zeki after 83

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i had to re-edit it as i myself found it really stupid.so now my ques is,can zeki in future chapters become a romantic couple or like a lovey dovey main couple??

i too agree, because of all that's going on, i think that zeki is on its way to being 'real' and yume still needs some 'fixer-uppers'.

darkwolf123 wrote:i too agree, because of all that's going on, i think that zeki is on its way to being 'real' and yume still needs some 'fixer-uppers'.

Zeki are on the same side now, supporting each other and both having the same objective. There isn't really much to happen for their relationship to become "romantic" (There'd have to be a confession or two...) Plus Zero needs to accept her as a Pureblood (Which I think that he does.)

Yume on the other hand, have a lot to figure out. Yuki will have to forgive him for his sins and love him besides his flaws and his complicated past.

Maybe Kaname plans on going back to her after his plan is complete? But why does he always look so...Lifeless and sad?
And Zero too... Maybe because he feels he'll never get to have Yuki? Poooor Guys!!!

Right now both couples of becoming endgame is 50/50. Hino just has a lot to tie up...Hino is unpredictable, so don't give up on your ships people!!!

SassyKnight wrote:

Zeki are on the same side now, supporting each other and both having the same objective.

Does they have the same objective? In my knownledge zero tries to kill kaname while yuuki wants to stop kaname but keeping him alive.

Zero said to yuuki in 83 that they have the same goal, however, zero's previous moves - attacking kaname with the intention to kill - proves that he doesn't have the same objective as yuuki; thus zero is using yuuki in the benefit of his revenge.

aya-chan wrote:

SassyKnight wrote:

Zeki are on the same side now, supporting each other and both having the same objective.

Does they have the same objective? In my knownledge zero tries to kill kaname while yuuki wants to stop kaname but keeping him alive.

Zero said to yuuki in 83 that they have the same goal, however, zero's previous moves - attacking kaname with the intention to kill - proves that he doesn't have the same objective as yuuki; thus zero is using yuuki in the benefit of his revenge.

thats it,i think he is using yuuki to make her against kaname so that he can take his revenge,obviously he is white side of chess.

aya-chan wrote:Does they have the same objective? In my knownledge zero tries to kill kaname while yuuki wants to stop kaname but keeping him alive.

Zero said to yuuki in 83 that they have the same goal, however, zero's previous moves - attacking kaname with the intention to kill - proves that he doesn't have the same objective as yuuki; thus zero is using yuuki in the benefit of his revenge.

It does seem like Zero is using Yuuki, but I don't think he is or can for that matter. I don't think he really expect Yuuki to help him kill Kaname, or that she would help him kill Kaname. Although some Zekis seem to think so.

I mean, when Zero tried to tell Yuuki how dirty Kaname was Yuuki was going "my Kaname" the minute Kaname appeared. Besides, Yuuki's the one who asked if it's ok to fight along side Zero. Even if Zero plans to deal the final blow and take his revenge once Yuuki catches Kaname...I don't think Yuuki would let him.

ButterflyWingsx wrote:

aya-chan wrote:Does they have the same objective? In my knownledge zero tries to kill kaname while yuuki wants to stop kaname but keeping him alive.

Zero said to yuuki in 83 that they have the same goal, however, zero's previous moves - attacking kaname with the intention to kill - proves that he doesn't have the same objective as yuuki; thus zero is using yuuki in the benefit of his revenge.

It does seem like Zero is using Yuuki, but I don't think he is or can for that matter. I don't think he really expect Yuuki to help him kill Kaname, or that she would help him kill Kaname. Although some Zekis seem to think so.

I mean, when Zero tried to tell Yuuki how dirty Kaname was Yuuki was going "my Kaname" the minute Kaname appeared. Besides, Yuuki's the one who asked if it's ok to fight along side Zero. Even if Zero plans to deal the final blow and take his revenge once Yuuki catches Kaname...I don't think Yuuki would let him.

i agree it doesn't look as though zero is using yuuki because i think he trusts her enough not to have another reason to pair with her other than to take down/stop kaname .
and if/when yuuki does finally capture kaname i would like to think that zero would try and deal the final blow causing Yuuki's interference and try to talk him out of it ... maybe ... anyway that's what i would like to think.

aya-chan wrote:

SassyKnight wrote:

Zeki are on the same side now, supporting each other and both having the same objective.

Does they have the same objective? In my knownledge zero tries to kill kaname while yuuki wants to stop kaname but keeping him alive.

Zero said to yuuki in 83 that they have the same goal, however, zero's previous moves - attacking kaname with the intention to kill - proves that he doesn't have the same objective as yuuki; thus zero is using yuuki in the benefit of his revenge.

If Zero is using Yuuki, then Yuuki is using Zero as well. She knows she cannot stop Kaname on her own and therefore asked to stay beside Zero... she has fought beside him in the past and she knows they can get it done, and even if Zero wants to kill Kaname, I believe he can somewhat quench that urge in the fight to stop him and maybe simply incapacitate him enough to where they can imprison and question him. Even this will take a lot of effort... and I believe it's probably what Yuuki wants... to be able to know once and for all why Kaname has done all this and whether he still has good in him.

i think after ch 83 zero is getting back to his romantic feelings for yuuki.

i hate love triangles specially in mangas which release their chapters so late. he he he.....

kanamekuranlover wrote:i think after ch 83 zero is getting back to his romantic feelings for yuuki.

i hate love triangles specially in mangas which release their chapters so late. he he he.....

i can see his romantic feelings are rising again in his heart.thats why sara when told him that killing kaname will give him yuuki he realized that it will cause exactly opposite thing and yuuki will hate him forever so abandoned the idea of killing kaname no matter how much he wanted to though he couldn't even touch him if kaname sama did not wanted that.
its on yuuki now,hope she realizes who she actually loves.

lucykaede wrote:

kanamekuranlover wrote:i think after ch 83 zero is getting back to his romantic feelings for yuuki.

i hate love triangles specially in mangas which release their chapters so late. he he he.....

i can see his romantic feelings are rising again in his heart.thats why sara when told him that killing kaname will give him yuuki he realized that it will cause exactly opposite thing and yuuki will hate him forever so abandoned the idea of killing kaname no matter how much he wanted to though he couldn't even touch him if kaname sama did not wanted that.
its on yuuki now,hope she realizes who she actually loves.

Exactly what I bolded is what happened at chapter 84 . Many people had interpreted this different due to the problem wiht translation of the English online version . Zero planned to kill Kaname for revenge . Sara gave Zero reasons and motivation for doing so . Zero tried a first time to kill Kaname without success . Zero has a second opportunity to kill Kaname . Sara told him if Zero killed Kaname , he would obtain what was in front of him . Sara pointed to Yuuki ; who was in front of Zero . The thing Zero desired the most , Yuuki . Zero noticed if he indeed killed Kaname ; Yuuki will never forgive him ; so Zero stopped .

Of course Zero has not forget his love feelings for Yuuki . Sara was clear to remaind Zero his heart desires Yuuki the most . Zero just tried to deny what he feels . Freezing his heart in the process . This is why the LT continues . But the one who is going to eventually make the final choice will be Yuuki . Not Zero nor Kaname .

Exactly what I bolded is what happened at chapter 84 . Many people had interpreted this different due to the problem wiht translation of the English online version . Zero planned to kill Kaname for revenge . Sara gave Zero reasons and motivation for doing so . Zero tried a first time to kill Kaname without success . Zero has a second opportunity to kill Kaname . Sara told him if Zero killed Kaname , he would obtain what was in front of him . Sara pointed to Yuuki ; who was in front of Zero . The thing Zero desired the most , Yuuki . Zero noticed if he indeed killed Kaname ; Yuuki will never forgive him ; so Zero stopped .

Interesting, I never thought of that piece in this way...mainly because i thought that Sara referred to Zero getting his revenge. But even show i can not see how if he killed Kaname, Yuuki would be automatically his> meaning Sara's testament is not realistic at all.

I have no idea what to interpret and how, too much translation confusion i guess? maybe...you are right..

But the one who is going to eventually make the final choice will be Yuuki . Not Zero nor Kaname .

Haha, at the current point though the decision is up to Kaname, isn't it? because Yuuki with her saying clearly showed that she wants him to stop what he is doing and return back to her> it's Kaname that does not cut off right now, even though i want to see what shall happen in the continuation...

what happened to her slapping idea? it seemed good!

juliet wrote:

what happened to her slapping idea? it seemed good!

That's what i thought about that's why Hino put the line on Yuuki, she could do with it. I hope to see that. For now, everything it's up to Kaname, not Yuuki anymore and I don't really see anything relate to Zero as well. But what I see currently that Zekis think Yume all is broken already, do we read the same manga?

Evil in love wrote:

juliet wrote:

what happened to her slapping idea? it seemed good!

That's what i thought about that's why Hino put the line on Yuuki, she could do with it. I hope to see that. For now, everything it's up to Kaname, not Yuuki anymore and I don't really see anything relate to Zero as well. But what I see currently that Zekis think Yume all is broken already, do we read the same manga?

if yume is broken what zeki is? chapters now...zero and yuuki are stagnant, and if these two can rekindle a relationship, imagine what yume can do...apparently the game goes on, but this time i think that the weight falls on Kaname's shoulder to keep up acting all the same and breaking their love or stop here and let Yuuki be at his side again.

the point is Kaname's attitude that despite wanting and loving her so much has demands to see him as a crazy man and forget about him...yes right...> these things do not happen over one day!

Great expectations he has . I am laughing about it though in reality its' quite illogical for him to act in this way> he is hiding something and suffering over that.

As for Zero i think that now is more focused on his revenge than Yuuki. I do not know how he views her feelings> he never also showed her (at the last chapters) that he wants something more than being allies for a little while and under the circumstances...

Could he go from this point to kissing her and openly claiming her all of the sudden? Even so at the current point it would be like Yuuki going to him out of despair and bitterness for Kaname's attitude; which would not be fair to Zero.

juliet wrote:

Evil in love wrote:

juliet wrote:

what happened to her slapping idea? it seemed good!

That's what i thought about that's why Hino put the line on Yuuki, she could do with it. I hope to see that. For now, everything it's up to Kaname, not Yuuki anymore and I don't really see anything relate to Zero as well. But what I see currently that Zekis think Yume all is broken already, do we read the same manga?

if yume is broken what zeki is? chapters now...zero and yuuki are stagnant, and if these two can rekindle a relationship, imagine what yume can do...apparently the game goes on, but this time i think that the weight falls on Kaname's shoulder to keep up acting all the same and breaking their love or stop here and let Yuuki be at his side again.

the point is Kaname's attitude that despite wanting and loving her so much has demands to see him as a crazy man and forget about him...yes right...> these things do not happen over one day!

Great expectations he has . I am laughing about it though in reality its' quite illogical for him to act in this way> he is hiding something and suffering over that.

As for Zero i think that now is more focused on his revenge than Yuuki. I do not know how he views her feelings> he never also showed her (at the last chapters) that he wants something more than being allies for a little while and under the circumstances...

Could he go from this point to kissing her and openly claiming her all of the sudden? Even so at the current point it would be like Yuuki going to him out of despair and bitterness for Kaname's attitude; which would not be fair to Zero.

I'm waiting for the slapping action . Since forever !!!!!!


It's true Zero has being driven by his revenge desires against Kaname for most of the second arc . But Sara did knew Zero wanted Yuuki as his main love interest . So is not so farfetch to think Sara motivated Zero to kill 2 birds with one stone .

Zero killing Kaname = Zero getting his revenge and the woman he desires for lover in one single step .

mariangie wrote:

juliet wrote:

Evil in love wrote:

That's what i thought about that's why Hino put the line on Yuuki, she could do with it. I hope to see that. For now, everything it's up to Kaname, not Yuuki anymore and I don't really see anything relate to Zero as well. But what I see currently that Zekis think Yume all is broken already, do we read the same manga?

if yume is broken what zeki is? chapters now...zero and yuuki are stagnant, and if these two can rekindle a relationship, imagine what yume can do...apparently the game goes on, but this time i think that the weight falls on Kaname's shoulder to keep up acting all the same and breaking their love or stop here and let Yuuki be at his side again.

the point is Kaname's attitude that despite wanting and loving her so much has demands to see him as a crazy man and forget about him...yes right...> these things do not happen over one day!

Great expectations he has . I am laughing about it though in reality its' quite illogical for him to act in this way> he is hiding something and suffering over that.

As for Zero i think that now is more focused on his revenge than Yuuki. I do not know how he views her feelings> he never also showed her (at the last chapters) that he wants something more than being allies for a little while and under the circumstances...

Could he go from this point to kissing her and openly claiming her all of the sudden? Even so at the current point it would be like Yuuki going to him out of despair and bitterness for Kaname's attitude; which would not be fair to Zero.

I'm waiting for the slapping action . Since forever !!!!!!


It's true Zero has being driven by his revenge desires against Kaname for most of the second arc . But Sara did knew Zero wanted Yuuki as his main love interest . So is not so farfetch to think Sara motivated Zero to kill 2 birds with one stone .

Zero killing Kaname = Zero getting his revenge and the woman he desires for lover in one single step .

yes but will yuuki able to forget kaname for zero?
this is a main question.if kaname dies or leaves her forever will she be able to move on?

kanamekuranlover wrote:

mariangie wrote:

juliet wrote:

if yume is broken what zeki is? chapters now...zero and yuuki are stagnant, and if these two can rekindle a relationship, imagine what yume can do...apparently the game goes on, but this time i think that the weight falls on Kaname's shoulder to keep up acting all the same and breaking their love or stop here and let Yuuki be at his side again.

the point is Kaname's attitude that despite wanting and loving her so much has demands to see him as a crazy man and forget about him...yes right...> these things do not happen over one day!

Great expectations he has . I am laughing about it though in reality its' quite illogical for him to act in this way> he is hiding something and suffering over that.

As for Zero i think that now is more focused on his revenge than Yuuki. I do not know how he views her feelings> he never also showed her (at the last chapters) that he wants something more than being allies for a little while and under the circumstances...

Could he go from this point to kissing her and openly claiming her all of the sudden? Even so at the current point it would be like Yuuki going to him out of despair and bitterness for Kaname's attitude; which would not be fair to Zero.

I'm waiting for the slapping action . Since forever !!!!!!


It's true Zero has being driven by his revenge desires against Kaname for most of the second arc . But Sara did knew Zero wanted Yuuki as his main love interest . So is not so farfetch to think Sara motivated Zero to kill 2 birds with one stone .

Zero killing Kaname = Zero getting his revenge and the woman he desires for lover in one single step .

yes but will yuuki able to forget kaname for zero?
this is a main question.if kaname dies or leaves her forever will she be able to move on?

My short answer is : NO !!

Long answer :

Even after Kaname has done all those things worthy of a villain . Yuuki can't forget Kaname and move on with her life . Until now , Yuuki's main purpose has being stop Kaname from his evil way . Additionally the only person Kaname will allow to kill him is Yuuki . So unless the story finds a very strong reason for killing Kaname without Yuuki ending with guilty feelings and / or with a frozen heart . It would be very difficult for her to accept Zero as consolation prize .

mariangie wrote:

kanamekuranlover wrote:

mariangie wrote:


I'm waiting for the slapping action . Since forever !!!!!!


It's true Zero has being driven by his revenge desires against Kaname for most of the second arc . But Sara did knew Zero wanted Yuuki as his main love interest . So is not so farfetch to think Sara motivated Zero to kill 2 birds with one stone .

Zero killing Kaname = Zero getting his revenge and the woman he desires for lover in one single step .

yes but will yuuki able to forget kaname for zero?
this is a main question.if kaname dies or leaves her forever will she be able to move on?

My short answer is : NO !!

Long answer :

Even after Kaname has done all those things worthy of a villain . Yuuki can't forget Kaname and move on with her life . Until now , Yuuki's main purpose has being stop Kaname from his evil way . Additionally the only person Kaname will allow to kill him is Yuuki . So unless the story finds a very strong reason for killing Kaname without Yuuki ending with guilty feelings and / or with a frozen heart . It would be very difficult for her to accept Zero as consolation prize .

the only reason i find is that rido is controlling kaname(though it is made clear that he can't control him but still)and for killing his spirit yuuki has to kill kaname and then she goes to kill herself by changing zero to human.i just hope that manga ends in an epic way not some stupid cheesiness which i found in previous chapters.

lucykaede wrote:

mariangie wrote:

kanamekuranlover wrote:

yes but will yuuki able to forget kaname for zero?
this is a main question.if kaname dies or leaves her forever will she be able to move on?

My short answer is : NO !!

Long answer :

Even after Kaname has done all those things worthy of a villain . Yuuki can't forget Kaname and move on with her life . Until now , Yuuki's main purpose has being stop Kaname from his evil way . Additionally the only person Kaname will allow to kill him is Yuuki . So unless the story finds a very strong reason for killing Kaname without Yuuki ending with guilty feelings and / or with a frozen heart . It would be very difficult for her to accept Zero as consolation prize .

the only reason i find is that rido is controlling kaname(though it is made clear that he can't control him but still)and for killing his spirit yuuki has to kill kaname and then she goes to kill herself by changing zero to human.i just hope that manga ends in an epic way not some stupid cheesiness which i found in previous chapters.

rido is dead

in ending i see co-existence occuring as it is the main plot but i can also see death of a major character and it is most likely to be kaname as we see from current situations.

There's been some good interaction between Zero and Yuuki lately, but there's also been some long-awaited interaction between Kaname and Yuuki. There's at least one or two moments in almost every chapter that seem to be keeping both parties happy

Like in Chapter 85, we saw Zero become protective of Yuuki (shielding her from the original metal) and we also saw a brief hug between Yuuki and Kaname.

Right now, the story seems to have reached quite a pivotal point and I don't think any kind of romance will be prominent within the next couple of chapters There's a bit too much going on right now, I think. Perhaps Hino intends to leave the LT alone for a little bit to expand upon some of her more major current plot points.

lucykaede wrote:its sad because till chapter 83 there was no development in zeki and suddenly they indirectly confessed that they have feelings for each other in funny way

When the heck did they confessed their feelings for each other (indirectly), and what feelings are you referring to? provide scans

aya-chan wrote:

lucykaede wrote:its sad because till chapter 83 there was no development in zeki and suddenly they indirectly confessed that they have feelings for each other in funny way

When the heck did they confessed their feelings for each other (indirectly), and what feelings are you referring to? provide scans

where zero said that what they feel for each other is a set up of kaname.he said something like that.i think it was a sad confession of their feelings,obviously romantic from zero's side.