Vampire Knight Chapter 89 Raws and Translation!!

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The raws are here!
part one:
http://whitelilyscans.livejournal.com/3693.html
part two:
http://whitelilyscans.livejournal.com/3863.html
BTW this is my first post,hi everyone ^-^
Sorry if its the wrong place to post
Edit:English translation:
http://whitelilyscans.livejournal.com/

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And the Chinese scanlation http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2116973466

and the chapter provided as link by Evis- thank you... http://mangafox.me/manga/vampire_knight/v17/c089/1.html

@Evis thank you for the link!

lalaland wrote: i have to disagree with you on that, on the translation i found (this is the page before the bed section) kaname says to yuki, "If you don't know where your heart's destination is... I'll tell you, Yuuki. If you're okay with someone like me..." i don't know about you but that sounds like he WANTS to STAY with her by saying "if your ok with someone like me...." and just before that saying, "if you don'f know where your heart's destination is...."
in short the whole of what kaname is saying to yuki is if you don't know who to turn to and you don't want to live alone you can stay with me (hopefully forever is what he means.

Umm… this is one of the passages that I find a bit confusing that’s why I said that I’ll wait till we have and another source to check the texts … unfortunately the English scanlation doesn’t seem very good either *sigh*

Anyway… perhaps you are right and I’m wrong… but if so; then where is the catch?
Why Yuuki still thinks that she will lose him again? Why the need to sacrifice herself in order to save him?
Why Cross is against Kaname’s plans?

And there is the volcano “project” that no one mentioned currently BUT Yuuki said something interesting that it might be linked to the volcano … She said to Kaname that he’s lying even now because he didn’t take her at the hide-out house i.e. probably at the mansion with the volcano.

I dunno…but all these do not seem very compatible with the interpretation that now we are seeing them living happily ever after… I think there are more difficult curves to this path till we reach the happy end
But this is only my own interpretation for the time being…

chacile wrote: I've also thought of that.. but if I remember correctly, the reason why the HW died was not merely because she threw her heart out but also gave away enormous amount of blood. Shizuka for one, did not just die because Kaname took her heart out but because she was previously wounded by the Bloody Rose.. Even Hanadagi did not die from mere tearing off of his heart as well but from the anti-vampire sword Kaname swung (otherwise, if mere tearing off of the heart is the reason why the HW died, then it wouldn't serve justice to her being an ancestor). Whatever the purpose is, Sara had already mentioned that the heart should contain most of the pureblood's power, but I could be wrong though.

Oh chacile long time no see dear ^^ (I forgot to greet you before lol) … I’m glad seeing you again!!! *hugs*

Yes you remember correctly… HW had given an enormous amount of her blood and her heart so there are seemingly 2 factors causing her death. But as you mentioned… Shizuka died because she was also wounded by the BR i.e. an anti-vampire weapon i.e. an extension of the mother metal…
Thus I think that this is similar to what I’m claiming too… if Kaname throws his heart into the furnace the product i.e. the metal maybe is nullifying its ability to regenerate himself causing his death. If I may say it more schematically … is like an anti-vampire sword constantly piercing his heart only instead of a forged sword we are talking about the metal itself.
However you are right that there is a difference between HW’s case with what Kaname seems to planning to do, since he didn’t say that he will give his blood as well. So maybe my “theory” is wrong ^^’

But aside from the mechanism that may or may not kill him there are and the reasons that I mentioned above of why I think that Kaname is on a suicidal course… thus and Yuuki is thinking to sacrifice herself to prevent that.

--ahhh.. I almost forgot to comment on the cover pic, possessive Yume is possessive, and Hino just realized one of my fantasies.. that Kaname and Yuuki's love for each other is so vampiric, their's aren't thread of fate but chains of fate.. it's very dark, but appealing.. just like how their reunion was drawn..

So do I! But I totally agree with you! The cover is outstanding and the first thing I’d noticed was the handcuffs on both of them!!!!
A symbol of their peerless bond … past, present and future as the tag also says!
I also think that symbolises that their fates are bound to be the same… together in life or death…

@Jul too much brain-food… I’m more confused now lol... have to think more haha

Hello!

Usually, I don't sign in to give my opinion, but I wanted to for this chapter. Sorry, I wasn't sure if I should have marked certain parts of my post as spoilers or not. I honestly don't know how to do that. :3

First of all, very sad to see Zero have to lose his memories of Yuki; someone who he cares for so deeply and meant so much to him. Then after, when Yuki had checked in on him to see if he truly had forgotten, that really evoked feelings of sadness within me.

Something I really liked about this chapter (besides Kaname and Yuki in a bed together lol) is that there was some emotion on Kaname's face, and more than once! I love it when he looks surprised, since usually he appears pretty neutral, passive, or sad. When Kaien informs Kaname of what Yuki had done concerning Zero's memories of her, Kaname seems genuinely surprised! I loved the wide, shocked look in his eyes. Also, when Yuki first steps out from behind the tree and their gazes meet each other; I love the expressions on them both! And again, after Yuki kisses Kaname and the shocked look in his eyes! So much, I enjoy observing his facial expressions. )

I really do feel for Yuki, and am always cheering for her. I want her to be strong, and make decisions that she feels are right (which she has). It really pulled at my heart when she thought that she couldn't cry, or cling to Kaname. With all of the lies, she was so reluctant, but gave in to her emotions. It must be so hard for her...I want to believe that now, after the events in this chapter, that things are going to end happily, but with Vampire Knight it is difficult to say. There are always twists around every corner it seems.

Also, very glad to see Aido's father alive and well, and his reaction to it! Anyway, not an incredibly in-depth analysis for the chapter, but just wanted to share my thoughts. )

WHOE...WHOOOEEE.....

I haven't read the translation yet...but I saw that panel...Did...Did Yuuki and Kaname just do the dirty?? Finalllly??

*cough coughs*

(as YUME fan, my thought of her confession herself in ch-87 because she thought there's no future for her and Kaname anymore so she moved on with Zero)
Kaname expected Yuuki tried to stop him but he knows she couldn't.
The thing happened that he didn't wish Yuuki chose to erase Zero's memories,
break down her relationship just for stopping him.

The dialogues between Kaien-Kaname and Kaname-herself changed situations.
Yuuki found out Kaname's still the same person who loves her so much and
she's now cut Zero off her life already(poor Zero I wish he'd never remember
her again) I don't see what's wrong if she's together with Kaname. Don't forget
Kaname's the one that she loves too.
This chapter is not a crap at all like more ZEKIs said. Because of since Yuuki and Kaname
separated chapter- story twisted into the way their want to dosen't mean that
it has gonna end like the want to either.
So even I hate idea of Kaname dead, it still hardly chaces for them live together happily.

I really wish that I knew what the hell Yuuki is exactly planning here. With the addition of this chapter it just seemed like she erased Zero's memories so he wouldn't be hurt when she chose Kaname..but if Kaname is going to become the new parent, she can't be with him anyways...Hino is going to give me a heart attack, just you watch. Time to go read some fanfics

Just to add an additional link for translation made by Senby, thanks our gratitude. I think that it clarifies some points.

http://vampire-knight.livejournal.com

With the addition of this chapter it just seemed like she erased Zero's memories so he wouldn't be hurt when she chose Kaname..but if Kaname is going to become the new parent, she can't be with him anyways.

I agree the intentions are unclear and not just by Yuuki, also Kaname and Kaien. But that's Hino how else is she going to keep us up our toes?

I find it rather ironic that Yuuki is putting Zero in the same position she was in from the beginning - scared and uncertain without her memories.

In Chapter 30, which Chapter 89 makes reference to, Zero says that Kaname is always deciding things for him.

Yuuki might be more similar to Kaname than we initially thought...or either Yuuki is really following Kaname to the farthest depths of corruption (Chapter 49). The chapter cover, which binds Yuuki and Kaname by chains, is a damning reminder of their fate (as chacile has mentioned earlier). Black roses, in comparison to the light coloured rose that Kaname leaves her alone with at the end of Chapter 64, are far from suggesting innocence.

All this time, Kaname has kept Yuuki in a daydream - not wanting her to experience grief and hoping this 'ball of warmth' remains happy (can't think of any other way to describe it). It is this warmth that Kaname admires but has lost long ago. By disillusioning herself from this childlike ignorance - by taking the memories of someone who loves her and, in essence, throwing away the other half of her heart - it seems to coincide well with her loss of innocence in this chapter called "A Night to End A Thousand Nights".


By the way, it seems too much of a coincidence for Chapter 64 to be called "A Proposition at the End of a Thousand Nights" and for the Chapter 84 to be called as it is with a tagline: "In the future and in the past, a unique connection exists for all eternity".

Can anyone explain to me how Kaname from the past was able to see Yuuki from the future and somehow their times coincided for Artemis to be named as it is?

In a sense, Kaname and Yuuki's relationship is rather surreal and 'never meant to be' in human terms, with Kaname being one of the first ancestors of the family. But that's about the inkling of an idea I have at the moment.

Juliet wrote: Just to add an additional link for translation made by Senby, thanks our gratitude. I think that it clarifies some points.

http://vampire-knight.livejournal.com

Aaaahhh thanks Juli!
And a huge thanks to Senby!!!
This month especially we needed her good translations more than ever!

As for reactions to the chapter my opinion is that Hino never personally made Yuuki to give any promise or hint to Zero that she really wants him or wants to be with him. She had declared to him that she belonged with Kaname and the kiss at the ball is debatable, actually from Zero to Yuuki (without Zero even listening to her thoughts the moment that Kaname arrives and with no sentimental attachment, afterwards. We know that Zero has great antennas, detecting kaname around and also he is the one willing to dance all of the sudden as in being into a role tonight, as Yuuki suggested.
I am not questioning but the fact that it can be seen both ways, because there are no after thoughts later, can be seen many ways.

Also Zero had been a witness to all of Yuuki’s declarations about Kaname ( she runs to him at the academy, the fact that she is asking to kill her with his blade). So can it be that she led him on in order to be a slut?

My thoughts exactly!
Even though I haven’t read their resentful posts (I've stopped doing that a lot time ago), from some comments here and there I realized that they are literally slaughtering Yuuki, Yume and Kaname. *sigh*

However I’m not bothered by their “French” but from their supposedly reasons… I’m really, really baffled with some reactions this time!

IMO it is quite different to be disappointed or even mad from a development or better because the story didn’t change its given direction from chapter 1, fulfilling your dreams... from bashing the characters for being consistent with what are saying from chapter 1 again!

I mean I can understand someone being sad, angry or even drop the story because realizes that it won’t take its desired direction … but from that point to calling Yuuki s**** and a traitor to Zero because she slept with her FIANCÉ … NOTE, not because she erased his memories - because we already knew that from the previous chapter- but because she had sex with her LOVER from chapter 30, with the man that ADORES from chapter 1, with the man that STATED loud and clear to Zero 2 chapters ago that BELONG with!

This is not only unjustified and profoundly unfair but preposterous… and above all betrays ignorance of the REAL story itself!
I’m really baffled and now I’m sure that we read a different story!

- Why she betrayed Zero by sleeping with the man that loves more than her life???? Why???? Excuse me, but the other way around would have been a betrayal after ALL her declarations for Kaname and not for Zero!

Blaming her for leading kaname with all the things that she has said and done in this script if she chose Zero at the end yes, but the reverse I can not see, I am sorry.

Exactly! Thank you!

- When; Yuuki promised something to Zero; or when she gave him the slightest hope that she loves him ROMANTICALLY; or that they could have a future together? When in front of his eyes; seconds after hearing from him that Kaname is the worst creature ever who destroyed his family, Yuuki said “MY Kaname… didn’t you came to take me away”???
Or; when she told him flat out “I cannot live with you… I belong to Kaname”???
It is not Yuuki’s fault if some CHOSE NOT to believe HER words, but believe conveniently that she is lying!

- Or is it the previous kiss; that it was Zero’s initiative in the first place? Was it Yuuki who kissed him; or he huh?
Because I think we have lost the ball here!

-Or; how Yuuki is now a s**** because she slept with the love of her life, but she won’t be a s**** IF despite that, in the future goes to Zero’s side? Because I heard that too! *pulls her hair out*
Hypocrisy and double standards prevail once more…

So… Yuuki might have not realized someone’s’ dreams but she didn’t betray Zero by sleeping with Kaname… period!

As for her decision to erase his memories… I have said it from the previous chapter already and now I think it is clearer… yes from some aspects it is harsh but she did it for HIM because obviously this is something that hurts her and it is out of her character.

And honestly… Zero had nothing to do with her decision? >>>

1. Occasionally I drink the blood of those I hunt

2. …their dirty blood filled with insanity…

I’m not blaming him but if he was able to move on with his life rather been drown in an ocean of misery, then she wouldn’t be “compelled” to reach such extremes.

Look at Yuuki’s shocked face from this horrid revelation! And who is the root of this constant suffering of Zero? Isn’t her? Isn’t his feelings for her;… his craving for her blood? How can we ignore this significant factor for a vampire? Because we are not talking about human but a vampire.
But can we blame her cuz she do not love Zero in that way? Of course not as we cannot blame Zero for having those feelings...

And then comes the kiss and his references from the past > “You’re very similar to a precious girl who DIED a year ago”

Ergo… is it really so horrid that she chose to release him for this suffering since she could never answer to his romantic feelings?
Did those who are condemning her for arrogance and manipulation ever thought; what a "burden" was for her, Zero’s misery?

I’m not saying that she didn’t do something against his will, or that she didn’t take decisions for him without him … but how can we ignore her motives which are showing care and concern about him?

And bottom line, why all her accusers didn’t accuse her in the previous chapter when she erased his memories but only now?
Is it by any chance because now we have the Yume bed scene which shows beyond any doubt with whom she is in love with; crashing their hopes for a Zeki end?
Because despite whatever some might be claiming or still hoping… or even in a Zeki end by default Yuuki made her choice crystal clear… remember as some used to say… the actions speak louder than the words… so?

nina wrote:My thoughts exactly!
Even though I haven’t read their resentful posts (I've stopped doing that a lot time ago), from some comments here and there I realized that they are literally slaughtering Yuuki, Yume and Kaname. *sigh*

However I’m not bothered by their “French” but from their supposedly reasons… I’m really, really baffled with some reactions this time!

IMO it is quite different to be disappointed or even mad from a development or better because the story didn’t change its given direction from chapter 1, fulfilling your dreams... from bashing the characters for being consistent with what are saying from chapter 1 again!

I mean I can understand someone being sad, angry or even drop the story because realizes that it won’t take its desired direction … but from that point to calling Yuuki s**** and a traitor to Zero because she slept with her FIANCÉ … NOTE, not because she erased his memories - because we already knew that from the previous chapter- but because she had sex with her LOVER from chapter 30, with the man that ADORES from chapter 1, with the man that STATED loud and clear to Zero 2 chapters ago that BELONG with!

This is not only unjustified and profoundly unfair but preposterous… and above all betrays ignorance of the REAL story itself!
I’m really baffled and now I’m sure that we read a different story!

- Why she betrayed Zero by sleeping with the man that loves more than her life???? Why???? Excuse me, but the other way around would have been a betrayal after ALL her declarations for Kaname and not for Zero!

OMG thank you for saying this, I've tried to point out the very same thing to these bitter Zekis but they are just too stuck in their Zeki fantasy to face reality. Yuuki cannot be a slut for sleeping with her fiance. She was never Zero's girl to begin with.

I think becoz Zero and Yuuki kissed in Ch 87 they suddenly think that Yuuki is his girl. Or maybe since Kaname broke up/left Yuuki they thought that automatically meant she no longer loved him or consider herself his fiance. But Yuuki and Zero both said in Ch 86 that she belong to Kaname and Zero agreed and said yes she's Kaname's fiance. The Zeki kiss was thrown in there but the facts didn't change that Kaname and Yuuki still had unresolved feelings and she still saw herself as Kaname's girl.

I bet Zekis will be all happy again when Zero gets his memories back and Yuuki runs to Zero to beg for his forgiveness. And if Yuuki ditches Kaname in the next chapter they'll suddenly love her again. LOL

nina wrote:And bottom line, why all her accusers didn’t accuse her in the previous chapter when she erased his memories but only now?

This is very true. Some of them came to Yuuki's defense saying she was doing it to protect Zero but now suddenly they see how much of a b**** she is to him. Such hypocrisy! I laugh.

nina wrote:Is it by any chance because now we have the Yume bed scene which shows beyond any doubt with whom she is in love with; crashing their hopes for a Zeki end?
Because despite whatever some might be claiming or still hoping… or even in a Zeki end by default Yuuki made her choice crystal clear… remember as some used to say… the actions speak louder than the words… so?

Yeah, I think the bed scene pretty much says who she's in love with becoz Kaname gave her a choice. He said if she would have him and she obviously went willingly. Why would you sleep with a man you didn't love? o.O I think most Zekis realized that and that's why they are dropping this series. Even if Yuuki still interact with Zero for the sake of the LT, I would be stunt if she tries to have a relationship with Zero now after doing that with Kaname.

nina wrote:
- Why she betrayed Zero by sleeping with the man that loves more than her life???? Why???? Excuse me, but the other way around would have been a betrayal after ALL her declarations for Kaname and not for Zero!

I'm not saying this because I'm against Yume's recent development or a Zeki fan, but I think there is evidence to suggest that Yuuki led Zero on to some extent:

Chapter 74: (after Maria tells Yuuki to give Zero to her because she doesn't need him and has Kaname already)
Zero: Do you want to stop?
Yuuki: I only wanted to take a good look at the person whose blood I'm going to drink....I'm not biting you simply because you asked me to...This is an agreement of mutual interests.

What mutual interests? Hino has made it clear that a vampire can only drink the blood of someone that they love in order to slake their thirst. If Yuuki is signalling (whether she means to or not) to Zero that she wants his blood (see Chapter 73 about how he tells Yuuki that she can't hide his desire for his blood), then isn't this reasonably misleading?

And she goes further to state this in clearer terms:


Yuuki: Please help me...I want Zero's blood now. I...have always been holding back my thirst.

Now that she mentions this, we have to look deeper into past chapters.

Chapter 34:
Yuuki: I thought that if I became a necessary person for Zero, then I could say goodbye to the person I am now, who does not have a past... (and so forth)
Zero: ...It sounds to me like you're saying you desperately need me. You're wrong, Yuuki. The one that Yuuki needs is Kaname Kuran. It has been like that all along.

There should be more examples if you dig further.
If you look at it, this manga depicts many types of love that stem from a caretaker-and-person relationship.

Female Kuran ancestor >> Kaname
Kaname >> Yuuki
Yuuki >> Zero

The people involved can't help developing these attachments because the context itself is too strong, which makes it even more tragic. The similarities we see in the way Kaname deals with Yuuki and the way Yuuki deals with Zero might be the 'selfishness of a parent'. (Chapter 35)

I don't usually read things I know would hurt me. I am not a masochist, but something pushed me to read them.

GAAAAAHH MY HEART!!

This chapter is supposed to be a very wonderful one (though it still is) but those negative things...I can't ignore them. huhuhu

As a moderator I would like to ask politely not to post or re-post comments published at other boards or forums here, because that can create confusion and we should have the permission of these people to post here in order to be politically correct.

we all have seen the comments, as we travel at the same web spaces and so as you understand personalizing is not necessary.

ButterflyWingsx wrote:

OMG thank you for saying this, I've tried to point out the very same thing to these bitter Zekis but they are just too stuck in their Zeki fantasy to face reality. Yuuki cannot be a slut for sleeping with her fiance. She was never Zero's girl to begin with.

ButterflyWingsx wrote: I bet Zekis will be all happy again when Zero gets his memories back and Yuuki runs to Zero to beg for his forgiveness. And if Yuuki ditches Kaname in the next chapter they'll suddenly love her again. LOL

frap wrote:---Wait, what? Quickly forgotten about Zero? They are the ones who conveniently ignored all that Yuuki said ("I belong to Kaname") and now they are blaming Yuuki for THEIR own fault! Unbelievable!!

And ummmm.. What are they waiting for?? They have been expecting for something just because of the kiss that Zero initiated?? How stupid can it get! UUUGGH!

=_= Okay, the insults and snide remarks about Zeki need to stop. I've seen it all over the forums and I'm not disagreeing that there are some psycho Zeki fans out there who are willing to create a torch-wielding mob and flip-flop with their feelings about Yuuki and diss Kaname up the wazoo, however not all of us are like that. As much as I would like to see the scenario that I have in my head play out, I realize that it might not and I'm sure many others do (but fanfics are there to fix that problem ).

I'm not planning a long and drawn out tangent about how Zero got the shaft and Kaname is a d*** and Yuuki is a w**** which apparently the popular majority believes Zekis live for.

I will say for myself that I don't think that Yuuki did a bad thing by sleeping with Kaname. As it has been said before, she is his fiancee so it makes complete sense why she would. I'm not completely sure what her plan is, though my boyfriend gave me some good input: maybe she wants to keep the Kuran line going and get pregnant which perhaps is another reason that she made a point of sleeping with him before he sacrifices himself. I do believe it will be a Yume ending and at this development I doubt that Zero will get his memories back whatsoever.

With all of that being said, it's hard sometimes for me to read the chapter discussions because there is so much hatred being thrown at the Zeki fandom. Please don't group all Zeki fans together and make us sound like complete stark-raving idiots. It's insulting to me as a person and makes me feel like I'm constantly being poked fun at whenever I come here ,though I'm pretty damn sure I'll get a reply about how butthurt I am from at least ONE person (comes with the territory of being a Zeki, I guess )

With all of that being said, it's hard sometimes for me to read the chapter discussions because there is so much hatred being thrown at the Zeki fandom. Please don't group all Zeki fans together and make us sound like complete stark-raving idiots. It's insulting to me as a person and makes me feel like I'm constantly being poked fun at whenever I come here ,though I'm pretty damn sure I'll get a reply about how butthurt I am from at least ONE person (comes with the territory of being a Zeki, I guess

please do not be insulted, after all the saying and actions of some should not really bother and insult you personally, especially since your point of view differs.

Everyone should be responsible of his own comments and approach to the script, i think that it's obvious that you do not need to defend after all some portion of the fandom that choose to express it's feelings of bitterness and sense of frustration in that way.

The more insulting a comment can be or biased or cruel the more it betrays the bitterness of the person that makes it. But no one can take responsibility for them, it was their choice to believe or not to believe.

All of these comments are biased based on the assumption that Kaname is a villain and Yuuki would be with Zero in the end. Fine.

Since they had predetermined the end, they were sure about the characters, and they did not need to take into consideration Yuuki's statements about Kaname that are all over the script because they were "brotherly" and she had just wanted to stop Kaname just from killing all other purebloods, or she lived in a fantasy about Kaname all so long, what is the reason to express such feelings of hate and to bash all over the web, for sleeping with him?

They can keep the plot that they made, because it belongs to them, also say that she did it out of obligation and that she wants Zero deep down in her heart, after all Kaname is going to die and Zeki is going to live together eternity. It's their plot, nothing to argue about, apart from the fact that why are they against Hino? What has she to do with all of this? Hino has been writing VK and they were not concerned with that on the past so why does it bother them now?
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Enough said here, back to the plot, the real one;

I do believe it will be a Yume ending and at this development I doubt that Zero will get his memories back whatsoever.

At this point I think that Hino deals with both Zero and Kaname reaching for each one a climax. Yuuki is actually standing alone in the middle.

Yuuki to Zero - Hino gave them the kissing scene as a development of their potential coupling and made a closure with it.

Yuuki to Kaname - The couple makes love before Kaname's sacrifice. I am afraid that this is another closure here in analogy.

Yuuki's decision for Zero: To erase his memories of her and set him free so he can now live on his own. To stand on his own feet and not chained or bonded with a memory.

Yuuki's decision for kaname: To make him human, again set him free of his bond with immortality, so that he does not have to be as HW was all of this time. Offer him leisure time and rest.

See how independent she stands so both men can be set free from bonds of the past...

Zero from her..

kaname from his ancestor duty...

But this is not a solution. Zero needs to get his memories back and he needs to because only in this way he can make real peace and move forward happy and whole.

And for Kaname we are waiting.

Kaien's lines are giving me hope

Are you going to shoulder everything on your own again? Kaname-kun, don’t decide on everything on your own, without revealing your intent to anyone anymore. What good will it do to anyone if you are the only one getting your hands dirty little by little? I was just taking my chances, and hoping that Yuuki could stop you.

So what is Kaien really saying here? Able now to see through Kaname's intentions it's like saying to him hat he has no need to take this burden on his own anymore and be cryptical about it. He puts Yuuki by his side, Aido knows that his father is alive, Zero is send to the mansion.

I got the hunch that Kaien is cycling Kaname slowly to create a safety net around him and not to leave him again alone to act as he pleases, hurting himself more in the process. Just my impression but Kaien's words are a prologue of what he is going to do...Kaien is also in the search of a solution, hopefully.

At this chapter we see nobles co-operate with hunters to ensure the peace. Another step added to the co-existence ideal, setting the grounds for a mutual trust among vampires and hunters. Now it's only left to continue and to develop further.

Zero has to play a role in this also if Hino wants to add balance. So far Yuuki, Kaname and Cross are the ones leading and co-operating with their own initiatives. So I can not see Zero standing the corner, he has to act in some way differently this time around and i hope that he does once he gets his memories back. Wishful thinking they are all going to get out of this dark forest, safe and sane.

Aquasixio wrote:=_= Okay, the insults and snide remarks about Zeki need to stop. I've seen it all over the forums and I'm not disagreeing that there are some psycho Zeki fans out there who are willing to create a torch-wielding mob and flip-flop with their feelings about Yuuki and diss Kaname up the wazoo, however not all of us are like that. As much as I would like to see the scenario that I have in my head play out, I realize that it might not and I'm sure many others do (but fanfics are there to fix that problem ).

Umm my comment was not directed towards you at all. It was only referring to THOSE Zekis who give themselves a bad name.

I apologize if my remarks offended you. It's hard to ignore some Zekis especially when they spread their hate all over the web. I do try to ignore and pay no mind to these people but from time to time I like to come here to vent since they love to bash Yume and Kaname. I do sometimes generalize, I know there are still a few nice Zekis out there and I apologize to all the nice Zekis here.

Here I am, out of my dark corner.

I mumbled a bit but I couldn't get rid of the feelings I have - a mix of boredom and frustration. It seems to me that Hino-sensei is working hard, lately, to make me fall out of love with the plot. And I'm really trying to endure, for now. But let's start from the beginning.

The bed scene

Yes, this is what everybody is talking about, so I'll say what I have to say and then concentrate on the plot.

I'm obviously happy they are back together again and they could talk about what have happened since Kaname departed - even if he doesn't spit it all out, it was good, for once, not seeing him running away as soon as Yuuki appears. And I would have plunged with my nails in his back far harder than Yuuki. I would have also worked him over before having sex - a little SM, but I would have been frustrated about Kaname's lack of sharing much more than Yuuki. I'm glad to see Yuuki angry and aware that Kaname's hiding a huge part of his own intentions, and I hope she will be ready, later, to react promptly to what Kaname's thinking to do - to abandon her again, probably, even if he promised not to run away - or to prevent her from acting.

I can't understand all the mess about "OMG!!! Why are they in bed together??? What's happening here???" simply because I've read the story until now and it's not a surprise, for me, to see the canon couple having sex. I've found the scene a bit rushed, considering it's the first time for Yuuki - and the heroine's first time is usually very emphasized in shoujo. I also have to say that I was hoping and dreaming about them being together so much, that the whole scene came out not to be up to my expectations. I've found much more sensual the kissing before Kaname's departing or the "Could you please kill me then?" scene. Here, we have two desperate people wishing to embrace their loved one just before dying. But I just can't feel this. I don't know how to explain myself properly. But I'm not going to forgive Hino-sensei so easily for wasting my precious moment IN ONLY TWO HASTY PANELS. Damn it! I want them burning! I want those hunger I've read chapters ago! What's with all this "I will show you"? I will show you what? Let's do it and shut up, you stupid ancestor. Speaking of which, I'd have also sucked a lot of his blood, after all this time. But alas, there was no space left in the chapter, clearly.

As for the "she cheated on Zero" argument - well, she's never been Zero fiancée, as @nina correctly said - and we know now, we've been reading the same version of the story! - so, as regards the Zeki kiss, you can only think about the opposite - that she was cheating on Kaname, at most. And even if I keep thinking that the masquerade chapter was a loss of time, we now have the opportunity to understand very well Yuuki's feelings. Because she (was) kissed by Zero, but she's in bed with Kaname. Because she let Zero follow her while she was desperatedly looking for Kaname, and her purpose - finding Kaname - has never changed until now. Because - and these are Yuuki's own words in this chapter - Kaname's the one she has to make an effort not to cling to. She didn't give it a second thought when she had to erase Zero's memories, but she's now taking the time to devour every single moment before their destiny completes. She was not in a bed with Zero before erasing his memories, but she's in bed with Kaname before making him human (and supposedly making him lose his memories of her, again). Can we say more, especially to those who don't want to listen? I don't think so. See my signature for further reference about my opinion.

BTW, I can understand a little how Zeki feel - the masquerade chapter truly came out to be a heavy troll for them. IF you don't consider Yuuki's resolution and the fact that that was probably a goodbye kiss - that is, IF you've never noticed the plot, but were only waiting distractedly for your ship to win, it's more than natural that you can feel trolled, and it hurts. I would have felt trolled on the opposite - but as I'm used to read the actual story, in addition to root for my ship, well... what more can I say?

May we say that she was cheating on Zero after this kiss, too? Have we ever seen Yuuki stepping forward and kiss Zero? No, it's always been Zero kissing the girl "who died one year ago". So what? If a hot guy you like tries to kiss you, would you refuse? I won't justify who calls her a slut. I would challenge anyone to behave bravely as she's doing, knowing she plans to die. So, please.

Zero's memories

I'm totally with @nina here, as always - it's clear that Yuuki was shocked as Zero confessed her to prey on his victims, because blood tablets were not enough to satisfy his hunger. This was but the last of a series of episodes in which she could see how much he desired "the girl who died", and how much he suffered for this. And he was going to suffer much more, when "the girl who died" would truly die. He would have always been a time bomb - the most powerful hunter totally ruled by his thirst. And totally obsessed with memories that don't exist anymore. Absolutely unable to accept his own self and live his life without them.

And also, Yuuki wants to belong to Kaname (her own words here), so she doesn't think it's fair, having another guy craving her blood - the most powerful hunter, moreover. That's why she decides to erase his memories - to set him free, and to set herself free. To set Kaname free, too - I'm very curious about what he's going to do, as a whole part of his plan was leaving the human Yuuki in the care of Zero. But if Zero doesn't remember about her, he has no reasons to protect an unknown girl - plus, he can be a danger for the current pureblood Yuuki. Yes, he can meet her and fall in love again, but in the meantime? If Zero is truly the key point of Kaname's plan, this is a serious blow. We shall see.

BTW, I want to make a little consideration about Zero's feelings. Are you really really sure he's in love with Yuuki? The current Yuuki? "You look like a girl who died one year ago". And the memories of the human Yuuki are the ones he cherishes the most. As long as they are gone, nothing remains - not even the slightest hint of good disposition towards the pureblood Yuuki in front of his eyes. Nor any other emotion - only his job as a hunter. This is a good chance for him to understand and accept the fact that not every pureblood is evil, and that the current Yuuki is the real one - no girl has died and it's nobody's fault. Let's stop all this useless hate. Please.

The fact that the answers he was looking for are given to Yuuki instead ("His feelings for you were not planned") when it's too late - well, I don't know if this is funny or sad. Let's pass over.

Finally, the plot

Let's happily summarize ch. 86-89:

Spoiler:

Seriously. Am I the only one to think that the last few chapters are rather pointless?

I mean. Where are Yuuki's powers, that were so emphasized when she grew her wings? So, she can fly and erase memories. Wonderful. Will she learn something more before the ending? I wish so, if she wants to make Kaname human.

Where are the missing parts about Kaname's past? Are we truly going not to know who Kuran's queen and ancestress is? As I permanently abandoned the idea of Yuuki being connected with her - unless Hino doesn't want to make her go to the past pregnant after his first time, as all shoujo heroines become - now I want at least to know what's the meaning of the mirror scene, what's happened to make Kaname go into slumber, and what's the meaning of Rido's dream. And if HW was truly the ancestress, I will totally change my mind about the chapter about Kaname's past, 64 - my favourite until now - as Hino could put the effort to draw almost a panel in which they had a family, or to make HW worry about his children before going to die. But nothing. If Hino is not going to give any more explanation about Kaname's past, I'm sorry, but all those chapter suddenly become weak and lossy - a swollen road to nowhere. And this would truly be the final straw towards my love for VK.

(By the way, she keeps trolling: "In the future and in the past, a connection exists for all eternity. *Sgrunt*)

But maybe Hino thinks this is more than enough and that Kaname was simply tired of his eternity - that's why Yuuki, that eyewitnessed his past, wants him to be free. I have to say that this idea is becoming more and more foolish as we see evil purebloods gahering to kill Kaname. Even though I understand her wanting his happiness and freedom from what he hates the most - being a pureblood, a monster. "If you are right with someone like me...".

But what surprised me more, is the lack of sense that Kaname's plan seems to have. I mean. He disappears and pretends to kill Aido-dono to separate himself from Yuuki and Aido. Then he starts to kill some purebloods making a show of his bones. Then he assists to HW's ending. Then he prepares a volcano. We were all waiting for something big. And then what? He can go and act as he pleases, but he has to wait for a stupid ball to have an occasion to talk to Isaya - and they are both super powerful purebloods and such. He also takes the time to watch Zeki kissing. And then, he flies away, but suddenly, he appears at the Academy, stating clearly that he wants to become the parent metal. To Kaien. The person closest to Yuuki we have on earth. And he's suddenly not aware that Yuuki's listening. So careful before, and so distract now. He's not flying away because he's probably shocked about what Yuuki has done and he wants to take the time to spend with her his last few moments. Still, I can't find a sense in all he's done until now. If he wants to become the parent metal, why killing some purebloods before? It's like showing a banner with his intentions to all the vampire world. And what's the meaning of having another furnace when he has the volcano? It can't be only a diversion. And what is he going to do, now that Yuuki knows - well, not everything, but the fact that he wants to die, and the fact that he wants her to become human? He wanted her not to be a hindrance, so he could simply fly away again. But he doesn't. I understand why, but this is foolish. And I really hope that the missing parts we don't know (a lot, as it seems) can give all this some kind of sense. Or I will loose any kind of respect for Hino-sensei.

The secondary characters we had almost forgotten

I was obviously happy to see Aido-dono is alive, even though this was not a surprise. Still, I would have hoped for a more emphasized discovery, possibly first-hand, and not some hasty flashback given by Kaien. We also see Touma coming out of nowhere. Where is he? Still at the Academy? It doesn't seem so. But when did he escape, and how did he recovered all his boldness so fast, when the last time we saw him was under a table? And the blonde woman at the ball seems not to be Aido-dono's wife as I've been thinking before - she truly seems to be some pureblood's wife, maybe Hiou's. Still, another character out of nowhere that has no proper introduction - and that probably must represent alone the whole bunch of purebloods left? We will discover something more in next chapter - if Hino wants to employ some more panels to concentrate on what's happening, of course. *Sigh*

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Miranda wrote:
By the way, it seems too much of a coincidence for Chapter 64 to be called "A Proposition at the End of a Thousand Nights" and for the Chapter 84 to be called as it is with a tagline: "In the future and in the past, a unique connection exists for all eternity".

I noticed the same thing, too. But will we ever have an answer to all these hints?

You all wrote some wonderful posts as usual, but - as usual - I wrote too much, so I'll stop here for now

Miranda wrote:I'm not saying this because I'm against Yume's recent development or a Zeki fan, but I think there is evidence to suggest that Yuuki led Zero on to some extent:

Chapter 74: (after Maria tells Yuuki to give Zero to her because she doesn't need him and has Kaname already)
Zero: Do you want to stop?
Yuuki: I only wanted to take a good look at the person whose blood I'm going to drink....I'm not biting you simply because you asked me to...This is an agreement of mutual interests.

What mutual interests?

I’m surprised that you even ask that O.o … really this was crystal clear in the story and moreover now with the turn of the events shouldn’t be there anymore shadows but I’ll take the time and answer you since you addressed to me…
I’ll use a spoiler cuz it doesn’t concern the thread.

Spoiler:

Back on the current plot…

Juliet wrote:
Kaien's lines are giving me hope

Are you going to shoulder everything on your own again? Kaname-kun, don’t decide on everything on your own, without revealing your intent to anyone anymore. What good will it do to anyone if you are the only one getting your hands dirty little by little? I was just taking my chances, and hoping that Yuuki could stop you.

So what is Kaien really saying here? Able now to see through Kaname's intentions it's like saying to him hat he has no need to take this burden on his own anymore and be cryptical about it. He puts Yuuki by his side, Aido knows that his father is alive, Zero is send to the mansion.

This is what also I wanted to point out… and if I may add some more…

We are seeing Cross from one hand saying Kaname to share his burden thus and he had brought Yuuki there with the hope that she shall restrain him and from the other hand he is continuing the preparations for the sacrifice!
With a first glance, isn’t his words and stance contradictory? I mean if Cross allows Kaname to become the sacrifice; how he can share his burden with other? And secondly, from what Yuuki should restrain him?
Ergo I think that Cross has something else in mind… something that he doesn’t reveal to Kaname hence and he hopes that Yuuki will stop him!
Another detail which reinforces this hunch is his previous dialogue with Yuuki >>

Kaien: No…take your time and wait for him, though I can’t tell you why in here…

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Yuuki: But…I can’t wait on like this without knowing the truth. You already have Zero to take care of, so I must go out after Kaname…
Kaien: No, it’s not like that. Let’s talk more about this. It’s not what you think. Actually, just now…
Some woman: Association president!
Kaien: Come with me please, Yuuki.
Yuuki: Chairman..?

So… I think that Cross was ready to tell Yuuki what he is planning in order to calm her down about Kaname, but Kaname’s arrival prevented him from doing so at that time.

I got the hunch that Kaien is cycling Kaname slowly to create a safety net around him and not to leave him again alone to act as he pleases, hurting himself more in the process. Just my impression but Kaien's words are a prologue of what he is going to do...Kaien is also in the search of a solution, hopefully.

Same here!
A thought that crossed my mind is that Cross is in agreement with Isaya-dono… Isaya might be planning with Cross, to take Kaname’s place for the furnace –since either way he had decided to sacrifice himself to turn Yuuki- but Cross of course wouldn’t reveal that to Kaname. But if so; unfortunately he didn’t have the chance to reveal it to Yuuki either, as he also doesn’t know Yuuki’s plans for Kaname, something that can create much of suspense and cliff-hanger!
Also something like that matches and with his words to Kaname that he should stop bearing the burden of the whole world on his shoulders alone and with the continuation of the preparations…
In addition something else which reinforces the idea of a plan which can save Kaname; is the fact that Hino made the apocalypse about Aido-dono in this moment, emphasising on Kaname’s innocence…

Well at least this is my hope too… a window that can save them all…


@Duskola you have a lot there so I’ll come back after reading it properly ^^

But I'm not going to forgive Hino-sensei so easily for wasting my precious moment IN ONLY TWO HASTY PANELS. Damn it! I want them burning! I want those hunger I've read chapters ago! What's with all this "I will show you"? I will show you what? Let's do it and shut up, you stupid ancestor. Speaking of which, I'd have also sucked a lot of his blood, after all this time. But alas, there was no space left in the chapter, clearly.

Exactly this is not Kaname. This is Kaname http://mangafox.me/manga/vampire_knight/v11/c049/29.htm

And while he is doing everything for her, he is holding back cool as ice…

“let me go Yuuki, it hurts”

Here he is ready to pull out his heart, he has taken all the blows he could (lost hand, arm, holes at his shoulder) and still stood there proud as he could be. So please….

Spoiler:

I mean the intention to hold her back, to limit down emotional responses and triggers, it’s just too obvious. Same thought as Yuuki I guess, not to cling to her. Nevertheless, he gives in to her appetites as he sees that she deals with the fact that she shall lose him in a brave way as he does. But that’s different, if he broke and let her in to his real plans and intentions, perhaps that would mean that he could no longer proceed with his plan. We shall see I see a lot of missing pieces here and I have so many questions and ideas.

Now about his dialogue with Yuuki and his intentions I wrote a long post here https://vampireknight.all-up.com/t1426-kaname-s-intentions-and-why-the-bed-section#36041 (post 14) because there are many things missing here and I think that Yuuki also senses them or has the same questions.

To summarize it, taking into consideration and the previous chapters (to blend in with the plot), I think that Kaname was totally afraid of Yuuki ending up sacrificing herself as HW did. I have no idea why, what it is that gives him all of this certainty but he even tells that to Yuuki that his despair is because he is afraid that she will give up herself for a meaningless cause.

And he can not keep her protected, inside the house, under his wings for eternity (image of bound Yuuki). And this is what I think he means that “my love did not make you smile”, because actually we did not see and any other way of loving her other than having to keep her safe and protected, sheltered inside the house.

He never lived with her the option of letting her free to act as she had wanted to act, with an active role in society. In order to let her free, he had to eliminate the fear for which he wanted her inside the house in the first place. Was it the purebloods and the sacrifice? The sacrifice alone? But it has to do with the sacrifice, because if it didn’t and he just considered himself an obstacle to her potentially happy life with Zero as they say, then why is Yuuki depicted as the HW in the contradiction chapter? What has Yuuki to do with the HW? And why he tells her that he does not want to throw herself into a cause while he is ready to leave her in the first place?

Hino does has set the clues there (IMO) but has not provided a clear answer yet. Yes, kaname does that because he considers that his love would make her unhappy, but we must think what love? Why doesn’t he give it a chance the moment that he knows that she loves him? (as Rido had suggested). Only the fact that Yuuki is connected to the sacrifice can be a solid explanation for all of these:
1. certainty that she shall sacrifice herself on the way
2. means that he thinks from time to time and seem contradictory to each other; to sacrifice himself or to make her human (if he had made her human as he says then for which sacrifice are we talking here?)
3. effort to push her back
4. why in his contradictions his love and reason to protect her finds two solutions; to keep her inside or to set her free? Are we talking about two different selves here or actually about two different solutions to the same problem? Three actually if we add the solution to make her human.

And if Yuuki’s path dictates a sacrifice, that kaname only knows that could also explain why her freedom can not be compatible with Kaname in her life, because he has to act in her position so that she can live. No one else could do this but him.

This would be something that he could never share and would give full meaning to his actions rather than dealing with his self-image here, which I do not believe for a sec.
Another hint is also Yuuki trying to find here a solid explanation sensing that she is the root, the reason for everything that Kaname does, everything that he hides:

Y

ou're lying... If so, you should be taking me to the hide-out house. This isn't it. It should be where we/I was born. You're full of lies. In order to not involve me in the crime... In order to cause my disappointment in you... Everything was for my sake. Until the end, the truth must not be found out by me...
On that snowy mountain 11 years ago, you had started lying the moment I opened my eyes – watching over me so that I wasn't used by those old men. In exchange for my peaceful life, you accepted their (those vampire’s) bait. While hiding your thirst, you wished for my "human life" to stay that way, but your wish wasn't granted. Answer me. Everything… is everything my fault? Why did you stop living together with me?

Of course it does not make any sense here. If he loved her so much how is it possible to combine all the fight that he did to get her back with her decision to leave her? Only a reason out of necessity could justify it all and also answer why Kaname reached extremes and could not afford settling down in with the girl that he loved so much.
And Yuuki’s remark here that

“You're a fool. Just forget about killing purebloods. It'd also be better if you just take away the memories with Zero inside of me...”

it’s another proof just how insufficient Kaname’s intentions are under the simple explanation that he was not sufficient for her or the life that he had to offer her would not make her happy. Here, Yuuki knows this can not be a reason, therefore she asks again and again, unable to shift his decision.

Where are the missing parts about Kaname's past? Are we truly going not to know who Kuran's queen and ancestress is? As I permanently abandoned the idea of Yuuki being connected with her - unless Hino doesn't want to make her go to the past pregnant after his first time, as all shoujo heroines become - now I want at least to know what's the meaning of the mirror scene, what's happened to make Kaname go into slumber, and what's the meaning of Rido's dream. And if HW was truly the ancestress, I will totally change my mind about the chapter about Kaname's past, 64 - my favourite until now - as Hino could put the effort to draw almost a panel in which they had a family, or to make HW worry about his children before going to die. But nothing. If Hino is not going to give any more explanation about Kaname's past, I'm sorry, but all those chapter suddenly become weak and lossy - a swollen road to nowhere. And this would truly be the final straw towards my love for VK.

Yes you are right and it’s quite funny that this chapter as Miranda noticed here:

By the way, it seems too much of a coincidence for Chapter 64 to be called "A Proposition at the End of a Thousand Nights" and for the Chapter 84 to be called as it is with a tagline: "In the future and in the past, a unique connection exists for all eternity".

Shares the same (approximately) title with chapter 64. So what does the past has to do with the current chapter “A night to end a thousand nights?” In chapter 64 we have the HW ‘s sacrifice and we have Yuuki appearing as a premonition. Is the proposition reffering to Yuuki? I guess so because a proposition is

“the term proposition refers to either (a) the "content" or"meaning" of a meaningful declarative sentence or (b) the pattern of symbols, marks, or sounds that make up a meaningful declarative sentence. The meaning of a proposition includes having the quality or property of being either true or false”

So which statement can be true or false, and is also accompanied by symbols? “It’s a premonition” …true or false?

And in this chapter again we have Yuuki here in bed with kaname. And the tagline refers to both past and future. So does that mean that we should expect a deeper connection with the past to be explained here? Isn’t it like Hino is trying to open again the door for the past again? If everything has to do with the present, if everything is Kaname’s free choice to let Yuuki have a happily life with Zero, if Yuuki has nothing to do with the sacrifice, why all the connections here and there? Is Hino trolling?

But what surprised me more, is the lack of sense that Kaname's plan seems to have. I mean. He disappears and pretends to kill Aido-dono to separate himself from Yuuki and Aido. Then he starts to kill some purebloods making a show of his bones. Then he assists to HW's ending. Then he prepares a volcano. If he wants to become the parent metal, why killing some purebloods before? It's like showing a banner with his intentions to all the vampire world. And what's the meaning of having another furnace when he has the volcano? It can't be only a diversion. And what is he going to do, now that Yuuki knows - well, not everything, but the fact that he wants to die, and the fact that he wants her to become human? He wanted her not to be a hindrance, so he could simply fly away again. But he doesn't. I understand why, but this is foolish. And I really hope that the missing parts we don't know (a lot, as it seems) can give all this some kind of sense. Or I will loose any kind of respect for Hino-sensei.

I also do not see reason in all of these. If Hino does not give us a necessity, the whole script shall be on the air.
Kaname’s openness at this stage clearly frightens me; it’s like pinpointing to everyone where it shall be done; hunters, purebloods, friends, enemies, Yuuki, while he has kept his hide-out and the volcano to himself. Why?

I'm having problems with the link, Juliet. All I get is this--

"Sorry, its licensed, and not available."

KuranPrince wrote:I'm having problems with the link, Juliet. All I get is this--

"Sorry, its licensed, and not available."

here it show that its working, can it be the area perhaps?

juliet wrote:

KuranPrince wrote:I'm having problems with the link, Juliet. All I get is this--

"Sorry, its licensed, and not available."

here it show that its working, can it be the area perhaps?

any country who aproved ACTA will not be able to see the links

By the way, she keeps trolling: "In the future and in the past, an unique connection exists for all eternity...

This is probably the best clue we are missing from chapter 89 . The intro pic and the intro statement . Yuuki and Kaname in chains . Touching each other face . A connection for eternity . Forever and ever . Good or bad , their destinies are joined / bond for eternity . Their bond is not of hate , but a love one . Probably tragic love . Just because people got angry or mad with the Yume bed scene appearing out of nowhere . They miss this . ( Which I think wasn't . As this chapter appears to be more planned than before . Ex. : Hino did more detailed pics than previous recent chapters . Including at last returning to draw Yuuki's higthlight effect on her hair . )

People forget Hino has given hints before about Yuuki having some kind of relation to Kaname's past . Not probably to the past that started from the time Yuuki was born . But a more distant past . A time before Kaname's time of despair and choice of slumber for eternity .

The problems are : what is the truth ? Why Kaname has being so stubborn to hide the truth from Yuuki ? What's the true connection between Yuuki"s and Kaname past ? Has Yuuki some influence in the events before Kaname's slumber ?

Maybe the intention of Hino here is to resolve all the problems involved with Yume love to eventually make them success . The dark forest analogy . Where both are inside a dark forest and they need to see the little sunshine to get out and be in the clear again . To be really free to express their love and be happy .

“You're a fool. Just forget about killing purebloods. It'd also be better if you just take away the memories with Zero inside of me...”

A easy reason for Kaname preventing taking Yuuki's memories of Zero is because he already knew she could break the spell and remember later . Creating a worse situation .To make her not forget him ever for what he did . Or even making Yuuki mad and a crazy lady . With poor Kaanme ending not as her lover , but as her brother caretaker . Not exactly a happy end .

But when analyze more in detail , it could have some relation to the same mysterious past Kaname is hiding from Yuuki .

Are you going to shoulder everything on your own again? Kaname-kun, don’t decide on everything on your own, without revealing your intent to anyone anymore. What good will it do to anyone if you are the only one getting your hands dirty little by little? I was just taking my chances, and hoping that Yuuki could stop you.

This could be another hint about a possible end where both Yuuki and Kaname survive . Kaien Cross could be planning someone to substitute Kaname as the sacrifice for the furnace . I presume Isaya is the main suspect for this . But could be a little surprise .

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A posible next twist could be :

There is a complot by some purebloods to avoid Kaname sacrificing himself to create a new furnace . They need a person who can use anti - vampire weapons to kill Kaname before he throws his heart into the furnace . Who is the perfect candidate ? Zero . He hates Kaname . Zero wants Kaname dead . Zero thinks Kaname is the reason his life is a nightmare . He has no memories of Yuuki to stop him from hurting her by the killing .

Zero , again , will be manipulated by the side opposite to Kaname to do their bidding .

A posibility is when Zero points Bloody Rose , Yuuki steps to protect Kaname and she is the one hurt by the bullet . And our twist happen. Zero hurts Yuuki with Bloody Rose . When in reality , he never had the desire to fulfil the promise of kill her .

At least I think Yuuki won't die from the bullet . Probably just a minor cut . But her healing powers would be stop for a while . Making her in risk to be attack by other person .

nina wrote:
I’m surprised that you even ask that O.o … really this was crystal clear in the story and moreover now with the turn of the events shouldn’t be there anymore shadows but I’ll take the time and answer you since you addressed to me… (see rest above as I can't post external links atm)

I see your view and perhaps I did not give the best example out there.
When Hino has Zeki scenes (i.e. Vampire Yuuki), I see some of them as being romantically charged underneath (others may not see this the same way).
The masquerade ball in Chapter 87 illustrates this. I think what Hino is getting at here is that when Zero and Yuuki are not wearing masks, they are in fact masking their true feelings but when they are literally wearing masks, we are given a good opportunity to see what they really feel.

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Yuuki: Yes...it's a weird feeling. Because I'm hiding my identity no one has come to give their greetings I feel at ease but everyone's really nervous.

So what Hino is really using this masquerade for is to let Zero and Yuuki have a brief moment to be themselves, without the burden of their current situations. Otherwise this masquerade, in my opinion, becomes meaningless filler. Would Hino want to waste one of her last chapters on something like this?

Hino has already acknowledged that half of Yuuki's heart belongs to Zero. Zero also had feelings for Yuuki. This has not changed (but Zero's memory has). But both of them are at a standstill because both of them have their reasons why they can't openly lay bare their feelings for the other. This is another reason why I am suggesting that much of the 'romantic drama' that's going on between them is underneath.

But there is a reason why this masquerade scene intentionally mirrors Chapter 17 where Yuuki dances with Kaname on the balcony while Zero watches on. I think it is to show how similar Zero and Kaname are in their feelings for Yuuki. Both are quite willing to give her up to the other for what they think is best for her. One of the main reasons why Kaname is so dismayed that Yuuki stole Zero's feelings is because he knows Zero's feelings for her were the same as his (See Chapter 30 for a direct statement). In fact both Kaname and Zero have problems with expressing themselves which is even more reason to look beneath their words and actions.

nina wrote:Zero “forced” her to take his blood while Yuuki denied it at first saying also “Why can’t we move on without hurting each other… cherish yourself more…”
But in the end she took it because as she says >>

Yuuki: I’m not biting you simply cuz YOU asked me to … It’s like Zero said… this is an agreement of mutual interests

So how an agreement to ensure the safety of the academy interpreted as misleading with romantic context? O.o Moreover when it was Zero who proposed it and Yuuki denied it?

But why would she have to rely on this 'mutual agreement' unless her thirst is not under control? Her thirst comes from the fact that half of her heart belongs to Zero, (the other to Kaname). If this was not the underlying reason, there is always the other route of taking blood tablets to ensure the academy's safety. Hence why I see romantic elements in this scene - because it's demanded by the plot.

nina wrote:Oh my… you’ve got it all wrong! A vampire can only be fully sated from the blood of the loved one NOT that it cannot take some fresh blood from ANYBODY to calm down its thirst a bit! And Zero knows that pretty well thus and offers his blood to Yuuki.
Because fresh blood from anyone is much better from the tabs. Didn’t Ruka offer her blood to Kaname to calm his thirst a bit; even though that she knew that it wasn’t her blood that he was craving for? See; the similarities there?
Didn’t Yuuki see Yori as food?
Didn’t Zero reveal that he takes fresh blood from the Level-es that he hunts?
Don’t tell me that Zero is in love with them?

That was my bad and I should have rephrased it as:

Hino has made it clear that a vampire can only drink the blood of someone that they love in order to completely slake their thirst.

But please don't be so strict with me, I think I did get my meaning across to other people.

nina wrote:I think you have messed it up… so I suggest you to read the story again because such wrong notions have led the fandom in the state that is now…You can also read the old threads that are referring to these chapters… you’ll see that many of us were supporting the same things back then as well.

As I mentioned from the outset, I am not saying these things as a Zeki fan. I am merely suggesting another point of view. I also made sure that I said that Yuuki led Zero on to some extent. I did not explicitly state that she cheated on Zero or anything of similar moral culpability because the whole situation of VK imo is tragic on a different level and both Zero and Kaname are quite worthy candidates. I did not have any intention of specifically promoting either of them but if I did mislead anyone, I am sorry that I did. And I agree, I think I need to revisit past chapters in light of their surfacing connection with the recent chapter(s), but whether my notions are wrong is a matter of opinion.

I will do justice to the other points you, and other people, have made another time. ;)

@Miranda… thank you for your answer and if I sounded to you strict I apologise but this wasn’t my intention.
However I’m not willing to go again through the points that you stressed out for several reasons:

Because I feel so content and justified from the development for what I and many Yumes were supporting for sooo looong, yet synchronously frustrated from the abuse of the story (and I do not mean you), that I might sound to you again strict or harsh - and I do not wish to- since you’re recycling more or less the same Zekish POV, which I have rebutted countless times thus far.
Moreover, when this POV is outdated and has been answered (and crushed if I may add) from the story itself with the latest developments.
A few ambiguous scenes, words, thoughts etc which as you also said had more than one interpretations for some till now, which btw most of them never addressed to Zero thus cannot be considered as misleading, simply after the love-making scene, in a shoujo can have only one answer concerning to whom Yuuki’s heart belong ROMANTICALLY as a WHOLE, in my opinion…
A girl who gives her body to a man, ready to give AND her life literally only for him, has given already to him the whole of her heart and devotion… and these choices and actions cannot be the “product” of a week or of a few months, but a product of years…
The alternative ain’t so flattering neither for the heroine, nor for the author as well…

I know it is difficult for one to revise its established interpretations… but I think is time to move on… at least I'm doing it...

Ps. Duskola has given above many answers to your questions which are reflecting my opinion as well.

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Duskola wrote: And I would have plunged with my nails in his back far harder than Yuuki. I would have also worked him over before having sex - a little SM,

I knew you are “ours” hahahahaha
At least I was expecting a few slaps as Yuuki had promised but nah hahahaha

Back on serious mode…

@Duskola and @Juliet … what can I say more?!
I think you have reached in the core again and what is the most notable for me is that by scratching a little the surface, we are coming down to the same loopholes, hitting on the same walls independently!
So… could we be so wrong; seeing the same “mirages”? Or we are on something?

Seriously. Am I the only one to think that the last few chapters are rather pointless?

Nope… especially when one emphasizes (as you did) on contrasting many of the latest chapters with the interest that Kaname’s past would have… so many useless and repetitive panels when the vast majority of the fandom wondering about who was the mother of the Kurans;… why Kaname was mourning over the shattered mirror;… what Yuuki has to do with all that and if she doesn’t, why Hino made her part of this past; … or how these events of the past have influenced the decisions that Kaname made in the present? And many other questions…

Juliet wrote: So does that mean that we should expect a deeper connection with the past to be explained here? Isn’t it like Hino is trying to open again the door for the past again? If everything has to do with the present, if everything is Kaname’s free choice to let Yuuki have a happily life with Zero, if Yuuki has nothing to do with the sacrifice, why all the connections here and there? Is Hino trolling?

Right… Thus personally and considering the lack of sufficient explanations based on the present or the recent past, I haven’t given up totally the idea that Hino will give some answers… that will shed some light onto Kaname’s past simply because she was the one who raised these expectations.
And if so; then I think that the answers we are seeking, the loopholes that we are detecting in the current plot (which IMO are underlined also through Yuuki’s questions and voids currently) will come from the past.
Hence if that’s the case –moreover if Yuuki has any link, directly or indirectly, with events of the past- then this also can answer why Kaname cannot tell the whole truth even now…
Just a random hypothesis to explain what I mean … if for example the reason which led Kaname to take this path that results to his death is Yuuki’s existence; or if he is sacrificing himself, in a wider aspect, in order to prevent Yuuki’s death for reasons that are rooted in the past and we cannot detect; then he couldn’t reveal them to Yuuki by any mean… could he? As Yuuki cannot reveal to him that she is planning to die in order to save him…

And if Yuuki’s path dictates a sacrifice, that kaname only knows that could also explain why her freedom can not be compatible with Kaname in her life, because he has to act in her position so that she can live. No one else could do this but him.

This would be something that he could never share and would give full meaning to his actions rather than dealing with his self-image here, which I do not believe for a sec.

Exactly! I couldn’t agree more!

The tragic irony in this scenario of course is that what Kaname is trying to prevent (Yuuki’s sacrifice) has come closer than ever since his own sacrifice is the reason that driving Yuuki to her death!

I might be proved wrong but my hunch is that the missing pieces of the puzzle that will solidify the whole plot will come via this scene here and here

Yuuki: My strong and beautiful Kaname… WHY would you want me?
Kaname: “Why”… you ask?

Which also might decipher and Kaname’s nightmare.
Which can also be linked with Kaname’s fear that one day Yuuki might sacrifice herself

Long story short I also think that Kaname (i.e. Hino) owes us the answer to this question >>

Yuuki: Then why did you give up on living with me?

>> and I do not think at all random that Yuuki is pointing this out now, summarising more or less all our questions, indicating perhaps an underlying necessity in Kaname’s path…

And while he is doing everything for her, he is holding back cool as ice…

“let me go Yuuki, it hurts”

Here he is ready to pull out his heart, he has taken all the blows he could (lost hand, arm, holes at his shoulder) and still stood there proud as he could be. So please….

Hahaha… yes but how could we have known how much Yuuki is squeezing him? ^^

Duskola wrote: I've found the scene a bit rushed, considering it's the first time for Yuuki - and the heroine's first time is usually very emphasized in shoujo. I also have to say that I was hoping and dreaming about them being together so much, that the whole scene came out not to be up to my expectations. I've found much more sensual the kissing before Kaname's departing or the "Could you please kill me then?" scene. Here, we have two desperate people wishing to embrace their loved one just before dying. But I just can't feel this. I don't know how to explain myself properly. But I'm not going to forgive Hino-sensei so easily for wasting my precious moment IN ONLY TWO HASTY PANELS. Damn it! I want them burning! I want those hunger I've read chapters ago!

Me too!!! I want my spicy, teasing, pervy, hot in all his coolness Kaname! Gosh how I miss my Kaname!
And yes a bed-scene in such mood would have been majorly EPIC! I dunno who would’ve had survived though, for multiple reasons hahaha

However I’d like to differ on something… the point is that since this union came at this specific heavy time, all these elements are out of question… as it would be out of place to stress out Yuuki’s “first time” garnished with the cliché of a light shoujo…
Hence it comes down to what one would prefer I guess… a “lighter” sex scene for endless fanfirling -which could only be depicted in the very end;- or a desperate but meaningful, multidimensional love-making with endless depth?

Therefore and despite the fact that I’m drooling imagining the first option, I cannot blame Hino… because what I gained over to what I’ve lost, I think is irreplaceable and priceless…
A “rushed”… desperate union... yes… but full of unutterable words… because what is there left to say that the heat of two bodies becoming one, cannot convey to the shattering, bleeding souls?
What words can describe the ocean of emotions and the profound symbolism that a night without dawn conveys?
I dunno but IMO Hino chose to give such depth and heaviness in this union, engraving an indelible mark on Yume love because it was the only way to be measured up to the depths of Yume love… a peerless connection which comes from the past and goes to the future for all eternity… as always say… a love that defies spatiotemporally boundaries…
I’ll stop here cuz I got too emotional…

Ps. I think rayatta has conveyed perfectly what I’m trying unsuccessfully to express here…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRMLw2R2-xA

nina wrote:
An interesting detail though which it might make a difference is that Isaya told to Yuuki what Kaname “requested” from him. This for me was a surprise cuz it doesn’t seem to be the best approach from Isaya’s part… I mean if he indeed was planning to sacrifice himself and turn Yuuki into human I think that he shouldn’t have revealed that to her cuz obviously Yuuki will not accept it. Secondly… could this revelation to have given to Yuuki the idea of turning Kaname into a human as well???
So; why Isaya did it?

Isaya did not tell her but Yuuki guess it by herself

chidcho wrote:

nina wrote:
An interesting detail though which it might make a difference is that Isaya told to Yuuki what Kaname “requested” from him. This for me was a surprise cuz it doesn’t seem to be the best approach from Isaya’s part… I mean if he indeed was planning to sacrifice himself and turn Yuuki into human I think that he shouldn’t have revealed that to her cuz obviously Yuuki will not accept it. Secondly… could this revelation to have given to Yuuki the idea of turning Kaname into a human as well???
So; why Isaya did it?

Isaya did not tell her but Yuuki guess it by herself

You think?
Um… isn’t a very detailed and accurate “guess” to be just a guess? >>

Yuuki: to turn into human…you asked him to do that, didn’t you?
Kaname: Ask whom? And turn whom?
Yuuki: You asked Isaya-san to turn me human.

Is it possible that Yuuki turned so intuitive?
Let alone that I had already the feeling from the previous chapter that she had talked with Isaya when Zero asked her if she isn’t curious about what Kaname discussed with Isaya… thus and she "dodged" his question quickly.

nina wrote:
@Duskola you have a lot there so I'll come back after reading it properly ^^

Sorry... as I write in parts during my free time I usually make some .odt somewhere and when it's time to cut and paste... well... that's the moment when I notice the amount of blabbering ._.

@juliet:

juliet wrote:Exactly this is not Kaname. This is Kaname http://mangafox.me/manga/vampire_knight/v11/c049/29.htm

EXACTLY. That was just among the scenes I was thinking about. But you are right here:

I mean the intention to hold her back, to limit down emotional responses and triggers, it's just too obvious.

What at first startled me, was the contrast between his self-control and his act. I mean: if you want to limit your emotional outlets, why going along with Yuuki's desire? Only because the poor child is horny? Obviously not. And I've never thought that he doesn't feel the same fever as before, or that he's doing it only because she wants. His contradictions are here at their peak: he wants to hold her back, he has to, still he can't ignore her urge - and his. But @nina expresses al this perfectly as usual:

nina wrote:
A "rushed" desperate union... but full of unutterable words because what is there left to say that the heat of two bodies becoming one, cannot convey to the shattering, bleeding souls?
What words can describe the ocean of emotions and the profound symbolism that a night without dawn conveys?

@juliet, I've read the "why the bed section?" topic and I enjoyed very much what you wrote here - alas, I always have to choose and I decided to follow this topic instead, but I want you to know that that post of yours is just amazing.

So, we have here the climax of their doomed love. As Hino-sensei often uses symbolism, it may be exactly as @nina says - that this union is more a symbol than an occasion to satisfy all of us fangirls and the title of this chapter is meaningful enough to make us think this way - plus, as she used all that hotness before, I hope she's setting aside the best for the ending, so................. this may be also a sign we'll have MORE and preferably sheetless!!!

Sometimes I'm overly optimistic, still I can't forget what @juliet said - that their love is simply impossible for now, because it would cause the unhappiness of both. So what? Is there no solution but a most tragic one for them to be bond for eternity? I want to hope that there will be a way out - but *groan* I became pessimistic again. This manga is really increasing my usual schizophrenia

BTW, I'm glad we all agree about the holes in the plot - and how these last few chapters didn't fill them at all, but kept beating around the bush.

I'm also with @juliet when she says:

if Yuuki's path dictates a sacrifice, that kaname only knows that could also explain why her freedom can not be compatible with Kaname in her life, because he has to act in her position so that she can live

This would really explain everything - what is the reason why Kaname is absolutely certain Yuuki is going to sacrifice herself? Does he foresee she wants to make him human? Is this the sacrifice he's talking about? Meaningless because it's done for his sake - and we know how much self-confidence he has... Or does he simply fear Yuuki's going to do "something he has intended to do it himself" - that is, creating the weapons, just as HW did? Maybe this is all, and there's nothing hidden to our eyes. Still, I just can't believe the explanation is so simple. Maybe I'm too discriminating, but - the hints are just too many to be ignored, and IF this is all, then Rido's episode in the first arc loses all its meaning. And that is the beginning of everything - by Kaname's own words here, when he's asked. If everything is based upon the weapons, or upon the past - and then the beginning of everything is HW's death - how can something happened 10000 years later have something to do with it? But that's what he says - that was the beginning. The fact that somebody was craving Yuuki's life and blood. And the beginning of all his plans was seeing the twins. So - have we to think that he's been planning for 10000 years to replace HW, then he fell in love with Yuuki and saw her life in danger, so he had to decide what cause was more important - to sacrifice himself to make her human, or to sacrifice himself for the sake of humanity? And have we to think that, just after being sure she was ready to bloom only for him, he suddenly chose the sake of humanity? Why? Have we to think that Yuuki's safety comes after his guilt for HW, so he has simply to find a replacement - Isaya - to make her human, and that's all? But if it is like this, the contradiction chapter has no meaning at all - plus, this is totally OOC. AND as Yuuki now knows his intentions - to make her human - BUT she says this is not all the truth, this is not everything, there must be more. If his efforts to hide the truth are all waisted now - well, this is the right moment to fly away right down in the furnace. But, no - he doesn't want to run anymore (unsettling statement here - *brrrrr*).

(BTW, I understood Yuuki over-heard the conversation between Kaname and Isaya at the ball, just before he flew away - but it may also be that she talked with Isaya as @nina says, and this is far more mysterious - what did they plan together?)

And there is also a chapter called "The beginning of the beginning" (55). And this is what Yuuki says in that chapter: http://mangafox.me/manga/vampire_knight/v12/c055/33.html

And "Once more from the beginning" is the chapter in which Yuuki says she wants to become his equal http://mangafox.me/manga/vampire_knight/v14/c066/10.html (66). And he hears this and is shocked, and that's the moment in which he apparently decides to leave, giving her that key.

So - what's hidden, what's going to happen to Yuuki, when she becomes his equal?

I don't know. I wish there is more, like you, but I also fear to be disappointed. Let's hope we'll receive our answers soon, as - just how many chapters are left? And how many pages did she waste for Zeki troll-kiss/masquerade ball/Yuuki's nostalgia delirium? I really hope we will have soon such a big surprise we'll fall from our seats - or I'm really going to burn all my volumes in my stove