Final Betrayal?

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Well...
we know that perhaps this is an unlikely, but there may be a possibility if we consider it in this way.
1-Takuma, was a friend of Kaname for almost a decade, as Takuma said in chapter 55. "during the ten years i Spent w / kaname ..."
So I think that being friends with a pure blood for so long, had to have given him advantages of their weaknesses and powers ... ect ...
2-Kaname, never had confided their secrets, (as the existence of Yuki) to someone who is left weak and manipulate. So this gives us that maybe we understand the Takuma is stronger than we thought.
3-Kaname, he was never worried that Takuma (The person who knows all his secrets), was with sara, which someone might consider a threat. Kaname always knew where Takuma was.
4-Rima said in Chapter 76. Takuma perhaps this with Sara, to know their plans, to help someone. "didn´t he say he was going to keep an eye on sara-sama so he could be of help to a certain someone..." And this may be true. Recall that Rima is always right, LOL ..
Well here are some things that came into my head while thinking about the poor Takuma ... Perhaps this betrays sarah? I know he is under the effect of the blood of Sara, but requests are only physical, not mental. And maybe kaname told him that there was a way to avoid being controlled by a pure blood or something. Remember that the only ones who know the true powers of the pures bloods are the same pures bloods.

Katherine wrote:

lililovelilica wrote:

Katherine wrote:



sorry but I think my head seems to explode everytime someone compares Twilight and Vampire Knight..It´s just so urghh...Twilight is so annoying in my eyes (only personl opinion)
VK has a much more dramatic story and I don´t think you can compare the main characters,

f.e:
Yuuki <--> Bella: Yuuki was weak like Bella once but now she fights and takes action! Bella only protects others in her mind-bubble or how others call it...Bella only becomes a vampire, her age doesn´t change anymore and she won some abilities but Yuuki´s change is bigger in my eyes...by turning her she understands that Kaname is her brother ( xy) she has a new position and a lot of problems start

Zero <--> Jacob...Zero is alone and feels dissapointed...he had a terrible past and searches for revenge...Jacob lived together with Bill...he had a normich childhood...he turned then and got new friends but lost (temporary) Bella...he found her again and fells in love with her daughter...Zero is on a low step in the vampire hierachy, he is not accepted by every hunter (especially at the beginning)...he sees how the girl he loves fell in love with his greatest enemy (well Jacob and Edward started to like each other at least a little bit)...

Kaname <--> Edward: That Kaname is awesome should be enough...I don´t want to point out some differences, Edward would cry on the floor^^

I think that everyone have their own opinion about the characters and i'm not bashing anyone...i'm just stating my feelings and opinions about the couples...i konw they're different somehow...but the love triabgle (it seems the same to me)....

I haven´t said that you´re bashing I only felt like posting my opinion because I think that there is a huge difference...yes ther is a love triangle but in my eyes there is not relly much more that is similar in VK... you have your opinion I have mine, by presenting my arguments I´m not bashing, these are my reasons ;) so don´t feel attacted

I understand you point now
it's just that my opinion is that they are similar in someways like:
1-Kaname is older than Yuuki x Just like Edward
2-Zero is the rejected guy x Just like Jacob
3-Bella is the cute and kind of stupid girl who doesn't understand anything until the guy aproches her x Just the same like Edward did to Bella.
4-Some evil thing is after Yuuki x Just like Bella...
resuming:it's kind the same thing

lililovelilica wrote:

Katherine wrote:

lililovelilica wrote:
I think that everyone have their own opinion about the characters and i'm not bashing anyone...i'm just stating my feelings and opinions about the couples...i konw they're different somehow...but the love triabgle (it seems the same to me)....

I haven´t said that you´re bashing I only felt like posting my opinion because I think that there is a huge difference...yes ther is a love triangle but in my eyes there is not relly much more that is similar in VK... you have your opinion I have mine, by presenting my arguments I´m not bashing, these are my reasons ;) so don´t feel attacted

I understand you point now
it's just that my opinion is that they are similar in someways like:
1-Kaname is older than Yuuki x Just like Edward
2-Zero is the rejected guy x Just like Jacob
3-Bella is the cute and kind of stupid girl who doesn't understand anything until the guy aproches her x Just the same like Edward did to Bella.
4-Some evil thing is after Yuuki x Just like Bella...
resuming:it's kind the same thing

Maybe we should start a topic somewhere because we get again, only if you´re interested...

lililovelilica wrote:

Katherine wrote:

lililovelilica wrote:
I think that everyone have their own opinion about the characters and i'm not bashing anyone...i'm just stating my feelings and opinions about the couples...i konw they're different somehow...but the love triabgle (it seems the same to me)....

I haven´t said that you´re bashing I only felt like posting my opinion because I think that there is a huge difference...yes ther is a love triangle but in my eyes there is not relly much more that is similar in VK... you have your opinion I have mine, by presenting my arguments I´m not bashing, these are my reasons ;) so don´t feel attacted

I understand you point now
it's just that my opinion is that they are similar in someways like:
1-Kaname is older than Yuuki x Just like Edward
2-Zero is the rejected guy x Just like Jacob
3-Bella is the cute and kind of stupid girl who doesn't understand anything until the guy aproches her x Just the same like Edward did to Bella.
4-Some evil thing is after Yuuki x Just like Bella...
resuming:it's kind the same thing

Of course, there are many similarities between VK and Twilight but it can be said about every romantic history with a love triangle.
I like Twilight also but in my opinion VK is much more mature and original.

Akaruisama wrote:

lililovelilica wrote:

Katherine wrote:

I haven´t said that you´re bashing I only felt like posting my opinion because I think that there is a huge difference...yes ther is a love triangle but in my eyes there is not relly much more that is similar in VK... you have your opinion I have mine, by presenting my arguments I´m not bashing, these are my reasons ;) so don´t feel attacted

I understand you point now
it's just that my opinion is that they are similar in someways like:
1-Kaname is older than Yuuki x Just like Edward
2-Zero is the rejected guy x Just like Jacob
3-Bella is the cute and kind of stupid girl who doesn't understand anything until the guy aproches her x Just the same like Edward did to Bella.
4-Some evil thing is after Yuuki x Just like Bella...
resuming:it's kind the same thing

Of course, there are many similarities between VK and Twilight but it can be said about every romantic history with a love triangle.
I like Twilight also but in my opinion VK is much more mature and original.

That´s right...there is a huge difference between the "class" both of them are in...it´s different what they want to show...in my eyes Twilight is much more superficial than VK

Katherine wrote:
That´s right...there is a huge difference between the "class" both of them are in...it´s different what they want to show...in my eyes Twilight is much more superficial than VK

I agree. VK is on another league!

Katherine wrote:

Kaname <--> Edward: That Kaname is awesome should be enough...I don´t want to point out some differences, Edward would cry on the floor^^

To help people to see the difference, they should look at a pic with kaname and at one with edward.

Spoiler:

Only a look at them is enough to say who's hotter.

Katherine wrote:
That´s right...there is a huge difference between the "class" both of them are in...it´s different what they want to show...in my eyes Twilight is much more superficial than VK

Vampire Knight is superior to Twilight - the plot itself do the difference

aya-chan wrote:

Katherine wrote:

Kaname <--> Edward: That Kaname is awesome should be enough...I don´t want to point out some differences, Edward would cry on the floor^^

To help people to see the difference, they should look at a pic with kaname and at one with edward.

Spoiler:

Only a look at them is enough to say who's hotter.

Katherine wrote:
That´s right...there is a huge difference between the "class" both of them are in...it´s different what they want to show...in my eyes Twilight is much more superficial than VK

Vampire Knight is superior to Twilight - the plot itself do the difference

Thank you so much for your support, the pics really show the difference ;) and it´s not just Kaname´s hot position^^ it´s the man himself ;) edward has to be jelous^^

Well in Twilight there is not enoough drama in my eyes and the love between the characters is presented so detailled, VK makes it much better ;)

aya-chan wrote:

Katherine wrote:

Kaname <--> Edward: That Kaname is awesome should be enough...I don´t want to point out some differences, Edward would cry on the floor^^

To help people to see the difference, they should look at a pic with kaname and at one with edward.

Spoiler:

Only a look at them is enough to say who's hotter.

Katherine wrote:
That´s right...there is a huge difference between the "class" both of them are in...it´s different what they want to show...in my eyes Twilight is much more superficial than VK

Vampire Knight is superior to Twilight - the plot itself do the difference

I don't think that at all...well i think it's good to listen to others and respect their opinions so i won't say anything bad about it...but my personal opinion won't change anyway...(can't we just agree that the 2 of them are HOT?

lililovelilica wrote:

aya-chan wrote:

Katherine wrote:

Kaname <--> Edward: That Kaname is awesome should be enough...I don´t want to point out some differences, Edward would cry on the floor^^

To help people to see the difference, they should look at a pic with kaname and at one with edward.

Spoiler:

Only a look at them is enough to say who's hotter.

Katherine wrote:
That´s right...there is a huge difference between the "class" both of them are in...it´s different what they want to show...in my eyes Twilight is much more superficial than VK

Vampire Knight is superior to Twilight - the plot itself do the difference

I don't think that at all...well i think it's good to listen to others and respect their opinions so i won't say anything bad about it...but my personal opinion won't change anyway...(can't we just agree that the 2 of them are HOT?

of course every one has his/her own opinion and I think we respect that...it´s just our opinions ;) and we try to give reasons for that...for example when I compare Kaname and Edward I can only like Kaname´s looks more...I never liked Robert Pattinsons face...well the books were better than the film but not as deep as the manga VK

I'm confused about the topic of this thread.

I also was never interested in Twilight. *shrugs*

Umm...Takuma, if he survives this mess of a plot, will be loyal to Kaname and not Sara, as far as I can guess.

I am praying that Takuma will betray Sara. He's a very loyal person to the point of casting off his friends and killing a family member for what he believes in. He is very strong morally. Did you see how he reacted to Sara keeping people imprisoned? He was shocked and disgusted.
Everything is pointing to Takuma being blood-controlled by Sara now, not switching sides!

Persia wrote:I am praying that Takuma will betray Sara. He's a very loyal person to the point of casting off his friends and killing a family member for what he believes in. He is very strong morally. Did you see how he reacted to Sara keeping people imprisoned? He was shocked and disgusted.
Everything is pointing to Takuma being blood-controlled by Sara now, not switching sides!

I so agree with you. One of Takuma’s virtues that I always admired was his integrity. Till now he was portrayed as a character who puts his sense and morality above emotions thus and we saw him to stand between Shiki-Rido and Kaname and trying to kill his own grandpa cuz the means do not justify the ends as he said. And he continued to do so up until the moment that Sara coerced him to drink more of her blood in chapter 73.
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/vampire_knight/v13/c073/30.html

Now Hino has given us the whole version of the above scene stating that Takuma changed due to Sara’s “love confession”. But if so; then why Sara forced him to drink more of her blood in order to stop him from meddling with her plans? Isn’t she who said for Takuma;
“All I want are poor while outstanding servants who can never leave me even though they’re always fighting me …”
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/vampire_knight/v15/c078/30.html

Do we supposedly must ditch everything that we knew till chapter 80 and believe to a “drugged” Takuma; or to Takuma that we knew thus far?

Personally I refuse to believe in this twisted seemingly “love” even IF the author insists to promote this version trashing everything that we knew. Cuz she might have given another example of such wrapped love in the past between Ichirou and Shizuka BUT excuse me, Takuma is a far cry from Ichirou regarding their morals.

So I also pray that Takuma will snap out of this hallucination and betray that witch … I want him to stay loyal to himself.

nina wrote:

Persia wrote:I am praying that Takuma will betray Sara. He's a very loyal person to the point of casting off his friends and killing a family member for what he believes in. He is very strong morally. Did you see how he reacted to Sara keeping people imprisoned? He was shocked and disgusted.
Everything is pointing to Takuma being blood-controlled by Sara now, not switching sides!

I so agree with you. One of Takuma’s virtues that I always admired was his integrity. Till now he was portrayed as a character who puts his sense and morality above emotions thus and we saw him to stand between Shiki-Rido and Kaname and trying to kill his own grandpa cuz the means do not justify the ends as he said. And he continued to do so up until the moment that Sara coerced him to drink more of her blood in chapter 73.


Now Hino has given us the whole version of the above scene stating that Takuma changed due to Sara’s “love confession”. But if so; then why Sara forced him to drink more of her blood in order to stop him from meddling with her plans? Isn’t she who said for Takuma;
“All I want are poor while outstanding servants who can never leave me even though they’re always fighting me …”

Do we supposedly must ditch everything that we knew till chapter 80 and believe to a “drugged” Takuma; or to Takuma that we knew thus far?

Personally I refuse to believe in this twisted seemingly “love” even IF the author insists to promote this version trashing everything that we knew. Cuz she might have given another example of such wrapped love in the past between Ichirou and Shizuka BUT excuse me, Takuma is a far cry from Ichirou regarding their morals.

So I also pray that Takuma will snap out of this hallucination and betray that witch … I want him to stay loyal to himself.

ditto! i agree . Takuma needs to get out of her evil clutches !!!