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knightmare wrote: Kaname held the sword for about 5 seconds against rido, he was holding it in 67 a looooot longer, he came in wielding it and killed hanadagi, had a conversation with aido and then killed aido and then turned it and himself into bats and rejoined ruka and kain still holding it with a very burnt hand.
i don't get your question. kaito knows kaname wields an av sword, he just wonders how long kaname can use it unharmed. i just wonder why he thinks it will eventually harm kaname if he's already wielding it unharmed.
Evil in love wrote:nina wrote:
Yes I agree the flower that blooms ONLY for Kaname is Yuuki and it comes as a continuation of the prior panel where is Kaname’s recollection of Yuuki telling him that from now on she wants to start over with him! (chapter 66). So we have a clearer picture of how Kaname perceived Yuuki’s restart!!!! Viz how Yuuki meant the start over! (I’m so happy cuz we were right all that long yay! *really trying hard to stop fangirling* )
Now … this is the vague part of Rido’s wording … he meant literally or metaphorically that Yuuki will withered and eventually die?
I’m really divided …
- Metaphorically one interpretation could be that since Yuuki love him so much that blooms only for him with the path he has chosen (to leave her alone) one day she’ll withered >> “vampires can only quench their thirst by drinking the blood of the one they love” (chapter 49) & Yuuki’s wording when Kaito suggests that she could be the only remained PB >> “Only I to remain is also equal to living FOREVER BY MYSELF” (chapter 75).
- Literally ... brings on the surface again Kaname’s gut fear of something fatally happening to Yuuki with the path that he knows that Yuuki will follow. And here came to my mind a few Yuuki’s wordings >>
1. As rosaever pointed out previously >>
Kaname: “I can force you to come with me”
Yuuki: “If you do that I will never forgive you…”
http://www.mangareader.net/104-2167-19/vampire-knight/chapter-41.html
Yuuki: “I may be a fool but I’ve always taken the path I believed was right … If I stop doing that now I will no longer be myself.”
http://www.mangareader.net/104-2167-22/vampire-knight/chapter-41.html
So we see how determinate was Yuuki to follow her own path opposing to Kaname and she had just “awaken” …
2. After Ouri’s murder >>
Yuuki: “I need to become more aware of what is going on around me. People becoming victims, becoming sacrifices. I don’t want that happening.” (chapter 56).
3. After Kaname gave to her artemis >>
Yuuki: “He left this with me (artemis) … probably cuz he wanted to see what I’d do. SOMETHING ONLY I CAN DO.”
“I don’t want PBs creating victims … someone making a victim of someone else I don’t want that. Seeing others lost in misery … I don’t want that. So I will bear the responsibility of ending your life.” (chapter 57)
“I thought about what I … one small existence could do. I thought and I thought…”
“I know I may be making the worst choice possible …
… But I mean to save others from being killed for no good reason! I want to change something, so I have to be the one to act.”
“IF I DON’T DO SOMETHING THIS WORLD WILL CONSUME ME” (chapter 58)
4. Touma >>
“Now listen! The stage is finally getting set for a bloody scene that is much more to my liking. So you get it now? DON’T HAMPER MY ENJOYMENT OF WATCHING THE DRAMA UNFOLD. You are nothing yet but a powerless b!tch so stop butting in!”
So here Touma recognizes on Yuuki’s existence a hindrance for the bloody scene that already has started to unfold. Why? Is Yuuki capable to stop the bloodshed?
In my opinion Touma’s attack verify Kaname’s fears that Yuuki’s path (as she describes it with her thoughts and actions above) will drive her to sacrifice herself in the process >> “I’m frightened that one day you’ll give up your life for something meaningless Yuuki.”
Kaname feels “powerless” >> “It’s frustrating isn’t it? Feeling powerless …” >> thus his contradictions >> to break her wings or to set her free to follow her deadly path???
For me his choice to let her free coincide with him taking action (original plan) in order her path not to lead to her death literally.
But now in the last chapter Yuuki faces a new challenge >> Sara’s tablets >>
Yuuki: “The PBs are trying to bother others against their wills … I’ll never forgive nor allow them to continue to do so … I will stop you…”
Thus Kaname faces again his worst nightmare and Rido is there to remind him that >> “Can you face it like this?” … and squeezing Yuuki to death >> “I know so don’t ask me those questions again and again…”
And according to my opinion Rido symbolizes the true vampire self that eventually all vampires have- and as we know it is full of raw instincts and with this "self" Rido is taunting Kaname back in chapter 59, where Rido says to Kaname "Why are you hesitating? Have you forgotten your true self?".
My interpretation is that back in chapter 59 Rido appeared cuz Kaname was about to make the next step … he had give Yuuki the artemis (hence freedom) and he was torturing about revealing his true identity i.e. that he wasn’t her oniisama but her ancestor >>
Rido: “How long are you going to continue being the kind big brother? Why are you hesitating? Have you forgotten your true self?”
My feeling is that Kaname was afraid that by revealing his true self (ancestor) and all that happened the night of his awakening Yuuki would “reject” him >>
Kaname: “Can you see it? My horrendous memory?”
Yuuki: “This man named Kaname is the Kaname I’ve always known … It will be all right. DON’T HOLD BACK … YOU CAN TELL ME EVERYTHING.”
Rido seems like triggering every time his inner fears and darkness …
So what I’m trying to say is that maybe now he is again in a crossroad and Rido surface again asking the same question over and over >>
Seiren: “You still have lots of things to do …”
Nina, I love your post, what else can I add more?... ...
I also love the metaphor that Hino described about Yuuki in Kaname's dream.It just reminded us that Kaname's fear isn't gone. This fear makes him start his plan, he is doing now. I think that he can see some premonition. And that's an answer why he's started doing it and we will get other answers next chapter, hope so. I haven't read Soulsnpirates's version even they seem to translate better than Dragonfly.
Yes Sara knows that Kaname is an ancestor from Takuma, but for the rest of Kaname’s past (for example how his wife died or who was the female progenitor of Kuran’s clan etc) I think aren’t in the history books … I can’t believe that Yuuki didn’t study about her family’s past and their genealogy … at least this is my impression from the info we have thus far > this part of the Kuran’s past is “sealed” …
So if Sara knows more about Kaname’s past that shouldn’t be from books but from another source >> could be from Hanadagi’s servant thus and kept her alive to convince Yuuki?
This sentence of Rido's probably has multiple meanings at the same time...the love idea is possible (I just can't agree to it on principle because I'm a Zeki
Whatever Kaname knows about Yuuki's dark future, he is trying to stop with his seemingly random killings of purebloods. Also with the execution of Aido-dono...Rido's repeated asking over and over means that Kaname is as of yet unsure if his own plans for Yuuki will work....or Kaname needs to really become an evil villain to accomplish the rest of his objectives, and is unsure that he is capable of being that person. Deep down, Kaname is a tender-hearted guy, but some actions, once done, change you forever.
"The only way to stop more servants from being created is to destroy the source, Then we'll do something about the servants who have lost their masters. I don't relish destroying our kind after I searched them out...I am sorry asking you to do such an unpleasant job, forgive me Kaname.
A little earlier she had said; " I'm worried these are those who are creating "servants" indiscriminately. There's no need for so many of them....and the servants need blood to sustain themselves. I have a bad feeling about this. THEY SAY IT"S WHAT BOTH SIDES WANT...BUT.."
Two important facts here;
1. HW Plan included to exterminate or eliminate purebloods that changed people despite that seemed to appear what both sides wanted...
2. BUT she had no intention to exterminate ALL purebloods, as she said she had gone into great trouble finding them.
juliet wrote:Yes Sara knows that Kaname is an ancestor from Takuma, but for the rest of Kaname’s past (for example how his wife died or who was the female progenitor of Kuran’s clan etc) I think aren’t in the history books … I can’t believe that Yuuki didn’t study about her family’s past and their genealogy … at least this is my impression from the info we have thus far > this part of the Kuran’s past is “sealed” …
So if Sara knows more about Kaname’s past that shouldn’t be from books but from another source >> could be from Hanadagi’s servant thus and kept her alive to convince Yuuki?
Highly possible, the guardian is the only witness that remains for Sara to keep her there, there must be a good reason. I will fully agree it's a very high possibility there that what Sara has to reveal (among others) can be from her Hanadagi's database...
The flower that only blooms for Kaname but will wither and die...
This sentence of Rido's probably has multiple meanings at the same time...the love idea is possible (I just can't agree to it on principle because I'm a Zeki
Ah Zeki, zeki, but we did get "the flower that only blooms for you" so...come on gives the credit there...LOL
Whatever Kaname knows about Yuuki's dark future, he is trying to stop with his seemingly random killings of purebloods. Also with the execution of Aido-dono...Rido's repeated asking over and over means that Kaname is as of yet unsure if his own plans for Yuuki will work....or Kaname needs to really become an evil villain to accomplish the rest of his objectives, and is unsure that he is capable of being that person. Deep down, Kaname is a tender-hearted guy, but some actions, once done, change you forever.
Its also very possible that Kaname's OP connects back with the ancestor and her words to him; read this if you have not its from the official volume and I had posted it also in "Kaname's plan is heading where thread?"
"The only way to stop more servants from being created is to destroy the source, Then we'll do something about the servants who have lost their masters. I don't relish destroying our kind after I searched them out...I am sorry asking you to do such an unpleasant job, forgive me Kaname.
A little earlier she had said; " I'm worried these are those who are creating "servants" indiscriminately. There's no need for so many of them....and the servants need blood to sustain themselves. I have a bad feeling about this. THEY SAY IT"S WHAT BOTH SIDES WANT...BUT.."
Two important facts here;
1. HW Plan included to exterminate or eliminate purebloods that changed people despite that seemed to appear what both sides wanted...
2. BUT she had no intention to exterminate ALL purebloods, as she said she had gone into great trouble finding them.
So we know that Kaname in reality did not (in the past) eliminate all the purebloods that were changing people either with people's consent or no...
For the ages that Kaname lived these kind of purebloods did not appear again and rested without challenging his views on the subject;
Since Kaname says that he hesitated executing his OP, then something must have made him change his view on the matter or made him postpone this decision....
It seems that now though he is blocked due to Yuuki's nature that wants to serve the good against the true wishes of the purebloods (as Touma is an indicator of that sort, Rido was another, Sara is the real embodiment of these ancient threats, Hio's gave Shizuka away) and he is afraid of a very close repetition of his past> whatever that might be that forced him to go in despair...
the "sacrifice" pattern as you suggest is continuously repeated making us asking what causes such a certainty?
just points that I wanted to join in the discussion. And also some guesses here for the sake of the conversation;
Kaname is a hard on himself; and he is afraid breaking the "gentle vampire" image that Yuuki had for him> he says so when killing the council "I am sorry Yuuki"...
So yes I also believe that his actions can make him worry and feel that he will lose Yuuki's love forever with the path that he has taken;
that eventually would lead him in not wanting to live anymore and he knows that in such a case, he is the one bringing or causing this to himself; so Kaname's path unfolds to be lonely and bitter and seems to be guided by a great necessity that currently Hino suggests but does not expose.
But is Hino going to let [Kaname] fall or going to present him as un unforgivable? and that much unworthy due to crimes...currently there seems that many points are made against him from all directions but if that was the case, I wonder if Yuuki would be brought up with the initial dilemma from Aido-dono if she could stop/prevent Kaname.
What I think that Yuuki will prevent Kaname from is himself and the doom he is ready to bring to his own path; because as with Zero's case in the first arc, there has to be an alternative.
juliet wrote:Thank you Shizza!
what can i say after all the slapping theory is official... and i love it!! it shows how much she cares...and also that she is not willing to let him go. Can that be now the reason that Zero pulls her closer? Perhaps he did not expected to show such an "interesting" answer? Yuuki has no intention to let go!!
shizza24 wrote:Ok so Mousou Scans have just published their version of the VK 76 scanlation and some of the dialogues are translated differently.
Yuuki is not referring to Zero but Kaname when she makes her comment. Like Kaname would want her to think that way. I think it makes much more sense that way.
I had a friend confirm this "slap" line from her japanese teacher and he reconfirmed it so I think the translation is more reliable. I have heard that the chinese scanlators mistook the idiom she is using here and hence the difference in the two translations. Well that's what I heard at least.
shizza24 wrote:Ok so Mousou Scans have just published their version of the VK 76 scanlation and some of the dialogues are translated differently.
Yuuki is not referring to Zero but Kaname when she makes her comment. Like Kaname would want her to think that way. I think it makes much more sense that way.
I had a friend confirm this "slap" line from her japanese teacher and he reconfirmed it so I think the translation is more reliable. I have heard that the chinese scanlators mistook the idiom she is using here and hence the difference in the two translations. Well that's what I heard at least.
Re: Yuuki killing kaname
by mariangie on Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:35 pm
After all this slapping . A V. K. prediction based in the past posts " evidence ".
"I see a slapping from Yuuki to Kaname in my mirror ball ."
Yuuki found Kaname . Slap him hard . Called him "Baka " / stupid Kaname . Throw into his arms . Kiss him hard .
Kaname gets being slap by Yuuki as main course .
Slapping is an indicative of extreme emotions . Yuuki would not slap anybody she doesn't have a strong emotion with . She would slap someone she hates a lot or / and cares / loves a lot . But both emotions are not mutually exclusive . Yuuki hates what Kaname is doing . She hates Kaname had leave her without a good reason for doing so . But at the same time , she loves him so much . To care for him . To believe in him after knowing all the things of the past few months . Desiring to look for him . To get the answers she needs .
uses an idiom here so she doesn't literally means she'll slap him lol it's kinda figurative as in she'll stop him or something along those lines.
nina wrote:
PS. Sorry for my fangirling but I couldn’t help it
Yuuki Kuran wrote:Hmm, I actually have a question about this chapter.
When Sara said "What would you do if you knew everything", what was she referring to? Is it suppose to be she overheard the conversation Kaname had before killing Hanabusa's father and is going to revel some of his plan or that she know's something that ties with the past? Or is it just anyone's guess?
I wasn't sure if I missed/forgot something that make's what exactly she's talking about obvious or I didn't and we won't know what she even means in the slightest until next chapter lol.
nina wrote:Yuuki Kuran wrote:Hmm, I actually have a question about this chapter.
When Sara said "What would you do if you knew everything", what was she referring to? Is it suppose to be she overheard the conversation Kaname had before killing Hanabusa's father and is going to revel some of his plan or that she know's something that ties with the past? Or is it just anyone's guess?
I wasn't sure if I missed/forgot something that make's what exactly she's talking about obvious or I didn't and we won't know what she even means in the slightest until next chapter lol.
Only guesses we can make I suppose …
1. Sara might reveal that Kaname is an ancestor and not Yuuki’s brother < she knows that from Takuma. It won’t be a surprise for Yuuki.
2. She might as you said that she actually heard the talk that Kaname had with Aido-dono and disclose it …
3. She might also have info concerning Kaname’s past … a part that he hasn’t unveiled yet not to us and not to Yuuki …
And who knows what else …
Yuuki Kuran wrote:I certainly hope it isn't the first one.
That wouldn't have us readers gain any knowledge at all for the plot. It would pretty much be a wasted chapter for us, most likely. I imagine people would get frustrated if that happened too lol.
I'm hoping it's she overheard the conversation and reveals Kaname's plan. I wouldn't suspect her to know the full plan because it is too soon for us to know that much, but it would be nice to have a small portion delivered to us rather than a bunch of brain teasing hints, finally.
I could see her doing something like that to try and gain Yuuki's trust too. :/
I hope Yuuki doesn't believe it if it happens and perhaps we even get one panel of Kaname to clarify part of which is true if Sara does that.
She may also reveal the real thing, though.
If Yuuki becomes distracted by the truth it could give Sara an opening to pull something (probably more minor) with Yuuki too distracted to notice.
rosaever wrote:Yuuki Kuran wrote:I certainly hope it isn't the first one.
That wouldn't have us readers gain any knowledge at all for the plot. It would pretty much be a wasted chapter for us, most likely. I imagine people would get frustrated if that happened too lol.
I'm hoping it's she overheard the conversation and reveals Kaname's plan. I wouldn't suspect her to know the full plan because it is too soon for us to know that much, but it would be nice to have a small portion delivered to us rather than a bunch of brain teasing hints, finally.
I could see her doing something like that to try and gain Yuuki's trust too. :/
I hope Yuuki doesn't believe it if it happens and perhaps we even get one panel of Kaname to clarify part of which is true if Sara does that.
She may also reveal the real thing, though.
If Yuuki becomes distracted by the truth it could give Sara an opening to pull something (probably more minor) with Yuuki too distracted to notice.
I think the same.But I really hope that the next part of their conversation will be really important. When I read this last question: What will you do if you finally know everything?- I have a feeling that it shows us the readers,that some important moment is coming( this word: finally), but still there is part of me which thinks that now there are great expectations and it could turn into nothing.
Have you seen that on Mangareader they add new scans ( page 33-37 ) with translated teaser and also new text:
the association's attitude about the mysterious new blood tablets on the market. In the midst of those uneasy activity, Yuuki will?
http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/76/33
http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/76/34
there is also cute image of Yuuki and Kaname with kaname saying: Yuuki,don't stick that on my face, I suppose Yuuki is having fun with coloured tape
http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/76/35
mariangie wrote:If anybody heard the conversation between Kaname and Aido - dono . It has to be Hanadagi's guardian / bodyguard . So if Yuuki will heard anything about this probably would be from her . The other possibility is Sara interrogated that guardian and got the info herself ( I see this as less probable . The girl looks like the kind loyal to her boss only . )
i don't see how Sara would have any trouble getting info from the girl. takuma told Sara all about kaname and a little of sara's blood would force her to spill the beans.
but she looks more like a captive for whatever reasons.
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