WHO WAS THE PURE-VAMPIRE THAT ATTACKED FUKA, AND TRASFORMED HER IN A VAMPIRE (in the first romance)???

Well, I just read for the first time the first Romance of Vk...and it was so touching...:'( I cryed a lot...!! However my quest is: WHO WAS THE PURE-VAMPIRE THAT ATTACKED FUKA, AND TRASFORMED HER IN A VAMPIRE?! This unknown pureblood is certanly a big heart man/woman..because he/she saves the Fuka's life after her fatal accident..but still he/she curse Fuka because her destiny was written (after that day) with the blood: she'll become a Level E vampire... I think maybe it was Kaname..because he wanted to do research of treatment in order to decelerate the transformation in a level E...maybe it's an unknown pure-bloods vampire...maybe Sara Shirabuki who has a weak for young pretty girls...(I don't think at Rido, 'cuz he was slepping in his coffin...)..the others remains: Touma, Ouri (he was still alive because the romance is before the story of vk), Hnadagi, Shouto, Hiou..maybe this last one...but Fuka was a little fish, I don't think that Shizuka would save a life in that way unless she was hungry...in my opinion I think that Sara would attacked Fuka and save her life...but Sara doesn't take her in her Harem... O.o It looks strange...So maybe finally it was Kaname!! ^^ And u what do u think about it?! ^^

kialovejapan wrote:Well, I just read for the first time the first Romance of Vk...and it was so touching...:'( I cryed a lot...!! However my quest is: WHO WAS THE PURE-VAMPIRE THAT ATTACKED FUKA, AND TRASFORMED HER IN A VAMPIRE?! This unknown pureblood is certanly a big heart man/woman..because he/she saves the Fuka's life after her fatal accident..but still he/she curse Fuka because her destiny was written (after that day) with the blood: she'll become a Level E vampire... I think maybe it was Kaname..because he wanted to do research of treatment in order to decelerate the transformation in a level E...maybe it's an unknown pure-bloods vampire...maybe Sara Shirabuki who has a weak for young pretty girls...(I don't think at Rido, 'cuz he was slepping in his coffin...)..the others remains: Touma, Ouri (he was still alive because the romance is before the story of vk), Hnadagi, Shouto, Hiou..maybe this last one...but Fuka was a little fish, I don't think that Shizuka would save a life in that way unless she was hungry...in my opinion I think that Sara would attacked Fuka and save her life...but Sara doesn't take her in her Harem... O.o It looks strange...So maybe finally it was Kaname!! ^^ And u what do u think about it?! ^^

can you post the parts or the extracts that describe the above? I know it can be tiring but that's the only way to get the idea...

for whoever do not know it Kia's question is about Fuka, an heroine in the Ice blue novel....

I do not exactly remember it as i have read it a long time...

Kaname does not bite humans - he went starving and fainted in the streets from hunger in order not to bite them/ he resisted doing so and was ready to sacrifice his life- he wouldn't ruin a life for an experiment - its not his profile anyway...plus she did not recognize him.

The one changing humans was the council though and wanted to place Rido as a puppet in order to take control over humanity, therefore Kaname was against the council...and for Yuuki of course...didn't Fuka see the vampire that attacked her? i can't remember...

if i could take a guess i most likely believe that it could be Shizuka> she used to be fed with humans that the council provided...

Sara seems to take with gentleness what she wants its not her style either, Shizuka's family also perhaps..since Hio's had a familly accordance with the council...

Isaya just woke up from slumber...and it does not match his profile either, Hanadagi was in slumber (unless he got up and did parties on his own that nobody knew about)

Touma now - I have no clue but his share the same ideas with Sara and Shizuka about humans so i am not sure...but these three are the ones left ftom the currently known ones.

Maybe you ask me to put a link where you can read the Ice blue novel?!Ok here you are, look at the page 35 and after ^^
http://www.iconcloset.com/mvh/downloads/vk_novel.pdf
Well I agree with you about Kaname,Fuka didn't rememeber anything about that fatal accident, she had only flashback of what happened..the most probably would be Shizuka, she doesn't do regard to the others life especially for humans...so

juliet wrote:

Kaname does not bite humans - he went starving and fainted in the streets from hunger in order not to bite them/ he resisted doing so and was ready to sacrifice his life- he wouldn't ruin a life for an experiment - its not his profile anyway...plus she did not recognize him.

The one changing humans was the council though and wanted to place Rido as a puppet in order to take control over humanity, therefore Kaname was against the council...and for Yuuki of course...didn't Fuka see the vampire that attacked her? i can't remember.

Kaname did bite humans offered by the council

http://www.mangarush.com/manga/vampire-knight/48/p-16
http://www.mangarush.com/manga/vampire-knight/48/p-17

and b/c I'm so confused about Seiren I thought she might be one of them..hmm but Hino keeping her age also a secret gives me thoughts that she could be an old being.


However from reading through the novel if I remember well no hint referred to who bit Fuka. And I personally think it wasn't Kaname but some other pureblood.

Falc0n wrote:

juliet wrote:

Kaname does not bite humans - he went starving and fainted in the streets from hunger in order not to bite them/ he resisted doing so and was ready to sacrifice his life- he wouldn't ruin a life for an experiment - its not his profile anyway...plus she did not recognize him.

The one changing humans was the council though and wanted to place Rido as a puppet in order to take control over humanity, therefore Kaname was against the council...and for Yuuki of course...didn't Fuka see the vampire that attacked her? i can't remember.

Kaname did bite humans offered by the council

http://www.mangarush.com/manga/vampire-knight/48/p-16
http://www.mangarush.com/manga/vampire-knight/48/p-17

and b/c I'm so confused about Seiren I thought she might be one of them..hmm but Hino keeping her age also a secret gives me thoughts that she could be an old being.


However from reading through the novel if I remember well no hint referred to who bit her. And I personally think it wasn't Kaname but some other pureblood.

by necessity, not true will...plus as i understand these humans were offerings, not fuka's case. i know, it certainly does not fit Kaname's character and style.

juliet wrote:

Falc0n wrote:

juliet wrote:

Kaname does not bite humans - he went starving and fainted in the streets from hunger in order not to bite them/ he resisted doing so and was ready to sacrifice his life- he wouldn't ruin a life for an experiment - its not his profile anyway...plus she did not recognize him.

The one changing humans was the council though and wanted to place Rido as a puppet in order to take control over humanity, therefore Kaname was against the council...and for Yuuki of course...didn't Fuka see the vampire that attacked her? i can't remember.

Kaname did bite humans offered by the council

http://www.mangarush.com/manga/vampire-knight/48/p-16
http://www.mangarush.com/manga/vampire-knight/48/p-17

and b/c I'm so confused about Seiren I thought she might be one of them..hmm but Hino keeping her age also a secret gives me thoughts that she could be an old being.


However from reading through the novel if I remember well no hint referred to who bit her. And I personally think it wasn't Kaname but some other pureblood.

by necessity, not true will...plus as i understand these humans were offerings, not fuka's case. i know, it certainly does not fit Kaname's character and style.

I agree with you about Fuka's case.

but do you deny that Kaname did bite those human sacrifices ?
do you mean he "faked" that he bit them ? xD

but do you deny that Kaname did bite those human sacrifices ?
do you mean he "faked" that he bit them ? xD

no reread my answer please, what i am saying is obvious so there is no reason for you to be confused.

juliet wrote:

but do you deny that Kaname did bite those human sacrifices ?
do you mean he "faked" that he bit them ? xD

no reread my answer please, what i am saying is obvious so there is no reason for you to be confused.

nope, I am confused. and I didn't get what you exactly mean, especially you saying " not true will"

thus I'd appreciate it if you explain more please

Falc0n wrote:

juliet wrote:

but do you deny that Kaname did bite those human sacrifices ?
do you mean he "faked" that he bit them ? xD

no reread my answer please, what i am saying is obvious so there is no reason for you to be confused.

nope, I am confused. and I didn't get what you exactly mean, especially you saying " not true will"

thus I'd appreciate it if you explain more please

the Kurans were actually the humans shield against the purebloods> thus there were two factions: the one that saw humans as equals and supported monarchy (kurans) and the other one (council) that saw them as food. It is described in the fan book. So saying that Kaname ever wished to change humans cancels the whole background story that we know.

At a point Kaname submits to the council because that's a current necessity> we never actually saw what happened with these humans, but i can not count on them as victims>even if he bite them
I can not accept that he did it intentionally or that they were in danger of falling to level-e.

kaname in any case can not be compared with a blood thirsty vampire as Rido or Shizuka that ate humans so his incident for the council does not count for me because it was fixed from both sides and both of them had their reasons; is that a true biting attack? no, that simple.

1- The light novel wasn't written by Hino . So the author couldn't know everything Hino did from her characters .

2- The novel's author probably only know about the existance of Shizuka and Kaname as purebloods . Making Shizuka a suspect of turning that girl .

3- As the novel's author didn't knew there were 7 pureblood vampire families or how many they were . She could just wanted to use a random pureblood vampire .

4- If the light novel wanted to make Kaname being the one who turned her . Most probably this would had being stated by the plot . No need to hide this .


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About the human sacrifice given by the Vampire Senate to Kaname .

There is so little information about this . All from chapter 48 . But for what it appears . This happened only once . Kaname did said he don't wanted to kill that one . Most probably he will not let that person become a Level E either . This means Kaname would stabilize any vampire he created .

The only vampire that is Kaname's servant is Seiren . Level D stabilized are servants of their pureblood master . So I think Seiren is the one given as sacrifice to Kaname from the Vampire Senate .

juliet wrote:
the Kurans were actually the humans shield against the purebloods> thus there were two factions: the one that saw humans as equals and supported monarchy (kurans) and the other one (council) that saw them as food. It is described in the fan book. So saying that Kaname ever wished to change humans cancels the whole background story that we know.

At a point Kaname submits to the council because that's a current necessity> we never actually saw what happened with these humans, but i can not count on them as victims>even if he bite them
I can not accept that he did it intentionally or that they were in danger of falling to level-e.

kaname in any case can not be compared with a blood thirsty vampire as Rido or Shizuka that ate humans so his incident for the council does not count for me because it was fixed from both sides and both of them had their reasons; is that a true biting attack? no, that simple.

I totally agree about Kaname's noble cause, yet it doesn't change the fact that he did bite humans regardless of his noble reason. But still, I highly respect Kaname for his deeds for the humans so far which caused him and still causing him much suffering.

Sara changed those girls who "willingly" wanted to become vampires and she stabilized them too. but even so, I personally highly condemn her in this specific act. And I highly condemn hunters for agreeing to this.

And sorry, I didn't mean to compare someone as noble as Kaname to some lowly b*tch like Sara, but just to elaborate my point.

I can see now HW viewing purebloods as the root of the problem. she sacrificed herself to stop them from manipulating humans for any reason.

mariangie wrote:
About the human sacrifice given by the Vampire Senate to Kaname .

There
is so little information about this . All from chapter 48 . But for
what it appears . This happened only once . Kaname did said he don't
wanted to kill that one . Most probably he will not let that person
become a Level E either . This means Kaname would stabilize any vampire
he created .

The only vampire that is Kaname's servant is Seiren
. Level D stabilized are servants of their pureblood master . So I
think Seiren is the one given as sacrifice to Kaname from the Vampire
Senate .

yes, not much info was given. and we're not sure if they're one or more, no?

About Seiren, I donno but I'm waiting for some epic secret from Hino regarding her character.
b/c for Hino to keep her age, family name and level unknown till now it sounds
fishy.

to me, there no surprising\shocking realization with her being a Level D
vampire and with the age of 18 for example. it would sound very lame to
me.
me guess she might be some old being.

Falc0n wrote:

mariangie wrote:
About the human sacrifice given by the Vampire Senate to Kaname .

There
is so little information about this . All from chapter 48 . But for
what it appears . This happened only once . Kaname did said he don't
wanted to kill that one . Most probably he will not let that person
become a Level E either . This means Kaname would stabilize any vampire
he created .

The only vampire that is Kaname's servant is Seiren
. Level D stabilized are servants of their pureblood master . So I
think Seiren is the one given as sacrifice to Kaname from the Vampire
Senate .

yes, not much info was given. and we're not sure if they're one or more, no?

About Seiren, I donno but I'm waiting for some epic secret from Hino regarding her character.
b/c for Hino to keep her age, family name and level unknown till now it sounds
fishy.

to me, there no surprising\shocking realization with her being a Level D
vampire and with the age of 18 for example. it would sound very lame to
me.
me guess she might be some old being.

I won't expect Seiren to be an old vampire . She would break the mold of School- aged vampire beautiful guys and gals . Of course I know you're thinking Kaname is 10,000 years old . But his physical body is only the one of a 19 years old vampire guy - or about 38 - 39 human years one .

How old Seiren could be ? I only could speculate . The only clue of how a Level D vampire ages comes from Zero . For now , Zero appears to have aged at the exact rate as a normal human . But maybe the norm for a Level D stabilized is 2 human years for 1 vampire year . Similar to the rule of aging of level B and A until adulthood .

I know Kaname was about 13 to 13 1/2 Vampire years when the Vampire Senate offered him the human sacrifice . I would not expected they giving Kaname a full adult then . Maybe someone close to his age . Or the human would be too high for Kaname to reach his / her neck .

In the best scenario Seiren was 12 to 14 human years when she was offered as sacrifice to Kaname . She then aged 2 human years for each 1 vampire year she aged in 10 human years .

This means :

12 + ( 10/2 ) = 12 + 5 = 17 years in appearance

13 + ( 10/2) = 13 + 5 = 18 years in appearance

14 + ( 10/2 ) = 14 + 5 = 19 years in appearance

So I think I pulled out how Seiren could look 19 years old now .


In the worst scenario . The case of stabilized Level D aging at the same rate as humans . Seiren could be bitten as a little kid . When she was about 8 to 9 years old .

Making : 8 + 10 years = 18

or
9 + 10 years = 19 years

In reality , I don't expect a lot of explanations about Seiren . As her role is a minor one . Maybe only to say if she was the human Kaname bited as a child or not .

I've just review th episode 5 of Vk...and kaname sais to Yuuki that he isn't agree with the vampires ex-uman... so I think is unlikely that Kaname's bittenFuka...the most probably is Shizuka...!!!

mariangie wrote:
I won't expect Seiren to be an old vampire . She would break the mold of School- aged vampire beautiful guys and gals . Of course I know you're thinking Kaname is 10,000 years old . But his physical body is only the one of a 19 years old vampire guy - or about 38 - 39 human years one .

How old Seiren could be ? I only could speculate . The only clue of how a Level D vampire ages comes from Zero . For now , Zero appears to have aged at the exact rate as a normal human . But maybe the norm for a Level D stabilized is 2 human years for 1 vampire year . Similar to the rule of aging of level B and A until adulthood .

I know Kaname was about 13 to 13 1/2 Vampire years when the Vampire Senate offered him the human sacrifice . I would not expected they giving Kaname a full adult then . Maybe someone close to his age . Or the human would be too high for Kaname to reach his / her neck .

In the best scenario Seiren was 12 to 14 human years when she was offered as sacrifice to Kaname . She then aged 2 human years for each 1 vampire year she aged in 10 human years .

This means :

12 + ( 10/2 ) = 12 + 5 = 17 years in appearance

13 + ( 10/2) = 13 + 5 = 18 years in appearance

14 + ( 10/2 ) = 14 + 5 = 19 years in appearance

So I think I pulled out how Seiren could look 19 years old now .


In the worst scenario . The case of stabilized Level D aging at the same rate as humans . Seiren could be bitten as a little kid . When she was about 8 to 9 years old .

Making : 8 + 10 years = 18

or
9 + 10 years = 19 years

In reality , I don't expect a lot of explanations about Seiren . As her role is a minor one . Maybe only to say if she was the human Kaname bited as a child or not .

And that's a good reason for Hino to keep everything about her a secret. xD (I'll stick to this until Hino reveal her secret)
Touma looks as a child but is much older than the now Kaname. how come ?? yet another mystery xD

but notice I said "old being" so maybe Kaname created her or something. he's a scientist, who knows what he did with his knowledge other than weapons and tablets xDDD b/c hiding her family name is weird. I mean wtf?! Hino couldn't think of a name to attach her to ?? or simply shrugged it off ?? or maybe she doesn't have a family xDD


lol to reach the sacrifice neck is not a problem. s/he will kneel (like he does for Yuuki to drink from him.)
but I think older human = more blood = more satisfaction xD
or could be the blood of children more delicious and pure ? hmm


anyways, if Seiren was 8 when she was bitten and lets say she was one of many. there must be something in her that Kaname found interesting. hmm it must be.. *ponders Seiren* being cold, calm, taking the matter as a duty, willing to become a vampire simply to satisfy the purebloods thirst. showing loyalty, obedience and utmost respect.

Falc0n wrote:

mariangie wrote:
I won't expect Seiren to be an old vampire . She would break the mold of School- aged vampire beautiful guys and gals . Of course I know you're thinking Kaname is 10,000 years old . But his physical body is only the one of a 19 years old vampire guy - or about 38 - 39 human years one .

How old Seiren could be ? I only could speculate . The only clue of how a Level D vampire ages comes from Zero . For now , Zero appears to have aged at the exact rate as a normal human . But maybe the norm for a Level D stabilized is 2 human years for 1 vampire year . Similar to the rule of aging of level B and A until adulthood .

I know Kaname was about 13 to 13 1/2 Vampire years when the Vampire Senate offered him the human sacrifice . I would not expected they giving Kaname a full adult then . Maybe someone close to his age . Or the human would be too high for Kaname to reach his / her neck .

In the best scenario Seiren was 12 to 14 human years when she was offered as sacrifice to Kaname . She then aged 2 human years for each 1 vampire year she aged in 10 human years .

This means :

12 + ( 10/2 ) = 12 + 5 = 17 years in appearance

13 + ( 10/2) = 13 + 5 = 18 years in appearance

14 + ( 10/2 ) = 14 + 5 = 19 years in appearance

So I think I pulled out how Seiren could look 19 years old now .


In the worst scenario . The case of stabilized Level D aging at the same rate as humans . Seiren could be bitten as a little kid . When she was about 8 to 9 years old .

Making : 8 + 10 years = 18

or
9 + 10 years = 19 years

In reality , I don't expect a lot of explanations about Seiren . As her role is a minor one . Maybe only to say if she was the human Kaname bited as a child or not .

And that's a good reason for Hino to keep everything about a secret. xD (I'll stick to this until Hino reveal her secret)
Touma looks as a child but is much older than the now Kaname. how come ?? yet another mystery xD

but notice I said "old being" so maybe Kaname created her or something. he's a scientist, who knows what he did with his knowledge other than weapons and tablets xDDD b/c hiding her family name is weird. I mean wtf?! Hino couldn't think of a name to attach her to ?? or simply shrugged it off ?? or maybe she doesn't have a family xDD


lol to reach the sacrifice neck is not a problem. s/he will kneel (like he does for Yuuki to drink from him.)
but I think older human = more blood = more satisfaction xD
or could be the blood of children more delicious and pure ? hmm


anyways, if Seiren was 8 when she was bitten and lets say she was one of many. there must be something in her that Kaname found interesting. hmm it must be.. *ponders Seiren* being cold, calm, taking the matter as a duty, willing to become a vampire simply to satisfy the purebloods thirst. showing loyalty, obedience and utmost respect.

Kaname doesn't appear he has drink from many humans in his long life . The ones the story had shown he drank from his past he used a syringe to take the blood . It appears Kaname is very concern with the issue of him converting humans to vampires or killing them . He said at chapter 48 he was drinking blood tablets to prevent killing the human ( one human ).

Kaname : " I'm taking them ( the tablets ) so I don't kill the offering . Apparently it's a frail human ... A human ... who wants to become a vampire . "

The strange thing is ; if Kaname will not considered killing the human . Nor probably let that human become a Level E . Meaning he will stabilize any humam he turned to vampire to a Level D . What happened and where is that ex - human , now stabilized - Level D vampire at this present time ? Very strange for the story to not reveal the existance of this vampire servant .

Another thing is there is no evidence of Kaname having Seiren as servant before the events of the Night Class . If Seiren was an old Kuran family and /or Kaname servant . She most probably would had appear during the night Rido attacked the Kuran Manor . Helping Kaname with Yuuki .

Between the time Kaname was reawaken by Rido until the night Yuuki became human . Kaname didn't had the need of drinking from humans . As most probably Haruka and Juuri provided him with blood . There could be the possibility of Kaname starting to use blood tablets before the Rido attack incident . Because he desired Yuuki's blood and she was too small for him taking blood from her . She had no fangs then . Only the equivalent of vampire baby teeth .

We know Kaname mostly drank blood tablets until the time Yuuki returned to vampire . I don't expect Kaname drinking from a lot of humans during the ten years of Yuuki as human . Less to not had saw all those vampire servants of Kaname's yet .

The case of Touma , I think is different than Seiren . Touma is a pureblood vampire . He could had decided to take a very long slumber . After reawakening , took the body of a baby as a precaution for not killing everything on his way . ( Similar to Kaname's reawakening . )The other possibility is ; Touma likes to look as a kid . So he just make him look that way with a spell . If this is important , the story will clarify soon .

I agree with u, Kaname is against the transormation of ex-uman in level E... and I think that Seiren wasn't bitten by Kanamw, looking at the funbook Rido had another woman, maybe with her he had another child, maybe Seiren, this explain why Seiren is so faithful to Kaname, this is my thought...