Can Sara Be Related to the Ancestor Lady?

nuitetoile21 wrote:oh I hope you are wrong. really if scenario turns this wasy I will be very dissapointed. Sara - ancestor??NO WAY!!
oh and I have and an fact that ''destroys''(i am sorry for the word, i can't think any other now) your theory: ancestor wanted to procted humans - and we saw how sara using them. couldn't be the same person! their ideologies are very different!

neosolaris12 wrote:**ATTENTION SPOILERS FROM CHAPTER 67!!***

Sara Shirabuki = Ancestor Pureblood Woman???

I can't see how Sara could be reincarnation of the ancestor. Yes the hooded woman was a very pushy-bossy lady and had leadership abilities but further than that I can't find any similarities. Their ideologies as nuit pointed out are completely opposite.

neosolaris12 wrote:
So with your question on a progenitor...I'm a bit confused with that too. If there is one source from which the vampires were born, then I'm not sure if it's either Kaname or the ancestor lady. I thought they were just like any other pureblood that were born at that time, but with different humanitarian ideals (which is another thing to note: what makes them different thinkers than their kind?). But then if all the purebloods were born at a certain time frame from different regions, where did they come from? Did they come from human mothers? And a BIG question: How can a climate change make someone immortal? (I can understand mutation can result in them being monsters but everlasting life?). That question irks me too. It's kind of weird when you think about it. I'm going to say some human woman made a pact with the devil and gave birth to them. Maybe he's the progenitor lol.

Spoiler:

As we can see from ancestor's words, some humans gave birth the first vampires, the so called ancestors, but they were scattering all over the world. After the climate changes they started to look for their own kind and gathered all together. Hooded woman's parents loved and protected her, but we don't know anything about Kanames parents (or the parents of the other ancestors-vampires). Did they loved him? Did they accepted him? My guess is that for some reason Kaname had to leave his family, cuz through many scenes we saw him to wondering around all alone and probably for many many years to the extend he "forgot" his own name. However he liked humans and he was trying to help them and that was the common base with the hooded woman.
So Kaname isn't the progenitor of the vampire race and we don't know for sure if he is the progenitor of the Kuran clan. If he is then my guess is that he must have had children with the hooded woman, mostly because the Kurans are the only PBs who have the ability to use the anti-vampire weapons!
Then, after the sacrifice of the ancestor he became the leader through the war between the PBs, he won the battle and became the King.


I'm not sure if he was the king ... I don't know why but I have a feeling that maybe he wasn't, but the hooded woman she must has a connection with the Kurans ... how? Hino has the answer ...

nuitetoile21 wrote: ancestor wanted to procted humans - and we saw how sara using them. couldn't be the same person! their ideologies are very different!

More over I did not like that she in a way became the main reason that Kaname stained his hands (and he can't stop ever since LOL)... Forget the last part...I never said it LOL

Well if Sara respects the progenitor and yearns for Kaname, there could be a slight possibility that he's the progenitor. But then again,an easy answer is never what Hino-sensei puts in her story, so maybe not. And you have to admit, there are sOOoooo many theories that one can develop from VK.

For instance, if people say the ancestor lady is related to Zero 'cause of the horse (Lily?) and hair, then does that mean Zero has some vampire ancestry in him? A pureblood ancestry? Then what does that tell us about the other hunters? Do they have some vampire ancestry too or are their ability to use the weapons just derive from "feeding" on vampires many years ago? And what about Kaein Cross?

And a BIG question: How can a climate change make someone immortal? (I can understand mutation can result in them being monsters but everlasting life?). That question irks me too. It's kind of weird when you think about it. I'm going to say some human woman made a pact with the devil and gave birth to them. Maybe he's the progenitor lol.

The sequel to my first VK fanfic, "Refugee" does that ...screws with your brain and makes you think and anticipate. Also, I'm hoping to do a manga like Hino-sempai's VK someday, although it's more about (don't laugh) spirituality and the divine power.

Even if the ancestor and Sara have opposite ideals, they do behave somewhat similarly: authoritative, pushy etc. Could it be that the ancestor lady killed herself to let the hunters finish most of her work and found another way to return to continue her "goal"? I'm saying this all on a whim without supportive facts. It was just something I had to put out there and perhaps it's completely impossible. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. If she doesn't have children to take over, then Sara's kingdom will break for sure.

nina wrote: but we don't know anything about Kanames parents (or the parents of the other ancestors-vampires). Did they loved him? Did they accepted him? My guess is that for some reason Kaname had to leave his family, cuz through many scenes we saw him to wondering around all alone and probably for many many years to the extend he "forgot" his own name. However he liked humans and he was trying to help them and that was the common base with the hooded woman.
So Kaname isn't the progenitor of the vampire race and we don't know for sure if he is the progenitor of the Kuran clan. If he is then my guess is that he must have had children with the hooded woman, mostly because the Kurans are the only PBs who have the ability to use the anti-vampire weapons!
Then, after the sacrifice of the ancestor he became the leader through the war between the PBs, he won the battle and became the King.


I'm not sure if he was the king ... I don't know why but I have a feeling that maybe he wasn't, but the hooded woman she must has a connection with the Kurans ... how? Hino has the answer ...[/color]

Spoiler:

juliet wrote:
It is stated that Kaname was the progenitor (official volumes) of the Kurans but we are not sure who the progenitor of the vampire race as it is mentioned -progenitor- is. I also have the feeling that Kaname must have been rejected from his parents and wondered around that much that lost his own memory of his familly (poor guy). I think that he did not manage to become the King but his descedants did. Also just to say my opinion on that I have the feeling that kaname and the ancestor had no descedants together...could Hino skip such an event? and the ancestor would live her own kids to go and sacrifice herself or burden Kaname (who he wanted as a fighter) with the burden of kids as well?

juliet wrote:

Spoiler:

Why aren't we sure about the progenitor of the vampire race? According to hooded woman's words, the progenitor of the vampires was also humans:
" all of us were born from humans parents after all .... even though we happened to be born as a very different form of creatures instead" ??? :craziness...:

If Kaname is the progenitor of the Kurans and he didn't had offsprings with the ancestor woman then how or with whom he created the Kuran clan??? And why only the Kurans have the ability to use anti-vampire weapons ??? Some sort of connection have to be there,between the ancestor- woman and the Kurans.

juliet wrote:
I tend to think that the term 'progenitor of vampires" is a general term like we say the progenitor of today's dog is the wolf...that does not mean that a single wolf existed in the past but many..so Kaname, the hooded-lady and all others (Hanadagi as shown was also an ancestor) are the progenitors of the vampire race. I hope that this is it because it solves my "term" issues.

juliet wrote:
Kaname is the progenitor of the Kuran clan that's stated but we do not know how he did it...vampires do not multiply themeselves, that's a question that Hino has to answer and Yuuki does not care to ask (in my imagination we have not seen the Kuran ancestor yet..)

I tend to think that the term 'progenitor of vampires" is a general term like we say the progenitor of today's dog is the wolf...that does not mean that a single wolf existed in the past but many..so Kaname, the hooded-lady and all others (Hanadagi as shown was also an ancestor) are the progenitors of the vampire race. I hope that this is it because it solves my "term" issues.

If Kaname is the progenitor of the Kurans and he didn't had offsprings with the ancestor woman then how or with whom he created the Kuran clan??? And why only the Kurans have the ability to use anti-vampire weapons ??? Some sort of connection have to be there,between the ancestor- woman and the Kurans.

Kaname is the progenitor of the Kuran clan that's stated but we do not know how he did it...vampires do not multiply themeselves, that's a question that Hino has to answer and Yuuki does not care to ask (in my imagination we have not seen the Kuran ancestor yet..)

Okay, so back to the Sara deal. I admit that there are more impossibilities for her and ancestor lady to be alike. I don't doubt that opinion at all, but there could be some kind of relation. It's not a coincidence that Kaname decided to show Yuki his past right at the point Sara declared herself to want to be queen. And Hino-sempai would not show something without it having some importance. And ancestor lady has big importance. Sara seems to be like the ultimate evil here, and Kaname knows he has to leave Yuuki (whether temporarily or forever) to face her. I'm not saying that they are related now, I just see a connection to the time. I mean, did Sara wanted to be queen before and Kaname and the ancestor woman got in the way? And if she is taking pureblood's blood and hearts now, is she going to use their combined power to overpower the hunter weapons? (she cant make weapons with the hearts because vampires can't use hunter weapons as it seems). There's alot to think about, and Hino-sempai just adds more unexplained scenes that I can't relate to the other mysterious scenes lol.

Almira right? I was just hoping for some justice to come along Teasing you...I would also like to do manga, come to think about it but it's a very hard work..wish you accomplish it.

neosolaris12 wrote:

Almira right? I was just hoping for some justice to come along Teasing you...I would also like to do manga, come to think about it but it's a very hard work..wish you accomplish it.

Oh yes, justice does come along. I said it was going to be a happy ending I'm almost done, just 1 or 2 chapters to go. There is something I'm going to mention at the end which would debate whether I should carry on the story to another sequel, but if I did, I would have to twist the canon around alot more once again, so I thought I should leave the end to people's interpretation. I don't know, we'll see how readers react. I'll post mine here when I'm done. Fanfiction.net is a great site for readers to read, but some comments (sorry to say) lack in constructive criticism, and that's kind of what I need in order to improve myself so I can write my own original work someday. Your fanfic (which I read and I think it's beautiful!) has nice constructive reviews, so maybe I'll post mine here soon too. And thanks! It's going to be tough work creating a manga,and I need more people to help me, but its one of my goals so hopefully it would come around well

Αh thannk you about that Aren't VK fanfics difficult to do? I know I am out of subject but can't help it. Almira had a lot of sensitivity along with a hard core down to earth personality, a good combination that I liked very much as a character. You convinced me about her existence and her feelings, and I wanted her back also!!!

If you have any ideas or need help pm me, I sure enjoy reading and writing that much, keep on and let us know. I really enjoyed it.