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    Post by nina Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:48 am

    First topic message reminder :

    Here the raws>>

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    All the credits to the Chinese team for their hard work every month!


    First translation direct LINK

    And its been posted here as well >>
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    Post by witlessfool Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:51 am

    I don't have the time to translate everything right now (I'll be semi-free later on in the evening, i.e. in about 6hrs time) but to all the zeki-fans, relax - Zero didn't shoot Yuuki. It was an illusion created by Ruka (hence why there was a picture of her sad face right before Zero shot Yuuki). Later on in the chapter, as Kaname, Ruka and Kain was walking, Ruka expressed regret in showing Yuuki that illusion even though she knew it was to stop her, but Kaname expressed thanks to her for doing so.

    Anyway, I'm off. Vampire Knight 81! FULL RAWS!!!! AND FIRST TRANSLATION. - Page 1 3134848676 I'll be back in 6hrs time to provide a more detailed translation (that's if LJ people haven't done so by then).

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    Post by stuffs Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:06 am

    i read the summary of it and once you match it up OMG WTH is going on here. this freakin thing is getting really confusing. like kaname and yuki fighting than and illusion made by Ruka just get along with the freaking thing but the most weird part is when zero drinks sara's blood Shocked
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    Post by juliet Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:24 am

    witlessfool wrote:I don't have the time to translate everything right now (I'll be semi-free later on in the evening, i.e. in about 6hrs time) but to all the zeki-fans, relax - Zero didn't shoot Yuuki. It was an illusion created by Ruka (hence why there was a picture of her sad face right before Zero shot Yuuki). Later on in the chapter, as Kaname, Ruka and Kain was walking, Ruka expressed regret in showing Yuuki that illusion even though she knew it was to stop her, but Kaname expressed thanks to her for doing so.

    Anyway, I'm off. Vampire Knight 81! FULL RAWS!!!! AND FIRST TRANSLATION. - Page 1 3134848676 I'll be back in 6hrs time to provide a more detailed translation (that's if LJ people haven't done so by then).

    brb

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    they are a lot of thing going on and and the plot just seems so affraid .... or twisted.... Twisted Evil
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    Post by mariangie Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:36 am

    Summary from Kat ( from Chinese translation ) :




    Vampire Knight [Chapter 81]
    Thursday, March 22, 2012


    [Free Talk: I did this in a rush for I have to go to work. I’ll put up the pictures tonight.]

    Zero is thinking that Ichiou and that Yuuki girl perished on the same day, and the one he kissed is just the remains of that girl. And even if he believes that she will go with Kaname, how come he has hope, and how come the remains of that girl would look at him with the same eyes before. And yet, gradually becoming cold Ichiru, didn’t. Why is it them, [whom Kaname decided to mess up with.] So, Zero agrees to hide Sara in the Association, and Sara will assist him in fulfilling his wish. Sara asks Takuma if he is coming. Takuma says that he is. Senri tries to stop him by saying that isn’t something he’ll do. Takuma smiles and says that this is something he’ll do. Just when Senri is going to emote about the Takuma he knows, Rima arrives and asks Senri what he is doing. When she is reprimanding Takuma to stop while he’s ahead..Sara and others are already gone. Senri runs to chase after his beloved Takuma. While Hanabusa and Maria look on, Hanadagi’s servant is suppressed by Kaito. Kaito tells her that even if he knows that she wants revenge but she can’t cause a ruckus there. He says that the opponent is a pureblood and she’ll just die. Hanadagi’s servant tries to kick him and say that it doesn’t matter. Hanadagi’s servant exclaims what the hunters are doing, and could it be that they’ve assigned weapons[?] to kill purebloods but let Sara do as she pleases. [<- not sure on this part] Kaito didn’t refute it. Hanabusa says that even so, she cannot cause a ruckus in their dorm or else, he’ll restrain her using ice.




    Facing Kaname, Yuuki says that she is in a bad mood for even if they are in this kind of situation, Kaname is quite calm. Kaname says that he was the one who abandoned her and he is an awful guy. Yuuki says that she hasn’t given up yet, and does he remember, that if he wants to abandon her, he ought to use his hands to kill her. Or, perhaps, she should go kill him. Kaname says that he remembers and that is precisely why he gave ‘Artemis’ back to her, for her to slaughter vampires and become a weapon. Jumping to attack Kaname, Yuuki exclaims that is right, using this weapon, she’ll take away his regeneration ability and ability to move. Kaname blocks her Artemis with his sword. Yuuki exclaims that she won’t let him do as he pleases anymore. Kaname says that it is perplexing. Yuuki says then, just like on that day, pierce her heart with this sword. Kaname swings the scythe off. She swings her scythe again at him, but Kaname evades. Yuuki says that one day if it is her turn, it won’t be with such half-hearted feelings. With a bleeding wound on her face, Yuuki exclaims, ‘Right now..!” Before she can swing the scythe, Kaname tenderly touches her wound. After an exchange of loving expression, Yuuki swings back her scythe, ready to attack again. Kaname tells her that within her consciousness soaked in blood, answer her own questions. She is waving around that weapon and yet, she doesn’t know. “Killing Purebloods is ‘Her’ wish.” Kaname poses with his weapon while getting ready to attack. Just as Yuuki jumps and swings down Artemis on Kaname, Yuuki wonders if he is referring to that female ancestor. Kaname says to let go of him and regard [him?] as a lunatic. Then, Yuuki strikes nothing but the ground. She looks around and wonders where she is for she only sees emptiness. Then, standing behind her, ‘Zero’ points his Blood Rose on her head. He says something about letting him settle with that field guy[?], and why until now, she hasn’t given up on him. Yuuki turns around and thinks that it is an illusion [courtesy of Ruka]. Then, ‘Zero’ shoots Yuuki on the head, and asks her why she won’t give up. Bleeding Yuuki mutters that Zero won’t criticize her like that. Yuuki realizes that this is an illusion that Ruka made her see and Zero is currently with Sara.




    At the Association, Hanadagi’s servant is screaming to let her go for she wants her revenge against this woman. Sara and others just look at her. Taking her away, Kaito tells her to calm down for she isn’t that woman’s opponent. Yagari asks Zero what he is planning to let Sara hide there, and has he gone mad. And could it be that he hasn’t heard of the rumors. Kaien arrives and asks what’s happening. Zero says that regardless of integrity, purebloods don’t need to exist so they should just let Sara and Kaname kill each other. Kaien exclaims if this is a bad joke and is everyone serious about this. As a hunter with conscience, don’t they feel ashamed by this. Sara asks them what they plan to do, are they going to watch her die and not save her, there is still time. From the streets, a spider watches Kaname and others walking. Ruka says that she wants to stop the two of them but she let Yuuki-sama saw a cruel illusion. Licking the blood from his fingers, Kaname says no. “I’m very grateful to you..” They are now in front of the Association’s gate. Then, Zero tells the others that those who don’t want to see something uncomfortable should leave. To everyone’s shock, Zero bites Sara’s neck and rocks her blood. Sara says that is right, this is the help for his revenge. Exterminate Kaname Kuran who is endangering her, the guy who stole his [Zero’s] everything. Touching the door, Kaname mutters that he can’t stand it, giving Zero that nasty blood. Looking at the door, Zero mutters, ‘annihilate’..




    Apparently, those previews didn’t do justice to this chapter. I’m actually quite excited. So, the next chapter, we will have a Kaname vs Zero fight. Are they all just going to watch? Will there be some casualties from the bystanders? It seems that the Association is doomed. Their supposedly true head just drank a pureblood vampire right in front of them. Kaien is also opposing the ‘kill all pureblood’ thing, but then, it is inevitable since his ‘daughter’ is a pureblood and he has a good friend who is a pureblood. So, it will be up to Kaito and Yagari to keep the Association intact. I also like the ‘standing by your man’ scenes in this chapter. Rima ‘saved’ Senri in the nick of time. Whatever her real intention is, Ruka helped Kaname a lot there. They got rid of Yuuki without hurting her though I’m not sure if there will be some psychological problems later on after going through that. I’ve realized that during the fight between Kaname and Kaien, could it be that Ruka is using her powers on Kaien to make him think that chibi vampire is Kaname? Anyway, I’m glad that Kaname is indeed doing this for his whatever-relationship female ancestor, and Ruka is far more useful to Yuuki. He made a right choice to let her stay wit him, and ‘dump’ Yuuki. ^^ Most of the fights between Kaname had ended in a stalemate so I wonder if Kaname and Zero will also end up like that. Maybe Kaname can find a way of just getting rid of only Sara and leave. It would be nice though if Hanadagi’s servant can also have a piece of action. Oh, since the fight will be in the Association, will the Hunters learn that it was Kaname who made their weapons? Fufu..I can’t wait to see their reactions, if that happens. Scans by玖玖爱枢♀汉化. Thanks MaryMar for the info that this is out. ^^




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    Post by SassyKnight Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:58 am

    OK ZeKi is ON A ROLE!! HAHA Love the YuMe fight heheheheheh Very Happy
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    Post by mariangie Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:02 am

    Translation from Senbyafanatic from Chinese scans :


    senbyafanatic (senbyafanatic) wrote in vampire_knight,
    2012-03-22 15:30:00




    Night 81 English Translation

    This is NOT a direct Japanese-English Translation!

    Night 81 Those who carry her weapon


    Page 1
    What he saw leaving him, are several corpses…


    Page 2

    Zero (thinking) She died, the same day Ichiru did. What I kissed that day was her dead body. It was nothing more than my farewell to the dead.


    Page 3 (all dialogues in this page are flashbacks)

    Zero (to Kaname): I used to believe that you’d stay by her side forever.

    Yuuki: Because I’m not worried for Zero.

    Zero (thinking) Why do I still have hope? Why would she who is dead to me still look at me the way she used to… while Ichiru never let me see his eyes again (cont’d on the next page)


    Page 4

    Zero (thinking, cont’d from the previous page) as his body gradually turned cold. (thinking back to when he questioned Kaname) Why us? (to Sara) As you wish, I’ll hide you in the association.

    Sara: Then I’ll help you with your wish as I promised.


    Page 5

    Sara: You’ll come along as well, aren’t you, Takuma?

    Takuma: Yes…

    Shiki: Stop it, Ichijou. This is not like something you’d do.

    Takuma: Shiki…


    Page 6

    Takuma: This is exactly something I’d do.

    Shiki: What is this…the Ichijou I know would…


    Page 7

    Rima: Shiki, what do you think you are doing?!

    Shiki: Rima.

    Rima: And you too, Ichijou, don’t go too far…


    Page 8

    Shiki: Ichijou!

    Hanadagi’s servant: Let go of me!

    Kaido: No way~ I understand how much you want to avenge your master, but we’ll be in trouble if we let vampires wreak havoc in the academy.


    Page 9

    Kaido: Besides, you’ll only die in vain when your opponent is a pureblood.

    Hanadagi’s servant: It doesn’t matter!

    Kaido: Uahahah!

    Hanadagi’s servant: Come to think about it, what on earth are you hunters doing…


    Page 10

    Hanadagi’s servant: You are endowed with weapons that can even kill purebloods, but you let Sara Shirabuki do whatever she wants!

    Kaido: Ahah…can’t argue with you on this one…

    Aidou: Anyway, don’t do anything that causes trouble for our dorm president, otherwise I’ll have to trap you with my ice.


    Page 12

    Yuuki: It annoys me…how steady your heartbeat is even under such a circumstance.

    Page 13

    Kaname: I’m the one to have abandoned you…because I’m a bad man…

    Yuuki: I have not given up yet! Do you still remember what you said in front of the room with the coffin, that you’d rather kill me with your own hands, or I kill you with mine, if you were going to let me go?

    Kaname: I do remember.


    Page 14

    Kaname: And that’s why I returned Artemis to you, one of the weapons that are forged to massacre vampires.

    Yuuki: Yes, with this weapon, I can take away your ability to regenerate and decrease the amount of time you can move around…


    Page 15

    Yuuki: I won’t let you do whatever you want anymore, even if it means I’ll have to cut you open.

    Kaname: …Then you put me in a difficult place…

    Yuuki: If that’s the case, you can pierce my heart with that sword, just as you said that day…


    Page 16

    Yuuki: If there comes a day when I have to kill you, then don’t harbor any feelings for me….Now…!


    Page 18

    Kaname: I’ll answer your question before your consciousness sinks into a pool of blood. You are wielding this weapon, and yet you still don’t understand?


    Page 19

    Kaname: It was HER wish to kill purebloods.

    Yuuki (thinking) Her? As in that ancestor woman?


    Page 20

    Kanme: Just give up on me, as if I were crazy.


    Page 21

    Yuuki: Eh…? This is …


    Page 22

    Zero: The person who drove me to what I am today, why are you still not giving up on him?

    Yuuki (thinking) A hallucination?


    Page 23

    Zero: Why won’t you give up on him?

    Yuuki: The really Zero would never accuse me like this… (thinking) This is a hallucination that Ruka made me see… While I’m seeing this, Kaname is heading towards where Sara is.


    Page 24

    Hanadagi’s servant: Let go of me! Let me take my revenge on that woman!

    Kaido: If you struggle any more, you’ll trigger the handcuffs. Calm down, she’s not someone you can take on.


    Page 25

    Kaien: What is Zero trying to do?

    Yagari: Hiding this pureblood woman from Kaname Kuran, this is crazy. Haven’t you heard about the recent rumors?

    Kaien: What rumors?

    Yagari: That purebloods don’t need to exist, despite their differences in personality. So it’ll be better to let Sara Shirabuki and Kaname Kuran kill each other. In this case…


    Page 26

    Kaien: What a malicious joke… Is everyone serious about this? As hunters with a conscience, do you feel no shame?

    Sara: Now that I’m here, what do you plan to do? There is still time, if you want to leave me to die.


    Page 27

    Ruka: Although what I did was to stop you two, I still let Yuuki-sama see a very cruel hallucination.

    Kaname: Not at all…I’m grateful for what you did.


    Page 28

    Zero: Anyone who doesn’t want to see unpleasant stuff, get out of here.


    Page 29

    Sara: Yes…I will help you with your revenge, bring destruction to Kaname Kuran, who endangers my life… (cont’d on the next page)


    Page 30

    Sara (cont’d from the previous page)…and kill that man who took everything away from you…

    Kaname: What a thing you are doing…offering Zero that tainted blood…



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    Post by norngpinky Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:47 am

    Oh my, this is such an intense chapter. I feel like my heart is breaking reading it. I wonder how this is going to play out :<
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    Post by nina Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:46 pm

    Thank you mariangie for posting the translation cheers and a bunch of thanks to senbyafanatic Very Happy

    Well the surprise that I was talking about it is verified! bounce This Yume scene was EPIC … go Yuuki! Not even the “till the death do us part” doesn’t suit in her case … she wants to die from Kaname’s hands if he is to leave her … tragic but so passionate. Vampire Knight 81! FULL RAWS!!!! AND FIRST TRANSLATION. - Page 1 3530524148

    Since long time ago I thought that Hino will make Yuuki to prove these lines that it wasn’t just words … she’ll prove her undying love for Kaname with actions.

    Yuuki: I have not given up yet! Do you still remember what you said in front of the room with the coffin, that you’d rather kill me with your own hands, or I kill you with mine, if you were going to let me go?

    Yuuki: If that’s the case, you can pierce my heart with that sword, just as you said that day…


    I guess these portions are answering on the question IF Yuuki’s feelings for Kaname had changed after the previous chapter … Razz

    Even though I’ve always wished to see Kaname “rejecting” her and being on the floors for him Twisted Evil cuz all this time she treated his love as given … now seeing her suffering and also the pain in Kaname’s eyes when he gently wiped the blood of her cheek, my heart broke *sniff*

    Said that … I'm snapping out of my fangilring mode Razz cuz except from Yuuki the two boys need help … their paths are so destructive pale pale pale … Zero is drinking from Sara and in front of the hunters affraid to gain power (I suppose) in order to kill Kaname and Kaname is heading in full speed at the HA … My God what he’s thinking??? affraid

    Zero seems to drowning in a pool of hate (his thoughts at the beginning showing a disturbed mind) which making him to go to such extremes as to drink from Sara. Even though I was sure that he’ll drink from her I also thought that she somehow will manipulate him to do so … now seems that it was his choice without further manipulation … he decides that his hate for Kaname is bigger than anything?
    I do not know if Hino is preparing any twist here but as the things seems now he has become Sara’s white knight for his own reasons ofc. Hope he is having something else in mind leaving Sara to believe that he’ll help her otherwise he is turning to be the “antagonist” even if this will be temporarily.

    On the other hand my hunch that behind Kaname’s decision to kill PBs is something bigger is reinforced from this chapter. Even if he served to Yuuki the explanation that he is fulfilling HW’s wish still he (or Hino) has to explain why he didn’t do it in the past when he was alone and decided to go into slumber instead, while now that he has Yuuki’s love is sacrificing everything?
    I suppose the scene at the mausoleum where he was hugging Yuuki with so much love plus his nightmare weren’t for decoration from Hino.
    His excuse simply doesn’t fly and since Hino has put Yuuki realizing that she is the root for Kaname’s doings I’m expecting that Yuuki will found out the truth despite Kaname’s efforts to seal it.

    And what Kaname saying in the end of the chapter??? >>

    Kaname: What a thing you are doing…offering Zero that tainted blood…


    Is he concerned about Zero???? Vampire Knight 81! FULL RAWS!!!! AND FIRST TRANSLATION. - Page 1 2555855207 (that line could be satisfying for Kanaro fans rofl ... is there still hope for a yaoi ending?? affraid rofl )

    Another thing that baffled me is how a noble vampire like Ruka had such power over a PB as Yuuki??? Vampire Knight 81! FULL RAWS!!!! AND FIRST TRANSLATION. - Page 1 2154643180 This seems to me contradictory … Plus that Kaname could easily fled away and avoid Yuuki? Anyway I’ll stop complaining cuz the scene it was more than satisfying for my Yume heart <3

    I hope Yuuki –since has realized that she is in an hallucination – that soon enough will snap out of it and rush at the HA. Maybe Aido and Maria will find and assist her??? scratch

    In the meantime … where is Takuma? Sara was alone with Zero at the HA. Could be that Shiki and Rima managed to keep Takuma? confused

    Oh yes … and Hanadagi’s guard and Kaito seemed the most grounded characters in this chapter … what a kick was that in Kaito’s face?!!! Haha … poor guy
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    Post by witlessfool Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:07 pm

    Ah well, translations are already up, there's no need for me anymore. Thanks to everyone who provided the translation and summary cheers

    Is he concerned about Zero????

    Maybe, I think Sara is up to no good and maybe, her blood is actually going to do more harm to Zero than good. If the pills were from her blood and that drove the vampires to hunt down PB blood (i.e. bite Yuuki), maybe her blood in the pure concentrated form will be worse. I didn't like the look on Zero's face as he lifted his head and muttered "annihilate"
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    Post by juliet Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:49 pm

    witlessfool wrote:Ah well, translations are already up, there's no need for me anymore. Thanks to everyone who provided the translation and summary cheers

    Is he concerned about Zero????

    Maybe, I think Sara is up to no good and maybe, her blood is actually going to do more harm to Zero than good. If the pills were from her blood and that drove the vampires to hunt down PB blood (i.e. bite Yuuki), maybe her blood in the pure concentrated form will be worse. I didn't like the look on Zero's face as he lifted his head and muttered "annihilate"


    What a comment, that's so touchy from Kaname, and so much shows his mature side...

    well about Zero I do not have to say much (or the chapter because I am in a hurry) but in a general sense he is bringing it to himself> he has fallen for the trap, caught in emotion...

    I see now how Sara shall break the Hunter Association > apparently

    there is Kaien who wants to prevent any killings

    the rest of the hunters with Yagari at the lead that do not want to take places as they consider it much easier to let Sara vs Kaname and all the action unrolled on its own

    and Zero now that wants to kill Kaname thus he is going against Kaname and in a way also against Yagari's wishes so far...

    haha perhaps at the next chapter we have a hunter's war without even touching the purebloods? > I guess another part of Sara's plan which was again a part in Asato's plan was to vanish the hunters so that nobody could resist in the domination of the human kind.

    If we see the general plan, the division of the hunters opens the road for doom...I do not know but Zero's stance is disappointing, if he can not see beyond his nose what kind of HA president is he going to make?

    that's something that if he wants to have a future he must correct but for the time being he is very far away from that...
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    Post by Persia Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:12 pm

    This is getting so dramatic, every month I can't wait for the next one.

    I wanted more Takuma though. But that's just me, heh ^___^

    I conclude that Zero has lost all of his marbles.
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    Post by rosaever Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:56 pm

    Thank you for translation and full raws.
    This chapter was I can say just WOW:
    - i almost cried on Yume scene, look in their eyes when he touched her wound, it was like what we have done that it ended that way? Sad but am I right that Hino gave us another hint that Yuuki is Kaname's past wife??
    - Zero: what it's in your heart and head? The beginning of the chapter frightened me that he really wants to join Sara. Are you so full of angry and revenge, that you even want to forget about Yuuki? And I think Kaname is suprised that Zero drank from Sara.
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    Post by mariangie Fri Mar 23, 2012 9:39 am

    For Spanish scans :

    http://submanga.com/c/151933/1



    For English version chapter 81:

    http://www.mangahere.com/manga/vampire_knight/v16/c081/

    I read both the Spanish and English ones . I have some doubt . Both versions have a different ending at the last page .

    Last page of English version says :

    Kaname : " Disgusting ... she gave her dirty blood to Zero ...
    Zero : " I'll finish him off ... "

    Same Spanish last page :


    Kaname : " Que cosa estas haciendo ... Ofreciendole a Zero tu sangre contaminada ... "


    English translation :


    Kaname : " What are you doing ... Offering Zero your contaminated blood ..."


    I like to know if the last sentence that appears spoken by Zero exists or not in the original Japanese one .


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    Post by juliet Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:08 am

    mariangie wrote:For Spanish scans :

    http://submanga.com/c/151933/1



    For English version chapter 81:

    http://www.mangahere.com/manga/vampire_knight/v16/c081/

    I read both the Spanish and English ones . I have some doubt . Both versions have a different ending at the last page .

    Last page of English version says :

    Kaname : " Disgusting ... she gave her dirty blood to Zero ...
    Zero : " I'll finish him off ... "

    Same Spanish last page :


    Kaname : " Que cosa estas haciendo ... Ofreciendole a Zero tu sangre contaminada ... "


    English translation :


    Kaname : " What are you doing ... Offering Zero your contaminated blood ..."


    I like to know if the last sentence that appears spoken by Zero exists or not in the original Japanese one .



    thank you Mariangie, If you pinpoint other differences you might as well state them..
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    Post by Yuukieee Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:22 pm

    Seriously, what are we having there? looks like Hino drew the craziest chap ever haha. I mean, Kaname's behavior looks so contraddictory to me, as if he just woke up one day like a preprogrammed cyborg willing to accomplish a mission that seemed to have gotten lost thru the centuries. It's so not Kaname-like to do something in someone's else name, he who has always been a commanding leader, now seems just to execute something to please someone else indipendently of his own will scratch wuuut?!...I would have rather preferred him to say "You keep not understandig Yuuki. This is something I MUST do for the world sake bla bla" or something like that. I cant help but remember the chap when Yuuki said to Kaname that she didnt even know whether he was still in love with her or not anymore(after peeping into Kaname's past memories about the HW) and there he answered he still did love her BUT there were feelings mixing up together...what feelings? scratch There again, seems like he woke up one day suddenly fired up with his past love feelings for the HW and so decided to quit his original planes with Yuuki.

    The only thing sounding quite reasoning to me in the whole chap is the chained woman's accusation to the Hunters...What the heck are they doing there? Are they seriously watching jaw-collapsed at Zero's bite into Sara's neck? wuuuut?!So nobody seems to care an EVIL SICK PB ia getting PROTECTION within the HA?!!LMAO I would have at least expected hot-blooded growling Jagary to do something more than just...stare Shocked

    And last but not least...The feeling I get from all the chars in this chap is that they totally failed to understand what must absolutely be done for the sake of humans safety. This Yuuki, Zero, Kaien's will to protect Sara no matter what seems just so silly to me, makes them show up as idiots in contraddiction to their past brave and honorable deeds...Are they maybe expecting to have a polite chat with Sara, possibily before a tea cup and so convice her to behave like a good girl? C'mon thats just so silly..Sorry for my bold commentary but I'm way too disappointed with this chap xD Hope next one will make "more" sense...
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    Post by Knightmare Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:32 pm

    mariangie wrote:For Spanish scans :
    For English version chapter 81:

    http://www.mangahere.com/manga/vampire_knight/v16/c081/
    English translation :


    Kaname : " What are you doing ... Offering Zero your contaminated blood ..."

    I like to know if the last sentence that appears spoken by Zero exists or not in the original Japanese one .

    thats a fast scanlation but it kinda shows. it felt like i was watching a poorly acted movie. that last page is all sara's words, senbyafanatic confirmed her translation from the chinese, which makes sense because of the black speech bubbles mean they are said by the same person and the sentence fits.
    from the scan:
    "The man who took everything away from you...I'll finish him off..."

    your spanish translation of kaname's words as almost the same as senbyafanatic's.
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    Post by Evil in love Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:08 pm

    Yuukieee wrote:Seriously, what are we having there? looks like Hino drew the craziest chap ever haha. I mean, Kaname's behavior looks so contraddictory to me, as if he just woke up one day like a preprogrammed cyborg willing to accomplish a mission that seemed to have gotten lost thru the centuries. It's so not Kaname-like to do something in someone's else name, he who has always been a commanding leader, now seems just to execute something to please someone else indipendently of his own will scratch wuuut?!...I would have rather preferred him to say "You keep not understandig Yuuki. This is something I MUST do for the world sake bla bla" or something like that. I cant help but remember the chap when Yuuki said to Kaname that she didnt even know whether he was still in love with her or not anymore(after peeping into Kaname's past memories about the HW) and there he answered he still did love her BUT there were feelings mixing up together...what feelings? scratch There again, seems like he woke up one day suddenly fired up with his past love feelings for the HW and so decided to quit his original planes with Yuuki.

    You brought this up. And I have question as well. What? He met HW in past centuries years ago. There was still no hunter and Kaname hadn't become the king yet. Basically, Kaname was the first king of vampire and he was Kuran ancestor. The story of HW was so short to give a prof of this. Why did she want to kill all PBs and how many PBs were there in that time? HW was dead before Kaname became the king...There was battle before Kaname went to slumber and why Kaname didn't fulfill her wish before he went to slumber? Or Yuuki is the HW reincarnation...it's a hunch.

    What I can see is he lied to Yuuki as last chapters to make Yuuki give up on him...It is what I see from the Eng scanlation. She was shocked and it made her stop from attacking Kaname, then Ruka could have time to make her illusion...She never thought about that, she thought all his plan was because of her.
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    Post by nina Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:43 pm

    Evil in love wrote:
    Yuukieee wrote:Seriously, what are we having there? looks like Hino drew the craziest chap ever haha. I mean, Kaname's behavior looks so contraddictory to me, as if he just woke up one day like a preprogrammed cyborg willing to accomplish a mission that seemed to have gotten lost thru the centuries. It's so not Kaname-like to do something in someone's else name, he who has always been a commanding leader, now seems just to execute something to please someone else indipendently of his own will scratch wuuut?!...I would have rather preferred him to say "You keep not understandig Yuuki. This is something I MUST do for the world sake bla bla" or something like that. I cant help but remember the chap when Yuuki said to Kaname that she didnt even know whether he was still in love with her or not anymore(after peeping into Kaname's past memories about the HW) and there he answered he still did love her BUT there were feelings mixing up together...what feelings? scratch There again, seems like he woke up one day suddenly fired up with his past love feelings for the HW and so decided to quit his original planes with Yuuki.

    You brought this up. And I have question as well. What? He met HW in past centuries years ago. There was still no hunter and Kaname hadn't become the king yet. Basically, Kaname was the first king of vampire and he was Kuran ancestor. The story of HW was so short to give a prof of this. Why did she want to kill all PBs and how many PBs were there in that time? HW was dead before Kaname became the king...There was battle before Kaname went to slumber and why Kaname didn't fulfill her wish before he went to slumber? Or Yuuki is the HW reincarnation...it's a hunch.

    What I can see is he lied to Yuuki as last chapters to make Yuuki give up on him...It is what I see from the Eng scanlation. She was shocked and it made her stop from attacking Kaname, then Ruka could have time to make her illusion...She never thought about that, she thought all his plan was because of her.


    I agree with Evil in Love here …

    But I want to clarify something … Yuukiee brought up the conversation that Yuuki and Kaname had just before he leaves the Kuran’s mansion …

    I cant help but remember the chap when Yuuki said to Kaname that she didnt even know whether he was still in love with her or not anymore(after peeping into Kaname's past memories about the HW) and there he answered he still did love her BUT there were feelings mixing up together...what feelings?

    This bolded line belongs to Yuuki and not to Kaname … is Yuuki who asks about his feelings and then she also answers to her question on her own. Kaname didn’t speak. I know that in the available scanlation this is how it is presented – as Kaname’s line – but the correct is that it is Yuuki’s line.

    From another translation >>

    Yuuki: Although I promised to become your wife when we were little I do not understand well whether you really like me or not … No … you like me but it’s mixed with various things

    Also if you note the depictions Kaname doesn’t talk and the bubbles are on Yuuki’s side as well.

    So what she says is that despite that he loves her she also picked up some various things … now that we know the development my opinion is that Yuuki sensed through his blood his decision to leave her thus and her attempt to keep him there >>

    Yuuki:Please don’t go out today … you will read books for me like when we were children and both of us will stick together … you will drink the blood you only like

    In short Yuuki sensed his contradiction or better his dead-end … from one hand his love for her and from the other his decision …

    Thus I agree with Evil in Love that Kaname lied again to Yuuki in this chapter saying that his goal to kill PBs is cuz of “HER” will, meaning the HW.
    If we didn’t know his decision in the past to not fulfill “HER” will but instead go into slumber then this explanation might have had a ground but since we know not only that he stopped in the past but also all the declarations of love to Yuuki then the logical question is WHY NOW?

    I think this is what Hino want us to question here and not Kaname’s love for Yuuki. Yes his stance was always to protect the mankind from the PBs and prior the HW … but why the rush? What is pushing him? Why he sees only a dead-end in front of him? What stopping him from killing PBs every time that a threat would be arisen and stay by Yuuki’s side? Why his certain fear that Yuuki will give up her life for something meaningless? All these questions simply cannot be answered by the line > “is HER wish to kill the PBs”.

    And let’s make a hypothesis here since we do not know the whole truth … What IF Kaname is killing the PBs because he wants to save Yuuki’s life and his plan is leading him to death? … Could he ever say that to Yuuki? Would ever Yuuki accept something like that? How would be her life after Kaname’s death/sacrifice?
    Why Hino showed us his nightmare just before he goes at the Academy where he knew what he was bound to say to her? Why the previous chapter with the title “Love confessions” started with him holding tightly Yuuki in his arms murmuring that he must kill the PBs?
    Why we do not know anything about his past; and I mean how he made the Kuran family? If the HW was his wife in the past and the progenitor of the Kuran family why he didn’t disclose that to Yuuki?
    Wouldn’t be easier then to convey the message that the HW is more important to him than Yuuki and crush her feelings on the spot???

    Many, many questions that if someone wants to doubt about Kaname’s unconditional love for Yuuki must answer first.
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    Post by Yuukieee Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:49 pm

    This bolded line belongs to Yuuki and not to Kaname … is Yuuki who asks about his feelings and then she also answers to her question on her own. Kaname didn’t speak. I know that in the available scanlation this is how it is presented – as Kaname’s line – but the correct is that it is Yuuki’s line.

    Thanks for clarifying those lines, nina. I'm definitely not doubting about Kaname's unconditional love for Yuuki. What I'm stating in my previous post is just my personal disagreement with the way Hino is making Kaname act. Even if many of us might agree on the lie about the "it's HER wish" thing, I still find quite irritating the way Kaname is not being the one he used to in previous chaps. He's being chaotic with his absurd answers to such an extent that if I were his fiancé (*drools uncontrollably)I would totally get mad at his way of treating me like an idiot. What's with his claiming "just think of me as if I was crazy"? wuuut?? would that be the most brilliant escape solution he got under that circumstance?XD Seriously, that's a subtle insult to Yuuki's intelligence and that's so not Kaname like scratch

    If we didn’t know his decision in the past to not fulfill “HER” will but instead go into slumber then this explanation might have had a ground but since we know not only that he stopped in the past but also all the declarations of love to Yuuki then the logical question is WHY NOW?

    ..and there is where my idea of cybo-Kaname came from. We've been given so little info about his past, the war fought vs PBs and his quick, unexpected decision to put an end to all this right when he could fufil his dream to enjoy Yuuki's love for the rest of his life. The many things Hino keeps hiding from us are casting a chaotic shadow on Kaname, who in this chap(and this is just my humble opinion) lost bits of his charming byronic hero aura and thats a shame. I would expect some better pondered answer/explanation from someone given with such a brilliant mind.
    The goal of lying again to Yuuki might reside in his will to push her further back so she would prolly suffer less if he was to die eventually (?). BUT in that case he could of have been more rough in order to better crush her feelings and cause her to give up on him. Dunno, just many questions and a chaotic plot to handle with scratch
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    Post by norngpinky Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:07 pm

    Yeah, with the bubbles, sometimes I find it hard to really distinguish who is talking as well. I have to look and look, back and forth and connecting lines or otherwise to figure it out.

    For the current chapter, did anyone skip a heart beat when Kaname extended his hand to touch where he had cut a mark on Yuki's face?

    I did. I thought it was so sad and I can only wish it won't turn out to be a tragic ending for Yume. Of course, I have high hope but Kaname seems to want to continue his original goal with HW -- Like how he was about to sacrifice himself at the time. He could be planning that now, but he'd be stupid to truly think Yuki will be fine if he was to die.

    And about Sara's blood... Could it be that while it will give Zero's powers to fight Kaname it will also harm him? Or is Kaname speaking metaphorically? I'm actually leaning towards the former, but I'm not sure.


    And speaking of Ruka, do you think something will happen to her? I feel like Hino is trying to foreshadow something about her and Kain. I'm hoping nothing bad >.>
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    The problem with Zero for now is his hate for vampires is greater than anything . Except for his hate for pureblood vampires . But is hate for Kaname is the greatest .

    For Zero accepting he is in love with a pureblood vampire ( Kaname's " sister " / relative ; the guy he hates more in the world no less . ) has to be a nightmare .

    Zero is trying to comfort himself about his loss of Yuuki because she returned to vampire as she is dead . To make him suffer less .

    But even if Zero is denying the existance of Yuuki in his heart . He has to be not so stubborn to notice she is not only alive . But the same Yuuki as before . As Yuuki is Yuuki , the vampire or the human one are the same . That's why he said her eyes look him in the same way .

    A problem here is that Zero's hate for vampires is so deep inside him . Than his fear of losing the few humanity remains is so great . Zero would never accept himself as vampire . Less accept Yuuki as one . He wil not accept his love for the actual Yuuki , the " pureblood vampire princess " . Only for the "dead human " Yuuki . So even if Zero did continue to love Yuuki ; he will continue to say she is dead for him .


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    About the Ruka's illusion part :

    Actually is not so crazy to think Ruka could be the one who created the illusion of Kaname killing Aido - dono .

    I had read from some posters before that have doubts if Kaname killed Aido - dono or it was only a trick .

    Now is confirmed at chapter 81 that part of Ruka's power is to create elaborated illusions . That are supposed to be believed by almost anybody .

    There was this part of Ruka and Kain not being so affected as expected for the death of their favorite uncle . Only worried about Hanabusa well-being ( and also not as worried as expected ) .

    Kaname appears to desire keeping Yuuki , Hanabusa and Kaien Cross from messing with his plans . Or to any of them passing to his side . Because Kaname is worried about the safety of the people who believe most in him . ( The exception here is Ruka . Kaname couldn't make her change her mind in any way possible . )

    Kaname needed an easy way to escape .

    And the most important reason of all : Kaname wants to be seen as the greatest villain in existance . That his actions are the ones of a madman ( his words , not mine ) . He is planning to become a scapegoat . Kill all purebloods , them let Yuuki kill him . Letting Yuuki as the only survivor .

    It 's now not impossible to think Kaname and Ruka planned to make Cross , Hanabusa and Yuuki believe they see Kaname killing Aido - dono .

    Why any of the present didn't notice it was an illusion is not so difficult to explain . Hanabusa was in shock to see his beloved father killed . He would believed anything he saw at that time . Yuuki ran as quick as she could after Kaname . Cross notice and left after Yuuki a few seconds after . So both Yuuki and Cross left the place in a rush . No one of them could had stay long enough to notice anything wrong from the scene . Also non - purebloods vampires only turn into dust . The evidence could be lost after they leave . And there is a strong possibility than nobody of the presents returned to Hanadagi's Castle to look for the dust remaings of Aido - dono .


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    The issue about Kaname's past and his promise to HW is not exactly if he did that promise or not . But what happened in the past that made Kaname quit his promise and end the Pureblood War . Allowing a few purebloods ' clans to live . This is the important information being hidden by Hino yet . Who could made Kaname change his mind in the past . And what happened to than person .

    Kaname's promise for HW wasn't made for romantic ideals of both as a loving couple . ( Except if you want to consider your mate suicide for the cause ; then mass murder and killing yourself after murdering everybody as romantic love . ) It was made because they both had the same romantic desire of saving humans from extintion . Even if that implied killing all the members of their race . So that plan had nothing to do with Kaname's romantic feelings for HW . But for his feelings of keeping humans out of harms ways .
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    Post by nina Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:47 pm

    Yuukieee wrote: Thanks for clarifying those lines, nina. I'm definitely not doubting about Kaname's unconditional love for Yuuki.

    You’re welcome Very Happy
    And I definitely didn’t doubt your devotion to Kaname dear sLo_BigBearHug

    What I'm stating in my previous post is just my personal disagreement with the way Hino is making Kaname act. Even if many of us might agree on the lie about the "it's HER wish" thing, I still find quite irritating the way Kaname is not being the one he used to in previous chaps. He's being chaotic with his absurd answers to such an extent that if I were his fiancé (*drools uncontrollably)I would totally get mad at his way of treating me like an idiot. What's with his claiming "just think of me as if I was crazy"? wuuut?? would that be the most brilliant escape solution he got under that circumstance?XD Seriously, that's a subtle insult to Yuuki's intelligence and that's so not Kaname like

    Same here *sigh* … I was in that state with the previous chapter more … certainly Hino makes many characters to seem OOC. I know is so frustrating … look what she had done to Takuma!!!! I was wondering … is she trashing all that we knew thus far???
    But also what I noticed is that this is exactly what Shiki said to him … the Ichijou that I know would never do that lol
    So maybe she is preparing something that will explain all this madness or else I will start seriously to questioning if all the characters are taking Sara’s tabs or drugs or if all that is a huge hallucination hahaha

    Well I agree about Kaname … I would be mad too … he is serving BS and lame lies to Yuuki thus I found her frustration justified when she said that she wanted to slap him or now in this chapter …
    But on the other hand Yuuki doesn’t know what we know as readers plus his artificial explanations is the reason of why I believe that something bigger is behind all this, that Kaname trying to cover.

    My opinion is that Hino is trying to prove all the words that Yuuki has said about her love for him in unsuspected moments as valid >>

    - I wouldn’t mind even if he betray me
    - I love your tainted hands … taint me too
    - You can do whatever you want to me etc …

    So now Hino presents Kaname seemingly to do all these things to her and her sticking upon her words. It requires so much strength and faith to not be crushed from his sayings but synchronously if Yuuki’s love is what will save Kaname in the end it must be such a GRANDE love that defies everything.

    Another thing that I noticed … when Kaname asked her how she sees him … she said that he is weak somewhere and a liar. And while I always saw Kaname as very weak emotionally (especially when it comes to Yuuki) however I wondered why Yuuki calling him a liar? Back then Kaname didn’t lie to her … he had kept many secrets from her yes but he didn’t lie.
    So now I see that Hino deliberately had put Yuuki to say this cuz she was preparing the stage for the future i.e. for now where Kaname indeed lies. Thus Yuuki would not believe in him and try to find out the truth by herself.

    Well this is my interpretation of what Hino might have in mind lol.

    The goal of lying again to Yuuki might reside in his will to push her further back so she would prolly suffer less if he was to die eventually (?). BUT in that case he could of have been more rough in order to better crush her feelings and cause her to give up on him. Dunno, just many questions and a chaotic plot to handle with

    Yes … but I’m also thinking what is this causing to him (I can’t help it Embarassed ) … when Yuuki is hurt his pain is double and when this pain is caused by him I could not even start imagine how torn is inside … he who the only that he wanted is to see Yuuki’s happy smile! How to be rougher to her? This is killing him already T_T
    Thus it doesn’t fly his reasoning that he is fulfilling HW’s wish … would he ever hurt so much Yuuki for a dead woman? How could we ever believe that?

    As norngpinky says >>

    norngpinky wrote: For the current chapter, did anyone skip a heart beat when Kaname extended his hand to touch where he had cut a mark on Yuki's face?

    I did. I thought it was so sad and I can only wish it won't turn out to be a tragic ending for Yume.

    I did too … not only one skip but my heart was broken … the sorrowful look in their eyes says it all … no words is needed. So heartbreaking but also so promising that such love can conquer anything! At least this is what my heart feels. wub

    but he'd be stupid to truly think Yuki will be fine if he was to die.


    Exactly! Baka Kaname … where are you leaving her??? T_T
    But this is what makes me think and worry also that what Kaname is choosing now is an alive and hurt Yuuki rather than a dead Yuuki pale

    And about Sara's blood... Could it be that while it will give Zero's powers to fight Kaname it will also harm him? Or is Kaname speaking metaphorically? I'm actually leaning towards the former, but I'm not sure.

    Mmm... I do not know if Kaname speaks metaphorically; but certainly Sara’s blood is not for good … we know what it has caused to the NC and to Takuma. Her blood also contains the powers from Hanadagi which my idea is that have something to do with the trance that the NC was in … her blood interfered to their emotions and deprived them from their logic. And right now Zero isn’t in the best state emotionally.
    So I’m also afraid that her blood is dangerous for him too and the implications might not be so simple.
    My mind went to the “monster” that woke inside of him when he devoured Ichirou and the blood of Yuuki and Kaname had started to affect him … but now Sara’s blood is evil so? pale Maybe this also will lead to Yuuki using the bracelet on him ... just a thought scratch

    However I do believe that Zero will be okay in the end … meanwhile Hino will torture us though.

    mariangie wrote: About the Ruka's illusion part :

    Actually is not so crazy to think Ruka could be the one who created the illusion of Kaname killing Aido - dono .

    I had read from some posters before that have doubts if Kaname killed Aido - dono or it was only a trick .

    Now is confirmed at chapter 81 that part of Ruka's power is to create elaborated illusions . That are supposed to be believed by almost anybody .

    There was this part of Ruka and Kain not being so affected as expected for the death of their favorite uncle . Only worried about Hanabusa well-being ( and also not as worried as expected ) .

    Kaname appears to desire keeping Yuuki , Hanabusa and Kaien Cross from messing with his plans . Or to any of them passing to his side . Because Kaname is worried about the safety of the people who believe most in him . ( The exception here is Ruka . Kaname couldn't make her change her mind in any way possible . )

    Kaname needed an easy way to escape .

    And the most important reason of all : Kaname wants to be seen as the greatest villain in existance . That his actions are the ones of a madman ( his words , not mine ) . He is planning to become a scapegoat . Kill all purebloods , them let Yuuki kill him . Letting Yuuki as the only survivor .

    It 's now not impossible to think Kaname and Ruka planned to make Cross , Hanabusa and Yuuki believe they see Kaname killing Aido - dono .

    Nice idea … and if I may add another reason here … is that Sara should believe that Aido-dono is dead because he was a witness of her doings and also she disclosed to him that she was the one who killed Ouri … so she deffo would have pursued Aido-dono or even killed him.

    The issue about Kaname's past and his promise to HW is not exactly if he did that promise or not . But what happened in the past that made Kaname quit his promise and end the Pureblood War . Allowing a few purebloods ' clans to live . This is the important information being hidden by Hino yet . Who could made Kaname change his mind in the past . And what happened to than person .

    Kaname's promise for HW wasn't made for romantic ideals of both as a loving couple . ( Except if you want to consider your mate suicide for the cause ; then mass murder and killing yourself after murdering everybody as romantic love . ) It was made because they both had the same romantic desire of saving humans from extintion . Even if that implied killing all the members of their race . So that plan had nothing to do with Kaname's romantic feelings for HW . But for his feelings of keeping humans out of harms ways .

    Totally agree!!! cheers And the bolded part is what in my opinion opens the window to Kaname’s past that is unknown to us and to Yuuki as well (^.~)
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    Post by juliet Sat Mar 24, 2012 2:18 pm

    And about Sara's blood... Could it be that while it will give Zero's powers to fight Kaname it will also harm him? Or is Kaname speaking metaphorically? I'm actually leaning towards the former, but I'm not sure.


    I do not know how far we can estimate Sara's blood effects on Zero; my main grasp of what we've seen so far with the night class and Takuma is that she uses Zero's personal feelings as a bait>

    with the promise that she will lend him power to take his revenge on Kaname, she is actually alluring him in making her an obedient weapon to her hands actually against who ever she wishes.

    So the implications can be many...
    example what if after taking her blood Sara's interest is not to finish Kaname (because she still has job to do annihilate the rest of purebloods and since she is in the association and Touma is there...if Kaname flees), will Zero submit to her call?

    This is what i am afraid most..that he can be her lethal weapon from now on, for whoever she might choose and not that much that Zero shall be able to take his revenge on Kaname.

    A part of my understanding says that Zero has been manipulated in believing Sara because he misses vital info: example...Shizuka was released BUT her lover was alive > therefore Kaname's intention to free her was not directed to Kiruy's, it was a misfortune event that occurred AFTER Rido change the list > at least that's what is confirmed so far...

    Hunting down Kaname for that (if Zero learned the thruth ) is insane, therefore there his intentions of seeking revenge might change if he discovers the route of events that led to his parent's death, but now after taking Sara's blood will he be able to pull back, will he still have his own will and independence?

    There is a great implication here and I think that's the important event happening in this chapter> along with the prominent division of the hunters.

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    Post by Shoujo-Zo18 Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:37 pm

    what do you guys think about Kaname's bony right hand? o.O It was shown a lot more in this chapter and at one point i thought it might have looked like burnt flesh... like the skin was trying to regenerate but couldn't. Is it because of that sword?? o.O
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    Post by andy-san Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:40 am

    Ok guys.... This chapter was intense.... But as I was reading your posts something just popped into my mind...
    Ok seeing Ruka doing all this complicated illusion thing on Yuuki made me remember the first 5 pages of last chapter, where Ruka is looking at Kaname, which is holding Yuuki at the "Mausoleum", when (for looking at the clothes and well, it was the only time when Yuuki was there) Yuuki starts looking into Kaname's past. However, what if his "memories" weren't actually his memories but an illusion made by Ruka?! And now looking at the conversation they had, it is starting to make sense to me (when I read it I had no clue what Ruka was talking about)! How Ruka says he is cruel and all that! And how he couldn't tell Yuuki the truth! Maybe Kaname wanted Yuuki to see those distorted memories so Yuuki will think that she has everything figured out at the moment, and start trusting Kaname even more, when in reality is all fake!

    Now about Zero... Man! poor thing! I understand his wanting of revenge! I mean, if it wasnt for Kaname's "evil" plan then Zero could have been with his family, his brother, and be a normal kid, right!? But Kaname took everything away from him! However, what he is doing for Sara is absolutely stupid! Because as far as I know, Sara can control those people who drank her blood pretty much like puppets.... So my conclusion is, maybe Sara is planning for Zero to drink her blood, killed Kaname, and also, because of all the mixed and confused feelings of love-hatred, Zero will end up killing Yuuki! Therefore, leaving out of the way two of the biggest nuisances that Sara could have on her way to be the "queen".

    Other thing that gets me confused was the Takuma-shiki scene! I mean what the heck is Ichijo going to do!? Where is going!? Why isnt he with Sara!? aaaaaah so confusing!! bouncing

    This chapter was intense!! everytime I read new chapters I just feel more and more confused!
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    Post by mariangie Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:49 am

    andy-san wrote:Ok guys.... This chapter was intense.... But as I was reading your posts something just popped into my mind...
    Ok seeing Ruka doing all this complicated illusion thing on Yuuki made me remember the first 5 pages of last chapter, where Ruka is looking at Kaname, which is holding Yuuki at the "Mausoleum", when (for looking at the clothes and well, it was the only time when Yuuki was there) Yuuki starts looking into Kaname's past. However, what if his "memories" weren't actually his memories but an illusion made by Ruka?! And now looking at the conversation they had, it is starting to make sense to me (when I read it I had no clue what Ruka was talking about)! How Ruka says he is cruel and all that! And how he couldn't tell Yuuki the truth! Maybe Kaname wanted Yuuki to see those distorted memories so Yuuki will think that she has everything figured out at the moment, and start trusting Kaname even more, when in reality is all fake!

    Now about Zero... Man! poor thing! I understand his wanting of revenge! I mean, if it wasnt for Kaname's "evil" plan then Zero could have been with his family, his brother, and be a normal kid, right!? But Kaname took everything away from him! However, what he is doing for Sara is absolutely stupid! Because as far as I know, Sara can control those people who drank her blood pretty much like puppets.... So my conclusion is, maybe Sara is planning for Zero to drink her blood, killed Kaname, and also, because of all the mixed and confused feelings of love-hatred, Zero will end up killing Yuuki! Therefore, leaving out of the way two of the biggest nuisances that Sara could have on her way to be the "queen".

    Other thing that gets me confused was the Takuma-shiki scene! I mean what the heck is Ichijo going to do!? Where is going!? Why isnt he with Sara!? aaaaaah so confusing!! bouncing

    This chapter was intense!! everytime I read new chapters I just feel more and more confused!

    It's no impossible Ruka used her ilusions over Yuuki more than one time . But I doubt Ruka would had planned to use an ilusion over Yuuki the time Kaname and Yuuki were at the amusoleum . Don't see what Kaname need to manipulate from Yuuki's visions at that moment . As he has the intention to leave her all along . That was the purpose of the rose . He intended to say goodbye then . But changed opinion for a little bit of time .

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    About Zero's tragedy :

    The only way the whole tragedy would be prevented was if the HW don't created the vampire hunters nor vampires weapons . Nor the existance of the vampire hunters' curse started somewhere . Or more drastic : if no purebloods were ever born .

    Even if Shizuka never killed Zero's parents . Nor messed with Ichiru's . Nor Kaname influenciated directly or indirectly with Zero's parents death . There was the intrinsic problem of Ichiru never being happy with his family . Ichiru was affected by the hunters' curse of survived being devoured byb Zero intra - uterus . He was discarted as the weak , ill boy who never will be a hunter . The poor boy to be pittied . A mark that would follow him forever until his death .

    Of course the story would be different . But Ichiru wanted revenge for being considered weak . There were a lot of possibilities of Ichiru's actions . He could done nothing and die young . Or he could became a psycho killer of his own family during their sleep . Or planned to bomb the vampire hunters headquarters when older . Could make Zero so guilty of being the one responsable of his illness and Zero decided to act as a babysitter for his brother forever . Or any other crazy stuff . But most of this stuff would never made Zero happy .

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    About what Sara want from Zero :

    For now is easy . Kill Kaname who is her biggest impediment to become Vampire Queen .

    But there are additional stuff . As Sara wants to create chaos . Getting Zero and Kaname fight , she could expect one or both to be dead at the end . But making the original vampire who was supposed to govern vampires and the future vampire hunter president kill each other waould create a lot of chaos . No goverment . Easier for her to try to take control .

    In her desire for chaos , being Zero and Yuuki in opposite bands . Or both against Kaname would be very fun to watch . Or see Zero struggle for not getting what he desires from Yuuki . Mega fun for her .

    Asm she had said for a long time . Zero as her protector / White Vampire Knight . The one she could use to kill any pureblood vampire who oppose her if Kaname dies .

    Maybe the funniest for Sara could be order Zero to kill Yuuki . As Yuuki appears to be a cub lioness . But Sara could sense Yuuki could become a menace against her . There is no way Sara could kill Yuuki . Unless she uses the strongest vampire hunter alive .


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