Who is best for Yuuki? Kaname or Zero?

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Who best fits Yuuki? Who is made for her? Zero Or Kaname? And why?



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I know both are but what about what Yuuki needs?

but I just find it somewhat irritating that since everyone here prefers Yume, every time I say something about how I like Zero and Yuuki and someone disagrees with me, they put a minus on my reputation.

lol. and you even made yourself sound like yume fans are bullying you here. lol just because you expressed your "like" you get negative rep? is this the "unfairness" in the treatment"? so you went to the conclusion zekis are not welcomed here?

then what's this you included in your "like about zero and yuki" your "analysis" on YUME?

But in all honesty, Kaname is SO good to her, it's almost insane. Well, it is insane.

it is bashing, amidst your not-so-innocent expression of "like". And clearly would offend YUME fans. Fans like me won't like what you said. Therefore, if I can vote, I'll give you a negative rep, it means "I don't like your post".

I don't recall others were given the decision to decide who not to vote +/-. If a person doesn't like your post, it will have negative rep, and so on.

Being given that simply translates to "I don't like your post" . It's elementary common sense.

*just a thought. this reasons for being given a negative rep is hilarious, and even bridges along with the thought that "ZEKI fans are not welcomed here" or a more hilarious one "Zekis are being treated unfair" after everything, the zeki fan having managed to register here, was given a warm welcome from yumes and zekis , can post anywhere she likes (and even make a topic she likes), and can say anything she likes including bashing. And right after saying zeki fan says they have no right, there's a followup bash. why is this too similar, i will never understand.

nina wrote:

win-chan wrote: Is it just me, or is this forum extremely Kaname and Yume biased? Not that I have a problem with that, but I just find it somewhat irritating that since everyone here prefers Yume, every time I say something about how I like Zero and Yuuki and someone disagrees with me, they put a minus on my reputation. I don't care what my reputation is, but I think it's extremely unfair to rank people lower because they have a different opinion than you. Just sayin'.

Are you sure it’s every time you’re talking about Zeki you’re receiving a –rep or every time you’re badmouthing Kaname/Yume indirectly or directly??
Your first thread here was about Kaname being the main antagonist/evil in VK …
So don’t play the innocent victim here cuz are lots of Zekis fans who expressing their preference freely and never got a –rep simply cuz they don’t try to irritate the other fandom … You are free to love Zeki but not free to badmouth/bash Kaname or Yume … there is a big difference and if you can’t understand that you’ll probably continue to receive –rep …

aya-chan wrote:Into a forum you can met a lot of yume or a lot of zeki. if you don't like this forum has a lot of yumes, then you have the freedom to stop visiting this forum, no one force you to be here. and instead you can join to a zeki forum *i am sure you will like that place*
And since you don't care about reps points, then why are you mentioning about this? an irrelevant thing should remain irrelevant

Totally agree ...

win-chan wrote:] In any case, I prefer Zero for Yuuki, because I think he really needs her

So cuz Zero needs a crutch he should have Yuuki … On the other hand Yuuki’s feelings have no meaning?! She should forced herself to love Zero simply cuz he needs her more! Haha that’s not love but sympathy/mercy …

and I think she really would like to be with someone like him.

Oh really?? Probably we’re reading a different manga cuz as far as I know in the real VK Yuuki has expressed her romantic feelings (for 73 chapters now) for Kaname and her friendly/brotherly feelings for Zero! So how you conclude that she really would like to be with Zero it’s a mystery to me!

All you above have said that it's just a part of maturing, and maybe that's true, but you have to mature at your own pace. You can't try too hard. Well, you can, but it's not necessarily the most healthy thing in the world. I just think that she tries to hard to be his equal.

And who forced Yuuki to mature? Are you implying that Kaname forced her???
It’s Yuuki herself who tries to mature and be stronger and this is something that started even from the 1st arc when it had nothing to do with Kaname.
Furthermore you’re mixing the equality with maturing as a personality, as many Zekis conveniently doing in order to show some flaws in Yume relationship >>>

Yuuki: “Equals huh? For ten years I’ve never thought we could be equal. I could only admire him from afar. I kept telling myself that was enough.”
http://www.mangareader.net/104-58423-12/vampire-knight/chapter-66.html

>>> So in what Yuuki is referring about equality? Isn’t obvious that she is referring on their different nature? For ten years she thought that she was a human and he a PB vampire hence and nothing could ever happened between them. Now she is a PB herself but she had so many problems to adjust into her true nature … Therefore when she said that she should be his equal she meant that she has to be/act like a PB … that she had to leave behind the human Yuuki and fully accept/embrace her true nature. >>>

Yuuki: “ Then suddenly I was told that everything I truly wanted was always mine from the start. I can’t just forget that distance stained into my mind. And then so many things happened … What are you saying? You want what? If you want you can eat all of him. Isn’t that what you want?”
http://www.mangareader.net/104-58423-13/vampire-knight/chapter-66.html

Again the conflict between the human Yuuki with her true nature as a vampire!>>>

Yuuki: “If you don’t devour what you desire you’ll be driven insane. I’m still so far I can’t even think we are equal. But the VAMPIRE INSIDE of me doesn’t care … this desire is so pure it can be hidden.”
http://www.mangareader.net/104-58423-14/vampire-knight/chapter-66.html

So from where is originated the interpretation that Yuuki should be more mature/grown up or whateva, to be equal to Kaname? Kaname had said that he would never force her for anything … he would give her all the time she needs except from not to use her fangs cuz that was essential for her … she was a vampire and not a human anymore!

If I didn't think she was trying too hard to be someone else, I would totally say he's better for her.

Someone else??? Haha … the actual story says exactly the opposite … she is trying to be her self … her TRUE self … to be the PB she is! So the unhealthy thing was what she was doing the past year >> her denial to use her fangs to feed herself properly and to tame her desire for Kaname’s blood! In short her denial of her TRUE self! That was the wrong/unhealthy thing and not her efforts to adjust into her true nature … aka to be Kaname’s equal lol.

My main thought is that she's just trying to hard to be equal with him and she just needs to relax, and she can relax with cutie-pie Zero.

Your main thought is wrong as I proved above but even if your thought was right the fact that she was trying so hard shows how much she wanted to be with Kaname! But as again the story says she get passed that problem already>>>

Yuuki: “ Finally I faced him as an equal and now we can start again from here”
http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/67/3

She accepted her nature and what we saw in the next chapters showing that. >>> “I want a bit of blood in order to do my job as Kuran’s PB.

So don’t worry so much about Yume relationship …

agreed.

*Madutza* wrote:I think that the best person for Yuki is Zero... I have a feeling that Kaname isn't in fact the perfect boy which everyone thinks he is. I think that he intend to sacrifice Yuki and to bring back to life the woman that he had loved long time ago... Maby is just in my imagination, but that why he close so much to her... About Zero, he always was so distant and cold, but he really love yuki...

You have right, it's only your imagination.
first of all, to ressurect someone, that someone need a physical body, which the hooded lady doesn't have since she turned in dust.

Second, kaname is in love with yuuki, he won't sacrifice her to ressurect someone he had a bit of attachement.

Third, if he want to sacrifice yuuki, then why did he left her and not sacrifice her from the beginning. or do you think he plan to built the perfect world for hooded lady and then do the sacrifice

@nina:

Who is best for Yuki... I'm a simple-minded person, i like simple answers. The most suited pair for a PB princess, is a PB prince. Her pairing with Zero, has many obstacles. First of all, her feelings for Kaname. She is, his fiance, with her own free will. Then, it's Zero himself. He hasn't convince me yet, that he has overcome his hate for PB, to the point he can mate her. Zero and Yuki together, surpasses his character, as we know him so far....

Nina, from what you're saying I take it you'll respect my comment as long as I'm not doing any badmouthing, right? Then I should be safe to say this.

See … I’ve never said that Yuuki doesn’t love Zero. Ofc she does. She loves him as her best friend as her brother and this is exactly what Kaname says >>> "A Yuuki without a heart full of COMPASSION wouldn't be the real you.”

He recognized and respected her special bond with Zero even if he knew that Zero was in love with her. BUT he says >>> a heart full of compassion not eros haha …
Either way the story has progressed and the development supports more my POV. Just only a few more recent examples >>>

What Kaname says in the official Shoujo Beat volume is: "It's all right... I don't mind if there is someone else inside your heart. You are who you are because you have a big heart ... yet you told me you want to stay by my side. You'll suffer over it... because you have love inside your heart for me too..."

Now take that sentence as you will, I'm not going into a debate about who's interpretion is right.

4. "At that moment I bit into Zero's neck with my fangs, all of a sudden my head cooled down. I had just used my fangs to bite a person whom I had never intended to wish for his blood."
not mine.

Uhm, girl. I think you're mixing "intention" with "desire". Here's the definitions:

Intention: "the determination to act in a certain way". Meaning if Yuuki had had an intention to bite Zero, she would have been determined to do so despite having promised Kaname of never doing it. But she did, and that's why it was "never intended".

Desire: "To wish or long for; want". To which is stated by Yuuki in 74: "I want Zero's blood."


That okay by you?

Howl4fun wrote:To which is stated by Yuuki in 74: "I want Zero's blood."

Howl4fun... are you sure you're reading the same manga? I don't believe Yuuki have ever said that she wants Zero's blood. Just because she had to drink the hunter's blood doesn't mean that she want it badly.

The good news that she had drunken a portion of Zero's blood and now continues her duty and then find her fiance.

@Howl I was using the translation that AriannaNorelle had provide and she is also a Zeki … Why don’t you “correct” her as well? Haha never mind …

Either way the translation you posted doesn’t change much the context … Zero is in her heart … nothing new there! But I highly doubt that Kaname was meaning that she loves in a romantic way TWO guys synchronously … he says that she has a big heart not that she is a two timing girl lol.
But I’ll give the same answer … the story has progressed since that chapter … the ambiguity has started to clear up … I guess the ambiguity from the past suits you better though …

Now take that sentence as you will, I'm not going into a debate about who's interpretion is right.

If you don’t have any intention to debate about the different interpretations then why are you posting and moreover why are you requesting for MY respond in particular? Your act says different from your words you know …

Anyway you know pretty well my POV … we have debate many times in the past over the same issue. I respect, not accept, your opinion that there is romance in Zeki, respect mine that there is not …
I can’t understand your interference … especially since you are asking ONLY my opinion … OR can I?
As you can see there are a few posters who agreed with my post … Don’t you want other opinions as well? Is so important my POV for you? I feel honoured Howl …
Also I guess is a coincidence that you’ve made your appearance today after your expressed wish to abstain from the forums??? Again I feel so honoured …

Uhm, girl. I think you're mixing "intention" with "desire". Here's the definitions:

Intention: "the determination to act in a certain way". Meaning if Yuuki had had an intention to bite Zero, she would have been determined to do so despite having promised Kaname of never doing it. But she did, and that's why it was "never intended".

Desire: "To wish or long for; want". To which is stated by Yuuki in 74: "I want Zero's blood."


That okay by you?

Uhm girl and you have cut off the phrase … I know pretty well the definition of the two words … I think you can understand the difference to give the definition of one word from the translation/meaning of a phrase which contains that word …

Ofc isn’t ok … the sentence “I had just used my fangs to bite a person whom I had never intended to wish for his blood” clarifies a few misinterpretations …

1. That she NEVER intended to wish for his blood >>> meaning that neither in the past she wished for his blood (~> one chunk of my heart blah blah blah …). If she had used only the term “intention” then yes that would mean that she had no intention to bite him according to her decision not to take blood from any other than Kaname. But you see the phrase “never intended to wish” takes a whole different meaning … How she had no intention to wish his blood if she knew that she already wished for his blood in the past???

2. She desired/wished for blood … she was hungry as a vampire. The scene with Yori speaks loud and clear that she wished for blood! Except if you think that Hino made that scene cuz she wanted to fill some panels and is totally irrelevant with Yuuki’s hunger …
Zero offered his blood and she said >>> please help me ( what a GRANDE confession starting with “Please help me lol) … and that she will be ok with just a little bit of Zero’s blood in order to be able to work well as PB Kuran. <<< This is showing that she used Zero’s blood as a stepping stone to do her job efficiently as A PB KURAN! Ofc with Zero’s acceptance, hence the mutual agreement …
Furthermore your interpretation that Yuuki’s wording was similar to a romantic confession I suppose, contradicts with Zero’s wording >>> I would be troubled if wasn’t like that … Is Yuuki confessing to him her suppressed feelings, which are translated to “I want Zero’s blood” and he answered like that??? Tsk … Really she must be devastated from his cold rejection … or is he so slow that he didn’t understand her confession??? O.o

Yuuki agreed that she needs a bit of blood in order to pull herself together and be able to do her job and this is exactly what Zero wanted … they’ve made a mutual agreement and Yuuki has repeated that after her bite as well >>>

Yuuki: “According to the terms of the agreement not responding to Zero’s actions isn’t allowed”




http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/74/12




http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/74/13

I’ve deliberately put the two parts of that sentence in red rectangles to clarify that Yuuki is referring to the agreement she made with Zero and not to her promise to Kaname. Hino has used the same method … she put the sentence in two squares. So there should be no doubt in which agreement Yuuki was referring to.
Well the translation isn’t so good but the gist is that she thinks that after she drank his blood she must keep her part of the deal aka to do her job in order Zero not to be troubled …

Sorry but the scene as a whole doesn’t help me to see any romance there … I suppose you can respect my different interpretation and agree to disagree …

@ Sweetsolace WB, Aya-chan I agree with your posts above!

@ Ariel dear I’ve missed your simples but crystal clear answers

All this fighting over two pairings that are tied into a love triangle? 0_0 I guess, it's kind of an occupational hazard of the said love triangle, huh?

But since this forum does ask which I prefer, I'm gonna go with Zero/Yuuki. Why? Because they seem more fleshed out and attractive in terms of connection/history/interactions/passion/etc.

Just a sincere fyi for anyone who wants to tell Yume shippers that Kaname isn't the best for Yuuki because he spoils her or treats her far too well:

Is it wrong for Kaname to want the absolute best for Yuuki in every possible way? Is it wrong of him to be protective of her?

In my opinion, I think those of you who think that yes it is simply for an excuse to promote Zeki are not examining both sides of the love triangle to their fullest extent.

Zero wants the exact same things Kaname wants: Yuuki's safety and happiness.
The only differences between them are really and truthfully their way of expressing their desires. Zero is a bit more gruff and guarded than Kaname with Yuuki, who is generally more lovey-cuddely with her, but Zero does this for a reason. It's part of his character as much as the lovey side of Kaname is a part of his character. I don't think that Zero has really had an opportunity to have a completely soft sided moment with Yuuki yet because their encounters have always arisen from tension in the plot. I think it's coming, but it's slow in the making.

My point: To make assumptions about who is really BETTER for clumsy, ignorant, fledgling, (and I could go on ) Yuuki would be like trying to find a rock in a hard place. I don't think there really is an answer at this point. My only real hope is that all our protagonists get out alive and happy.

Just wanted to put that out there and maybe incite some thought ^^
Not bashing Zeki; just want people to THINK instead of making one-sided assumptions, although it's completely okay to have your own opinion.

rayatta wrote:Just a sincere fyi for anyone who wants to tell Yume shippers that Kaname isn't the best for Yuuki because he spoils her or treats her far too well:

Is it wrong for Kaname to want the absolute best for Yuuki in every possible way? Is it wrong of him to be protective of her?

In my opinion, I think those of you who think that yes it is simply for an excuse to promote Zeki are not examining both sides of the love triangle to their fullest extent.

Zero wants the exact same things Kaname wants: Yuuki's safety and happiness.
The only differences between them are really and truthfully their way of expressing their desires. Zero is a bit more gruff and guarded than Kaname with Yuuki, who is generally more lovey-cuddely with her, but Zero does this for a reason. It's part of his character as much as the lovey side of Kaname is a part of his character. I don't think that Zero has really had an opportunity to have a completely soft sided moment with Yuuki yet because their encounters have always arisen from tension in the plot. I think it's coming, but it's slow in the making.

My point: To make assumptions about who is really BETTER for clumsy, ignorant, fledgling, (and I could go on ) Yuuki would be like trying to find a rock in a hard place. I don't think there really is an answer at this point. My only real hope is that all our protagonists get out alive and happy.

Just wanted to put that out there and maybe incite some thought ^^
Not bashing Zeki; just want people to THINK instead of making one-sided assumptions, although it's completely okay to have your own opinion.

I totally agree with you! Yuuki is cute and good-willing but she is also childish, stubborn and not aware of real life. She needs someone who really understand her weakness and accept her in spite of that. Sincerly, she should be with someone who can take responsibility of her. We know already that Kaname is not going to prison her or not allow her to act freely. He is to wise to doing it. Even if Kaame's behaviour can be sometimes wrong, a truth is no one is perfect. Yuuki can be more happy with Kaname if he is a right person for happy, than with Zero, even if he have been the best men in the world.

rayatta wrote:Just a sincere fyi for anyone who wants to tell Yume shippers that Kaname isn't the best for Yuuki because he spoils her or treats her far too well:

Is it wrong for Kaname to want the absolute best for Yuuki in every possible way? Is it wrong of him to be protective of her?

In my opinion, I think those of you who think that yes it is simply for an excuse to promote Zeki are not examining both sides of the love triangle to their fullest extent.

Zero wants the exact same things Kaname wants: Yuuki's safety and happiness.
The only differences between them are really and truthfully their way of expressing their desires. Zero is a bit more gruff and guarded than Kaname with Yuuki, who is generally more lovey-cuddely with her, but Zero does this for a reason. It's part of his character as much as the lovey side of Kaname is a part of his character. I don't think that Zero has really had an opportunity to have a completely soft sided moment with Yuuki yet because their encounters have always arisen from tension in the plot. I think it's coming, but it's slow in the making.

ta-ta. and there you have it. LOL then it looks like all this Kaname bashing and Kaname lies are just promotional ads for Zero/Yuki... well what can I say?

the biggest mystery/ fluke: why do most Zero fans who bash Kaname can't see that treating Yuki that way is part of his characteR? (As much as Zero's rudeness is part of his character) it seems..pretty hypocritical, to be judgmental over a character, such as calling him a killer when Zero is also a killer no less. how amusing. Though I do recall someone said it has to do with the total maturity of some fans, hm maybe its true

and of course I agree with you.

@Howl I was using the translation that AriannaNorelle had provide and she is also a Zeki … Why don’t you “correct” her as well? Haha never mind …

Lol, well I suppose you were both using the online translations, no? Most do.

Either way the translation you posted doesn’t change much the context … Zero is in her heart … nothing new there! But I highly doubt that Kaname was meaning that she loves in a romantic way TWO guys synchronously … he says that she has a big heart not that she is a two timing girl lol.
But I’ll give the same answer … the story has progressed since that chapter … the ambiguity has started to clear up … I guess the ambiguity from the past suits you better though …

We clearly have different views on this scene, but I know we'll never agree about it so not going into that one.

If you don’t have any intention to debate about the different interpretations then why are you posting and moreover why are you requesting for MY respond in particular? Your act says different from your words you know …

You really feel that way? Well, okay. You'll be happy to see my comment further down about the next accurate translation I'll post then.

Anyway you know pretty well my POV … we have debate many times in the past over the same issue. I respect, not accept, your opinion that there is romance in Zeki, respect mine that there is not …
I can’t understand your interference … especially since you are asking ONLY my opinion … OR can I?
As you can see there are a few posters who agreed with my post … Don’t you want other opinions as well? Is so important my POV for you? I feel honoured Howl …

Oh I respect yours. That doesn't mean I can't debate can I? O.o Where did I say I want "only" your opinion and that I'm not interested in others? O.o Don't put words in my mouth.

Also I guess is a coincidence that you’ve made your appearance today after your expressed wish to abstain from the forums??? Again I feel so honoured …

Actually I said I would take a break. That's different. xD

Ofc isn’t ok … the sentence “I had just used my fangs to bite a person whom I had never intended to wish for his blood” clarifies a few misinterpretations …

In a more proper translation, what Yuuki says is "My fangs extended for a person who I'd definitely had no intention of asking for blood."

If she had used only the term “intention” then yes that would mean that she had no intention to bite him according to her decision not to take blood from any other than Kaname.

There, you said it yourself. Moving on.

2. She desired/wished for blood … she was hungry as a vampire. The scene with Yori speaks loud and clear that she wished for blood! Except if you think that Hino made that scene cuz she wanted to fill some panels and is totally irrelevant with Yuuki’s hunger …

Cause we're never told that human blood is delicious to vampires, no. And I recall Sara saying that Yori looked tasteful too. xD Kaname even, when he was young got a human offered to him to which he had to take tablets beforehand, or else he would have "devoured the human entirely". But Yuuki wanting to bite a human apparently means that she's gone crazy. O.o Or that both Yori and Zero are "beloved" people, to which the official translation also words differently. Kaname doesn't say "beloved" which indeed can be ambigious. He says "the one you love". Yuuki doesn't say "a chunk of my heart attached to a link I can't cut" but "a part of my heart is tied to someone else". etc. other differences ensues.

About 73, of course Yuuki was hungry, we're not saying she was perfectly fine and suddenly got hungry when Zero offered his blood. Your most common belief however was that she was biting him because she was crazy with hunger. Yet she was calm enough to pull back and have a conversation with him first. She looked fine to me.

Zero offered his blood and she said >>> please help me ( what a GRANDE confession starting with “Please help me lol) … and that she will be ok with just a little bit of Zero’s blood in order to be able to work well as PB Kuran. <<< This is showing that she used Zero’s blood as a stepping stone to do her job efficiently as A PB KURAN! Ofc with Zero’s acceptance, hence the mutual agreement …

You're right, they both agreed to that it was just a "business" deal, and would thus treat it as such.

Yuuki: "That... I'm biting you is riding on your invitation, isn't it Zero? As you said, this is for our coinciding interests.... no... cooperate with me... right now, I want your blood Zero. I... I've been prolonging my thirst this whole time... "

(For you too, KuranPrince, who asked when Yuuki said it)

Yuuki also knew she would have to be considerate of Zero who has a trauma with being bitten, hence the "I'll only take a little". For her to have start biting/devouring him like mad would have been cruel to him, no? In short, she had to hold back.

Yuuki: "It's a transaction just as promised. From now on, I... I must respond to Zero's actions."

Furthermore your interpretation that Yuuki’s wording was similar to a romantic confession I suppose, contradicts with Zero’s wording >>> I would be troubled if wasn’t like that … Is Yuuki confessing to him her suppressed feelings, which are translated to “I want Zero’s blood” and he answered like that??? Tsk … Really she must be devastated from his cold rejection … or is he so slow that he didn’t understand her confession??? O.o

Lol, sorry but no XD Again, IMO (to be respectful here), they both held back and had to treat it as a business deal(not counting some details here and there...). What's worse is, Zero even says "I longer feel anything about you." Ouch...

Sorry but the scene as a whole doesn’t help me to see any romance there … I suppose you can respect my different interpretation and agree to disagree …

That's alright. I'm not trying to change your opinion, I only wanted to clarfiy some sentences and give my POV. Give respect and get it back. like you said. Peace.

ta-ta. and there you have it. LOL then it looks like all this Kaname bashing and Kaname lies are just promotional ads for Zero/Yuki... well what can I say?

the biggest mystery/ fluke: why do most Zero fans who bash Kaname can't see that treating Yuki that way is part of his characteR? (As much as Zero's rudeness is part of his character) it seems..pretty hypocritical, to be judgmental over a character, such as calling him a killer when Zero is also a killer no less. how amusing. Though I do recall someone said it has to do with the total maturity of some fans, hm maybe its true

Well, I'll give you credit for not saying "zero fans" in general. xD

We all know the myth of "zekis hate Kaname and yumes hate Zero". to which I've seen been proven wrong time and time again on both sides. The haters however will always be heard more loudly than the non-haters, which is where the generalization is born from. For instance, I wonder how many people here know that I like Kaname? I'm against some of the things he does, but still like the guy. Especially for how he was in the past with Yuuki and even further back with the hooded woman. It's recently however, than I'm more neutral to him. My guess for his ending is that he will turn out a tragic hero. I've no doubt that he has a great purpose is mind. The question is if it'll turn out to be justified. That's what we'll probably won't agree on for now.

Sweet, you're still welcome to respond to the posts you never got to on mf you know? marymars? Since we both got ourselves kicked out (lol we always make such havoc) XD I have missed you. XD

Howl4fun wrote:Uhm, girl. I think you're mixing "intention" with "desire". Here's the definitions:

Intention: "the determination to act in a certain way". Meaning if Yuuki had had an intention to bite Zero, she would have been determined to do so despite having promised Kaname of never doing it. But she did, and that's why it was "never intended".

Desire: "To wish or long for; want". To which is stated by Yuuki in 74: "I want Zero's blood."

To wish, not always have a romantic conotation. If yuuki desired zero's blood romanticly, then why she took just a bit. She was hungry and if she was lustful for zero's blood romanticly, then it have been normal for her to have thoughts as I can't have enough of him, which she didn't have.

Since you forgot "never", I searched in dictionary

Never
1: not ever; at no time in the past or future; "I have never been to China"; "I shall never forget this day"; "had never seen a circus"; "never on Sunday"; "I will never marry you!" [syn: ne'er] [ant: always]
2: not at all; certainly not; not in any circumstances; "never fear"; "bringing up children is never easy"; "that will never do"; "what is morally wrong can never be politically right"

Even if you like it or not or you forgot on purpose, the word "never" exist and it was put there by hino, not by fans.

I agree with nina, when she said this:

1. That she NEVER intended to wish for his blood >>> meaning that neither in the past she wished for his blood (~> one chunk of my heart blah blah blah …). If she had used only the term “intention” then yes that would mean that she had no intention to bite him according to her decision not to take blood from any other than Kaname. But you see the phrase “never intended to wish” takes a whole different meaning … How she had no intention to wish his blood if she knew that she already wished for his blood in the past???

2. She desired/wished for blood … she was hungry as a vampire. The scene with Yori speaks loud and clear that she wished for blood! Except if you think that Hino made that scene cuz she wanted to fill some panels and is totally irrelevant with Yuuki’s hunger …
Zero offered his blood and she said >>> please help me ( what a GRANDE confession starting with “Please help me lol) … and that she will be ok with just a little bit of Zero’s blood in order to be able to work well as PB Kuran. <<< This is showing that she used Zero’s blood as a stepping stone to do her job efficiently as A PB KURAN! Ofc with Zero’s acceptance, hence the mutual agreement …

In a more proper translation, what Yuuki says is "My fangs extended for a person who I'd definitely had no intention of asking for blood."

Actually, the proper translation is I had just used my fangs to bite a person whom I had never intended to wish for his blood.
That part with extended fangs comes from the chinese version. *I have a very good source*

rayatta wrote:Just a sincere fyi for anyone who wants to tell Yume shippers that Kaname isn't the best for Yuuki because he spoils her or treats her far too well:

Is it wrong for Kaname to want the absolute best for Yuuki in every possible way? Is it wrong of him to be protective of her?

In my opinion, I think those of you who think that yes it is simply for an excuse to promote Zeki are not examining both sides of the love triangle to their fullest extent.

Zero wants the exact same things Kaname wants: Yuuki's safety and happiness.
The only differences between them are really and truthfully their way of expressing their desires. Zero is a bit more gruff and guarded than Kaname with Yuuki, who is generally more lovey-cuddely with her, but Zero does this for a reason. It's part of his character as much as the lovey side of Kaname is a part of his character. I don't think that Zero has really had an opportunity to have a completely soft sided moment with Yuuki yet because their encounters have always arisen from tension in the plot. I think it's coming, but it's slow in the making.

My point: To make assumptions about who is really BETTER for clumsy, ignorant, fledgling, (and I could go on ) Yuuki would be like trying to find a rock in a hard place. I don't think there really is an answer at this point. My only real hope is that all our protagonists get out alive and happy.

Just wanted to put that out there and maybe incite some thought ^^
Not bashing Zeki; just want people to THINK instead of making one-sided assumptions, although it's completely okay to have your own opinion.

Aya, for you first point; see my previous post.

Actually, the proper translation is I had just used my fangs to bite a person whom I had never intended to wish for his blood.
That part with extended fangs comes from the chinese version. *I have a very good source*

My source comes from the japanese version.;) It's by the same team who scanlates ieatmanga's versions of the recent chapters. If you don't believe me, compare them yourselves.

Ieatmanga: chap 69 -- http://reader.ieatsoul.com/en/read/vampire-knight/509/69/2/
chap 72 -- http://reader.ieatsoul.com/en/read/vampire-knight/560/72/1/
chap 73 -- http://reader.ieatsoul.com/en/read/vampire-knight/573/73/1/

Mangareader: chap 69 -- http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/69/2
chap 72 -- http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/72
chap 73 -- http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/73/2

The online version of chap 74 now is translated from the chinese version, which is why it got some errors. Ieatmanga's version of the chapter isn't out yet. They've been busy with some RL issues. One of the scanlators offered me the translation however. If you want I can send it to you (if the scanlators will allow me).

Howl4fun wrote: You really feel that way? Well, okay.

Haha no … you felt that way >>>

Howl4fun wrote: Now take that sentence as you will, I'm not going into a debate about who's interpretion is right.

You said that you don’t want to debate, not me …

Howl4fun wrote: That doesn't mean I can't debate can I?

If you wish you’re a free to debate … I’ve never said that you can’t >>>

Howl4fun wrote: I'm not going into a debate about who's interpretion is right.

You’ve contradicted yourself …

Howl4fun wrote: And why're you commenting so much on me writing here, "interfering" etc. this is a forum, it's what it's for.

nina wrote: Anyway you know pretty well my POV … we have debate many times in the past over the same issue. I respect, not accept, your opinion that there is romance in Zeki, respect mine that there is not …
I can’t understand your interference … especially since you are asking ONLY my opinion … OR can I?
As you can see there are a few posters who agreed with my post … Don’t you want other opinions as well? Is so important my POV for you? I feel honoured Howl …

Where exactly have you seen in this ^^^^ passage from my previous post that you also quoted (or in my post as a whole) that I’ve said “ Why are you writing HERE”???? O.O
So who puts words into the other mouth is obvious …

Howl4fun wrote: O.o I've seen you jump into discussion before too, so I should be allowed to do the same. O.o Again it's a forum, everyone's entitled to post. I never said I don't want other people's opinion either, so don't put words in my mouth.

Again … Did anyone tell you that you can’t post here??? Tell me who did to scold him …
Haha Howl really … I vividly remember though that it was YOU the one who said that you don’t like to post here and that you preferred other places … I see you’ve changed your mind again … XD. I suppose you like it here NOW …

My only wonder was why you asked specifically for MY answer. You quoted my post and you started your previous post addressing to ME.
I’ve never said you said that you don’t want other opinions … I was asking you >>>

nina wrote: As you can see there are a few posters who agreed with my post … Don’t you want other opinions as well? Is so important my POV for you?

If there is no specific reason it’s ok …

Holw4fun wrote: Actually I said I would take a "break". That's different.

A break … a break. We don’t have to argue about the word. Even so my previous observation still stands … You’ve broken your break coincidently to respond and to request my opinion … Again that’s an honour …

Anyway I think you got my point … so let’s go back on VK …

Howl4fun wrote: In a more proper translation, what Yuuki says is "My fangs extended for a person who I'd definitely had no intention of asking for blood."

Umm you know to read Japanese Howl? If not how you know that this portion you posted is a more proper translation???

Sorry but your translation seems at least weird >>> “My fangs extended”????
How many times have you seen that phrase??? Except if Yuuki has that SPECIAL POWER as a PB and her fangs can extend and after the bite go inside again … nah

I’ll keep “my” translation cuz is from a very reliable source and moreover makes more sense than yours >>> “My fangs extended” O.o

Howl4fun wrote:

nina wrote: If she had used only the term “intention” then yes that would mean that she had no intention to bite him according to her decision not to take blood from any other than Kaname.

There, you said it yourself.

Oh gladly I see that you agree with my POV >> since Yuuki did NOT use ONLY the term “intention” but she said “I had NEVER intended to wish” … in other words she NEVER wished for his blood in the past … but now that she’s hungry for blood she wishes his blood as a source of food!

Great, finally we have an agreement XD

Howl4fun wrote: About 73, of course Yuuki was hungry, we're not saying she was perfectly fine and suddenly got hungry when Zero offered his blood.

If you agree she was hungry then what’s the meaning for all the examples you brought about Sara, Kaname etc?

Your phrase above says it all … she was hungry and as a vampire wished for blood.

Howl4fun wrote: Yuuki also knew she would have to be considerate of Zero who has a trauma with being bitten, hence the "I'll only take a little". For her to have start biting/devouring him like mad would have been cruel to him, no? In short, she had to hold back.

Oh … I recall that it was YOU and some other Zeki who were cheering when Yuuki jumped on Zero’s throat though … On the other hand I had said that if she goes through with that bite in an “aggressive” way she’ll hurt Zero due to his trauma. I’m glad that now you adopted my POV … XD

But the fact that she stopped and talk to him doesn’t show that she wasn’t extremely hungry … She controlled herself with Yori too, despite the fact that she was shocked from her thought >>>
http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/73/7
>>“Damn it … what am I thinking now”

So IF she was “crazy” she couldn’t stop her self and she would have bit Yori as well. You see Zero’s and Yori’s case has many similarities …

And I’m asking … was it the first time that Yuuki saw and hugged Yori as a vampire? NO … she embraced her back at the ball.
Did she thought that she was delicious and soft? NO.
Was Yori a beloved HUMAN friend back then? YES.
Was Yuuki a vampire back then? YES.

So what have changed now? Obviously back then she wasn’t hungry lol.
So your examples about Sara (who isn’t hungry) or how much humans’ blood is delicious for vampires do not explain Yuuki’s state …

PS. And don’t tell me that I didn’t see that you’ve edited your post cuz I’ve seen it. But I don’t like that well-known method of vanishing posts …

Howl4fun wrote:My source comes from the japanese version.;) It's by the same team who scanlates ieatmanga's versions of the recent chapters. If you don't believe me, compare them yourselves.

Ieatmanga: chap 69 -- http://reader.ieatsoul.com/en/read/vampire-knight/509/69/2/
chap 72 -- http://reader.ieatsoul.com/en/read/vampire-knight/560/72/1/
chap 73 -- http://reader.ieatsoul.com/en/read/vampire-knight/573/73/1/

Mangareader: chap 69 -- http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/69/2
chap 72 -- http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/72
chap 73 -- http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/73/2

The online version of chap 74 now is translated from the chinese version, which is why it got some errors. Ieatmanga's version of the chapter isn't out yet. They've been busy with some RL issues. One of the scanlators offered me the translation however. If you want I can send it to you (if the scanlators will allow me).

Well, you can believe that version, I will stick with my source instead, it's more reliabile than yours.

Fangs extended: I must ask>>>when she bit zero, her fangs extended unusual? her fangs become bigger than before? I mean if her fangs have different seize when she bit kaname and zero. how this come

*faceplam* I don't understand your obsession with picking on every little thing a zeki replies with to you. Even when I was being nice, is it that hard to be nice back? Really...

You said that you don’t want to debate, not me …

Sorry, let me be more spesific then. I didn't wish to go into a debate about that particular sentence, cause I know we'll never agree on it. That sound better?

Again … Did anyone tell you that you can’t post here??? Tell me who did to scold him …

Maybe I mistook you then. You were talking as if you didn't get why I had to interfer and that I implied I didn't want others opinion. Can't we agree that it was a misunderstanding? O.o Unless it's really important to you for some reason.

Haha Howl really … I vividly remember though that it was YOU the one who said that you don’t like to post here and that you preferred other places … I see you’ve changed your mind again … XD. I suppose you like it here NOW …

I don't like it no, that doesn't mean I won't do it. What does that matter to you? Anything but something to use for ridicule? O.o

My only wonder was why you asked specifically for MY answer. You quoted my post and you started your previous post addressing to ME.

UHM.... what I "asked" in my first post was this:

Nina, from what you're saying I take it you'll respect my comment as long as I'm not doing any badmouthing, right?

-- (guess not)

and lastly if you accepted my post for being decent/not badmouthing. O.o Those are the things I "spesifically" asked for. You then replied to me, so ofc I replied back to you again O.o What the heck is your point other than the misunderstandings that's been?

A break … a break. We don’t have to argue about the word. Even so my previous observation still stands … You’ve broken your break coincidently to respond and to request my opinion … Again that’s an honour …

What?? O.o Girl you're picking on THIS too? For me saying I'm taking a break, and then posting again when, um... I decided not to have a break anymore? I'm starting to believe this is some kind of hobby of yours. Wow. You must have very little to do.

Umm you know to read Japanese Howl? If not how you know that this portion you posted is a more proper translation???

I don't, but my friend who's part of the scanlating team from ieatmanga is. Would you like her name so you can ask her yourself? I'd be more than happy to give it to you.

Sorry but your translation seems at least weird >>> “My fangs extended”????
How many times have you seen that phrase??? Except if Yuuki has that SPECIAL POWER as a PB and her fangs can extend and after the bite go inside again … nah

That's weird? O.o ... how so? "Extended" means "growing longer" not "bigger" (like aya seems to believe). In alot of the bite scenes we've seen the vampires' fangs grow longer O.o You need me to give examples?


And btw, "your" translation doesn't exactly speak your cause either. "I had no intention to wish for his blood" O.o That's like saying "I want his blood but I wish I didn't." isn't it? She didn't intend to wish for his blood, but she couldn't help doing so. Had she said "I actually bit someone I never wished to drink from." then we'd be talking. None of the versions speaks for you, so right now it doesn't matter which one you choose to believe.

Oh gladly I see that you agree with my POV >> since Yuuki did NOT use ONLY the term “intention” but she said “I had NEVER intended to wish” … in other words she NEVER wished for his blood in the past … but now that she’s hungry for blood she wishes his blood as a source of food!

Oh, and another thing. What is chap 60 telling you of Yuuki's "wish"? "But she was wounded..." sure, but what about the smiling and clinging? XD Isn't it something that says what we do when being unconscious often reveals what we really want? XD

Oh … I recall that it was YOU and some other Zeki who were cheering when Yuuki jumped on Zero’s throat though … On the other hand I had said that if she goes through with that bite in an “aggressive” way she’ll hurt Zero due to his trauma. I’m glad that now you adopted my POV … XD

Yes... ? Ah I get it. Somehow this was proof that zeki is friendship and nothing of significance will ever happen between them again. Maybe you're right, I should start realizing that by now. Lol, thanks for reminding me.

So IF she was “crazy” she couldn’t stop her self and she would have bit Yori as well. You see Zero’s and Yori’s case has many similarities …

Um, yeah? So we agree that she wasn't crazy? O.o

So what have changed now? Obviously back then she wasn’t hungry lol.
So your examples about Sara (who isn’t hungry) or how much humans’ blood is delicious for vampires do not explain Yuuki’s state …

Oh it doesn't?? I thought it explained it pretty well. Human blood is delicious, that doesn't mean they will want to bite a human every single time they're close to one. When they're hungry however... O.o But ofc you've your opinion that Yuuki doesn't want Zero's blood in particular, even with all the hints and even quotes for it, so that's fine. Agree to disagree, right?

PS. And don’t tell me that I didn’t see that you’ve edited your post cuz I’ve seen it. But I don’t like that well-known method of vanishing posts …

Yes, cause you know, I write really evil messages at first where I troll you like no tomorrow and then I make sure to edit it away before you see it. You got me

@howl

That's weird? O.o ... how so? "Extended" means "growing longer" not "bigger" (like aya seems to believe). In alot of the bite scenes we've seen the vampires' fangs grow longer O.o You need me to give examples?

Fine, extended means growing longer, not bigger. this means this "growing longer" is unusual, her fangs grew longer when she bit zero, but remain small when she bit kaname? How longer her fangs grew? in mm, cm, dm, how long?I am damn curious *really, i am curious*

aya-chan wrote:@howl

That's weird? O.o ... how so? "Extended" means "growing longer" not "bigger" (like aya seems to believe). In alot of the bite scenes we've seen the vampires' fangs grow longer O.o You need me to give examples?

Fine, extended means growing longer, not bigger. this means this "growing longer" is unusual, her fangs grew longer when she bit zero, but remain small when she bit kaname? How longer her fangs grew? in mm, cm, dm, how long?I am damn curious *really, i am curious*

Ι was assuming that this phrase was there to tell us that Yuuki's vampire side has been developped/ she is acting like a full mature vampire, not even thinking about it...and that's Hino's way of showing that Yuuki dealt and became one at last with her vampire side- she used to lick the blood one year before.

Apparently the extended part that is mentioned - no matter how you translate it longer or bitter- just show that body functions automatically to her urge to drink blood, it is as you say it Aya, it would happen in any case, Zero, Kaname, Yori because that's how she is supposed naturally to pray upon.

The fangs issue should make no difference on any person? now that her psycholigical issue is out of her way, she is acting as any vampire would do, isn't that so?

I read and i read all your posts, with numeral details and word interpretations, and truly, i was confused. This topic, has nothing to do with our wishes about the final pairing. It is but who is the best suited for Yuki.... Only under the prism of logic, we can come to a proper conclusion so i will completely take out the parameters of love.

I' ve already state, that a PB is better suited to a PB. That is an undeniable fact.
Then, i read somewhere that Zero is a human. I can't resist on some correction here. Zero is an ex-human, now being a vampire. Let me remind you one more detail... we don't know for sure, he is not falling on level-E. His potential affair with Yuki, can only bring in my mind lady Sizuka and her human lover. Zero, will always be in the need of her blood, not for the sake of love, but of the risk of falling on E level, and Yuki, should always protect him. Zero, according on Hino's writing, is an interdependent, proud young man and Yuki a fragile innocent girl. Do you think, they have a future together? INPO, must roll a lot of water under the bridge of time. For Zero, he has to compromise with his nature, his anger,his pride... For Yuki, to involve, to become stronger and surpass her love for Kaname.
On the contrary,on her relationship with Kaname no special conditions are required.For them, being together, is the most natural thing. They are like the sun rising from the East...
Hino, is still writing her story... we don't know the way she is going to end it. (So, we can all dream)....but... if Yuki was your best friend, what would be your advise?

How longer her fangs grew? in mm, cm, dm, how long?I am damn curious *really, i am curious*

O.O

I guess you'll keep staying curios then.

Ι was assuming that this phrase was there to tell us that Yuuki's vampire side has been developped/ she is acting like a full mature vampire, not even thinking about it...and that's Hino's way of showing that Yuuki dealt and became one at last with her vampire side- she used to lick the blood one year before.

Apparently the extended part that is mentioned - no matter how you translate it longer or bitter- just show that body functions automatically to her urge to drink blood, it is as you say it Aya, it would happen in any case, Zero, Kaname, Yori because that's how she is supposed naturally to pray upon.

The fangs issue should make no difference on any person? now that her psycholigical issue is out of her way, she is acting as any vampire would do, isn't that so?

Um, I don't know where you're going with this cause I agree with you. O.o I didn't say anywhere that her fangs extending "means" something, in that case I worded myself wrong. Nina and Aya didn't believe me for some reason, that's why I kept commenting on it. From what we've seen, vampires' fangs always extend when they bite someone. Just look at Zero's teeth when he bites Yuuki the first time O.O Usually you can barely see their fangs behind their lips. I wonder how many cm's they grow too... xD

Howl4fun wrote: *faceplam* I don't understand your obsession with picking on every little thing a zeki replies with to you.

Obsession to respond in everything you said??? I thought that translated to accuracy.
Ok then I’ll use only your words not mine …

Howl4fun wrote: Yes, cause you know, I write really evil messages at first where I troll you like no tomorrow and then I make sure to edit it away before you see it. You got me

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Howl4fun wrote: I don't understand your obsession

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Howl4fun wrote: I don't like it no, that doesn't mean I won't do it. What does that matter to you? Anything but something to use for ridicule?

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Howl4fun wrote: What?? O.o Girl you're picking on THIS too? I'm starting to believe this is some kind of hobby of yours. Wow. You must have very little to do.

Howl4fun wrote: Even when I was being nice

Too nice I shall say … do not spoil me lol.

Juliet wrote: Ι was assuming that this phrase was there to tell us that Yuuki's vampire side has been developped/ she is acting like a full mature vampire, not even thinking about it...and that's Hino's way of showing that Yuuki dealt and became one at last with her vampire side- she used to lick the blood one year before.
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…it is as you say it Aya, it would happen in any case, Zero, Kaname, Yori because that's how she is supposed naturally to pray upon.

The fangs issue should make no difference on any person? now that her psycholigical issue is out of her way, she is acting as any vampire would do, isn't that so?

I second that.

Howl4fun wrote:Um, I don't know where you're going with this cause I agree with you. O.o I didn't say anywhere that her fangs extending "means" something, in that case I worded myself wrong. Nina and Aya didn't believe me for some reason, that's why I kept commenting on it. From what we've seen, vampires' fangs always extend when they bite someone. Just look at Zero's teeth when he bites Yuuki the first time O.O Usually you can barely see their fangs behind their lips. I wonder how many cm's they grow too... xD

Maybe I would have believe you if you wouldn't have emphased that "extended fangs" like something extraordinary/unusual/uncommon.

Obsession to respond in everything you said??? I thought that translated to accuracy.

Lol, accurate is right. You nearly focused more on me wording myself wrong than on the actual discussion O.o

And yes, I was being nice in my two first posts. You're the one who didn't want to continue like that and started picking on my post like a kid so I thought why bother. But I'll take your hint and end this.

Maybe I would have believe you if you wouldn't have emphased that "extended fangs" like something extraordinary/unusual/uncommon.

O.o um... when did I do that? When I gave you the quote from ieatmanga's team it wasn't even the "extended" line I emphasized on, it was "for someone I never intended to ask for blood". That's what we were talking about. You're the one who said that "extended" sounded weird, so I then explained why it's not. O.o

ariel wrote:I read and i read all your posts, with numeral details and word interpretations, and truly, i was confused. This topic, has nothing to do with our wishes about the final pairing. It is but who is the best suited for Yuki.... Only under the prism of logic, we can come to a proper conclusion so i will completely take out the parameters of love.

I' ve already state, that a PB is better suited to a PB. That is an undeniable fact.
Then, i read somewhere that Zero is a human. I can't resist on some correction here. Zero is an ex-human, now being a vampire. Let me remind you one more detail... we don't know for sure, he is not falling on level-E. His potential affair with Yuki, can only bring in my mind lady Sizuka and her human lover. Zero, will always be in the need of her blood, not for the sake of love, but of the risk of falling on E level, and Yuki, should always protect him. Zero, according on Hino's writing, is an interdependent, proud young man and Yuki a fragile innocent girl. Do you think, they have a future together? INPO, must roll a lot of water under the bridge of time. For Zero, he has to compromise with his nature, his anger,his pride... For Yuki, to involve, to become stronger and surpass her love for Kaname.
On the contrary,on her relationship with Kaname no special conditions are required.For them, being together, is the most natural thing. They are like the sun rising from the East...
Hino, is still writing her story... we don't know the way she is going to end it. (So, we can all dream)....but... if Yuki was your best friend, what would be your advise?

Okay, after the “extended” issue back to the subject…

I am with you Ariel, love should flow natural, and who is best for Yuuki should be determined by who Yuuki truly loves, it has nothing to do if that person is vampire/vampire hunter/ ancestor or young and selfish. It has to do with what she wants and needs in order to make her happy. That’s the right man in any case, and in any case.
How many movies or scenes have we watched where the couple has to overcome all difficulties like superstitions, misconceptions, oppositions or predispositions until they can finally be together? And if the external factors do not allow them to be together, then the end can be bitter and both dies (extreme cases) to declare the right to be together at least at death (if they cannot be together in life).
But that’s another factor there that I see and recognize; the factors are external that prohibit love to bloom (at least in most cases) but not internal.
For example one can love his enemy’s daughter but he LOVES her, he never denies that fact and the daughter loves him back also (love comes natural) or it takes little time to develop before the external factors come in and dissolve the dream of the two.
In any case, most of the times, love is unconditional (I love you no matter who you are- what you are-where you came from) and it overcomes difficulties (no matter how hard it is I will try to follow you and be with you) and that makes a love epic in novels, common ingredients for a successful love story (depends on the writer) you will tell me, almost a cliché, but I guess that’s is about fantasy and fiction, it surpasses reality to add the extra flavor we miss in everyday life.

So I guess if Yuuki can love Kaname despite being her ancestor, despite his sins of the past and present, if she wishes to follow him and withstand all difficulties that stand on her way to be with him, that simply declares how much she loves him.

If Kaname is going to sacrifice himself to make a better world for her to live and to bloom, if he leaves aside his own desires for her to walk the path she wishes for and indirectly supports her, that’s an evidence of a real passionate and true unconditional love between two that love each other too much and are ready to surpass the limits for each other.
This does not mean that all the above do not have a price- eventually- but I focus on the love part.

The above characteristics I can see it in Yume, but if Yume is to face a Zeki, I need the equivalent elements that can persuade me that Yume is thin and pale next to Zeki. I would like to say that I wait and wait and wait and the clues that I pick up here and there are mostly a return back to the "age of innocence". How Hino will surpass Yume there? I have no idea.

Howl4fun wrote:
Um, I don't know where you're going with this cause I agree with you. O.o I didn't say anywhere that her fangs extending "means" something, in that case I worded myself wrong. Nina and Aya didn't believe me for some reason, that's why I kept commenting on it. From what we've seen, vampires' fangs always extend when they bite someone. Just look at Zero's teeth when he bites Yuuki the first time O.O Usually you can barely see their fangs behind their lips. I wonder how many cm's they grow too... xD

I think howl, what Nina and Aya meant is that a vampires fangs, naturally extend when taking blood. It’s how they feed, so why can yuuki’s fangs extending, be seen as anything different then her feeding like a natural and mature vampire, which she is? She isn’t a child anymore and has to take her blood by using her fangs. A lesson, Kaname had to teach her, for her own sanity and survival.

juliet wrote:

ariel wrote:I read and i read all your posts, with numeral details and word interpretations, and truly, i was confused. This topic, has nothing to do with our wishes about the final pairing. It is but who is the best suited for Yuki.... Only under the prism of logic, we can come to a proper conclusion so i will completely take out the parameters of love.

I' ve already state, that a PB is better suited to a PB. That is an undeniable fact.
Then, i read somewhere that Zero is a human. I can't resist on some correction here. Zero is an ex-human, now being a vampire. Let me remind you one more detail... we don't know for sure, he is not falling on level-E. His potential affair with Yuki, can only bring in my mind lady Sizuka and her human lover. Zero, will always be in the need of her blood, not for the sake of love, but of the risk of falling on E level, and Yuki, should always protect him. Zero, according on Hino's writing, is an interdependent, proud young man and Yuki a fragile innocent girl. Do you think, they have a future together? INPO, must roll a lot of water under the bridge of time. For Zero, he has to compromise with his nature, his anger,his pride... For Yuki, to involve, to become stronger and surpass her love for Kaname.
On the contrary,on her relationship with Kaname no special conditions are required.For them, being together, is the most natural thing. They are like the sun rising from the East...
Hino, is still writing her story... we don't know the way she is going to end it. (So, we can all dream)....but... if Yuki was your best friend, what would be your advise?

Okay, after the “extended” issue back to the subject…

I am with you Ariel, love should flow natural, and who is best for Yuuki should be determined by who Yuuki truly loves, it has nothing to do if that person is vampire/vampire hunter/ ancestor or young and selfish. It has to do with what she wants and needs in order to make her happy. That’s the right man in any case, and in any case.
How many movies or scenes have we watched where the couple has to overcome all difficulties like superstitions, misconceptions, oppositions or predispositions until they can finally be together? And if the external factors do not allow them to be together, then the end can be bitter and both dies (extreme cases) to declare the right to be together at least at death (if they cannot be together in life).
But that’s another factor there that I see and recognize; the factors are external that prohibit love to bloom (at least in most cases) but not internal.
For example one can love his enemy’s daughter but he LOVES her, he never denies that fact and the daughter loves him back also (love comes natural) or it takes little time to develop before the external factors come in and dissolve the dream of the two.
In any case, most of the times, love is unconditional (I love you no matter who you are- what you are-where you came from) and it overcomes difficulties (no matter how hard it is I will try to follow you and be with you) and that makes a love epic in novels, common ingredients for a successful love story (depends on the writer) you will tell me, almost a cliché, but I guess that’s is about fantasy and fiction, it surpasses reality to add the extra flavor we miss in everyday life.

So I guess if Yuuki can love Kaname despite being her ancestor, despite his sins of the past and present, if she wishes to follow him and withstand all difficulties that stand on her way to be with him, that simply declares how much she loves him.

If Kaname is going to sacrifice himself to make a better world for her to live and to bloom, if he leaves aside his own desires for her to walk the path she wishes for and indirectly supports her, that’s an evidence of a real passionate and true unconditional love between two that love each other too much and are ready to surpass the limits for each other.
This does not mean that all the above do not have a price- eventually- but I focus on the love part.

The above characteristics I can see it in Yume, but if Yume is to face a Zeki, I need the equivalent elements that can persuade me that Yume is thin and pale next to Zeki. I would like to say that I wait and wait and wait and the clues that I pick up here and there are mostly a return back to the "age of innocence". How Hino will surpass Yume there? I have no idea.

@Ariel and Juliet: I agree with both your posts alot!!!

I think howl, what Nina and Aya meant is that a vampires fangs, naturally extend when taking blood. It’s how they feed, so why can yuuki’s fangs extending, be seen as anything different then her feeding like a natural and mature vampire, which she is? She isn’t a child anymore and has to take her blood by using her fangs. A lesson, Kaname had to teach her, for her own sanity and survival.

Bloodredhead *hugs* You should have read my previous responds girl. I didn't mean anything special about the 'extended' part, I only addressed it when they said it sounded weird.