Vampire-Zero new style?

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What did you think about Zero's style in chapter 63? You know, I had not noticed him that much but he is turning so handsome...really he suddenly has that vampirish look, a more mature style (it reminds me more of Kaname). Did you like it?
I actually do not enjoy seeing him so vampirish (it's not what we had been used by Zero)...but on the other had his skectch has been improved far more lately. Hino making Zero more of a man than a boy?
What does she changed his style? Any ideas?

juliet wrote:

roronoa-zoro wrote:Yeah Zero is so predictable and boriiiiiiiing, it makes you wonder why people keep talking about him all the time... ain't it funny?
On topic : I love the "new" Zero : mature, dutiful, sexy, composed (most of the time)...as long as Hino keeps things this way, I'm liking it. What is inside this coffin? Level-E, his feelings or both... I definitely want to learn more about it!!

After spending two years talking about nothing more than Kaname with the Zeki fans? no I do not think is funny, it's a change for once. (do not know how much is going to last though LOL:D. But honestly, Roronoa, isn't Zero's base character far more of a stereotype? the original hurt character that has to overcome difficulties and all that?

Are you implying because we're Zero fans, it automatically means we have bad tastes? Rohhhhhh *paranoid state, don't take it seriously* I like stereotype characters as much as the mysterious/evil/villains ones, I think they all have something to give in the end. They are all important to the plot imo. You don't think this way, fine, to each it's own, I don't criticize/make fun of you because you share a different opinion than mine, I respect yours and I just expect the same from you.
I can see you're bitter, probably hold some grudges against some fans ...after spending many years in VK fandom, I can totally understand you, there are times, you can't take it anymore, you are on the defensive all the time. But the thing is it's not fair to take on people just because you're angry. The other side (Zeki) think the same way as you, they aren't really happy when others make fun of their tastes or when they don't take seriously their opinions/theories...that's why sometimes, you will see them resort to sarcasm (like many love to do here)or if they're meek enough/or fed up with the whole thing, they will ignore it altogether.
VK fandom is crazy sometimes, people can't talk peacefully about things (characters motives, plot, LT) without it ending in fights. That's sad to say the least.

I now rest my case.

PS : sorry if it seems like I vented my anger on you, that was not my intention (far from it actually, my previous post wasn't even aim at you at all) but I had to get it out of my chest somehow...

@SweetSolace VK fandom has become quite paranoid over the years, what can I say about it? Trolling, flaming, resort to sarcasm have become common things in this fandom. That's all I have to say to you

Edit : thanks for the negative vote btw

@roronoa
LOL. cant help but notice when you say "VK fandom has become quite paranoid over the years" does that mean you are part of that? lol.
ok no one really said anything about Zero being boring just because he is predictable, but yes Zero IS considered predictable, whether its good or bad depends on how you take it and it seems you're taking it the wrong way...
Zero is predictable because of the reasons I already mentioned, you can actually tell what's on his mind just by looking at his personality as tsundere, just looking at his actions as tsundere, he even has a matching chinese zodiac sign that matches him perfectly (while Kaname's still debatable) it doesn't take so much thinking to tell what kind of character Zero is, or what he's thinking, or what he plans next because his personality and conflict are all already laid out. But this is of course in comparison to Kaname, they are both very different. Other characters are also predictable, this doesnt make them "boring" IMO, but it depends on preference.

Trolling, flaming, resort to sarcasm have become common things in this fandom. That's all I have to say to you

coming from a fan who's reacting badly to what was meant to be an observation, I dont really know what to say to you lol...

[quote="roronoa-zoro"]

Are you implying because we're Zero fans, it automatically means we have bad tastes? Rohhhhhh *paranoid state, don't take it seriously*

*Οf course I won't LOL...

I like stereotype characters as much as the mysterious/evil/villains ones, I think they all have something to give in the end. They are all important to the plot imo. You don't think this way, fine, to each it's own, I don't criticize/make fun of you because you share a different opinion than mine, I respect yours and I just expect the same from you.

Good, I also like some stereotypes characters and of course there are important to the plot since the author decided to include them and give them a role to play, there is nothing there to argue about.

Well, my answer came from the fact that you said...

Yeah Zero is so predictable and boriiiiiiiing, it makes you wonder why people keep talking about him all the time... ain't it funny?

and as I said it's preety logical for fans to want to discuss Zero too...that's normal especially since we are supposed to be VK fans and not just Kaname's fans. Especially Yumes (and no sarcasm here is intended) have been discussing Kaname with Zekis for ages without complaining for a quite a long time but its a worn-out phenomenon. Shouldn't the other side (Zekis) should be ready to discuss as well and also perhaps hear and some unpleasant things about the character it supports? It goes both ways. So where is the funny part about it? Or the bitterness as you say? If I discuss Kaname I am not bitter but if I discuss Zero, I held grudges against others? No, I do not agree with this logic.

I can see you're bitter, probably hold some grudges against some fans ...after spending many years in VK fandom, I can totally understand you, there are times, you can't take it anymore, you are on the defensive all the time. But the thing is it's not fair to take on people just because you're angry.

You mean me personally?

sweetsolace wrote:@roronoa
LOL. cant help but notice when you say "VK fandom has become quite paranoid over the years" does that mean you are part of that? lol.
ok no one really said anything about Zero being boring just because he is predictable, but yes Zero IS considered predictable, whether its good or bad depends on how you take it and it seems you're taking it the wrong way...
Zero is predictable because of the reasons I already mentioned, you can actually tell what's on his mind just by looking at his personality as tsundere, just looking at his actions as tsundere, he even has a matching chinese zodiac sign that matches him perfectly (while Kaname's still debatable) it doesn't take so much thinking to tell what kind of character Zero is, or what he's thinking, or what he plans next because his personality and conflict are all already laid out. But this is of course in comparison to Kaname, they are both very different. Other characters are also predictable, this doesnt make them "boring" IMO, but it depends on preference.

I gladly include myself into it, I think it's unavoidable to become paranoid with some fans...5 years of some fans nonsenses, anyone would become insane, believe me.
If you didn't mean harm, okay, I rest my case on this.

Trolling, flaming, resort to sarcasm have become common things in this fandom. That's all I have to say to you

coming from a fan who's reacting badly to what was meant to be an observation, I dont really know what to say to you lol...

At least, I'm not mocking the other camp in most of my posts...it seems like an hobby to you?!? Am I wrong?

I won't reply any further. Peace.

@Juliet
No, I meant in general. Both Zeki and Yume are concerned. I personally hold grudges as well after spending so many years in this fandom. That's not only you.
I'm ready to discuss about Zero's character as much as Kaname...I don't mind criticism over characters (Zero, Kaname)(as for Zero : diss him, criticize him, hate him, insult him, burn him at the stake, I don't CARE, he is not real after all), the thing I don't accept (and I will repeat myself on this) is the mocking of fandoms...We're real people for God's sake...I seldom see Zeki fans making fun of your fandom but the other way around is unfortunately quite common (don't deny it). Some Zeki are sure insulting, ranting on Kaname a lot, that's annoying, yeah but guess what, Kaname won't give a damn about it because he doesn't exist.

roronoa-zoro wrote:

sweetsolace wrote:@roronoa
LOL. cant help but notice when you say "VK fandom has become quite paranoid over the years" does that mean you are part of that? lol.
ok no one really said anything about Zero being boring just because he is predictable, but yes Zero IS considered predictable, whether its good or bad depends on how you take it and it seems you're taking it the wrong way...
Zero is predictable because of the reasons I already mentioned, you can actually tell what's on his mind just by looking at his personality as tsundere, just looking at his actions as tsundere, he even has a matching chinese zodiac sign that matches him perfectly (while Kaname's still debatable) it doesn't take so much thinking to tell what kind of character Zero is, or what he's thinking, or what he plans next because his personality and conflict are all already laid out. But this is of course in comparison to Kaname, they are both very different. Other characters are also predictable, this doesnt make them "boring" IMO, but it depends on preference.

I gladly include myself into it, I think it's unavoidable to become paranoid with some fans...5 years of some fans nonsenses, anyone would become insane, believe me.
If you didn't mean harm, okay, I rest my case on this.

Trolling, flaming, resort to sarcasm have become common things in this fandom. That's all I have to say to you

coming from a fan who's reacting badly to what was meant to be an observation, I dont really know what to say to you lol...

At least, I'm not mocking the other camp in most of my posts...it seems like an hobby to you?!? Am I wrong?

I won't reply any further. Peace.

and the reason it gets long is because someone just starts getting personal. The "I dont want a bashing war [but I'm going to start it anyway by being personal and whining about fans in general if you don't mind]" phrase.. ok seriously... you say "peace" and yet you're going offtopic and personal... who's starting the fight here?

and what mock?

...

you mean when I tell the truth or when I tell the facts? Is that considered mockery?
so the truth hurt you and now you say I'm doing a mockery?

Zero have his own looks and styles, He doesn't remind me of anything near to Kaname, come on guys start giving some credit to Zero! why do you always act as if he's like a side hero or something, don't you get it Zero is the Vampire Knight!

Zero WAS the vampire knight. Kaname had chosen Zero, the VAMPIRE HUNTER, to become the "knight" piece to protect his fiancee from Rido and avenge his twin brother.

VK isn't all about Zero, Vampire_Zero... it's about Kaname and Yuuki as well. There could be a possibility that the hunter may become the "white knight", but we'll just have to wait and find out.

It is always scary when we touch either boys not carefully LOL. I think whether he is the vampire knight or not isn't that relavent here, each of the 3 main characters has a role to fill. But yeah Zero fits the image of a knight the most.

I think Zero's style in 2nd arc is pretty similar to other hunters' style, they mostly wear trench coats and all look super freaking HOT. Zero's and Kaname's styles are pretty different anyway. Too bad he's back to the academy recently and is stuck in the uniform LOL , can't wait for him to go hunt and put on trench coat

loveiszero wrote:It is always scary when we touch either boys not carefully LOL. I think whether he is the vampire knight or not isn't that relavent here, each of the 3 main characters has a role to fill. But yeah Zero fits the image of a knight the most.

I think Zero's style in 2nd arc is pretty similar to other hunters' style, they mostly wear trench coats and all look super freaking HOT. Zero's and Kaname's styles are pretty different anyway. Too bad he's back to the academy recently and is stuck in the uniform LOL , can't wait for him to go hunt and put on trench coat

I think it's vague...remember that Aidou was also called a knight at the front cover of chapter 61, if my memory does not fail me?


Potentially I think that who ever guards and protects the co-existence purposes is a vampire knight...to be more clear with that; Kaname in the past, Zero at the first arc (because he defended the academy and Yuuki against Rido who was the major threat to the co-existence) and now I tend to think that it will be Yuuki's turn, but it's just an estimation.

Yeah, I think that chapters called 2 knights and the princess or something. But since Aidou sorta "resigned" (in chap 74 when he said Zero will be keeping an eye on Yuuki- I dont like this very much) his knight status.

loveiszero wrote:Yeah, I think that chapters called 2 knights and the princess or something. But since Aidou sorta "resigned" (in chap 74 when he said Zero will be keeping an eye on Yuuki- I dont like this very much) his knight status.

Τemporarily I guess he goes for the Vampire Spy status LOL...but we shall see, it's up to what he is up too, that may make him again a knight there (if he uses all that info to aid Yuuki more with her tasks and with Sara's plan).

I think vampire knights are all the characters who protect Yuuki viz the heroine … So Kaname is a vampire knight, Zero and Aidou too. That’s my opinion.

When I compare the characters in VK to the chess pieces I think Kaname fits the role of the black king, Yuuki is the black queen and Zero is the White Knight...

That also portrays their love triangle as well you see since that makes Kaname and Yuuki destined lovers and it declares Zero and Yuuki as enemies, forbidding any other sentiments to exist between them since there is absolutely no way the black queen can ever be with the white knight and she is meant to be with her black king forever..

juliet wrote:
Potentially I think that who ever guards and protects the co-existence purposes is a vampire knight...to be more clear with that; Kaname in the past, Zero at the first arc (because he defended the academy and Yuuki against Rido who was the major threat to the co-existence) and now I tend to think that it will be Yuuki's turn, but it's just an estimation.

I like this explanation, it seems very possible and that all three of them are vampire knights. I agree maybe Yuki will stand as the last vampire knight, the arc was divided into three and Kaname had his role in the first arc... though i'm not sure with Zero, since he seems to go against coexistence, I agree his actions to kill Rido contributed to maintaining peace.

shizza wrote: When I compare the characters in VK to the chess pieces I think Kaname fits the role of the black king, Yuuki is the black queen and Zero is the White Knight...

That also portrays their love triangle as well you see since that makes Kaname and Yuuki destined lovers and it declares Zero and Yuuki as enemies, forbidding any other sentiments to exist between them since there is absolutely no way the black queen can ever be with the white knight and she is meant to be with her black king forever..

As a theory sounds romantic from a Zeki POV but it doesn’t explain or justify why Aidou had the same title.
I think Hino made it clear that the title of the “Vampire Knight” do not belong to one character so Zero isn’t the only knight even if the majority of the Zeki like to think that way.

1. In the first arc he had the role of the knight because he was Yuuki’s shield but apparently he was not the only one … Kaname was always there. Also Hino through Kaname’s voice made Zero the black king that he’d consume everything.
2. Kaname played the black queen there … so both of them were the knights but they had and additional roles …
3. Hino also labelled Aido as a vampire knight <<< from Aidou’s role we can assume more certain that:
a) the title goes to the one who protects the princess aka Yuuki the heroine since that was Aidou’s role …
b) is a general title since at least 2 charas are labelled by the author as vampire knights.
4. The title vampire knight can’t belong to one character cuz if that was the case then this chara should be the undebatable protagonist of the series, and I don’t think that anyone can support that Zero is the ONE protagonist … certainly Kaname fits more since the highest percentage of the plot revolves around him …
5. Furthermore Kaname was always and constantly Yuuki’s protector … in the first arc from the backstage and in the second arc openly.
6. The series begun with Kaname saving Yuuki and as we saw later this was his goal from the moment Yuuki came into this world.

So under that light IF the “crown” of the Vampire knight should go to ONE chara that belongs rightfully to Kaname.
But as I said above I believe that is a general title which belongs to every chara that protects the heroine.

sweetsolace wrote:

juliet wrote: Potentially I think that who ever guards and protects the co-existence purposes is a vampire knight...to be more clear with that; Kaname in the past, Zero at the first arc (because he defended the academy and Yuuki against Rido who was the major threat to the co-existence) and now I tend to think that it will be Yuuki's turn, but it's just an estimation.

I like this explanation, it seems very possible and that all three of them are vampire knights. I agree maybe Yuki will stand as the last vampire knight, the arc was divided into three and Kaname had his role in the first arc... though i'm not sure with Zero, since he seems to go against coexistence, I agree his actions to kill Rido contributed to maintaining peace.

That’s my only reservation as well …

If we try to make the title more wide … like Juliet said previously, that knights are everyone who protects co-existence then in that title fit many charas … Cross, Yuuki, Kaname, the NC which had saved the DC etc … but it doesn’t fit that much to Zero cuz he doesn’t believe in co-existence and none of his actions adds something in that direction directly … maybe indirectly cuz he had protect Yuuki, and if we consider Yuuki as the key for the co-existence then yes he contributed to co-existence but not wittingly. Maybe he’ll fit better if in the future change his stance and as the president of the HA contributes wittingly in co-existence.

mariangie wrote: The thing which has to be inside the coffin in Zero's mind / heart has to be the Level E vampire monster Zero fears most as you said . i don't know why some people insist inside the coffin are Zero's humanity and / or Zero's feelings for Yuuki . Those things had no need to be watched or protected or being keep as prisioners by the guardian figures show during the time Yuuki bites Zero .

Totally agree … and is so clear not only from the depiction (which could let some space for different theories) but is supported from the wordings as well.
The human Yuuki soothes Yuuki >> “Don’t worry … the thing that Zero is most afraid of is sleeping inside here now”.
What is Zero’s biggest fear???? His feelings for Yuuki or his level-e condition??? What is the biggest Yuuki’s anxiety concerning Zero; isn’t his level-eness???
Also the coffin isn’t wrapped only with Zero’s veins or watched only from the human Yuuki … it’s under the sakura tree, which means Shizuka, and is guarded from Kaname’s wolfie as well, viz two symbolism that have nothing to do with Zero’s feelings for Yuuki. And if we could say that Kaname’s presence is one reason of why Zero had to “bury” his feelings for her, Shizuka really doesn’t fit lol. I could say the exact opposite … Shizuka’s extermination and her blood “helped” Zero’s feelings for Yuuki in a sense, cuz he was “free” from his death sentence, ergo more “free” to love her, since in the first arc thought that he had no right to love her cuz he had no future.

Furthermore, if in that coffin are buried his fear for his level-eness along with his feelings for Yuuki that means:
1. That he has buried his feelings (>> viz he is determined to forget her)
2. That if he releases his feelings for her, the nightmare of the level-e could return since are buried in the same coffin.
So really I can’t understand why some Zeki insisting in that theory, cuz at the very least doesn’t serve their ship …

One last observation … the whole scene is placed in a cemetery << again a symbolism of his greatest fear>> death through level-eness.
But I’ve noticed something else … the coffin isn’t exactly buried under the ground … could that mean that Zero isn’t permanently saved? The human Yuuki also says that his fear is sleeping … ??? What if the presence of the guards starts to impoverish? Kaname’s wolfie could be an indication that the blood Zero took from Kaname has no longer the same strong impact and that’s why Yuuki saw only his alter image? Just a thought ...

Now on topic:

mariangie wrote: What can I say different from the things posted her by Sweetsolace ? For me Zero is a fairly predictable character . A tsundere type who tries to show himself to the rest of the society a way completely different from his real personality

I would say, more one-dimensional rather so predictable … maybe predictable in the long run >>> a tsundere type who despite his “barking” in the end doing the right thing or he gives his aid to the one is in need.

I don’t know either if he is more mature … sure is more composed and rational concerning his acts, but as we saw in the last chapter nothing changed about his hatred for PBs. I want to see a Zero motivated from something positive << that’s gonna be the proof of his maturation IMO.

nina wrote:Furthermore, if in that coffin are buried his fear for his level-eness along with his feelings for Yuuki that means:
1. That he has buried his feelings (>> viz he is determined to forget her)
2. That if he releases his feelings for her, the nightmare of the level-e could return since are buried in the same coffin.
So really I can’t understand why some Zeki insisting in that theory, cuz at the very least doesn’t serve their ship …

hm. to save the hope for romance?
you're right, if that were his feelings then he's determined to bury it and whatever it is, if it awakens its something to worry about since he also considers it as his greatest fear. in short, this means his feelings are something unpleasant to him, or to others. this can even mean he doesnt love Yuki, since he's hiding it from her.
furthermore the cemetery is such a complete give away. it means death. the backdrop for this whole "his love is in the coffin" is a cemetery?! come on...
it couldve been more romantic like moonlit night on the background or something to that effect.

Also right after what Yuki saw in that scene, the thought that came to her mind was to ask Zero about his level E condition but she held back. why would she have the thought if she didnt interpret that from the scene she just saw?

nina wrote:One last observation … the whole scene is placed in a cemetery << again a symbolism of his greatest fear>> death through level-eness.
But I’ve noticed something else … the coffin isn’t exactly buried under the ground … could that mean that Zero isn’t permanently saved? The human Yuuki also says that his fear is sleeping … ??? What if the presence of the guards starts to impoverish? Kaname’s wolfie could be an indication that the blood Zero took from Kaname has no longer the same strong impact and that’s why Yuuki saw only his alter image? Just a thought ...

interesting thought there nina, could this mean that Zero's just temporarily stabilized, and not "permanent"?
if the word used was "dead" there is a finality and a permanence to his condition. but the word used, "sleeping" means there's always a possibility of waking up, it was not a permanent word.
also it seems the blood representations only look like its preventing that fear from escaping, as if its holding it down while it rests, again what happens if it wakes and tries to wrestle against the ones holding it down? there still exists the possibility it can get out....

this reminds me again what Zero said about his feelings for Yuki
he said there's nothing that she will see, because he had let go of those "fragments" and only every now and then it reminds him... so there are only times when he remembers her, maybe it also applies for his level e? there are only times when it gets chaotic?

certainly... But come on reading this far could have made you understand whoever the Knight is! at least it has made me, though, Vampire knight may not be all about Zero but on the contrary its not about Yuuki and Kaname either,!

@kuran prince see Zero didn't acted as a knight for Yuuki just because Kaname told him so... He himself wanted to do the job as for you know if you thoroughly read it!

Vampire_Zero wrote:@kuran prince see Zero didn't acted as a knight for Yuuki just because Kaname told him so... He himself wanted to do the job as for you know if you thoroughly read it!

Yes, I have read thoroughly. Thank you very much. But why are you denying it? I said that Vampire Knight isn't all about Zero, not to mention that he's one of the three main characters in the series... and yes, it's about Kaname and Yuuki.

We already know that Zero was the vampire knight... but the vampire hunter isn't the only one. Did you know that Kaname was the vampire knight for saving his fiancee Yuuki's life? Or the moment that Hanabusa was the vampire knight for keeping an eye out for Yuuki?

One final thing-- You're not allowed to double (or multi) post your comments here. If the mods suspect you of double posting, it may be either edited or deleted.

juliet wrote:What did you think about Zero's style in chapter 63? You know, I had not noticed him that much but he is turning so handsome...really he suddenly has that vampirish look, a more mature style (it reminds me more of Kaname). Did you like it?
I actually do not enjoy seeing him so vampirish (it's not what we had been used by Zero)...but on the other had his skectch has been improved far more lately. Hino making Zero more of a man than a boy?
What does she changed his style? Any ideas?

ah he looks alot more mature!!!! but i think either way he looks hot!!!
hmm...more of a man?! (me when thinking about that = )

i know what would happen to him if i ever got my hands on him!!!

Spoiler:

okay gush over!

@vampire_zero: there are several people in vk who can be seen as the vampire knight. there are strong cases for each character. with reagrd to zero i see him more as a chess piece knight than the vampire knight.

I m not here to fight with anyone, i was just saying as i have seen that Zero's been badly ignored, i didn't my posts would offend You, you seem really pissed... Final thing i didn't understand the term "Double (or multiply) post comments"