his heartbeat. What I see in front of me is not Kaname in person. (to Kaname) You are not here to take me away like before, right?
Yuuki “whining” that Kaname didn’t COME TO GET HER AWAY LIKE BEFORE!
Her sadness and crash of this realization is written all over her face >>
So what that tells us; that Yuuki ALL that LONG that you as a Zeki thought that she was sharing Zeki moments at the academy
Did Yuuki or did she not hear Zero’s BIG revelation that Kaname destroyed his family a few minutes ago????
How many times Yuuki all this time heard hurtful and shocking news for Kaname huh? How many times you Zekis hoped that Yuuki will change her feelings for Kaname till now huh? Let me start counting ( 1, 2, … 1000 it might take days haha)
3. When she listens Kaname’s crashing words >>
零のことはこんなにわかるのに = "Even though I know Zero like this,"
私が枢の何をわかってないのか = "which thing of Kaname I don't know?"
"Even though I know Zero like this, which thing of Kaname I don't know?"
She wonders what is that she doesn't know!
So she doesn’t say that she knows everything about Zero and nothing about Kaname … she was in shock ofc cuz the REAL Kaname that she truly knows in her heart couldn’t have done that thing … and again her intuition is right cuz Kaname IS LYING!
And just for the record … did or did she not have said in the past as well that Kaname has secrets from her and that she doesn’t know everything about him? She did … Did that prevent her from loving him??? No … on the contrary she was still head over heels for him thus she was crashed when Kaname left!
4. Even when Zero pointed his gun to Kaname, bearing the intention to kill him, something that it is obvious from his veins … what Yuuki did? She stopped Zero didn’t she??? Patting his head *good boy Zero, good boy* > a reaction pretty sisterly/motherly as she always did in the past with Zero’s suffering.
5. And FINALLY even the moment that Zero was holding her, her mind was AGAIN to Kaname >>
Yuuki: I seem to finally understand…if I go back to the root of everything, I’ll find myself there. (i.e., everything must have happened because of me) And therefore, I must stop Kaname.
but at that moment he said that to Kaname she was in Zero's arms, probably thinking over the words Kaname said... and she was even crying for Zero, which leads me to think she felt horrible for what happened to Zero...
The name in her mind is Kaname’s … except if in your version you’ve replaced that name with Zero’s hahaha … You probably takes as valid ONLY what Zero thinks/believes/says –because the thought “don’t cry for me”(Argentinaisn’t Yuuki’s but Zero’s INTERPRETATION of Yuuki’s sadness.
Saying that ofc I do not imply OR deny the fact that she felt sorry for Zero’s drama. But is this a proof of her ROMANTIC feelings for Zero? Which sane being wouldn’t feel sorry for him after hearing Kaname’s version of the story???
Moreover when Yuuki believes that everything happened for her sake i.e. that she is up to a point resposible as well for Zero's drama (>> more pity and guilt)
But in any case we (the readers) know that Kaname was lying there … he might have freed Shizuka but the time he did it the Kiryuus had nothing to do with her ! Shizuka escaped from her cage WITH HER LOVER, which simply means that he was still alive!!!! Viz the Kiryuus wasn’t even ordered to kill her lover …
So how Kaname could ever have freed Shizuka with the intention to harm the Kiryuus??? Zero might not know in depths Shizuka’s story or the exact row of the events … But WE, the readers, KNOW.
Therefore even IF Yuuki believed that Kaname is responsible for Zero’s drama she would have believed in an intentional BIG FAT LIE which in the run definitely would be revealed … So? Or do you wish Yuuki to choose Zero over Kaname (as if
but she has some things to consider and think over before she makes any decision. She has to decide whether she still trusts him or not
To think what? To decide based on what? On a lie??? OR on another lie that Kaname doesn’t love her anymore???
From the same hope some fans was hanging after Zero’s badmouth and heartrending burst
And lastly … how and we do not know what Yuuki feels about Kaname huh? What changed in Yuuki’s thoughts and decisions after that scene? Didn’t she repeat AGAIN that she must stop Kaname? Didn’t she realise that everything is FOR HER? > “everything must have happened because of me”
Did she think that she hates Kaname now??? No! >> her action to stop Zero from shooting Kaname is the indication for that lol. And if you ask me, her realization that everything must have happened because of her means that Yuuki didn’t buy Kaname’s lie that she is just an obstacle to him i.e. his façade collapsed once again!
Did she or did she not say, every time that she heard a shocking new regarding Kaname that she must go to him? She did …
Did she or did she not say AGAIN in the end of this chapter the same???
How many times did Yuuki till now crash Zekis’ hopes that she’ll give up on Kaname huh??? *(still counting ZZZZZZ)*
So bottom line ... even if Takuma is a third party, or even if he wasn't present at the scene he stated the evident! I wish Kaname could hear him and act SELFISHLY for a change and take Yuuki away in a far far away place and be all night long lovey-dovey!*sigh*
mariangie wrote:
Learn to read . Not only read between lines . Read the whole thing .
From Caela:
I am a beginner in Japanese.
(1) I do know what a pronoun is...the "koto" or "thing" must refer to something else Yuuki thought or said previously. No one has bothered to refer it to something else that she said or thought previous to the quote in question.
Understanding "ga" doesn't prove that you know Japanese. "ga", "wa", "mo" all these are extremly rudimentary. It's like someone who just begins to study "is, am, are" or "a b c". If you can bother yourself, instead of self-admiring in your own La La land, to try looking around other people's posts, there are some posters who constantly quote their points in Japanese and never get the same degree of embarrassment as you have now.
From Caela:
(2) "ga" is usually a subject signifier...the importance/stress of the sentence is on the "I".
If you continue to believe like this yourself, you will continue to get more negative response from more people. When no one replies you, it doesn't always mean they agree with you.
From Caela:
I notice no one disagreeing with me with these previously addressed these points.
Since "koto" (which means "thing", a noun, NOT pronoun) is what you considered the most critical part in this entire chapter 79, I have already seen your "limit" and "capability" and I really don't think you are worth to discuss with at all.
From Caela:
There is no disagreement on the major points...just no one else caring what a pronoun does.
iiXerxes wrote:You guys act like she WANTED kaname to take her. She wasn't whining about him not taking her. She was saying "You're not here to take me back right? Why are you here?" Like that. not like she wanted to come with him. She almost looks possessed when walking to kaname. It's a bit creepy. It's like zero snapped her out of some fantasy land of hers. and she DOES say she knows everything about zero but nothing about kaname. If kaname and yuuki are so close, why does yuuki know basically nothing about what he intends to do? nothing about him? I think it's leaning more towards zeki. Notice how when she started comforting zero, kaname disappeared and she didn't seem to care. and to prove that you guys can't just assume certain things will happen, before chapter 79 came out, most of you thought she'd run to kaname happily and that she'd return home with him...no...her mind was basically focused on zero this chapter and there was barely any yume interaction. Not to ruin your hope for yume, but I think things are starting to change quite a bit. It might not turn out the way you think seeing as how the things you hoped would happen for chapter 79, didn't. When she said kaname's name in her head at the end, it wasn't in a sentence like "I'll return to kaname" or anything. It was her saying she's going to stop kaname. I think she said that BECAUSE of that scene making her realize she really DOES need to stop kaname. and she was OBVIOUSLY crying for zero. Why would she stroke his head and cry for kaname? she was looking straight at zero when she was crying and if she were crying for kaname, you would think she'd care that he just disappeared. and her horrified look towards kaname when he was explaining what he did, led to her crying for zero. she was stroking zero's head to comfort him. she was no doubt, crying for zero only.
I loved your post Xerxes!!! <3<3<3 Everyone keeps saying zeki's are supposed to be the hopeful ones... but why are all the yumes always so defensive when there's supposably nothing to defend? Cuz Kaname is PERFECT, right? ^^ I will not say Zero is 100% perfect, i'm not that arrogant. He makes mistakes just like any normal person. I admit to the mistakes he's made, but honestly, i can't recall something he physically did that deserves him being sent to hell or anything... I do support the pairing of Yuuki & Zero, but I don't hate Kaname because he's a love rival...just to make that clear. I just dislike him as a person because of a lot of things he's done and how much of a jeeeeerk he was to Zero in the past, and even now. I COULD have supported him and Yuuki as a couple, sure.... if I actually thought he were a good guy.
iiXerxes wrote:You guys act like she WANTED kaname to take her. She wasn't whining about him not taking her. She was saying "You're not here to take me back right? Why are you here?" Like that. not like she wanted to come with him. She almost looks possessed when walking to kaname. It's a bit creepy. It's like zero snapped her out of some fantasy land of hers. and she DOES say she knows everything about zero but nothing about kaname. If kaname and yuuki are so close, why does yuuki know basically nothing about what he intends to do? nothing about him? I think it's leaning more towards zeki. Notice how when she started comforting zero, kaname disappeared and she didn't seem to care. and to prove that you guys can't just assume certain things will happen, before chapter 79 came out, most of you thought she'd run to kaname happily and that she'd return home with him...no...her mind was basically focused on zero this chapter and there was barely any yume interaction. Not to ruin your hope for yume, but I think things are starting to change quite a bit. It might not turn out the way you think seeing as how the things you hoped would happen for chapter 79, didn't. When she said kaname's name in her head at the end, it wasn't in a sentence like "I'll return to kaname" or anything. It was her saying she's going to stop kaname. I think she said that BECAUSE of that scene making her realize she really DOES need to stop kaname. and she was OBVIOUSLY crying for zero. Why would she stroke his head and cry for kaname? she was looking straight at zero when she was crying and if she were crying for kaname, you would think she'd care that he just disappeared. and her horrified look towards kaname when he was explaining what he did, led to her crying for zero. she was stroking zero's head to comfort him. she was no doubt, crying for zero only.
I don't really understand what the differences are in the translations that you guys are talking about.
零のことはこんなにわかるのに = "Even though I know Zero like this,"
私が枢の何をわかってないのか = "which thing of Kaname I don't know?"
Even though I know that thing of Zero (i.e. knowing that Zero prayed for her happiness), I don't know what of that of Kaname (whether or not Kaname also wishes for her happiness)
How is it that I know everything about Zero. But nothing about Kaname?
I think she said that BECAUSE of that scene making her realize she really DOES need to stop kaname. and she was OBVIOUSLY crying for zero.
When our eyes met…Kaname…my Kaname is right over there…and I must follow him…
You guys act like she WANTED kaname to take her. She wasn't whining about him not taking her. She was saying "You're not here to take me back right? Why are you here?" Like that. not like she wanted to come with him.
When our eyes met…Kaname…my Kaname is right over there…and I must follow him…
I think it's leaning more towards zeki. Notice how when she started comforting zero, kaname disappeared and she didn't seem to care. and to prove that you guys can't just assume certain things will happen, before chapter 79 came out, most of you thought she'd run to kaname happily and that she'd return home with him...no...her mind was basically focused on zero this chapter and there was barely any yume interaction.
juliet wrote:Please all sides now stop the flaming and the spamming as well, there is no need for further fires to be exchanged on the subject of translating; i think that its obvious that the more reliable translation that we can get is the one that the japanese source provide and not any other way around.
I don't really understand what the differences are in the translations that you guys are talking about.
The differences are as follow;
零のことはこんなにわかるのに = "Even though I know Zero like this,"
私が枢の何をわかってないのか = "which thing of Kaname I don't know?"
is the translation from the japanese that Solar provides
and the translation that Ceala provides;
Even though I know that thing of Zero (i.e. knowing that Zero prayed for her happiness), I don't know what of that of Kaname (whether or not Kaname also wishes for her happiness)
and the original chinese to english translation that we had originally from Senbyafanatic (with all respect to the effort made and the time that she took to translate the chinese raws for us) is:
How is it that I know everything about Zero. But nothing about Kaname?
To me it does not make at all of a difference, simply because either Yuuki understands a part of Kaname, or does not understand him at all, its not her mistake that she fails to see the truth behind him, because HE is the one that does not want her to see.
So in my opinion she is right, she understands the core and basic fact which is her inability to understand; and this is important because this is an element that once she spots it, she can move forward. She questions herself and that means that she cares enough to do so.
Personally I just see it as a failure to count the commas that a phrase has in order to support what?
That Yuuki does not love Kaname?
She calls him MY KANAME
That she does not trust him?
As it was supported before it is a stranger in this case, Takuma, who says to Kaname that Yuuki still believes in him and if Takuma can support such an argument and form such an opinion after seeing Yuuki for some moments, imagine if he had been around her.
To state perhaps that she does not want to follow him?
I think she said that BECAUSE of that scene making her realize she really DOES need to stop kaname. and she was OBVIOUSLY crying for zero.
That's the first line that crosses her mind when she sees him...
When our eyes met…Kaname…my Kaname is right over there…and I must follow him…
You guys act like she WANTED kaname to take her. She wasn't whining about him not taking her. She was saying "You're not here to take me back right? Why are you here?" Like that. not like she wanted to come with him.
it is only after she realizes that he is not there as a whole that she is questioning what it is that he wants there, since he did not come for her...here the initial phrase once more;
When our eyes met…Kaname…my Kaname is right over there…and I must follow him…
So what are we discussing about? what are we doubting that hard? the self -evident...but please tell me when you jump in lines like this and conclusions...
I think it's leaning more towards zeki. Notice how when she started comforting zero, kaname disappeared and she didn't seem to care. and to prove that you guys can't just assume certain things will happen, before chapter 79 came out, most of you thought she'd run to kaname happily and that she'd return home with him...no...her mind was basically focused on zero this chapter and there was barely any yume interaction.
...what do you do with the above lines that scream for her need to be with him, to follow him, to understand him DESPITE everything...Do you ditch them, do you overview or tend to ignore them to make the meaning much easier and simplistic than what it really is?
iiXerxes wrote:She looks possessed when going to follow kaname. Why do i feel as if he did something..knowing kaname, he would do things like that since he's done awful things before. But u once again ignore the obvious thing. That she was crying for zero and IGNORED kaname. If she's so focused on kaname like you said, why didn't she care he disappeared huh? I think yuuki's pretty frustrated with kaname right now...I wouldn't be surprised. But it isn't like yuuki to just forget everything and walk to kaname like a zombie. IMO she looks completely out of it and thats not really romantic but weird. And I'm pretty sure she looked sad when first talking to kaname because of zero's grip hurting her arm. It said that in a translation...but at the end, you fail to see that zero and yuuki looked like they were having a conversation through thoughts. being able to tell what each other's thinking surpasses love... I think zero and yuuki have a much greater bond than kaname and yuuki...but you guys don't see any love in their relationship (i have no idea why..) so i might as well stop here. Just because kaname was standing near her doesn't mean her thoughts were only focused on kaname...yeah she says his name at the end but that's not that exciting...she's realizing she needs to STOP him, not go to him or anything.
iiXerxes wrote:
She looks possessed when going to follow kaname. Why do i feel as if he did something..knowing kaname, he would do things like that since he's done awful things before. But u once again ignore the obvious thing. That she was crying for zero and IGNORED kaname. If she's so focused on kaname like you said, why didn't she care he disappeared huh? I think yuuki's pretty frustrated with kaname right now...I wouldn't be surprised. But it isn't like yuuki to just forget everything and walk to kaname like a zombie. IMO she looks completely out of it and thats not really romantic but weird. And I'm pretty sure she looked sad when first talking to kaname because of zero's grip hurting her arm. It said that in a translation...but at the end, you fail to see that zero and yuuki looked like they were having a conversation through thoughts. being able to tell what each other's thinking surpasses love... I think zero and yuuki have a much greater bond than kaname and yuuki...but you guys don't see any love in their relationship (i have no idea why..) so i might as well stop here. Just because kaname was standing near her doesn't mean her thoughts were only focused on kaname...yeah she says his name at the end but that's not that exciting...she's realizing she needs to STOP him, not go to him or anything.
aya-chan wrote:While I read your post, different feelings went through my body
I did my best in finding a nice way to reply you - I cannot do more than that.
Yuuki's reaction when she saw kaname:
when you love someone, and you did not see that person for a long time, you would walk unconsciouly towards that person. This was yuuki's case.
She saw kaname, and she walked unconsciouly towards him. Yuuki was not possesed, but she was overwhelmed by her desire to go to him and be to him.
When yuuki realised the kaname in front of her isn't the real kaname, yuuki was dissapointed, and she suffered because kaname did not come to take her with him, how he did in the past.
Possesed was zero's arm which stopped yuuki going to kaname.
Yuuki said countless time she need to stop kaname, and when kaname, or his familiar was in front of her, her thoughts were obvious: she wanted to go to him, to be taken away by him, she wanted to be together with kaname.
FYIiiXerxes wrote:aya-chan wrote:While I read your post, different feelings went through my body
I did my best in finding a nice way to reply you - I cannot do more than that.
Yuuki's reaction when she saw kaname:
when you love someone, and you did not see that person for a long time, you would walk unconsciouly towards that person. This was yuuki's case.
She saw kaname, and she walked unconsciouly towards him. Yuuki was not possesed, but she was overwhelmed by her desire to go to him and be to him.
When yuuki realised the kaname in front of her isn't the real kaname, yuuki was dissapointed, and she suffered because kaname did not come to take her with him, how he did in the past.
Possesed was zero's arm which stopped yuuki going to kaname.
Yuuki said countless time she need to stop kaname, and when kaname, or his familiar was in front of her, her thoughts were obvious: she wanted to go to him, to be taken away by him, she wanted to be together with kaname.
That's your opinion. but even if it were a zeki scene, I'd still think it's kind of weird. more creepy than romantic. When zero grabbed her arm, it looks like she snapped out of something. Even if she wasn't possessed or anything, its just kind of odd...I can understand being overwhelmed about seeing someone you love that you haven't seen for a long time, but what she said in her thoughts were weird too. "My kaname...I must follow him" It's like she's going to obey her master...but that's not what i was really concerned about anyway so..
"My kaname...I must follow him" It's like she's going to obey her master...but that's not what i was really concerned about anyway so..
yukikuran90210 wrote:she was not being possessed she was mearly wanting to see kaname and ask him all the qustions that have been in her mind!! and it was NOT like a master and survent thing she called him "my kaname" she did it because he is her love and belongs to her and her alone. AND i would like it if you could be more understanding of the yume's on this chat room.
p.s i do understand where you are coming from but just because you are a zuki and we are yume's (i am not saying you are the only zuki here) if we are haveing a bit of a go at you it is not because you are a zuki it is because we are questning your way of thinking!!! as i said we are not trying to be mean to you!!! (i dont speek for all the yumes because they may disagree with what i am saying)
like i said i do see what you mean, and you dont need to shut up you are free to think what you want!!iiXerxes wrote:yukikuran90210 wrote:she was not being possessed she was mearly wanting to see kaname and ask him all the qustions that have been in her mind!! and it was NOT like a master and survent thing she called him "my kaname" she did it because he is her love and belongs to her and her alone. AND i would like it if you could be more understanding of the yume's on this chat room.
p.s i do understand where you are coming from but just because you are a zuki and we are yume's (i am not saying you are the only zuki here) if we are haveing a bit of a go at you it is not because you are a zuki it is because we are questning your way of thinking!!! as i said we are not trying to be mean to you!!! (i dont speek for all the yumes because they may disagree with what i am saying)
I know. I'm not trying to be mean either. I think it looked like a servant obeying her master and you think it looks like shes just happy to see him...I never said you couldn't think what you wanted. this forum is for discussing what we think. I'm not bashing you guys or disrespecting you...I've said numerous times that I'm not trying to be mean. If my replies are THAT bad..then I'll shut up ._.
and at juliet...you're right. but I still think she just looks possessed. not saying she IS but she looks it. and I myself just find that a bit creepy. I've seen others thinking the same thing.
i was not really ufended by what you said (it takes alot to ufend me i'm really mellow)but i do understand how the other yumes feel,so try to pick you words carefuly ok? 
Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:Actually we did learn something from Kaname, I was quite interested and pleased to learn something new about his "sin". But everyone keeps trying to say its not even true...eh, whatever but I believe it.
Katherine wrote:Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:Actually we did learn something from Kaname, I was quite interested and pleased to learn something new about his "sin". But everyone keeps trying to say its not even true...eh, whatever but I believe it.
I won´t post the links to the pages in the manga where you can see that it isn´t true again...you can find them in a lot of threads, just keep your eyes open
Furthermore think about the following sentence and give an answer to it:
" We already know what Kaname is trying to do...what is Yuuki to Kaname and how far would he go to protect her (and keep her away from him so that she is safe)?"
Narutomanga1234 wrote:Did anyone feel dissapointed in the new chapter? If so pls describe why. (For me i felt dissapointed because there is not much KanameXYuuki action
Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:Katherine wrote:Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:Actually we did learn something from Kaname, I was quite interested and pleased to learn something new about his "sin". But everyone keeps trying to say its not even true...eh, whatever but I believe it.
I won´t post the links to the pages in the manga where you can see that it isn´t true again...you can find them in a lot of threads, just keep your eyes open
Furthermore think about the following sentence and give an answer to it:
" We already know what Kaname is trying to do...what is Yuuki to Kaname and how far would he go to protect her (and keep her away from him so that she is safe)?"
Well, he has gone to extremes in the past, but I just don't understand the widely used theory of him trying to get her to hate him to protect her. I see no cause for that as of yet.
By the way, your sig picture is the vampire diaries right? To be honest, I did read the books and loved them,(though its been awhile) the television series made Damon ( i think thats his name) just as beautiful as he was described in the book, but as with edward from twilight, they ruined the other main guys image... ( i can't remember his name) I tried watching a couple eps of the series when it started but I couldn't stand it since it changed so much from the book and basically only kept the character names the same. But despite that, is it really a good series? Not cheesy is it?
You have the freedom to decide yourself) I like to see that there are so many fans out there who loved the books or/and the series 
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