Zero and The Hooded Woman White Knight Theory

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SecretWhiteRose wrote:Hi all,wanted to share a theory i had since february 2012 when i posted it,the original link was deleted in other forum(other website),there excuse was that i told them to delete it.which i never did.

I have posted my Theory here,be aware this could be Possible Spoilers. click at your own choice

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lucykaede wrote:
if zero turns into a pureblood and then yuuki still choses kaname,he will sacrifice himself.till now a big obstacle in zeki relationship is them not having same timeline.if zero surpasses that obstacle,he becomes equal of kaname.a pureblood needs his lover to survive,if yuuki choses zero it leads to kaname's death and if she choses kaname it leads to zero's death.

means someone will die in the end if zero turns immortal suddenly.your theory is very unique and makes sense well atleast to me.so who knows?maybe a part of it becomes reality in the manga.

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SecretWhiteRose wrote:

lucykaede wrote:
if zero turns into a pureblood and then yuuki still choses kaname,he will sacrifice himself.till now a big obstacle in zeki relationship is them not having same timeline.if zero surpasses that obstacle,he becomes equal of kaname.a pureblood needs his lover to survive,if yuuki choses zero it leads to kaname's death and if she choses kaname it leads to zero's death.

means someone will die in the end if zero turns immortal suddenly.your theory is very unique and makes sense well atleast to me.so who knows?maybe a part of it becomes reality in the manga.

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lucykaede wrote:
i also don't want zero to die but i don't want kaname to die either.don't worry i am sure zero will not die.reason-well hino said they are key for co-existence,if someone dies in the trio,co-existence makes no sense.kaname's death means sadness for yuuki,zero's death serves nothing to the story.even if someone dies,hino will justify it like she did with jurika.zero sacrificing for yuuki is understandable,if he sacrifices for kaname then it will be ironic.

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SecretWhiteRose wrote:

lucykaede wrote:
i also don't want zero to die but i don't want kaname to die either.don't worry i am sure zero will not die.reason-well hino said they are key for co-existence,if someone dies in the trio,co-existence makes no sense.kaname's death means sadness for yuuki,zero's death serves nothing to the story.even if someone dies,hino will justify it like she did with jurika.zero sacrificing for yuuki is understandable,if he sacrifices for kaname then it will be ironic.

also bear with me here,i have posted same thing said in this reply post from other post,for those who read this topic and don't know.

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ok thats all i can think of for now on what could happen,hopefully next chapter will be more about zero.I dont think most of what is said above is to become true,maybe some parts might, Like the control Kaname has over Zero.you never know.

lucykaede wrote:
zero can't surpass kaname,thats for sure and it can also be true yuuki is his past wife.but zero as a hooded woman reincarnation and kaname loving hw more than yuuki.not possible.kaname told very early in manga that he loves yuuki more than anything else in the world.and also hw died.why would he want to follow her in death if its not for yuuki's sake?

mariangie wrote:Hey , I know this has nothing to do with HW . But at last I have a theory why Zero can't be controlled by a pureblood . Because he has Yuuki's blood inside .

As Yuuki's power is to nullify spells . Zero drank a bit of her blood . With her blood active inside Zero . This little blood can act as a buffer to nullify another pureblood mind control trick over Zero .

SecretWhiteRose wrote:

lucykaede wrote:
zero can't surpass kaname,thats for sure and it can also be true yuuki is his past wife.but zero as a hooded woman reincarnation and kaname loving hw more than yuuki.not possible.kaname told very early in manga that he loves yuuki more than anything else in the world.and also hw died.why would he want to follow her in death if its not for yuuki's sake?

kein mentions from remember reading will have to refind the part,unless someone remembers it and knows where coming from.
He says to kaname about the weapons,saying they are not her anymore,she has already passed on,only her essence of her memories in her heart cling into the weapons/furnace,it wont bring her back he says to kaname.something around those line,refering to the hooded woman.

I think there more to hooded woman/kaname relationship hino has yet to reveal,we only get small idea of her character,and what she might be for kaname.

Kaname loves Yuuki since she is most likely the reincarnation of his wife,the one who he started the Kuran clan with.

I think Kaname might have loved the hooded woman aswell.It mentions she was the first one to befriend Kaname and teach him what they where.in little glimps we see into kaname past.

I think Loosing her and her being his first true friend,would hurt alot,because its was his idea to what caused her to end up dead,meaning the hooded woman must have felt love towards kaname even though there time was short,She protected him,and gave her life away towards him and also the humans,because she belived in peace,between humans and Vampires,as she tells Kaname even though her parents where Humans,they still loved her regardless.


Only after His future wife comes along and helps him recover picking up the piece of kaname heart.while Kaname possible thinking of a life together with the hooded woman,a what iff.
if he never made that plan she would still be here with him.


I feel kaname is killing the purebloods off so he can protect Yuuki,First post i made please look towards the image with the scene with kaname and yuuki and zero together.

also The hooded woman remaining life force in the furnance seems to have died,yet three remaing weapons are still okay,meaning not all of her is gone yet,Kaname knowing this,Has decided to become the new Metal for the weapons to fight against the vampires.

though to be honost i dont think that his true plans,to just die off like that,Kaname is a planner,he always one step ahead of the game.

By SecretWhiteRose :

also intresting fact with zero fighting his blood lust for 4 years,He has aged from a child to a teen! From what seen so far in lv E with kids,they seems to stay stuck at this age,unless otherwise mentions.
Also point,He shouldn't be able to age at all,being stuck forvere since being bitton,is most common theme. Shizuka lover didnt age either,when she turnd him,he was still in his 20's

perhaps Zero resisting the blood lust for 4 years and aging into his teens means Zero has bigger role in the future,Even with the hooded woman blood in him,making him more resistent to blood lust effect and aging.That shouldn't have happen at all.


Seems mostly only Pureblood or Noble are able age to there 20's and stop aging.well the purebloods wont age,but the nobles will age slowly

1- The base aging rate for a vampire until adulthood ( around the middle twenties ) is one vampire year for each 2 human years .

2- Purebloods age at the rate of 1 vampire year for each 2 human years until adulthood . Then stop aging . Are theorically inmortal .

3- Level B or Noble vampires age at the rate of 1 vampire year for each 2 human years until adulthood . Then slow their aging rate to about 20 human years for each vampire years until dying . Life span about 500 to 700 human years ( 1000 years tops ) .

4 - Level C or common vampires . Age one vampire year for each 2 human years until dying . Life span about 200 human years .

5- Level D and E ( ex - humans ) vampires . Probably ages the same as Level C : one vampire year for each 2 human years until dying . but their life expectancy varies a little . Because their age as humans until the time they become vampires . So they tend to live a little less than Level C . so they could live anything between 100 to 200 years .

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mariangie wrote:
A quick recap of my aging theory :

1- The base aging rate for a vampire until adulthood ( around the middle twenties ) is one vampire year for each 2 human years .

2- Purebloods age at the rate of 1 vampire year for each 2 human years until adulthood . Then stop aging . Are theorically inmortal .

3- Level B or Noble vampires age at the rate of 1 vampire year for each 2 human years until adulthood . Then slow their aging rate to about 20 human years for each vampire years until dying . Life span about 500 to 700 human years ( 1000 years tops ) .

4 - Level C or common vampires . Age one vampire year for each 2 human years until dying . Life span about 200 human years .

5- Level D and E ( ex - humans ) vampires . Probably ages the same as Level C : one vampire year for each 2 human years until dying . but their life expectancy varies a little . Because their age as humans until the time they become vampires . So they tend to live a little less than Level C . so they could live anything between 100 to 200 years .

The case of Zero is strange . As he has aged exactly as a normal human so far .

1- Could be because he resisted the vampire transformation for 4 years . So he continued to age as a normal human for that period of time . Now as a full vampire , he started to age at the rate of one vampire year for each 2 human years .

2- Could be that Level D and E continues to age as normal humans until adulthood . Then change their rate to the one vampire year for each 2 huamn years until dying .

Either way , Zero is now 18 human years old in appearance .

The story has absolutely no evidence of any other Level D or E vampire aging rate . We don't know how old the vampire ex - human kid nor Shizuka's lover were . Nor for how long they were vampires .

For Shizuka's lover , at least I can speculate he was already a young adult when he was turned into a vampire . Also that Shizuka was freed by Kaname sometime after Yuuki's become a human . This probably makes the time that Level D vampire guy lived as a vampire less than 10 years in total . So he probably had not aged more than 3 or 4 vampire years before dying .

The important thing is : how Zero can live more than the usual time span for a Level D vampire ?

I presume most people can speculate Zero gained more powers after drinking pureblood's blood . Including a longer life span .

Zero already has improved healing powers after becoming a vampire . But what I think is related to purebloods inmortality is their regeneration power . The same power that allows purebloods to replace full parts of their bodies if cut or destroyed . And for now there is no evidence Zero can perform this same trick .

Also I don't think making Zero inmortal is the way Hino would resolve the life span issue in the Zeki relationship . It could sound as a cheap way to equalize Zero and Yuuki's life spans .

theangelgirl1992 wrote:So just because they seem to have the same hair and eye color then there must be a reason behind it? Why do I get the feeling this is more a wish fulfillment that there is some mysterious importance about Zero then it actually is? I can get why Zero is a fan favorite, but let's not get overboard. Yuuki on the other hand there is something about her. At least there is a similarity between Yuuki and the hooded woman that gets far less credit then it deserves.






Look at the face structure of both Yuuki and the Hooded woman. The eyes, the set of the nose and mouth. It is remarkable similar. The only difference is the hair color and the fact Yuuki's features are more childlike, but that is it. Though it is according to the time setting impossible that the hooded woman is the mother of the Kuran Clan I do think that the hooded woman had a part to the Kuran Clan then just preventing Kaname from sacrificing his life. I sincerely believe there is more to Yuuki then just being the current Kuran princess. I mean there must have been a reason why Rido, a mad power hungry man, wanted Yuuki then her just being A Juuri 2.0.

Duskola wrote:Well, I got a headache =___=

I think HW and Zero are very similar simply because

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The symbols in the arts of Hino are interesting, too. And I think that Zero is becoming something we don't know yet. I'm still very skeptical about him becoming a PB, based on what we know of PBs until now (they came out from nothing because of very hard climate changes, they can't have in their blood any human genes, and so on). From what I understood of the Twin Legend, it seems that one of them is usually more strong than any other Hunter, because he takes the strength of his brother when they are in her mother's womb. And this is exactly what happens to Zero and Ichiru. We have no hints at all that this means "Oh, well. When there are twins, usually one of them is a PB". If Zero is really becoming a PB, we shall see this soon. And have a good explanation from Hino, because this contradicts a lot of her previous statements. But for now, all I know is that Zero is the strongest Hunter of the Association and that he may have more genes of the ancestor than many others. Stop.

Ah, and as for the theory of Zero becoming a PB after absorbing HW's heart (did I understood well? ooooh my headache =__=), and so on

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Still, interesting theories. I like to find hints here and there to foretell how is going to end, too, so I understand perfectly!

Because of EVIL HINO that likes talking by symbols!

I built up a theory of multidimensional mirrors filled with butterflies, too but I spare you!

As for the scene in which Yuuki sees the coffin in Zero's heart, here it is.


And here is another enigmatic opening: what do you think about it?



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I'm not telling Zero becoming a PB is absolutely impossible. With Hino, everything is possible. I'm only telling that I will believe it when I read it, and as for now we have no true hints of that, it will surely be a surprise!

And Zero can't be the reincarnation of the hooded woman, because she gave up her whole essence to the vampire hunters. Both her heart, blood and soul. It was her soul that recognized Kaname in chapter 85. There might be a slight truth to your theory that zero's ancestors drank her blood, and perhaps took some of her genes to their offspring, but further I see no possible connection to zero and the HW.

Yuuki with two Wolfs represeting Zero and Kaname.hint:This is a pureblood ability.yet zero is able to use the ability in this picture.Zero is carring the genetics of the hooded woman,the body.The heart is the weapons,so most likely the heart will return to the body(zero) which might be other way to revive a pureblood.

Here is where my very own crack idea started . That Kaname indeed had a daughter with HW . Maybe one who looks exactly as Yuuki . Except for gray or purple eyes .

juliet wrote:

And Zero can't be the reincarnation of the hooded woman, because she gave up her whole essence to the vampire hunters. Both her heart, blood and soul. It was her soul that recognized Kaname in chapter 85. There might be a slight truth to your theory that zero's ancestors drank her blood, and perhaps took some of her genes to their offspring, but further I see no possible connection to zero and the HW.

Ι agree with you, it would be very hard for a reincarnated person to be to both places...

but Zero may hold a strong resemblance to her yes due to his genes ( a little more description from Hino could have helped us...

the closest or strongest connection that i think that the story could back up between Zero and HW could be through genes since Zero's ancestors were also supposed to be among the strongest vampire hunters > it is a hint that perhaps could tell us that they absorbed quite well her power in an advanced level through her blood.

Yuuki with two Wolfs represeting Zero and Kaname.hint:This is a pureblood ability.yet zero is able to use the ability in this picture.Zero is carring the genetics of the hooded woman,the body.The heart is the weapons,so most likely the heart will return to the body(zero) which might be other way to revive a pureblood.

If the concentration of HW's genes in Zero is quite high due to his genes, it is possible though that Zero can reach with a physical state of power equivalent to a pureblood without being one actually.

The term pureblood is used to describe the clean, pure lineage of vampires that do not have a single drop of human blood to their bodies> Zero is a descedant of humans whose blood was transformed to a superior one through the process of consuming a pureblood> this is like becoming vampires without fangs in a way > this special race became known as their hunters due to their ability to wield the weapons, an ability that was transmitted to them through the pureblood's powers they consumed.

but Zero got the fangs also when changed to level e. So he is not a pureblood by definition but he has consumed a lot of pure blood, he is a vampire himself and could reach potentially a higher level of power, bringing him close to this level.

Here is where my very own crack idea started . That Kaname indeed had a daughter with HW . Maybe one who looks exactly as Yuuki . Except for gray or purple eyes .

I am not sure i do like this theory also Maria, not that i do not see it possible as a piece of fiction but due to ethical issues that it could create and dispute among fans> i doubt that Hino would create such an issue in a shoujo. Would be one of the hardest things to deal with.

@Secretwild rose, welcome to the forum ( i do not remember greeting you) but please do allow the flow of some ideas and theories, if the posts get out of topic, preventing the thread's main discussion, the moderation team shall handle this. Thank you.

juliet wrote:

Yuuki with two Wolfs represeting Zero and Kaname.hint:This is a pureblood ability.yet zero is able to use the ability in this picture.Zero is carring the genetics of the hooded woman,the body.The heart is the weapons,so most likely the heart will return to the body(zero) which might be other way to revive a pureblood.

If the concentration of HW's genes in Zero is quite high due to his genes, it is possible though that Zero can reach with a physical state of power equivalent to a pureblood without being one actually.

The term pureblood is used to describe the clean, pure lineage of vampires that do not have a single drop of human blood to their bodies> Zero is a descedant of humans whose blood was transformed to a superior one through the process of consuming a pureblood> this is like becoming vampires without fangs in a way > this special race became known as their hunters due to their ability to wield the weapons, an ability that was transmitted to them through the pureblood's powers they consumed.

but Zero got the fangs also when changed to level e. So he is not a pureblood by definition but he has consumed a lot of pure blood, he is a vampire himself and could reach potentially a higher level of power, bringing him close to this level.


@Secretwild rose, welcome to the forum ( i do not remember greeting you) but please do allow the flow of some ideas and theories, if the posts get out of topic, preventing the thread's main discussion, the moderation team shall handle this. Thank you.

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I don't know how many exactly . The only evidence I have was from the time Kaname " met " HW for the first time to the time they remet . Kaname lived as lord of a human village for at least 3 human generations . Because the humans start to notice their lord didn't age as he was supposed to . This means if HW has a human sibling . He / she already died before the time she make her sacrifice .

So the closest a human could had being relative of HW at the time she sacrificed herself was to be her great - grand niece or nephew . Not her sibling .

The term pureblood is used to describe the clean, pure lineage of vampires that do not have a single drop of human blood to their bodies> Zero is a descedant of humans whose blood was transformed to a superior one through the process of consuming a pureblood> this is like becoming vampires without fangs in a way > this special race became known as their hunters due to their ability to wield the weapons, an ability that was transmitted to them through the pureblood's powers they consumed.

but Zero got the fangs also when changed to level e. So he is not a pureblood by definition but he has consumed a lot of pure blood, he is a vampire himself and could reach potentially a higher level of power, bringing him close to this level.

Its possible,and if hino pulled it off right it would be great twist in the story,Kinda bored after Yuuki become a pureblood.I thought for sure Yuuki(Human) would fall for Kaname(pureblood) but them being blood related...akward

The first picture,mentions whats guarding the coffin is only a lingering memories!!!! kein cross tell kaname that the weapons are just a Lingering Memories from the hooded woman and it can never bring her back!! the Coffins are covered in Roses and thorns/Vines. (Bloody Rose)Also Zero fears turning into monster like kaname..meaning a Pureblood would be the worst for him! He still need to learn the lesson not all purebloods are Evil,He also seems to respect the hooded woman for what she did for the Hunters,so its a small idea waiting to evolve.

It wouldnt surprise that there was daughter born from an union of Kaname + HW and Kaname eventually started the Kuran clan with his daughter. This explains the similarity between Yuuki and HW, why Yuuki recognized HW, the beginning of kurancest, and why Yuuki and juuri have brown hair and even a reddish tint.

What can be the most secret mystery in V. K., is who was the person who Kaname was crying in despair the day / night Yuuki see in her vision in front of the Kuran Mausoleum door . Because that person wasn't HW . Who had sacrificed herself thousand of years before that event .

Here is where my very own crack idea started . That Kaname indeed had a daughter with HW . Maybe one who looks exactly as Yuuki . Except for gray or purple eyes . And this girl was the one who ended marrying Kaname . Explaining the start of the Kurancest . Who was the first female owner of Artemis . Who make Kaname change his plans to kill all purebloods . Creating the way for the start of the Kuran monarchy . As she made Kaname see it was better to try to coexist with humans . Instead of exterminating their own race . Who ended killed and become the reason for Kaname's despair . And most of all , the past life of Yuuki . The one who Kaname was talking about when he said he didn't want Yuuki to sacrifice herself for a second time .

Yuuki was born a pureblood vampire . No human genes at all . The spell her mom performed made dormant her vampire genes . Making her " human " . But Yuuki's pureblood vampire genes never dissapeared . That's why her body eventually tried to break her mom's spells . And the reason she returned to be a pureblood vampire when Kaname bite her . Instead of a Level D vampire .

Mega weird speculation . Could that twin sibling of HW be Kaname ?????????? At least she appeared to know Kaname from her past . And Kaname didn't remember his own far past prior to meeting her .