Vampire Knight 84 Full Raws!! And First Translation!

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First translation from Chinese scanlation

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The English scanlation of the chapter 84 is available now.

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SilverAngel wrote:

kanamekuranlover wrote:

no honey not your speculation,my speculation of hino liking short hair. its really stupid on my part,not you.

Sorry I guess I read it wrong. My apologies kanamekuranlover. I'm not quite sure who Yuuki will end up with but I just hope it's a happy ending it's unlikely but I'm still gonna hope for it anyway

"yeah a beautiful happy ending and for me it is yume and zeria.maria is too cute."

If there isn't a happy ending this is what I'll do to my computer

SilverAngel wrote:

kanamekuranlover wrote:

SilverAngel wrote:

Sorry I guess I read it wrong. My apologies kanamekuranlover. I'm not quite sure who Yuuki will end up with but I just hope it's a happy ending it's unlikely but I'm still gonna hope for it anyway

If there isn't a happy ending this is what I'll do to my computer

yeah a beautiful happy ending and for me it is yume and zeria.maria is too cute.

oh wish i could do that to my comp as well.

KuranPrince wrote:
Since Sara is a heartbeat away from being dead, the one part that I truly don't understand was at the next chapter page. Although I don't understand much about Japanese, but there's a gonna be a final confrontation match-- Kaname & Yuuki vs. Sara. If the evil pureblood Shirabuki is still alive, I would love to see it in the next chapter. During or after the battle, I'm sure we'll have answers about the furnace and how the mother metal immobilizes Sara in her attempt to kill Kaname (thanks to his fiancee Yuuki for protecting him).

And you're right, Chacile. I'm sure Kaname will explain everything.

Oh.. that would be nice if there will still be a final confrontation next chapter. I don't quite like the feeling of Sara dying just like that, she wasn't able to show us her real abilities as a pureblood. Plus, in the diagram after the chapter, it has in there Yuuki representing the Kurans with Kaname beside her picture vs Sara who seemed to represent the Shirabuki family.

On another note, though I don't quite understand what's written on the diagram. I am willing to be corrected of my assumption that Kaname is not included in the Kuran family. Looking at it, compared to Shizuka and the previous head of the Hious' as sharing on the family name plate. For the Kuran, Yuuki took the name plate for herself and something else is written on top of Kaname's picture. I might not be relevant but I can't help noticing it.

I do not know from where to begin with this chapter lol

Aidou: What we should pay more attention to is the tablets of darkness. If we do nothing about their spread, the vampire society will crumble, bringing down the human society at the same time.

Finally some logic and words of wisdom after so many “loony” chapters ! Hanabusa said what some of us were saying all this time about Sara’s tabs! Finally, finally!

So Sara it might be dead but the darkness that she has spread hasn’t ended yet.

Now, maybe this issue won’t take much time and panels to be dealt however it could be used more if Hino wishes to.
For example …
- Takuma might help in the productions of the new tablets with Yuuki’s blood through his pharmaceutical company. This is a way to redeem himself for helping/covering Sara all that long.
- However before this issue is dealt it could be used and on another direction >> the users of the tablets can create some commotion in town something that can lead on the exposure of vampires’ existence. In my mind this is important for a true co-existence to be established … humans must know about vampires and under this revelation the government will be fain to acknowledge not only their existence but also their rights as citizens i.e. humans and vampires should be equal in front of the laws.

From my understanding of the story and as I have said many times the real “enemy” it shouldn’t be a strong-powerful villain who will be defeated in the end and everything will be okay, cuz it won’t, as the long history has proven. If the plot takes this course again IMO it wouldn’t be solved anything … not the real roots of the evilness cuz someone can be found in the future ready to exploit the greedy side from both races humans and vampires and sink again the world into blood.
Therefore a realistic solution for me at least would be a reformed frame of laws and attitudes from both sides >>
-The hunters should re-appoint their views and role
-The vampires must form a new council which in cooperation with the government will run the vampires society.

For me the interference of the HW’s spirit in this chapter might set the stage for a new beginning … points out the wrongs from many parts in this crisis and stigmatizes the wrong course of this world.

If Sara is dead –which seems so- then Kaname’s question >>

Ichijou…Do you think Sara is the kind of pureblood that you would want her to live? Do you also think so, Yuuki?

>> is answered through HW and in emphatic way; dumbfounding as well all the voices which considered Sara as not a villain worthy to die or that killing is wrong period, regardless the circumstances driven from their need to badmouth Kaname

So Sara shouldn’t live not only for her evil doings but also cuz she had many chances to retreat - even in the last minute- but she again chose to try to kill Kaname!

Hence this signifies that Yuuki was wrong (even though I’m not convinced that her goal was to protect Sara till the end but to stop Kaname) … of course Zero who sided and shielded her, resorting to dirty methods for his OWN VENGEFUL reasons ignoring his role as a hunter and moreover as the future president of HA and his obligation to PROTECT the HUMANS from evil vampires … and the hunters as well who forgot the real reason of their creations and existence! Thus the mother metal is now “destroying” the HA and “rebelling” against their choices in a sense, cutting the Gordian knot.

Yuuki: She, the ancestor, threw her heart into the furnace, giving hunters power and weapons… but had she ever said that she wanted all the purebloods dead?

That’s also true and Yuuki is right. So IF Kaname’s goal was indeed to kill ALL the PB’s and there isn’t something more dreadful behind the scenes which led him there then he is deffo wrong! His fear to see another beloved person i.e. Yuuki dead blinded him and the pain/despair of so many lost lives through millennia of bloodshed which didn’t bring any change, blurred his judgment.
Furthermore many of us suspected that he was taking a path which in a way or another would have led him to death however HW’s interference might be read out as an interference to that too … she stubbed Sara the moment that she tried to kill him or hurting Yuuki since she covered Kaname with her body. Thus can we take her move as a sign that she wanted to protect both of them; i.e. that she wanted them alive as important figures for the future co-existence? This is what she did in the past too, sacrificing her life in Kaname’s place. I want to think that way cuz I never stopped seeking for a happy ending

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Some fangirling time ho ho ho

Yuuki: He’s not seriously threatening me, because I won’t die immediately if he doesn’t stab my heart with this sword.
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Kaname: But neither are you…You are not really threatening me either.
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Kaname: So your double is made of butterflies…You chose the form of a creature that likes light. It's very Yuuki-ish.

Juliet wrote: These two fooling around while in the anguish of the fight…so really adorable….
So much remind me of “its all about us”//

Hahaha so true! Love and cough cannot be hidden despite some efforts to convince for the opposite


And he caresses her cheek and pins her on the ground “topping” her aaaaahhhhh what a moment!!!! Oh my Kaname … your pervert side took over control huh? Hahahaha mine too
Takuma was right … I wanted to scream the same thing “Drop your weapons” … get a room and do some steamy stuff already!

And what remains more to say after the last panels??? Yuuki hugged him putting her own body as a shield and Kaname finally took her into his arms!!!!!

PURE BLISS lalalalalala

Juliet wrote:but it is a good think that in this chapter we saw couples;

Rima and Shiki > holding on to each other outside of the HA

Kain and Ruka > probably leaving the building as Kain carried her due to her trauma

Maria thinking of Zero > she does care about him

Kaname and Yuuki > playing a fight there , having some moments

I liked the above formations....

Hino is sending some signals?
She is just refreshing our memory *cough* about the known couples plus she doesn’t forget to remind Maria’s interest for Zero … sounds promising XD

chacile wrote: That's quite a blunt way of putting it, but it's what you think so I'll leave it as that, though I don't know what kind of development you are looking for. If the last panel isn't enough development for what you so called love triangle, and viewing Yuuki's instinctive act of setting aside Artemis to cover up Kaname as mere habit of hers just because she is like that.. Then what about entire game of fight that they are having? The two of them are quite blunt about saying that the other isn't really fighting for real and her cutely begging of letting her catch Kaname already. If the reason why they aren't fighting seriously and aren't bringing harm to each other is not because they still obviously love each other, then I don't know what is...

I may be sounding biased but ship wise, this chapter is obviously not a neutral one.. lovey-dovey atmosphere are all around those pages..

Co-sign with both hands!!!!

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Neutral; with Yuuki into Kaname’s arms after she shielded him with her body???

If I was Takuma, I'd tell Kaname & Yuuki, "Drop your weapons... and go find a bedroom. I'll inform Seiren to send in a bag of rose petals."

Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:I agree, the chapter wasn't about "couples" at all... People it's not all the story revolves around. o.O For me, I saw an epic all-out vampire fight... x3 ( a symbol the story is drawing to a close maybe, since Part 1 of VK ended with Cross Academy falling apart, and now the Hunter Assoc. is falling apart.) the only "couple" moment was Shiki&Rima. And it was very adorable might i say <3

SassyKnight wrote:Yuki protecting Kaname is just her sake of protecting Kaname...I don't really think she's doing it out of romantic feelings, it's just a natural response from Yuki; To protect. She acted the same with Zero, Sara etc. We really need some insight on what is going on in Yuki's mind...I don't want confusing poems and sunshine, I WANT ANSWERS!

I think this chapter wasn't Yume or Zeki...Hino is prolonging the love triangle, as usual...
I hope next chapter that the love triangle between the trio develops.

You guys are contradicting yourselves if the Shiki&Rima moment was a "couple" moment then why was the Yume moment not a "couple" moment? I'm confused here o.O All Rima did was hug Shiki similar to Yuuki drawing closer to Kaname and holding onto him.

Well, I think Zekis say things like this chapter wasn't Zeki or Yume because things did not turn out to their likings. Or things like Zero and Yuuki fighting together so romantic...Yume has no development and cannot match my awesome Zeki pairing just to grasp at straws or to not face the disappointment. The Shiki&Rima moment and Yume moments are quite similar IMO. Rima draws closer to Shiki as Yuuki did the same when she draw closer to Kaname with one hand holding him close to protect him with Artemis...she didn't have to hold him she could just protect him without any contact but the point is she's in his arms there's no denying it. I don't care how Zekis choose to interpret it because if Yuuki was in Zero's arm it would suddenly be romatic even tho Zero and Yuuki still have the friend/ally thing going for them no romantic development yet and it's sad Kaname has to die for Yuuki to want to choose Zero. Why can't she choose Zero without Kaname having to die? Kaname's actually pushing her towards Zero with him acting like the bad guy and all but still...

You both could see Shima moment but not the Yume moments? Bias much? Or maybe it's ignorance on most Zekis part. Sorry not trying to offend anyone just saying. Hino gave so many hints throughout the chapter that neither Kaname or Yuuki are really trying to hurt each other. And for what reason may I ask if it's not because they both still love each? So, how is it that we Yumes are supposed to view these scenes if not in a romantic way?

Even if you are hardcore Zeki...the Yume moments can't be deny because it's not speculations we Yumes are not seeing or imagining things it was said by Hino through the characters. Especially in the panel before we see the fight there's a flashback of Kaname and Yuuki at the party with a vampire saying how they gave a vibe no one could separate them.

I know after Ch83 many Zekis jumped to conclusions that Yuuki was suddenly going to kill Kaname and be with Zero or watever, but these are speculations so if people are disappointed it's not Hino's fault for many fans jumping to their own conclusions.


Does that mean Kaname and Yuuki are going to make out in the middle of the battle...probably not. *snorts* I'd rather not jump to conclusions and read the manga and see what happens next but discussions can be fun

ButterflyWingsx wrote:

Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:I agree, the chapter wasn't about "couples" at all... People it's not all the story revolves around. o.O For me, I saw an epic all-out vampire fight... x3 ( a symbol the story is drawing to a close maybe, since Part 1 of VK ended with Cross Academy falling apart, and now the Hunter Assoc. is falling apart.) the only "couple" moment was Shiki&Rima. And it was very adorable might i say <3

SassyKnight wrote:Yuki protecting Kaname is just her sake of protecting Kaname...I don't really think she's doing it out of romantic feelings, it's just a natural response from Yuki; To protect. She acted the same with Zero, Sara etc. We really need some insight on what is going on in Yuki's mind...I don't want confusing poems and sunshine, I WANT ANSWERS!

I think this chapter wasn't Yume or Zeki...Hino is prolonging the love triangle, as usual...
I hope next chapter that the love triangle between the trio develops.

You guys are contradicting yourselves if the Shiki&Rima moment was a "couple" moment then why was the Yume moment not a "couple" moment? I'm confused here o.O All Rima did was hug Shiki similar to Yuuki drawing closer to Kaname and holding onto him.

Well, I think Zekis say things like this chapter wasn't Zeki or Yume because things did not turn out to their likings. Or things like Zero and Yuuki fighting together so romantic...Yume has no development and cannot match my awesome Zeki pairing just to grasp at straws or to not face the disappointment. The Shiki&Rima moment and Yume moments are quite similar IMO. Rima draws closer to Shiki as Yuuki did the same when she draw closer to Kaname with one hand holding him close to protect him with Artemis...she didn't have to hold him she could just protect him without any contact but the point is she's in his arms there's no denying it. I don't care how Zekis choose to interpret it because if Yuuki was in Zero's arm it would suddenly be romatic even tho Zero and Yuuki still have the friend/ally thing going for them no romantic development yet and it's sad Kaname has to die for Yuuki to want to choose Zero. Why can't she choose Zero without Kaname having to die? Kaname's actually pushing her towards Zero with him acting like the bad guy and all but still...

You both could see Shima moment but not the Yume moments? Bias much? Or maybe it's ignorance on most Zekis part. Sorry not trying to offend anyone just saying. Hino gave so many hints throughout the chapter that neither Kaname or Yuuki are really trying to hurt each other. And for what reason may I ask if it's not because they both still love each? So, how is it that we Yumes are supposed to view these scenes if not in a romantic way?

Even if you are hardcore Zeki...the Yume moments can't be deny because it's not speculations we Yumes are not seeing or imagining things it was said by Hino through the characters. Especially in the panel before we see the fight there's a flashback of Kaname and Yuuki at the party with a vampire saying how they gave a vibe no one could separate them.

I know after Ch83 many Zekis jumped to conclusions that Yuuki was suddenly going to kill Kaname and be with Zero or watever, but these are speculations so if people are disappointed it's not Hino's fault for many fans jumping to their own conclusions.


Does that mean Kaname and Yuuki are going to make out in the middle of the battle...probably not. *snorts* I'd rather not jump to conclusions and read the manga and see what happens next but discussions can be fun

agree completely,sometimes zekis and yumes both jumps to conclusion instantly,zeki is not gonna be a romantic couple without development and its not like yuuki is gonna forgive kaname instantly for his so called sins.you are right on the part that we should read the manga and not jump on conclusions and on the other note hino is way ahead of what we think.

ButterflyWingsx wrote:

Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:I agree, the chapter wasn't about "couples" at all... People it's not all the story revolves around. o.O For me, I saw an epic all-out vampire fight... x3 ( a symbol the story is drawing to a close maybe, since Part 1 of VK ended with Cross Academy falling apart, and now the Hunter Assoc. is falling apart.) the only "couple" moment was Shiki&Rima. And it was very adorable might i say <3

SassyKnight wrote:Yuki protecting Kaname is just her sake of protecting Kaname...I don't really think she's doing it out of romantic feelings, it's just a natural response from Yuki; To protect. She acted the same with Zero, Sara etc. We really need some insight on what is going on in Yuki's mind...I don't want confusing poems and sunshine, I WANT ANSWERS!

I think this chapter wasn't Yume or Zeki...Hino is prolonging the love triangle, as usual...
I hope next chapter that the love triangle between the trio develops.

You guys are contradicting yourselves if the Shiki&Rima moment was a "couple" moment then why was the Yume moment not a "couple" moment? I'm confused here o.O All Rima did was hug Shiki similar to Yuuki drawing closer to Kaname and holding onto him.

Well, I think Zekis say things like this chapter wasn't Zeki or Yume because things did not turn out to their likings. Or things like Zero and Yuuki fighting together so romantic...Yume has no development and cannot match my awesome Zeki pairing just to grasp at straws or to not face the disappointment. The Shiki&Rima moment and Yume moments are quite similar IMO. Rima draws closer to Shiki as Yuuki did the same when she draw closer to Kaname with one hand holding him close to protect him with Artemis...she didn't have to hold him she could just protect him without any contact but the point is she's in his arms there's no denying it. I don't care how Zekis choose to interpret it because if Yuuki was in Zero's arm it would suddenly be romatic even tho Zero and Yuuki still have the friend/ally thing going for them no romantic development yet and it's sad Kaname has to die for Yuuki to want to choose Zero. Why can't she choose Zero without Kaname having to die? Kaname's actually pushing her towards Zero with him acting like the bad guy and all but still...

You both could see Shima moment but not the Yume moments? Bias much? Or maybe it's ignorance on most Zekis part. Sorry not trying to offend anyone just saying. Hino gave so many hints throughout the chapter that neither Kaname or Yuuki are really trying to hurt each other. And for what reason may I ask if it's not because they both still love each? So, how is it that we Yumes are supposed to view these scenes if not in a romantic way?

Even if you are hardcore Zeki...the Yume moments can't be deny because it's not speculations we Yumes are not seeing or imagining things it was said by Hino through the characters. Especially in the panel before we see the fight there's a flashback of Kaname and Yuuki at the party with a vampire saying how they gave a vibe no one could separate them.

I know after Ch83 many Zekis jumped to conclusions that Yuuki was suddenly going to kill Kaname and be with Zero or watever, but these are speculations so if people are disappointed it's not Hino's fault for many fans jumping to their own conclusions.


Does that mean Kaname and Yuuki are going to make out in the middle of the battle...probably not. *snorts* I'd rather not jump to conclusions and read the manga and see what happens next but discussions can be fun

agree completely,sometimes zekis and yumes both jumps to conclusion instantly,zeki is not gonna be a romantic couple without development and its not like yuuki is gonna forgive kaname instantly for his so called sins.you are right on the part that we should read the manga and not jump on conclusions and on the other note hino is way ahead of what we think.

and on grabbing part,hino before had drawn a picture of a hand manicuring rima,same like yume,shima and yume are quite same.

kanamekuranlover wrote:agree completely,sometimes zekis and yumes both jumps to conclusion instantly,zeki is not gonna be a romantic couple without development and its not like yuuki is gonna forgive kaname instantly for his so called sins.you are right on the part that we should read the manga and not jump on conclusions and on the other note hino is way ahead of what we think.

Yeah, people need to stop jumping to conclusions and just read the manga. Speculations are just that no one knows what will happen next except for Hino herself. I laugh when some fans are like it's Zeki end game, it's over for Yume and Yuuki will kill Kaname etc. Those fans then get all mad and hate on Yuuki when things don't turn out how they want. Same with some Yume fans who think Zero will die or he will kill Yuuki coz he hates all vampires. I'm not saying those things can't happen, I just find it funny how those fans think they are Hino and can read her mind and what she's thinking for her story.

Oh and the fans who thinks Yuuki cutting her hair automatically means she's letting go of her feelings for Kaname. It's quite clear if that was what Yuuki was thinking in Ch83 it didn't work because obviously her cutting her hair didn't stop her from getting rid of her feelings for Kaname. She said she won't hesitate yet we learn from Kaname that she's not really trying to hurt him. Yuuki looks cute with short hair, but she looks more princess like with long hair. I like both hair style on her. Kaname may prefer her with long hair but he never said he didn't love her with short hair. And besides, human Yuuki with short hair was still madly in love with Kaname. I don't get the hair argument at all, either way Yuuki still act the same. And long or short hair Kaname and Zero still love her, right?

and on grabbing part,hino before had drawn a picture of a hand manicuring rima,same like yume,shima and yume are quite same.

Totally agree both couple share some similarities. I remember Kaname got a lot of bashing some even go as far as to call him a fag but when Shiki did the same thing some of those fans thought it was romantic. Haters are gonna hate.

Comment on the chapter and the ships

Although this chapter has no a focus centered on some ship, there are some views on this:

1. Yume scene, a random vampire said When I was looking at them from afar at that night banquet, I never thought things would turn out like this (between them). At that time they cared about and stuck close to each other, giving off a nobody-can-separate-them vibe.

I know it was a random vampire. But I do not understand how someone considers this a neutral comment.

People forget that the writer of VK is HM and she chooses what is relevant to be shown. And she chose to say a nobody-can-separate-them vibe to show how the link in Yume is strong. How strange to all vampires had see Yuki and Kaname against each other. Because nothing could separate them. And this apparent separation is shown as superficial because Kaname and Yuki were not fighting seriously against each other.

Kaname is not despised Yuki's powers. He simply said that Butterflies are something really matching with Yuki. Because unlike other vampires, she chose a creature of light. He simply notes the obvious.

@Welcome Butterfly...

i still have many questions....

since Sara was pierced by the anti-vampire metal then the most likely is to be dead and its only left to be confirmed in the next chapter (Sara's body to turn into crystals or be dead)...

Now as someone else mentioned above (sorry to lazy and in a hurry right now to find the post), yes that was easy...but let's not forget that Rido was finished in a same way...i mean quite easily after all for the danger that he posed; there are even similarities among the fighting if you consider it but in a reversed order;

there we had a zero-kaname almost fight after Rido was dead, now we had before..

again all characters were demonstrated to action and the same thing happened here...

and also the fact that there the night dorm collapsed and here is the HA association...

but what about the gaps in the story? do you see the script satisfying that far? are we seeing an end or no?

Juliet, I have wondered if it makes sense to extend VK. I love VK. But the integrity of story was compromised, especially for me to follow it long ago.

Kaname has to give explanations about Aido-Dono and the murder of Zero´s parents. Three chapters are more than sufficient to clarify these facts.

From this, from the explanation of these facts (and why he killed the others PBs) we'll see how this will affect Yume. And so, we´ll have the resolution of the LT.

These are the most important issues. I think yes, we enter the final.

But the end of the first arc had a taste of the end of story. However, we saw Sarah coming and taking Takuma.

Who knows what will happen? Who knows, HW materializes and then we see the hand of Rido standing over a coffin ...Joking..I want a end now, Kaname and Yuki together, Aido-Dono alive and Ka-kun has nothing with Kiryu´s death.

Maria-chan and Zero-kun together.

Li.llium wrote:Juliet, I have wondered if it makes sense to extend VK. I love VK. But the integrity of story was compromised, especially for me to follow it long ago.

Kaname has to give explanations about Aido-Dono and the murder of Zero´s parents. Three chapters are more than sufficient to clarify these facts.

From this, from the explanation of these facts (and why he killed the others PBs) we'll see how this will affect Yume. And so, we´ll have the resolution of the LT.

These are the most important issues. I think yes, we enter the final.

But the end of the first arc had a taste of the end of story. However, we saw Sarah coming and taking Takuma.

Who knows what will happen? Who knows, HW materializes and then we see the hand of Rido standing over a coffin ...

kaname wants to kill himself so maybe he will do or say something unforgivable but maybe hw spirit stops him or do something which changes the game.i now really wanna know who is the real villain because sara doesn't seem to me like a real villain at all,she is pretty smart but stupid at the same time,she is attacking kaname kuran when there are two lovers of him(yuuki and hw)are there.

kanamekuranlover wrote:
kaname wants to kill himself so maybe he will do or say something unforgivable but maybe hw spirit stops him or do something which changes the game.i now really wanna know who is the real villain because sara doesn't seem to me like a real villain at all,she is pretty smart but stupid at the same time,she is attacking kaname kuran when there are two lovers of him(yuuki and hw)are there.

I´m not waiting for a big surprise. Rido was very smart too. He tamed Kaname. However, his end was a littler silly too.And fast. =_=

Li.llium wrote:

kanamekuranlover wrote:
kaname wants to kill himself so maybe he will do or say something unforgivable but maybe hw spirit stops him or do something which changes the game.i now really wanna know who is the real villain because sara doesn't seem to me like a real villain at all,she is pretty smart but stupid at the same time,she is attacking kaname kuran when there are two lovers of him(yuuki and hw)are there.

I´m not waiting for a big surprise. Rido was very smart too. He tamed Kaname. However, his end was a littler silly too.And fast. =_=

yeah right but maybe this time something really cool happens,i wanna see hw spirit for once,she deserves to make a cameo
and aido dono's death ,key,takuma's degeneration,zero's parents etc etc,there are so many things to be revealed yet,maybe rido's arc was sly,it does not mean that this arc is gonna be like that,i am expecting some really cool
this to come out of box and yuuki being the past wife of kaname is one of them.

sara doesn't seem to me like a real villain at all,she is pretty smart but stupid at the same time,she is attacking kaname kuran when there are two lovers of him(yuuki and hw)are there.

haha, epic comment...epic....

Kaname has to give explanations about Aido-Dono and the murder of Zero´s parents. Three chapters are more than sufficient to clarify these facts.

yes an easy explanation...m...let me try...

Aido dono is not dead but they were faking it, so that Aido-dono would not turn into Sara's next target like Hanadagi's guardian...

and Zero's parents...well the proof can be that Shizuka's lover at that time when Kaname freed her was alive so the actually meaningful thought could be that Kaname intended for the two lovers to get away and thus stop the abusement of her blood/powers from the council...

now about Hana have no idea...

still the script does not actually support adequate answers as to why Kaname followed this certain route and did not take Sara for example at the beginning of her plan?

perhaps he could wait for her to reveal her face to the others...but then again what about Hio or Hana?

Perhaps Sara was another step here to his way and he was other things to accomplish...

also the key was mentioned we have not seen it into action...

i would like the liberation of HW'spirit to mean something more...Hino can really do epic stuff here and i hope that she won't leave to such > example awake the hunters...and make them more conscious of the responsibilty that took upon accepting her blood as a race

In my mind I think that there are many issues still unresolved at least the script has a base which is actually the problem of purebloods that want control over others, the humans that do not know about the vampires so the co-existence is not trully supported yet, has no truthful sense and also about Kaname's action that to me it still seems unclear, perhaps Yuuki can help him cool down and back off, if that's the case?


by the way> why Zero's gun shoots normal vampires and gets the vines out with Kaname? the vines do not seem to hurt Kaname so the gun makes a choice not to shoot normally?

childish question but it does not react the same to everybody...


and we got Takuma back!! with all these couple madness, i forgot to celebrate about that!

juliet wrote:

sara doesn't seem to me like a real villain at all,she is pretty smart but stupid at the same time,she is attacking kaname kuran when there are two lovers of him(yuuki and hw)are there.

haha, epic comment...epic....

Kaname has to give explanations about Aido-Dono and the murder of Zero´s parents. Three chapters are more than sufficient to clarify these facts.

yes an easy explanation...m...let me try...

Aido dono is not dead but they were faking it, so that Aido-dono would not turn into Sara's next target like Hanadagi's guardian...

and Zero's parents...well the proof can be that Shizuka's lover at that time when Kaname freed her was alive so the actually meaningful thought could be that Kaname intended for the two lovers to get away and thus stop the abusement of her blood/powers from the council...

now about Hana have no idea...

still the script does not actually support adequate answers as to why Kaname followed this certain route and did not take Sara for example at the beginning of her plan?

perhaps he could wait for her to reveal her face to the others...but then again what about Hio or Hana?

Perhaps Sara was another step here to his way and he was other things to accomplish...

also the key was mentioned we have not seen it into action...

i would like the liberation of HW'spirit to mean something more...Hino can really do epic stuff here and i hope that she won't leave to such > example awake the hunters...and make them more conscious of the responsibilty that took upon accepting her blood as a race

In my mind I think that there are many issues still unresolved at least the script has a base which is actually the problem of purebloods that want control over others, the humans that do not know about the vampires so the co-existence is not trully supported yet, has no truthful sense and also about Kaname's action that to me it still seems unclear, perhaps Yuuki can help him cool down and back off, if that's the case?


by the way> why Zero's gun shoots normal vampires and gets the vines out with Kaname? the vines do not seem to hurt Kaname so the gun makes a choice not to shoot normally?

childish question but it does not react the same to everybody...


and we got Takuma back!! with all these couple madness, i forgot to celebrate about that!

taKUma still needs nullifying blood as kaname stated that pureblood's blood belongs to its owner.takuma needs yuuki's blood and that is so lame because their relationship is like bro and sis and a healthy one,not like purebloods.

i was saying exactly the same things you said,there are many things unresolved,vk is not ending guys,one chapter and everyone goes mad like previous chapter where yuuki cut her hair and everyone went crazy.



BY THE WAY,YUUKI AND ZERO LOOKS TO ME KANAME AND HW'S CHILDREN,FACE WISE.

AH...I KNOW STUPID BUT REALLY THEY ALL LOOK SO SAME,KANAME AND YUUKI LOOKS SAME BUT THEY ARE RELATED SO THAT JUSTIFIES BUT HW AND ZERO RESEMBLANCE IS VERY UNCLEAR.

ButterflyWingsx wrote:

Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:I agree, the chapter wasn't about "couples" at all... People it's not all the story revolves around. o.O For me, I saw an epic all-out vampire fight... x3 ( a symbol the story is drawing to a close maybe, since Part 1 of VK ended with Cross Academy falling apart, and now the Hunter Assoc. is falling apart.) the only "couple" moment was Shiki&Rima. And it was very adorable might i say <3

SassyKnight wrote:Yuki protecting Kaname is just her sake of protecting Kaname...I don't really think she's doing it out of romantic feelings, it's just a natural response from Yuki; To protect. She acted the same with Zero, Sara etc. We really need some insight on what is going on in Yuki's mind...I don't want confusing poems and sunshine, I WANT ANSWERS!

I think this chapter wasn't Yume or Zeki...Hino is prolonging the love triangle, as usual...
I hope next chapter that the love triangle between the trio develops.

You guys are contradicting yourselves if the Shiki&Rima moment was a "couple" moment then why was the Yume moment not a "couple" moment? I'm confused here o.O All Rima did was hug Shiki similar to Yuuki drawing closer to Kaname and holding onto him.

Well, I think Zekis say things like this chapter wasn't Zeki or Yume because things did not turn out to their likings. Or things like Zero and Yuuki fighting together so romantic...Yume has no development and cannot match my awesome Zeki pairing just to grasp at straws or to not face the disappointment. The Shiki&Rima moment and Yume moments are quite similar IMO. Rima draws closer to Shiki as Yuuki did the same when she draw closer to Kaname with one hand holding him close to protect him with Artemis...she didn't have to hold him she could just protect him without any contact but the point is she's in his arms there's no denying it. I don't care how Zekis choose to interpret it because if Yuuki was in Zero's arm it would suddenly be romatic even tho Zero and Yuuki still have the friend/ally thing going for them no romantic development yet and it's sad Kaname has to die for Yuuki to want to choose Zero. Why can't she choose Zero without Kaname having to die? Kaname's actually pushing her towards Zero with him acting like the bad guy and all but still...

You both could see Shima moment but not the Yume moments? Bias much? Or maybe it's ignorance on most Zekis part. Sorry not trying to offend anyone just saying. Hino gave so many hints throughout the chapter that neither Kaname or Yuuki are really trying to hurt each other. And for what reason may I ask if it's not because they both still love each? So, how is it that we Yumes are supposed to view these scenes if not in a romantic way?

Even if you are hardcore Zeki...the Yume moments can't be deny because it's not speculations we Yumes are not seeing or imagining things it was said by Hino through the characters. Especially in the panel before we see the fight there's a flashback of Kaname and Yuuki at the party with a vampire saying how they gave a vibe no one could separate them.

I know after Ch83 many Zekis jumped to conclusions that Yuuki was suddenly going to kill Kaname and be with Zero or watever, but these are speculations so if people are disappointed it's not Hino's fault for many fans jumping to their own conclusions.


Does that mean Kaname and Yuuki are going to make out in the middle of the battle...probably not. *snorts* I'd rather not jump to conclusions and read the manga and see what happens next but discussions can be fun

Whoa whoa, calm down, I'm not allowed to be neutral now? I simply enjoyed this chapter for what is was for once because a lot happened and I wasn't even considering Zeki vs Yume. >.< You wanted a pairing war reaction? I'm sorry, what am I supposed to say " Dear god there was a "yume moment"!! What will I ever do???" I do not deny that if I were a yume, yes I would think the Yuuki & Kaname hugging moment was cute... But of course she would protect Kaname, like you said, she loves him, this I did not deny. Yes, she has been wanting to stop him... but in the heat of the moment, him being closest and Sara coming at him to kill him, heck ya I would protect him too if I were Yuuki. o.O I loved this chapter for all the long-awaited action...sorry for disappointing you? :/ I know you guys find it kinky or whatever but I personally did not find the fighting scene between Yuuki & Kaname sexy or anything like that... maybe it's just because I'm a zeki, but I didn't see any romance there. I did see Yuuki flinch at her head hitting the ground... a sword at her neck, and her wrist being gripped tightly.. to me, looks like a painful situation. >.> They didn't even drop their weapons when Takuma asked them to... does that not tell you anything? If they didn't intend to finish fighting, they could've listened to him. All I said was the chapter wasn't about couples... and it wasn't!Yes, the Shiki&Rima "moment" was cute, they haven't had many cute moments so I savor it...>.> I guess you could call Yuuki jumping to protect Kaname a "yume moment"... but no I don't think the chapter revolved around them. Try to look at the bigger picture for once and look past your yume obsession... I enjoy vampire knight, not just 2 characters out of it.

They didn't even drop their weapons when Takuma asked them to... does that not tell you anything? If they didn't intend to finish fighting, they could've listened to him.

m...because Zero asked them to? (how does that sound anyway?)

well no, let's not eat each other hearts here about the evident...

there were couple moments if you preferably want to say it like this in this chapter...

Shiki and Rima

Maria asking about Zero

Kaname and Yuuki pseudo-fighting with Yuukish lines

Even Takuma there that defended Sara

and who else? Kain-Ruka leaving the HA...

due to this flashes i think that the chapter had a different note...gathering many couples there or hinting to ones...

and Butterfly made an obvious observation; how is it that Riki-Shima were considered a couple moment whereas Yuuki-Kaname, no? what difference does it make if they were fighting> fighting so that Yuuki could stop him and also protect Kaname from further delving into sin...is this bad? i don't think so.

now about Kaname-Yuuki fight to be neutral, i think it goes along with their feelings, they are not neutral to begin with...

so since the chapter highlighted them its normal to say that the chapter was more towards the yume direction at least...

personally though, i do not take much courage from this, because i need to see the continuation and no, I do not trust Hino, despite all the work that she has done up to know to progress the yume relationship, there are still issues unresolved that i wish to see Hino solving it in one chapters or two, must it would seem too hasty after the current circumstances. I would prefer a smoother development.

For me its essential that Yuuki clearly states her mind about her feelings so that there is no doubt who she wants, since all these things could have affected her, even though she seems to stand stronger and more self-determinant than in the past...

BUT also for Kaname to clear himself from all of these...

and Zero also to resolve his own issues - i can not guess that Hino shall leave him as such...

until then though, i think that we all fans have a right to delve and celebrate the moment...so let's not turn that into a great matter...

Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:Whoa whoa, calm down, I'm not allowed to be neutral now? I simply enjoyed this chapter for what is was for once because a lot happened and I wasn't even considering Zeki vs Yume. >.< You wanted a pairing war reaction? I'm sorry, what am I supposed to say " Dear god there was a "yume moment"!! What will I ever do???" I do not deny that if I were a yume, yes I would think the Yuuki & Kaname hugging moment was cute... But of course she would protect Kaname, like you said, she loves him, this I did not deny. Yes, she has been wanting to stop him... but in the heat of the moment, him being closest and Sara coming at him to kill him, heck ya I would protect him too if I were Yuuki. o.O I loved this chapter for all the long-awaited action...sorry for disappointing you? :/ I know you guys find it kinky or whatever but I personally did not find the fighting scene between Yuuki & Kaname sexy or anything like that... maybe it's just because I'm a zeki, but I didn't see any romance there. I did see Yuuki flinch at her head hitting the ground... a sword at her neck, and her wrist being gripped tightly.. to me, looks like a painful situation. >.> They didn't even drop their weapons when Takuma asked them to... does that not tell you anything? If they didn't intend to finish fighting, they could've listened to him. All I said was the chapter wasn't about couples... and it wasn't!Yes, the Shiki&Rima "moment" was cute, they haven't had many cute moments so I savor it...>.> I guess you could call Yuuki jumping to protect Kaname a "yume moment"... but no I don't think the chapter revolved around them. Try to look at the bigger picture for once and look past your yume obsession... I enjoy vampire knight, not just 2 characters out of it.

Lol, I'm calm. There's no need to bring God's name into this. I'm just amazed at some fans and their reaction towards each chapter. My Yume obsession you say? Hmmm...so now Yumes are obsessed for enjoying Yume moments and I suppose Zekis are the sane ones. Well, alright then. I'm Yume obsessed can't help it they are one hell of a sexy couple. XD

On a serious note thought, I don't think I ever said Zekis had to find the Yume moments romantic. What ever gave you that idea? Eh? Disappoint me, more like I find it amusing how Zekis think everytime Yuuki gets mad at Kaname she'll run and declare her undying love to Zero.

Let's be honest, Zekis find it romantic how one moment Zero is pointing his gun at Yuuki and the next he's kissing her because Zero's character is tsundere, right? So, what's wrong with Yumes thinking it's kinky when Kaname is pinning Yuuki to the ground in battle? We already know that they are not seriously fighting each other as they both said so..and that was my point here.


I do find some Zeki moments cute, btw. Like Zero hitting Yuuki on the head and carrying her bridal style...so don't go assuming I'm Yume obsessed if I make a comment or two about the Zeki fandom. I do think some Yume fans are the same way. I was speaking in general, and I still find it funny how Yuuki gets bash for not acting the way the fans want her to.


As far as being neutral, I doubt anyone can really be neutral. Even I, a fan of both Kaname and Zero and also, I used to ship Zeki can't be neutral coz in reality I'll always favor Kaname/Yume more. So yes, there's bias there. I don't believe people who claim to be neutral unless they ship no one and just enjoy the overall story.

ETA: I'll go ahead and quote myself for those Zekis thinking I want them to find Yume scenes romantic.

ButterflyWingsx wrote:I don't care how Zekis choose to interpret it because if Yuuki was in Zero's arm it would suddenly be romantic even tho Zero and Yuuki still have the friend/ally thing going for them no romantic development yet

See the bolded part there...yeah. I don't care, just saying. *shrugs*

ButterflyWingsx wrote:

Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:Whoa whoa, calm down, I'm not allowed to be neutral now? I simply enjoyed this chapter for what is was for once because a lot happened and I wasn't even considering Zeki vs Yume. >.< You wanted a pairing war reaction? I'm sorry, what am I supposed to say " Dear god there was a "yume moment"!! What will I ever do???" I do not deny that if I were a yume, yes I would think the Yuuki & Kaname hugging moment was cute... But of course she would protect Kaname, like you said, she loves him, this I did not deny. Yes, she has been wanting to stop him... but in the heat of the moment, him being closest and Sara coming at him to kill him, heck ya I would protect him too if I were Yuuki. o.O I loved this chapter for all the long-awaited action...sorry for disappointing you? :/ I know you guys find it kinky or whatever but I personally did not find the fighting scene between Yuuki & Kaname sexy or anything like that... maybe it's just because I'm a zeki, but I didn't see any romance there. I did see Yuuki flinch at her head hitting the ground... a sword at her neck, and her wrist being gripped tightly.. to me, looks like a painful situation. >.> They didn't even drop their weapons when Takuma asked them to... does that not tell you anything? If they didn't intend to finish fighting, they could've listened to him. All I said was the chapter wasn't about couples... and it wasn't!Yes, the Shiki&Rima "moment" was cute, they haven't had many cute moments so I savor it...>.> I guess you could call Yuuki jumping to protect Kaname a "yume moment"... but no I don't think the chapter revolved around them. Try to look at the bigger picture for once and look past your yume obsession... I enjoy vampire knight, not just 2 characters out of it.

Lol, I'm calm. There's no need to bring God's name into this. I'm just amazed at some fans and their reaction towards each chapter. My Yume obsession you say? Hmmm...so now Yumes are obsessed for enjoying Yume moments and I suppose Zekis are the sane ones. Well, alright then. I'm Yume obsessed can't help it they are one hell of a sexy couple. XD

On a serious note thought, I don't think I ever said Zekis had to find the Yume moments romantic. What ever gave you that idea? Eh? Disappoint me, more like I find it amusing how Zekis think everytime Yuuki gets mad at Kaname she'll run and declare her undying love to Zero.

Let's be honest, Zekis find it romantic how one moment Zero is pointing his gun at Yuuki and the next he's kissing her because Zero's character is tsundere, right? So, what's wrong with Yumes thinking it's kinky when Kaname is pinning Yuuki to the ground in battle? We already know that they are not seriously fighting each other as they both said so..and that was my point here.


I do find some Zeki moments cute, btw. Like Zero hitting Yuuki on the head and carrying her bridal style...so don't go assuming I'm Yume obsessed if I make a comment or two about the Zeki fandom. I do think some Yume fans are the same way. I was speaking in general, and I still find it funny how Yuuki gets bash for not acting the way the fans want her too.


As far as being neutral, I doubt anyone can really be neutral. Even I, a fan of both Kaname and Zero and also, I used to ship Zeki can't be neutral coz in reality I'll always favor Kaname/Yume more. So yes, there's bias there. I don't believe people who claim to be neutral unless they ship no one and just enjoy the overall story.

ETA: I'll go ahead and quote myself for those Zekis thinking I want them to find Yume scenes romantic.

ButterflyWingsx wrote:I don't care how Zekis choose to interpret it because if Yuuki was in Zero's arm it would suddenly be romantic even tho Zero and Yuuki still have the friend/ally thing going for them no romantic development yet

See the bolded part there...yeah. I don't care, just saying. *shrugs*

If you really didn't care then you wouldn't have made the original post to begin with. :/ Sorry if I offended by saying that ShikixRima was the only couple moment if that's what brought this on... but it's just my opinion. I really didn't see the yume hug as romantic, but more as a tense situation since Kaname was about to be killed, and If I were a yume I wouldn't be going "Aww they're so adorable!This chapter was so yume! x3" I'd be thinking " Noo Kaname don't die! Yay Yuuki protected him!" I actually was worried that Yuuki would get hurt in Kaname's place. o.O I'm sorry, but I still have to agree with SassyKnight. Yuuki protecting Kaname was of course a natural reaction, but that doesn't mean there wasn't love behind it... Yuuki does still love Kaname, so even if they were just in battle, if he's about to be killed by the enemy of course she'd protect him. I don't think Yuuki planned on killing him but like she said just to stop him. And yea, i'm not neutral, but I really did see THIS chapter as a neutral one pairing-wise...because it was pretty much focused on the action the whole chapter and the pairings aren't what VK is all about. :/ If you want to label it as a yume chapter be my guest, it's your opinion, but I label it as the epic all-out vampire fight chapter! I know it's probably weird for to enjoy action in a shoujo manga but I do. ^^; VK needs more action and less sexual tension if you ask me...>.>

Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:If you really didn't care then you wouldn't have made the original post to begin with. :/ Sorry if I offended by saying that ShikixRima was the only couple moment if that's what brought this on... but it's just my opinion. I really didn't see the yume hug as romantic, but more as a tense situation since Kaname was about to be killed, and If I were a yume I wouldn't be going "Aww they're so adorable!This chapter was so yume! x3" I'd be thinking " Noo Kaname don't die! Yay Yuuki protected him!" I actually was worried that Yuuki would get hurt in Kaname's place. o.O I'm sorry, but I still have to agree with SassyKnight. Yuuki protecting Kaname was of course a natural reaction, but that doesn't mean there wasn't love behind it... Yuuki does still love Kaname, so even if they were just in battle, if he's about to be killed by the enemy of course she'd protect him. I don't think Yuuki planned on killing him but like she said just to stop him. And yea, i'm not neutral, but I really did see THIS chapter as a neutral one pairing-wise...because it was pretty much focused on the action the whole chapter and the pairings aren't what VK is all about. :/ If you want to label it as a yume chapter be my guest, it's your opinion, but I label it as the epic all-out vampire fight chapter! I know it's probably weird for to enjoy action in a shoujo manga but I do. ^^; VK needs more action and less sexual tension if you ask me...>.>

Please don't confuse me being confused by your logic for me caring. If you feel that I'm offended by all means feel free to think so. It doesn't matter either way, we all entitled to our opinions after all. I'm not labeling the chapter as a Yume chapter just enjoying the Yume moments within the chapter and not jumping to any conclusions. For all I know, Kaname and Yuuki could start fighting again in the next chapter. Is it a crime for Yume fans to enjoy Yume moments? I don't think it is, since Zekis have the same right and are allowed to do the same. I'm sure some Zekis think this chapter had Zeki hints because they were both fighting Kaname or watever>.< but on to the point...

I'm glad you at least admit you're not neutral. I never said this chapter is all Yume romance and ZOMG they're gonna make love on the battlefield its just you misinterpreting what I said here.

How do you know I don't enjoy the action in VK that I'm all about the pairings? Action is what I want actually in the next chapter but more with Sara than with the main trio. I think Sara has the potential to be a bad ass villain, but sadly she didn't really get to do anything epic.

So far all you did was draw conclusions and assume things, still not bother to explain my initial question. How is it that the Shiki&Rima moment was a "couple" moment and the Yume moment not a "couple" moment? o.O

I highlighted below what in your post made me scratch my head in confusion. I can see I'm not gonna get an answer other than just you calling me Yume obsessed and evading the question. So, I won't hold my breath waiting for a reply.

Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:I agree, the chapter wasn't about "couples" at all... People it's not all the story revolves around. o.O For me, I saw an epic all-out vampire fight... x3 ( a symbol the story is drawing to a close maybe, since Part 1 of VK ended with Cross Academy falling apart, and now the Hunter Assoc. is falling apart.) the only "couple" moment was Shiki&Rima. And it was very adorable might i say <3

I was more focus on your contradiction more then anything else. Sorry you felt the need to explain to me if you were a Yume what you'd be worried about. I'm not worried about Kaname or anyone's death atm when and if it happens I'll worry about it then, k? *winks*

kanamekuranlover wrote:

Li.llium wrote:
Who knows what will happen? Who knows, HW materializes and then we see the hand of Rido standing over a coffin ...

kaname wants to kill himself so maybe he will do or say something unforgivable but maybe hw spirit stops him or do something which changes the game.

...Perhaps Kaname intends to eventually repeat the ritual that Rido performed on him? Does anyone think that maybe Kaname plans on sacrificing a pureblood to summon the Hooded Woman? Perhaps then Yuuki might get an explanation from the ancestor woman herself!

Spoiler:

In this last chapter, the HW's furnace pierced Sara's body but she has not yet disintegrated into dust and ashes. Could the Hooded Woman be reincarnated in the place of Sara, like Kaname was in Yuuki's infant brother?

kanamekuranlover wrote: maybe this time something really cool happens,i wanna see hw spirit for once,she deserves to make a cameo

Whether it be in body or just in spirit / memory, I definitely think that we'll be seeing more of the HW before Vampire Knight reaches its conclusion. Maybe it'll be enough if Kaname finally gives Yuuki the full story of what happened all those centuries ago, and how that links to Kaname's motivation now.

Although she's never had an 'active' role to play in the present story before Chapter 84, so much of the story's plot seems to revolve around the HW's life and her resolve to sacrifice herself to bring aid to humans. There are so many questions left unanswered about who she really was, what she meant to Kaname and what her will truly was for VK to end without clarification And now with the furnace awakening to intervene in this battle, the questions just keep piling up in my mind...

Kara wrote:

kanamekuranlover wrote:

Li.llium wrote:
Who knows what will happen? Who knows, HW materializes and then we see the hand of Rido standing over a coffin ...

kaname wants to kill himself so maybe he will do or say something unforgivable but maybe hw spirit stops him or do something which changes the game.

...Perhaps Kaname intends to eventually repeat the ritual that Rido performed on him? Does anyone think that maybe Kaname plans on sacrificing a pureblood to summon the Hooded Woman? Perhaps then Yuuki might get an explanation from the ancestor woman herself!

Spoiler:

In this last chapter, the HW's furnace pierced Sara's body but she has not yet disintegrated into dust and ashes. Could the Hooded Woman be reincarnated in the place of Sara, like Kaname was in Yuuki's infant brother?

kanamekuranlover wrote: maybe this time something really cool happens,i wanna see hw spirit for once,she deserves to make a cameo

Whether it be in body or just in spirit / memory, I definitely think that we'll be seeing more of the HW before Vampire Knight reaches its conclusion. Maybe it'll be enough if Kaname finally gives Yuuki the full story of what happened all those centuries ago, and how that links to Kaname's motivation now.

Although she's never had an 'active' role to play in the present story before Chapter 84, so much of the story's plot seems to revolve around the HW's life and her resolve to sacrifice herself to bring aid to humans. There are so many questions left unanswered about who she really was, what she meant to Kaname and what her will truly was for VK to end without clarification And now with the furnace awakening to intervene in this battle, the questions just keep piling up in my mind...

kaname is not in yuuki's brother's body,his brother's body was torn apart by rido,kaname turned himself to a baby,sara got pierced by mother metal,there are high hopes of her death.

kanamekuranlover wrote:

Kara wrote:
...Perhaps Kaname intends to eventually repeat the ritual that Rido performed on him? Does anyone think that maybe Kaname plans on sacrificing a pureblood to summon the Hooded Woman? Perhaps then Yuuki might get an explanation from the ancestor woman herself!

kaname is not in yuuki's brother's body,his brother's body was torn apart by rido. kaname turned himself to a baby,sara got pierced by mother metal,there are high hopes of her death.

This is true

Kaname isn't in Yuuki's brother's body; I was under the impression that the baby boy was a sacrifice of some sort Or was the baby Kuran killed just so Kaname could adopt his identity and replace him as Yuuki's 'brother'?

(Feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken here. I think I need to go back and revise some chapters of VK; I'm just going off what I can remember, and it's been a long time since I read that chapter! )

My speculation was that maybe the HW didn't die..? We know that she threw her own heart into the fire, but is that enough to kill a pureblood vampire?

Again, it's been a while since I've read some of the earlier chapters, but I believe that a PB would need a fatal blow to the heart / head with an anti-vampire weapon to truly die?

Perhaps her spirit was in eternal slumber within the furnace? The 'essence' of her has been described as being strong by both Yuuki and Kaname when they came within proximity of the HA.

If this were the case, could she be awakened from her slumber in the same way that Kaname was? Is it possible for her to actually return (not just in metal)?

(I'll admit that perhaps that's a little too far-fetched a theory But anything can happen...Hino is quite unpredictable, as we all saw in Chapter 84 I'm just excited about seeing how Kaname will react to seeing the HW's metal come alive )

Kara wrote:

kanamekuranlover wrote:

Kara wrote:
...Perhaps Kaname intends to eventually repeat the ritual that Rido performed on him? Does anyone think that maybe Kaname plans on sacrificing a pureblood to summon the Hooded Woman? Perhaps then Yuuki might get an explanation from the ancestor woman herself!

kaname is not in yuuki's brother's body,his brother's body was torn apart by rido. kaname turned himself to a baby,sara got pierced by mother metal,there are high hopes of her death.

This is true

Kaname isn't in Yuuki's brother's body; I was under the impression that the baby boy was a sacrifice of some sort Or was the baby Kuran killed just so Kaname could adopt his identity and replace him as Yuuki's 'brother'?

(Feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken here. I think I need to go back and revise some chapters of VK; I'm just going off what I can remember, and it's been a long time since I read that chapter! )

My speculation was that maybe the HW didn't die..? We know that she threw her own heart into the fire, but is that enough to kill a pureblood vampire?

Again, it's been a while since I've read some of the earlier chapters, but I believe that a PB would need a fatal blow to the heart / head with an anti-vampire weapon to truly die?

Perhaps her spirit was in eternal slumber within the furnace? The 'essence' of her has been described as being strong by both Yuuki and Kaname when they came within proximity of the HA.

If this were the case, could she be awakened from her slumber in the same way that Kaname was? Is it possible for her to actually return (not just in metal)?

(I'll admit that perhaps that's a little too far-fetched a theory But anything can happen...Hino is quite unpredictable, as we all saw in Chapter 84 I'm just excited about seeing how Kaname will react to seeing the HW's metal come alive )

her awakening sure will bring some things in revealation to everyone,i wanna ask a thing,is it young aido dono in this chapter who is talking.

we all know that he had a deep respect for kurans and monarchy.just tell me.


in ch 64 page 6,i am not allowed to post links here.