sara's bloodtablets

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someone pointed out to me that the shape of the bloodtablets seems to have changed in this chapter, from round to an oval shape. it seems to me sara has altered them probably not just their shape but their formulae too.

personally i think they are going to bring out the vampire nature more, and make vampires thirst more for real blood. sara was thinking about the tablets in her room with her little sara squad in the new chapter. she seemed to be giving the new tablets to them. maybe trying them out?

what are everyone else's opinions on the tablets? and what might it lead too?

juliet wrote:

The explanation that she was spoiled IMO isn’t enough to justify Yuuki’s state of mind and hunger especially right after she had taken tablets …
They should have had a certain effect even for a while but from what we saw ... on the contrary her hunger was increasing rapidly after the use of the tabs …

Or the tablets just failed to decrease her hunger even for a short period of time> this can be enough of a proof I believe that perhaps the tablets had no effect on Yuuki's initial hunger. The question remains why?

Perhaps Yuuki remains immune to the specific tablets?

What I noticed though in the last chapter was the fact that these two boys attacked her viciously the moment that she took the tablets> thus this creates the question what will happen for example in town if Yuuki decides to withdraw the tablets?

Is it logical to assume that these tablets are too addictive for all others that have already taken them or got used to them so its possible for all vampires to act in this way and chaos to be spread in town with Yuuki's intentional consent?

The situation as it is presented from Hino is very tricky. The users of Sara’s tabs can be dangerous to humans as we saw when the NC students chased after Yori and Kageyama while they were on tabs. On the other hand when Yuuki took the tablets they became even more aggressive and bit her.
So really seems like a dead-end here. And even if she can save the situation into academy what can she do for the vampires on the streets if or when they will attack massively to humans?

And even if she can save the situation into academy what can she do for the vampires on the streets if or when they will attack massively to humans?

yes exactly, we already saw them to be shared in town> Yuuki in the best case scenario can ask from the hunters or the NC (if she manages to break the tabs' symptoms) to search and confiscate the tablets...but then what will happen with the aggressiveness there? what can the solution be there? and wouldn't that be dramatic for Sara's plans, wouldn't she react?

or would she command her hypnotized fans there to gather around her?


but mainly the aggressiveness is point that is scary...unless Yuuki predicts and finds a solution for that problem there...like getting Takuma first back and then use her own blood to substitute the production at the factory...

the scenario has taken an awkward point here> what estimation can we do about Sara's next moves in relation to Zero and Yuuki and why has she chosen this time (when her tabs secret is out of the bag) to release her own secret about Kaname's plan?

1.even though it seems that she wanted to release it even earlier but then she was asking for Yuuki's trust > now that she can not have it anyway she turns to Zero> and it makes me wonder if her secret could be so that it justifies her tabs? and perhaps that's why she does not worry about the revelation that Yuuki did considering the tabs...

2. the hunters do not seem to react at all at Sara's tablets> even though that can be a part of the vampire world and the matter does not concern them directly, now that the tabs have shown their effects and provelny this is a weapons against humanity, normally we should see reactions from their court also...yet I think that Sara wants to cover her tracks there, that's why she is getting involved with Zero ( I think that Sara's intentions for Zero have not been exposed totally).

3. Lets sum up the effects of the tablets including the revelation of the latest chapter;
-we see that instantly the tablets create faithful fans for Sara - like a being in a daze - that can be attributed to the fact that the tablets contain her blood...therefore is like creating an army there but she does not have to bite them- eventually that expands her influence on the vampires, no matter the geographical distance...
- they are kind of hypnotizing to make them obedient to Sara wishes' we see how Takuma struggles with Sara's powers through the tablets in order to restore his sanity...and yet he fails..

-the two vampires that attacked Yuuki seemed to have been chasing the humans and creating trouble..so can there be bloodthirsty effects that are not also tamed through the tablets and therefore they stay on a borderline between hunger and addiction for the tablets?
-once Yuuki took the tablets away, they became aggressive>so the tablets can also arise the vampires aggressive levels due to their addictive action
-they had no consciousness over who they were biting and had forgotten the reasons that they entered the NC
-once they restored their sanity they even apologized...

But the main problem still focuses at the streets where Yuuki has not access yet, as in a way she has to deal with the NC first.

but in order to win her role as a Queen, Sara must eliminate Yuuki > since only Sara can control the vampires that she has made then perhaps her plan is there to substitute Yuuki as the head of the vampires, who of course will reject Yuuki as their representative? in this way she is not risking her position because Yuuki's safety is not jeopardized but she is ruled out of the game in a less bloody way that permits to Sara to carry on with her plan.

I agree that Sara must have a plan to get rid of all other competing purebloods who are as powerful as her or more (the Kurans, Isaya...any major peanut butters still left alive....)....guess her plan is to use Zero, Takuma, that Hanadagi servant girl....etc.

Yuuki is about to try to make some Yuuki blood tablets (chapter 78)....so Sara's control is about to disappear...

Sara seems to be unfazed that Yuuki's blood is an anitdote: I guess her next plan must be interesting. I still don't see how the servant fits in her plans...allowing Yuuki to still think well of Kaname? Seems kind of a small reason...and Sara did order Takuma to reclaim that "puppet" in chap 78.

Hopefully this is not too off-topic:

Asato wanted Takuma to meet Sara earlier on:

http://www.mangareader.net/104-2156-11/vampire-knight/chapter-30.html

Asato looks like he wanted to use Sara to get rid of the PB's before using Rido..
So maybe Sara's pre-Zero plans = Asato Ichijou's plans. I guess Asato and Sara both had the same goals of getting rid of purebloods.....I guess Asato didn't want to use Rido's blood for the purpose because that would give too much power to Rido.

I wonder why Asato felt he could control Sara. I mean, Takuma is hot...but that's hardly a way to control a person such as Sara...

Shiki fits in here somehow? Shiki's ability to control blood like his dad?...Takuma's abnormal half-resistance to Sara's control? Shiki seems to be thinking his actions out, at least IMO...so Shiki looks like he is trying to save Takuma...and Takuma has shown he is more loyal to Shiki than Kaname...so the Takuma plot looks more interesting recently...

I think that now that the chapters have moved on we can see even more similarities between the two plans Asato's and Sara's. We had an interesting discussion with Nina before going in that possibility where Sara's plan is actually an expansion of Asato's initial plan

for whoever wants to read it the posts are here;

https://vampireknight.all-up.com/t429p130-kaname-s-kuran-plan-of-action-is-heading-where

Now some quick notes from the manga in case you are bored reading all of these posts above to refresh our memories...

Haruka to Kaname; "I know you are hiding Yuki's existence from the other vampires...
Haruka: Nowadays the senate is trying to control our existence as long as the power of our blood...

Asato reveals his plan to Takuma;
When I was young, from the very first day i saw their awesome powers...one idea gradually grew in my mind..to manipulate purebloods into devouring one another to their ultimate destruction, the being Rido-same awakened is no exception. The power of that blood, which can control us all at will purebloods are the natural enemies of the vampire society...

Sara intends to utilize the pureblood instead of the Senate;

(chapter 76)

Sara: The blood we were born with... such rare powers of life... Don’t you feel if it was not fully utilized, then it would be no different being dried up... [i.e. if we don’t use it, it’ll just go to waste]
It’s not about who utilizes it but rather me letting my powers be utilized. Can’t that be so?

Sara reveals her plan to Takuma;

What I want…is pathetic but excellent servants who cannot escape my clutch even if they fight…lovely little birds who keep singing around me vampires all over the world who serve me, puppets who don’t bore me, and…a convenient weapon that can kill purebloods.

So I think that the similarities there are obvious; the initial ideas were Asato's, he started the pharmaceutical company where the first tablets were produced, he wanted to make use of the pureblood (as Haruka had stated) and now Sara's plans tell us and how he had wanted to use it...

in expansion it seems that all players collaborated with each other until certain obstacles would be out of the way; and then it seems that the one was betting to exterminate the other....

it also answers the manga's question...at the party where Sara makes her first move; (it fits perfectly)

“It (this game) engulfs everything….so violently..so when ‘it” first begin?”

I think now it becomes more apparent that this game had started a long...long time ago (perhaps longer than Asato's ages as threats of such kind seem to be eternal in VK).


Also there are some lines during the first arc that could serve as an indication for the second arc as well and they concern the hunters;

ex-president's words to the hunters;
“I struggled to have them allow you to go on living …” so apparently the hunter one way or another were are to be exterminated.

So in Asato's plan there was the idea that hunters should be exterminated (because apparently they could stop his expansion plans) but it seems that they collaborated without knowing (due to the presidents exchange) with the council and they skipped it - but this for me arises the question if that's also intended in Sara's plan here and in what way?

caela wrote:I agree that Sara must have a plan to get rid of all other competing purebloods who are as powerful as her or more (the Kurans, Isaya...any major peanut butters still left alive....)....guess her plan is to use Zero, Takuma, that Hanadagi servant girl....etc.

Yuuki is about to try to make some Yuuki blood tablets (chapter 78)....so Sara's control is about to disappear...

Sara seems to be unfazed that Yuuki's blood is an anitdote: I guess her next plan must be interesting. I still don't see how the servant fits in her plans...allowing Yuuki to still think well of Kaname? Seems kind of a small reason...and Sara did order Takuma to reclaim that "puppet" in chap 78.

Hopefully this is not too off-topic:

Asato wanted Takuma to meet Sara earlier on:

http://www.mangareader.net/104-2156-11/vampire-knight/chapter-30.html

Asato looks like he wanted to use Sara to get rid of the PB's before using Rido..
So maybe Sara's pre-Zero plans = Asato Ichijou's plans. I guess Asato and Sara both had the same goals of getting rid of purebloods.....I guess Asato didn't want to use Rido's blood for the purpose because that would give too much power to Rido.

I wonder why Asato felt he could control Sara. I mean, Takuma is hot...but that's hardly a way to control a person such as Sara...

Shiki fits in here somehow? Shiki's ability to control blood like his dad?...Takuma's abnormal half-resistance to Sara's control? Shiki seems to be thinking his actions out, at least IMO...so Shiki looks like he is trying to save Takuma...and Takuma has shown he is more loyal to Shiki than Kaname...so the Takuma plot looks more interesting recently...

juliet wrote:I think that now that the chapters have moved on we can see even more similarities between the two plans Asato's and Sara's. We had an interesting discussion with Nina before going in that possibility where Sara's plan is actually an expansion of Asato's initial plan

for whoever wants to read it the posts are here;

https://vampireknight.all-up.com/t429p130-kaname-s-kuran-plan-of-action-is-heading-where

Now some quick notes from the manga in case you are bored reading all of these posts above to refresh our memories...

Haruka to Kaname; "I know you are hiding Yuki's existence from the other vampires...
Haruka: Nowadays the senate is trying to control our existence as long as the power of our blood...

Asato reveals his plan to Takuma;
When I was young, from the very first day i saw their awesome powers...one idea gradually grew in my mind..to manipulate purebloods into devouring one another to their ultimate destruction, the being Rido-same awakened is no exception. The power of that blood, which can control us all at will purebloods are the natural enemies of the vampire society...

Sara intends to utilize the pureblood instead of the Senate;

(chapter 76)

Sara: The blood we were born with... such rare powers of life... Don’t you feel if it was not fully utilized, then it would be no different being dried up... [i.e. if we don’t use it, it’ll just go to waste]
It’s not about who utilizes it but rather me letting my powers be utilized. Can’t that be so?

Sara reveals her plan to Takuma;

What I want…is pathetic but excellent servants who cannot escape my clutch even if they fight…lovely little birds who keep singing around me vampires all over the world who serve me, puppets who don’t bore me, and…a convenient weapon that can kill purebloods.

So I think that the similarities there are obvious; the initial ideas were Asato's, he started the pharmaceutical company where the first tablets were produced, he wanted to make use of the pureblood (as Haruka had stated) and now Sara's plans tell us and how he had wanted to use it...

in expansion it seems that all players collaborated with each other until certain obstacles would be out of the way; and then it seems that the one was betting to exterminate the other....

it also answers the manga's question...at the party where Sara makes her first move; (it fits perfectly)

“It (this game) engulfs everything….so violently..so when ‘it” first begin?”

I think now it becomes more apparent that this game had started a long...long time ago (perhaps longer than Asato's ages as threats of such kind seem to be eternal in VK).


Also there are some lines during the first arc that could serve as an indication for the second arc as well and they concern the hunters;

ex-president's words to the hunters;
“I struggled to have them allow you to go on living …” so apparently the hunter one way or another were are to be exterminated.

So in Asato's plan there was the idea that hunters should be exterminated (because apparently they could stop his expansion plans) but it seems that they collaborated without knowing (due to the presidents exchange) with the council and they skipped it - but this for me arises the question if that's also intended in Sara's plan here and in what way?

A thing I could speculate from all the above posts here :

There is the probability of a mastermind from Kaname's past ( a pureblood vampire ? ) who is in the shadows moving all those White pieces / players to get his / her goals . As Asato and Sara's ideas sound very similar . Could both be suggested by the same person ?



But no matter . Asato and Sara had to have some kind of understanding to reach their goals . As they appeared to be working together and /or using each other , before Asato died . So Asato probably had some idea what Sara was planning .

A thing I could speculate from all the above posts here :

There is the probability of a mastermind from Kaname's past ( a pureblood vampire ? ) who is in the shadows moving all those White pieces / players to get his / her goals . As Asato and Sara's ideas sound very similar . Could both be suggested by the same person ?

Could be…because Hino’s script is very rich, she has set the hints and if you really start theorizing her script there are points that can indicate a fear to a superior power> example Asato’s words to Takuma that I quote here again;

When I was young, from the very first day i saw their awesome powers...one idea gradually grew in my mind..to manipulate purebloods into devouring one another to their ultimate destruction, the being Rido-same awakened is no exception. The power of that blood, which can control us all at will purebloods are the natural enemies of the vampire society...

Now Asato had been the governer of the Senate, we know that he is vey old but his words above betray a fear that is actually with no basis for supreme leader with so much confidence and experience as much as Asato…
Meaning from where his fears about the purebloods stems from?

When I was young, from the very first day i saw their awesome powers...

Which powers? The one that his afraid so much is the controlling power that he even characterizes purebloods (due to that power) as the natural enemies of the vampire society…

But as we know the Kurans never used such powers, despite their authority and position at the society> Asato is not afraid of them> profoundly he even uses Rido as a puppet and has also plans to exterminate him as well once his roles finishes (he states that to Takuma)

So what is the fear about or for? Why does he consider purebloods as enemies? Which purebloods?

While you can say that this is all Asato’s stupid ideas, the seeds are there for a richer plot that can perhaps provide a better background and explanation about this undergoing war and perhaps also a better villain for the script, because as many say Sara seems to be insufficient to convince.

Plus there is the bridge with the past that Hino has created…did she only do it in order to reveal Kaname’s past? Or is she investing on it to make her script richer and provide explanations about the present time?

Examples that set the interest of the reader to the past is not only Kaname’s story but the awakening of the oldest purebloods such as Hanadagi and Isaya, there is also Kaname’s despair with the shattered mirror, there is also the present condition of the hunters that creates a gap with their first scope of creation and we can all see it, there are multiple narrations that betray a sinful past for all the VK history.

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And to return back to the tablets the interest about them will now focus at the town where Sara has spread her pills> this is an interesting point to see and the hunter's reaction because now they do not care about vampires and the NC but what if this condition spreads to town and as a result humans start to getting attacked? then hunters will have no choice but to find the responsible.

I feel that Sara is trying to build an army of slaves to serve under her, I wonder if she's just bored and wants to play around with everyone's minds. It doesn't seem like she has a love interest for Kaname, I wonder if Sara and Kaname had some past together or something. She probably knows Yuuki is trying to use her blood to save the "bloodtablet takers", Yuuki might run out of blood at this rate! We'll just have to see chapter 79 for more clues...

DarkRose wrote: I feel that Sara is trying to build an army of slaves to serve under her, I wonder if she's just bored and wants to play around with everyone's minds. It doesn't seem like she has a love interest for Kaname, I wonder if Sara and Kaname had some past together or something. She probably knows Yuuki is trying to use her blood to save the "bloodtablet takers", Yuuki might run out of blood at this rate! We'll just have to see chapter 79 for more clues...

I'm beggining to think that's the reason Kaname went to Cross Gakuen(to stop Sara before Yuuki runs out of blood and sacrifice herself to save everyone from Sara)
he said to Yuuki he doesn't want to see his love dead because she had to sacrifice herself to save others...awww he's cute isn't he?
that's why i love Kaname even more
maybe Sara just wants to play some more with Takuma on that Academy?

rumland wrote:In 73 then talking to ichiju sara says when she saved him she had him drink her blood, but apparently it was not enought so she trys to get him to drink more. Maybe one of her powers is she can have people fall in love with her or ecome devoted to her if they drink enought of her blood. If the new tablets are based on her blood I see a massive army being raised to serve her.
This will also explain why she is trying to get zero to feed on her.

I definately think ur right, because i think she wants to have more power than Kaname so she tries to raise her own army of vampires that willl obey her no matter what

Lil Lynn wrote:

rumland wrote:In 73 then talking to ichiju sara says when she saved him she had him drink her blood, but apparently it was not enought so she trys to get him to drink more. Maybe one of her powers is she can have people fall in love with her or ecome devoted to her if they drink enought of her blood. If the new tablets are based on her blood I see a massive army being raised to serve her.
This will also explain why she is trying to get zero to feed on her.

I definately think ur right, because i think she wants to have more power than Kaname so she tries to raise her own army of vampires that willl obey her no matter what

of course, Sarah is building an army of vampires, as like did the old Pure Bloods! And if Sara might have that gift, but we know that the blood of the PB tends to refer to any vampire!!!