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sara doesn't seem to me like a real villain at all,she is pretty smart but stupid at the same time,she is attacking kaname kuran when there are two lovers of him(yuuki and hw)are there.
Kaname has to give explanations about Aido-Dono and the murder of Zero´s parents. Three chapters are more than sufficient to clarify these facts.
juliet wrote:sara doesn't seem to me like a real villain at all,she is pretty smart but stupid at the same time,she is attacking kaname kuran when there are two lovers of him(yuuki and hw)are there.
haha, epic comment...epic....
Kaname has to give explanations about Aido-Dono and the murder of Zero´s parents. Three chapters are more than sufficient to clarify these facts.
yes an easy explanation...m...let me try...
Aido dono is not dead but they were faking it, so that Aido-dono would not turn into Sara's next target like Hanadagi's guardian...
and Zero's parents...well the proof can be that Shizuka's lover at that time when Kaname freed her was alive so the actually meaningful thought could be that Kaname intended for the two lovers to get away and thus stop the abusement of her blood/powers from the council...
now about Hana have no idea...
still the script does not actually support adequate answers as to why Kaname followed this certain route and did not take Sara for example at the beginning of her plan?
perhaps he could wait for her to reveal her face to the others...but then again what about Hio or Hana?
Perhaps Sara was another step here to his way and he was other things to accomplish...
also the key was mentioned we have not seen it into action...
i would like the liberation of HW'spirit to mean something more...Hino can really do epic stuff here and i hope that she won't leave to such > example awake the hunters...and make them more conscious of the responsibilty that took upon accepting her blood as a race
In my mind I think that there are many issues still unresolved at least the script has a base which is actually the problem of purebloods that want control over others, the humans that do not know about the vampires so the co-existence is not trully supported yet, has no truthful sense and also about Kaname's action that to me it still seems unclear, perhaps Yuuki can help him cool down and back off, if that's the case?
by the way> why Zero's gun shoots normal vampires and gets the vines out with Kaname? the vines do not seem to hurt Kaname so the gun makes a choice not to shoot normally?
childish question but it does not react the same to everybody...
and we got Takuma back!! with all these couple madness, i forgot to celebrate about that!
ButterflyWingsx wrote:Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:I agree, the chapter wasn't about "couples" at all... People it's not all the story revolves around. o.O For me, I saw an epic all-out vampire fight... x3 ( a symbol the story is drawing to a close maybe, since Part 1 of VK ended with Cross Academy falling apart, and now the Hunter Assoc. is falling apart.) the only "couple" moment was Shiki&Rima. And it was very adorable might i say <3SassyKnight wrote:Yuki protecting Kaname is just her sake of protecting Kaname...I don't really think she's doing it out of romantic feelings, it's just a natural response from Yuki; To protect. She acted the same with Zero, Sara etc. We really need some insight on what is going on in Yuki's mind...I don't want confusing poems and sunshine, I WANT ANSWERS!
I think this chapter wasn't Yume or Zeki...Hino is prolonging the love triangle, as usual...
I hope next chapter that the love triangle between the trio develops.
You guys are contradicting yourselves if the Shiki&Rima moment was a "couple" moment then why was the Yume moment not a "couple" moment? I'm confused here o.O All Rima did was hug Shiki similar to Yuuki drawing closer to Kaname and holding onto him.
Well, I think Zekis say things like this chapter wasn't Zeki or Yume because things did not turn out to their likings. Or things like Zero and Yuuki fighting together so romantic...Yume has no development and cannot match my awesome Zeki pairing just to grasp at straws or to not face the disappointment. The Shiki&Rima moment and Yume moments are quite similar IMO. Rima draws closer to Shiki as Yuuki did the same when she draw closer to Kaname with one hand holding him close to protect him with Artemis...she didn't have to hold him she could just protect him without any contact but the point is she's in his arms there's no denying it. I don't care how Zekis choose to interpret it because if Yuuki was in Zero's arm it would suddenly be romatic even tho Zero and Yuuki still have the friend/ally thing going for them no romantic development yet and it's sad Kaname has to die for Yuuki to want to choose Zero. Why can't she choose Zero without Kaname having to die? Kaname's actually pushing her towards Zero with him acting like the bad guy and all but still...
You both could see Shima moment but not the Yume moments? Bias much? Or maybe it's ignorance on most Zekis part. Sorry not trying to offend anyone just saying. Hino gave so many hints throughout the chapter that neither Kaname or Yuuki are really trying to hurt each other. And for what reason may I ask if it's not because they both still love each? So, how is it that we Yumes are supposed to view these scenes if not in a romantic way?
Even if you are hardcore Zeki...the Yume moments can't be deny because it's not speculations we Yumes are not seeing or imagining things it was said by Hino through the characters. Especially in the panel before we see the fight there's a flashback of Kaname and Yuuki at the party with a vampire saying how they gave a vibe no one could separate them.
I know after Ch83 many Zekis jumped to conclusions that Yuuki was suddenly going to kill Kaname and be with Zero or watever, but these are speculations so if people are disappointed it's not Hino's fault for many fans jumping to their own conclusions.
Does that mean Kaname and Yuuki are going to make out in the middle of the battle...probably not. *snorts* I'd rather not jump to conclusions and read the manga and see what happens next but discussions can be fun
They didn't even drop their weapons when Takuma asked them to... does that not tell you anything? If they didn't intend to finish fighting, they could've listened to him.
Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:Whoa whoa, calm down, I'm not allowed to be neutral now? I simply enjoyed this chapter for what is was for once because a lot happened and I wasn't even considering Zeki vs Yume. >.< You wanted a pairing war reaction? I'm sorry, what am I supposed to say " Dear god there was a "yume moment"!! What will I ever do???" I do not deny that if I were a yume, yes I would think the Yuuki & Kaname hugging moment was cute... But of course she would protect Kaname, like you said, she loves him, this I did not deny. Yes, she has been wanting to stop him... but in the heat of the moment, him being closest and Sara coming at him to kill him, heck ya I would protect him too if I were Yuuki. o.O I loved this chapter for all the long-awaited action...sorry for disappointing you? :/ I know you guys find it kinky or whatever but I personally did not find the fighting scene between Yuuki & Kaname sexy or anything like that... maybe it's just because I'm a zeki, but I didn't see any romance there. I did see Yuuki flinch at her head hitting the ground... a sword at her neck, and her wrist being gripped tightly.. to me, looks like a painful situation. >.> They didn't even drop their weapons when Takuma asked them to... does that not tell you anything? If they didn't intend to finish fighting, they could've listened to him. All I said was the chapter wasn't about couples... and it wasn't!Yes, the Shiki&Rima "moment" was cute, they haven't had many cute moments so I savor it...>.> I guess you could call Yuuki jumping to protect Kaname a "yume moment"... but no I don't think the chapter revolved around them. Try to look at the bigger picture for once and look past your yume obsession... I enjoy vampire knight, not just 2 characters out of it.
ButterflyWingsx wrote:I don't care how Zekis choose to interpret it because if Yuuki was in Zero's arm it would suddenly be romantic even tho Zero and Yuuki still have the friend/ally thing going for them no romantic development yet
ButterflyWingsx wrote:Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:Whoa whoa, calm down, I'm not allowed to be neutral now? I simply enjoyed this chapter for what is was for once because a lot happened and I wasn't even considering Zeki vs Yume. >.< You wanted a pairing war reaction? I'm sorry, what am I supposed to say " Dear god there was a "yume moment"!! What will I ever do???" I do not deny that if I were a yume, yes I would think the Yuuki & Kaname hugging moment was cute... But of course she would protect Kaname, like you said, she loves him, this I did not deny. Yes, she has been wanting to stop him... but in the heat of the moment, him being closest and Sara coming at him to kill him, heck ya I would protect him too if I were Yuuki. o.O I loved this chapter for all the long-awaited action...sorry for disappointing you? :/ I know you guys find it kinky or whatever but I personally did not find the fighting scene between Yuuki & Kaname sexy or anything like that... maybe it's just because I'm a zeki, but I didn't see any romance there. I did see Yuuki flinch at her head hitting the ground... a sword at her neck, and her wrist being gripped tightly.. to me, looks like a painful situation. >.> They didn't even drop their weapons when Takuma asked them to... does that not tell you anything? If they didn't intend to finish fighting, they could've listened to him. All I said was the chapter wasn't about couples... and it wasn't!Yes, the Shiki&Rima "moment" was cute, they haven't had many cute moments so I savor it...>.> I guess you could call Yuuki jumping to protect Kaname a "yume moment"... but no I don't think the chapter revolved around them. Try to look at the bigger picture for once and look past your yume obsession... I enjoy vampire knight, not just 2 characters out of it.
Lol, I'm calm. There's no need to bring God's name into this. I'm just amazed at some fans and their reaction towards each chapter. My Yume obsession you say? Hmmm...so now Yumes are obsessed for enjoying Yume moments and I suppose Zekis are the sane ones. Well, alright then. I'm Yume obsessed can't help it they are one hell of a sexy couple. XD
On a serious note thought, I don't think I ever said Zekis had to find the Yume moments romantic. What ever gave you that idea? Eh? Disappoint me, more like I find it amusing how Zekis think everytime Yuuki gets mad at Kaname she'll run and declare her undying love to Zero.
Let's be honest, Zekis find it romantic how one moment Zero is pointing his gun at Yuuki and the next he's kissing her because Zero's character is tsundere, right? So, what's wrong with Yumes thinking it's kinky when Kaname is pinning Yuuki to the ground in battle? We already know that they are not seriously fighting each other as they both said so..and that was my point here.
I do find some Zeki moments cute, btw. Like Zero hitting Yuuki on the head and carrying her bridal style...so don't go assuming I'm Yume obsessed if I make a comment or two about the Zeki fandom. I do think some Yume fans are the same way. I was speaking in general, and I still find it funny how Yuuki gets bash for not acting the way the fans want her too.
As far as being neutral, I doubt anyone can really be neutral. Even I, a fan of both Kaname and Zero and also, I used to ship Zeki can't be neutral coz in reality I'll always favor Kaname/Yume more. So yes, there's bias there. I don't believe people who claim to be neutral unless they ship no one and just enjoy the overall story.
ETA: I'll go ahead and quote myself for those Zekis thinking I want them to find Yume scenes romantic.ButterflyWingsx wrote:I don't care how Zekis choose to interpret it because if Yuuki was in Zero's arm it would suddenly be romantic even tho Zero and Yuuki still have the friend/ally thing going for them no romantic development yet
See the bolded part there...yeah. I don't care, just saying. *shrugs*
Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:If you really didn't care then you wouldn't have made the original post to begin with. :/ Sorry if I offended by saying that ShikixRima was the only couple moment if that's what brought this on... but it's just my opinion. I really didn't see the yume hug as romantic, but more as a tense situation since Kaname was about to be killed, and If I were a yume I wouldn't be going "Aww they're so adorable!This chapter was so yume! x3" I'd be thinking " Noo Kaname don't die! Yay Yuuki protected him!" I actually was worried that Yuuki would get hurt in Kaname's place. o.O I'm sorry, but I still have to agree with SassyKnight. Yuuki protecting Kaname was of course a natural reaction, but that doesn't mean there wasn't love behind it... Yuuki does still love Kaname, so even if they were just in battle, if he's about to be killed by the enemy of course she'd protect him. I don't think Yuuki planned on killing him but like she said just to stop him. And yea, i'm not neutral, but I really did see THIS chapter as a neutral one pairing-wise...because it was pretty much focused on the action the whole chapter and the pairings aren't what VK is all about. :/ If you want to label it as a yume chapter be my guest, it's your opinion, but I label it as the epic all-out vampire fight chapter! I know it's probably weird for to enjoy action in a shoujo manga but I do. ^^; VK needs more action and less sexual tension if you ask me...>.>
Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:I agree, the chapter wasn't about "couples" at all... People it's not all the story revolves around. o.O For me, I saw an epic all-out vampire fight... x3 ( a symbol the story is drawing to a close maybe, since Part 1 of VK ended with Cross Academy falling apart, and now the Hunter Assoc. is falling apart.) the only "couple" moment was Shiki&Rima. And it was very adorable might i say <3
kanamekuranlover wrote:kaname wants to kill himself so maybe he will do or say something unforgivable but maybe hw spirit stops him or do something which changes the game.Li.llium wrote:
Who knows what will happen? Who knows, HW materializes and then we see the hand of Rido standing over a coffin ...
kanamekuranlover wrote: maybe this time something really cool happens,i wanna see hw spirit for once,she deserves to make a cameo
Kara wrote:kanamekuranlover wrote:kaname wants to kill himself so maybe he will do or say something unforgivable but maybe hw spirit stops him or do something which changes the game.Li.llium wrote:
Who knows what will happen? Who knows, HW materializes and then we see the hand of Rido standing over a coffin ...
...Perhaps Kaname intends to eventually repeat the ritual that Rido performed on him? Does anyone think that maybe Kaname plans on sacrificing a pureblood to summon the Hooded Woman? Perhaps then Yuuki might get an explanation from the ancestor woman herself!
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If that were the case, what do you think the HW and Yuuki would say to each other? Would Yuuki feel jealous / threatened by the Hooded Woman's appearance and become all possessive of her Kaname...?
In this last chapter, the HW's furnace pierced Sara's body but she has not yet disintegrated into dust and ashes. Could the Hooded Woman be reincarnated in the place of Sara, like Kaname was in Yuuki's infant brother?kanamekuranlover wrote: maybe this time something really cool happens,i wanna see hw spirit for once,she deserves to make a cameo
Whether it be in body or just in spirit / memory, I definitely think that we'll be seeing more of the HW before Vampire Knight reaches its conclusion. Maybe it'll be enough if Kaname finally gives Yuuki the full story of what happened all those centuries ago, and how that links to Kaname's motivation now.
Although she's never had an 'active' role to play in the present story before Chapter 84, so much of the story's plot seems to revolve around the HW's life and her resolve to sacrifice herself to bring aid to humans. There are so many questions left unanswered about who she really was, what she meant to Kaname and what her will truly was for VK to end without clarification And now with the furnace awakening to intervene in this battle, the questions just keep piling up in my mind...
kanamekuranlover wrote:Kara wrote:
...Perhaps Kaname intends to eventually repeat the ritual that Rido performed on him? Does anyone think that maybe Kaname plans on sacrificing a pureblood to summon the Hooded Woman? Perhaps then Yuuki might get an explanation from the ancestor woman herself!
kaname is not in yuuki's brother's body,his brother's body was torn apart by rido. kaname turned himself to a baby,sara got pierced by mother metal,there are high hopes of her death.
Kara wrote:kanamekuranlover wrote:Kara wrote:
...Perhaps Kaname intends to eventually repeat the ritual that Rido performed on him? Does anyone think that maybe Kaname plans on sacrificing a pureblood to summon the Hooded Woman? Perhaps then Yuuki might get an explanation from the ancestor woman herself!
kaname is not in yuuki's brother's body,his brother's body was torn apart by rido. kaname turned himself to a baby,sara got pierced by mother metal,there are high hopes of her death.
This is true
Kaname isn't in Yuuki's brother's body; I was under the impression that the baby boy was a sacrifice of some sort Or was the baby Kuran killed just so Kaname could adopt his identity and replace him as Yuuki's 'brother'?
(Feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken here. I think I need to go back and revise some chapters of VK; I'm just going off what I can remember, and it's been a long time since I read that chapter! )
My speculation was that maybe the HW didn't die..? We know that she threw her own heart into the fire, but is that enough to kill a pureblood vampire?
Again, it's been a while since I've read some of the earlier chapters, but I believe that a PB would need a fatal blow to the heart / head with an anti-vampire weapon to truly die?
Perhaps her spirit was in eternal slumber within the furnace? The 'essence' of her has been described as being strong by both Yuuki and Kaname when they came within proximity of the HA.
If this were the case, could she be awakened from her slumber in the same way that Kaname was? Is it possible for her to actually return (not just in metal)?
(I'll admit that perhaps that's a little too far-fetched a theory But anything can happen...Hino is quite unpredictable, as we all saw in Chapter 84 I'm just excited about seeing how Kaname will react to seeing the HW's metal come alive )
Kara wrote: Kaname isn't in Yuuki's brother's body; I was under the impression that the baby boy was a sacrifice of some sort Or was the baby Kuran killed just so Kaname could adopt his identity and replace him as Yuuki's 'brother'?
(Feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken here. I think I need to go back and revise some chapters of VK; I'm just going off what I can remember, and it's been a long time since I read that chapter! )
My speculation was that maybe the HW didn't die..? We know that she threw her own heart into the fire, but is that enough to kill a pureblood vampire?
Again, it's been a while since I've read some of the earlier chapters, but I believe that a PB would need a fatal blow to the heart / head with an anti-vampire weapon to truly die?
Perhaps her spirit was in eternal slumber within the furnace? The 'essence' of her has been described as being strong by both Yuuki and Kaname when they came within proximity of the HA.
If this were the case, could she be awakened from her slumber in the same way that Kaname was? Is it possible for her to actually return (not just in metal)?
(I'll admit that perhaps that's a little too far-fetched a theory But anything can happen...Hino is quite unpredictable, as we all saw in Chapter 84 I'm just excited about seeing how Kaname will react to seeing the HW's metal come alive )
Kara wrote:kanamekuranlover wrote:Kara wrote:
...Perhaps Kaname intends to eventually repeat the ritual that Rido performed on him? Does anyone think that maybe Kaname plans on sacrificing a pureblood to summon the Hooded Woman? Perhaps then Yuuki might get an explanation from the ancestor woman herself!
kaname is not in yuuki's brother's body,his brother's body was torn apart by rido. kaname turned himself to a baby,sara got pierced by mother metal,there are high hopes of her death.
This is true
Kaname isn't in Yuuki's brother's body; I was under the impression that the baby boy was a sacrifice of some sort Or was the baby Kuran killed just so Kaname could adopt his identity and replace him as Yuuki's 'brother'?
(Feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken here. I think I need to go back and revise some chapters of VK; I'm just going off what I can remember, and it's been a long time since I read that chapter! )
My speculation was that maybe the HW didn't die..? We know that she threw her own heart into the fire, but is that enough to kill a pureblood vampire?
Again, it's been a while since I've read some of the earlier chapters, but I believe that a PB would need a fatal blow to the heart / head with an anti-vampire weapon to truly die?
Perhaps her spirit was in eternal slumber within the furnace? The 'essence' of her has been described as being strong by both Yuuki and Kaname when they came within proximity of the HA.
If this were the case, could she be awakened from her slumber in the same way that Kaname was? Is it possible for her to actually return (not just in metal)?
(I'll admit that perhaps that's a little too far-fetched a theory But anything can happen...Hino is quite unpredictable, as we all saw in Chapter 84 I'm just excited about seeing how Kaname will react to seeing the HW's metal come alive )
KuranPrince wrote:Nina... my apologies to you, but I can't see either of the pages from mangareader.net's site.
For all the above reasons personally I would find such a development; viz HW coming back to life, as inconsistency spoiling my trust to what we know as facts in the story, but this is only my opinion.
nina wrote:Thanks lililovelilica for your effort to scanlate the new chapter!
I wonder though why we do not have any english scanlation so far ... maybe they are waiting for the Japanese text?
ButterflyWingsx wrote:Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:If you really didn't care then you wouldn't have made the original post to begin with. :/ Sorry if I offended by saying that ShikixRima was the only couple moment if that's what brought this on... but it's just my opinion. I really didn't see the yume hug as romantic, but more as a tense situation since Kaname was about to be killed, and If I were a yume I wouldn't be going "Aww they're so adorable!This chapter was so yume! x3" I'd be thinking " Noo Kaname don't die! Yay Yuuki protected him!" I actually was worried that Yuuki would get hurt in Kaname's place. o.O I'm sorry, but I still have to agree with SassyKnight. Yuuki protecting Kaname was of course a natural reaction, but that doesn't mean there wasn't love behind it... Yuuki does still love Kaname, so even if they were just in battle, if he's about to be killed by the enemy of course she'd protect him. I don't think Yuuki planned on killing him but like she said just to stop him. And yea, i'm not neutral, but I really did see THIS chapter as a neutral one pairing-wise...because it was pretty much focused on the action the whole chapter and the pairings aren't what VK is all about. :/ If you want to label it as a yume chapter be my guest, it's your opinion, but I label it as the epic all-out vampire fight chapter! I know it's probably weird for to enjoy action in a shoujo manga but I do. ^^; VK needs more action and less sexual tension if you ask me...>.>
Please don't confuse me being confused by your logic for me caring. If you feel that I'm offended by all means feel free to think so. It doesn't matter either way, we all entitled to our opinions after all. I'm not labeling the chapter as a Yume chapter just enjoying the Yume moments within the chapter and not jumping to any conclusions. For all I know, Kaname and Yuuki could start fighting again in the next chapter. Is it a crime for Yume fans to enjoy Yume moments? I don't think it is, since Zekis have the same right and are allowed to do the same. I'm sure some Zekis think this chapter had Zeki hints because they were both fighting Kaname or watever>.< but on to the point...
I'm glad you at least admit you're not neutral. I never said this chapter is all Yume romance and ZOMG they're gonna make love on the battlefield its just you misinterpreting what I said here.
How do you know I don't enjoy the action in VK that I'm all about the pairings? Action is what I want actually in the next chapter but more with Sara than with the main trio. I think Sara has the potential to be a bad ass villain, but sadly she didn't really get to do anything epic.
So far all you did was draw conclusions and assume things, still not bother to explain my initial question. How is it that the Shiki&Rima moment was a "couple" moment and the Yume moment not a "couple" moment? o.O
I highlighted below what in your post made me scratch my head in confusion. I can see I'm not gonna get an answer other than just you calling me Yume obsessed and evading the question. So, I won't hold my breath waiting for a reply.Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:I agree, the chapter wasn't about "couples" at all... People it's not all the story revolves around. o.O For me, I saw an epic all-out vampire fight... x3 ( a symbol the story is drawing to a close maybe, since Part 1 of VK ended with Cross Academy falling apart, and now the Hunter Assoc. is falling apart.) the only "couple" moment was Shiki&Rima. And it was very adorable might i say <3
I was more focus on your contradiction more then anything else. Sorry you felt the need to explain to me if you were a Yume what you'd be worried about. I'm not worried about Kaname or anyone's death atm when and if it happens I'll worry about it then, k? *winks*
Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:Ok, sorry if I misinterpreted. I just thought you meant that both sassyknight and I were not allowed to say the chapter was a neutral one because there were so many obvious yume moments we were supposed to have noticed. And that kinda offended me. You automatically assumed we were denying it...when we didn't even see it.
"Well, I think Zekis say things like this chapter wasn't Zeki or Yume because things did not turn out to their likings. Or things like Zero and Yuuki fighting together so romantic...Yume has no development and cannot match my awesome Zeki pairing just to grasp at straws or to not face the disappointment."
I'm not the only one who's assuming things, you're basing off of your view of Zeki's and that's unfair.
It's ok, all you had to say was I liked the Shima moments coz Yume's not my cup of tea. Oh and before you say I'm assuming things I draw those conclusion from your own words:And i didn't mean to contradict myself, I only meant the chapter didn't revolve around couples and there was only one couple "moment" that stood out to me, and that was with Shiki & Rima. Sorry to be confusing....>.<
Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:I loved this chapter for all the long-awaited action...sorry for disappointing you? :/ I know you guys find it kinky or whatever but I personally did not find the fighting scene between Yuuki & Kaname sexy or anything like that... maybe it's just because I'm a zeki, but I didn't see any romance there.
Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:Whoa whoa, calm down, I'm not allowed to be neutral now? I simply enjoyed this chapter for what is was for once because a lot happened and I wasn't even considering Zeki vs Yume. >.< You wanted a pairing war reaction? I'm sorry, what am I supposed to say " Dear god there was a "yume moment"!! What will I ever do???" I do not deny that if I were a yume, yes I would think the Yuuki & Kaname hugging moment was cute... But of course she would protect Kaname, like you said, she loves him, this I did not deny.
Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:Yuuki does still love Kaname, so even if they were just in battle, if he's about to be killed by the enemy of course she'd protect him. I don't think Yuuki planned on killing him but like she said just to stop him. And yea, i'm not neutral, but I really did see THIS chapter as a neutral one pairing-wise...because it was pretty much focused on the action the whole chapter and the pairings aren't what VK is all about. :/
ButterflyWingsx wrote:Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:Ok, sorry if I misinterpreted. I just thought you meant that both sassyknight and I were not allowed to say the chapter was a neutral one because there were so many obvious yume moments we were supposed to have noticed. And that kinda offended me. You automatically assumed we were denying it...when we didn't even see it.
Well, sorry to offend you but if the truth hurts its not my fault. I said nowhere in my posts that you guys had to see the obvious or that you guys weren't allowed to have your opinions. I was only amazed that you were saying you didn't see no couple moments in this chapter and that you simply enjoyed the fighting scenes etc, etc, then in the next lines you're saying how you thought the Shiki moment was cute and were the only couple moment. Which is why I thought you were being bias, and I draw that conclusion based on what you said in your post. Whereas, you just came out and call me Yume obsessed just coz I said a few things about the Zeki fandom. Weren't you saying it's not about couples that all you enjoyed was the actions and fighting? o.O
Here are the facts:
Both Shima & Yume had a hug (Rima is hugging Shiki and Yuuki is hugging Kaname). All I wanted to know was what's the difference and what made one a couple moment and the other one not a couple moment?
"Well, I think Zekis say things like this chapter wasn't Zeki or Yume because things did not turn out to their likings. Or things like Zero and Yuuki fighting together so romantic...Yume has no development and cannot match my awesome Zeki pairing just to grasp at straws or to not face the disappointment."
I'm not the only one who's assuming things, you're basing off of your view of Zeki's and that's unfair.
Eh? Unfair about what? I told you I was speaking in general, sorry if you felt it was towards you. But being an ex Zeki shipper myself I know what the Zeki fandom is like, so, I'm speaking from what I know and how some of the fans act. Sorry if you think it's about you, again it was a general statement.
It's ok, all you had to say was I liked the Shima moments coz Yume's not my cup of tea. Oh and before you say I'm assuming things I draw those conclusion from your own words:And i didn't mean to contradict myself, I only meant the chapter didn't revolve around couples and there was only one couple "moment" that stood out to me, and that was with Shiki & Rima. Sorry to be confusing....>.<Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:I loved this chapter for all the long-awaited action...sorry for disappointing you? :/ I know you guys find it kinky or whatever but I personally did not find the fighting scene between Yuuki & Kaname sexy or anything like that... maybe it's just because I'm a zeki, but I didn't see any romance there.Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:Whoa whoa, calm down, I'm not allowed to be neutral now? I simply enjoyed this chapter for what is was for once because a lot happened and I wasn't even considering Zeki vs Yume. >.< You wanted a pairing war reaction? I'm sorry, what am I supposed to say " Dear god there was a "yume moment"!! What will I ever do???" I do not deny that if I were a yume, yes I would think the Yuuki & Kaname hugging moment was cute... But of course she would protect Kaname, like you said, she loves him, this I did not deny.Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:Yuuki does still love Kaname, so even if they were just in battle, if he's about to be killed by the enemy of course she'd protect him. I don't think Yuuki planned on killing him but like she said just to stop him. And yea, i'm not neutral, but I really did see THIS chapter as a neutral one pairing-wise...because it was pretty much focused on the action the whole chapter and the pairings aren't what VK is all about. :/
So yeah, you can see the many contradictions there. I don't think anyone here would try to change your opinion. You seem to think I want you to change your opinion or something but it's not true, I respect others opinion. I just hate when people keep contradicting themselves and sorry your post stand out to me.
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