Who is best for Yuuki? Kaname or Zero?

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Who best fits Yuuki? Who is made for her? Zero Or Kaname? And why?



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I know both are but what about what Yuuki needs?

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Youweremysafeplace* wrote:

tsundereluver wrote: hey guys i am zeki .....thats all mwah

Im a zeki fan too! but welcome and have fun!!

Me too xD xD

Welcome aboard

by the way I love your avatar youweremysafeplace

shizza24 wrote:

Youweremysafeplace* wrote:

tsundereluver wrote: hey guys i am zeki .....thats all mwah

Im a zeki fan too! but welcome and have fun!!

Me too xD xD

Welcome aboard

by the way I love your avatar youweremysafeplace

Wellcome tsundereluver and i agree with you Shizza24. Youweremysafeplace you have a really nice avatar

VampireCythia wrote:

shizza24 wrote:

Youweremysafeplace* wrote:

Im a zeki fan too! but welcome and have fun!!

Me too xD xD

Welcome aboard

by the way I love your avatar youweremysafeplace

Wellcome tsundereluver and i agree with you Shizza24. Youweremysafeplace you have a really nice avatar

ahaha thank you so much! i wish i saw this sooner! so i would have like double posted i guess you can say , but its actually i drawing i made when i got bored. But thanks again it means alot

Youweremysafeplace* wrote:

VampireCythia wrote:

shizza24 wrote:


Me too xD xD

Welcome aboard

by the way I love your avatar youweremysafeplace

Wellcome tsundereluver and i agree with you Shizza24. Youweremysafeplace you have a really nice avatar

ahaha thank you so much! i wish i saw this sooner! so i would have like double posted i guess you can say , but its actually i drawing i made when i got bored. But thanks again it means alot

WOW!! You Drew that?!? It's soooo awesome!!! Please post it on the FanArt thread I made and if you have made other drawings can we see them? Pretty please?

Youweremysafeplace* wrote:

VampireCythia wrote:

shizza24 wrote:


Me too xD xD

Welcome aboard

by the way I love your avatar youweremysafeplace

Wellcome tsundereluver and i agree with you Shizza24. Youweremysafeplace you have a really nice avatar

ahaha thank you so much! i wish i saw this sooner! so i would have like double posted i guess you can say , but its actually i drawing i made when i got bored. But thanks again it means alot

Wow I´m so impressed it looks so perfect , both of them are so calm and they look so realxed, they really like the situation, they don´t feel uncomfortable, such a cute Zeki-picture

Youweremysafeplace* wrote:

VampireCythia wrote:

shizza24 wrote:


Me too xD xD

Welcome aboard

by the way I love your avatar youweremysafeplace

Wellcome tsundereluver and i agree with you Shizza24. Youweremysafeplace you have a really nice avatar

ahaha thank you so much! i wish i saw this sooner! so i would have like double posted i guess you can say , but its actually i drawing i made when i got bored. But thanks again it means alot

It's really a lovely drawing. Excellent job. *hugs*

It's really not 'Who is Best for Yuuki?'. It's 'What is Best for Yuuki?'. That's how Kaname (as well as Zero) would see it, right?

I personally see Zero and Yuuki as being the final pair due to all the hints dropped throughout the entire expanse of the manga. I see Kaname/Yuuki as more of a plot device for the author to tell Kaname's story in a way that a reader is left feeling love and frustration for Kaname. Now, I’m not denying that Kaname and Yuuki love one another; it's blatantly stated several times in the manga. Kaname/Yuuki was very much canon. It's just how the story itself flows. Will it be endgame? No one really knows.

To me, Kaname/Hooded Woman is very similar to Zero/Yuuki in terms of relationship advancement. Kaname didn’t want or know intimacy until the Hooded Woman. He’d walked around in his own loneliness. Zero is quite similar due to the tragedy of his family. It was because of Yuuki, that Zero found reason to live again. It’s quite the same with the Hooded Woman and Kaname. She’d given his life purpose. He’d planned to end this war of vampires for her, I’m betting. She had human parents. She openly says that she wanted to be useful to mankind and Kaname. He wanted to sacrifice everything just for her. Now, that shows immeasurable love, in my opinion. The Hooded Woman gave Kaname's life purpose, Yuuki will give Kaname's life meaning... because of the sacrifice he is going to make. His love for Yuuki and the Hooded Woman are equivalent.

When it comes to current time, Kaname himself is the looming shadow behind you, whispering your next move in your ear. He is the presence that stirs change, but he isn't a part of the big picture. He is the picture, the very board that Zero, Yuuki, Kaien, Kain, Maria, Sara, and others are moving across. This very story is Kaname’s story.

He plans on his own, without Yuuki's knowledge even after she's promised to be with him. I see him feeling guilty for chaining her to the cursed fate of being a pureblood, possibly one of the many reasons they can't move forward as a couple. Also, I get the vibe that one of the reasons for Yuuki fully accepting Kaname after him admitting to killing Shizuka and the vampire council is because she feels that it's her fault. She doesn't want Kaname to suffer alone in his own guilt for all the things he's done because she is the reason for some of his selfish actions, which is a very Yuuki trait. She can't see someone not feeling guilty for killing. In her mind, killing is wrong.

As for Kaname, I'm not sure. He's lived so long and lost so much, I don't see him feeling that bad about it when he's found something like Yuuki, a precious thing. He'll do whatever is necessary to protect her. He feels that if he accomplishes this (which he was unable to accomplish with the Hooded Woman), he'll find some peace. Still, even if all the purebloods were extinguished except for Kaname and Yuuki, both would still face a terrible fate for their pure blood. He must stamp all of them out, including himself. Without doing so, history will only repeat itself somewhere down the road and Kaname's and Yuuki's children will suffer for his inability to act. He also still understands that Rido is a ever impending threat to Yuuki, among others. How will Kaname sever this link, or finally kill Rido? How will he break the shackles of Yuuki's doomed fate as a pureblood. I see a repeat of what Juuri did. It's a possibility that shouldn't be overlooked.

He's always known of his dark future, which has hinted his demise to me. Shizuka warns him of this and he accepts her declaration. When Yuuki sees most of Kaname’s past, she feels that they should start over. There are many things about Kaname she still doesn’t understand. Directly after, they decide to start things over, Kaname makes his move and detaches from Yuuki, showing her their 'square one'. She is confused and devastated, as would anyone who witnesses a loved one committing a heinous act and then leaving them. That’s not the Kaname she’d come to love. That’s not her Oni-sama. She wants answers. She still believes in Kaname, the good Kaname that had saved her life all those years ago. Unshakable faith. That’s what Kaname has always seen in Yuuki. She holds it for both Kaname and Zero. One of the reasons they probably are both so attached to her.

As of the present, Kaname is forcing Yuuki to grow up. Things aren’t just black and white as she’d like to see them. And, she shouldn’t just let herself be a doll to him. He wants Yuuki to spread her wings and fly, to be herself. Granted, he’d kept her in that mansion, but that would be a natural action for anyone who has lost something dear to them. He wanted to keep Yuuki safe and in a place he knew she wouldn’t get hurt… but… that’s not Yuuki. She’s not an object he can just lock away. He finally comes to terms with this as the manga progresses. He slowly begins to let her spread her wings.

He realizes, more than she does, that she’s in a very dangerous game. She is a pureblood, fresh and naïve. I’m also sure that Kaname knew Zero would be right there to protect Yuuki once he’d left her as well… He’d also expected the bite scene in chapter 74. It wouldn’t surprise me. Kaname isn’t stupid. He knows Yuuki’s heart better than she does herself. Kaname also knows that Zero won’t be an obstacle… until he comes for Yuuki. Kaname himself is a strategist. He makes moves based on the long run, not the short term. Kaname knows that, if he’s no longer around to protect Yuuki, Zero will always remain true to her.
Now, I’m not denying Kaname’s and Yuuki’s love for one another. That would just be silly. Both parties have verbally and physically demonstrated their love. However, because of his love for Yuuki, I firmly believe that Kaname will sacrifice himself for her, ending the vampire bloodline. He is the progenitor. Kaien believed going after the Kurans would end his fate as a hunter and Sara even mentioned something about Kaname being the progenitor. Its right there in one’s face. Kaname is the beginning and the end of vampires. He was the one who twisted the fate of the purebloods because of what he is. He’ll set the wrong things right for his past love, the Hooded Woman, and for Yuuki. Both women loved/love humans and wanted/want peace. This time, he’ll make sure that he is the sacrifice and not Yuuki. He is what gives Vampire Knight the genre of ‘Tragedy’. He isn’t the white knight like Zero. He is the dark knight that has been condemned to a long and painful life of suffering. I believe Kaname deserves peace. Not many understood him… It was mainly the Hooded Woman that really understood Kaname. It’s hard to be in a world where no one can really share your wave length. Yuuki tries, but it seems like she just can’t find his channel, and he doesn’t exactly make it accessible to her, either. He only shows her enough. She’s still left questioning.

As for character/relationship development, Yuuki has always been indecisive, Kaname has always been mysterious and contradictory, and Zero has always been hesitant. All three characters are now shifting, which would only be natural for any believable characters in a story. Their relationships are shifting. Everything is coming about. Zero will no longer hesitate. He is going after what he really wants. Count on it. Yuuki will choose. She won’t falter in giving Kaname his peace as well as Zero. Kaname’s secrets will be out in the open. All his past sins will be set before everyone. He’ll be on the dissecting table with all eyes turned to him.

Yuuki is finally coming to terms with her feelings for Zero, finally realizing what Zero means to her… even though she’s still trying to deny it. Zero himself is maneuvering more like Kaname now, quiet… behind the lines. He realizes the benefit of not letting one’s passion get the best of them. MATURING. Yuuki is also changing. She is wanting more than anything to protect those close to her, so she’s becoming stronger, less uncertain. It’s the only way to keep her loved ones safe… the only way to truly be happy. Kaname wants her decisive so she can deal the final move, killing him. That’s what I feel is going to happen. As for the love triangle? I’ve always felt the undercurrent of Zero/Yuuki as endgame. Kaname/Yuuki was more of a development for Kaname’s story and strengthening the connection between Zero/Yuuki that never seemed to go away. If he was just a brother to her, she wouldn’t be so nervous about being around him. He wouldn’t invade her thoughts the way he does. I know; I have a brother. I don’t think about him the way Yuuki thinks about Zero. It’s obvious that she has strong romantic feelings for Zero. It’s obvious that Zero still mirrors those strong romantic feelings. He’s simply trying remain at a distance now. He is able to survive without Yuuki, but being around her must still be torture. He prefers not to complicate things at the current moment. The same goes for her. Love in the middle of battle between two opposing forces would definitely change the face of the war… another reason I feel that Zero/Yuuki is end game. Their relationship will bring an end to the vampire/vampire hunter war. It will bring coexistence between both races. I also think that’s been Kaname’s aim the entire time. He knows the potential of Yuuki’s and Zero’s relationship and what it could bring to both societies. It’s what the Hooded Woman would want. Peace. He lives for both Yuuki and her. That’s all he lives for.

Now, one can argue that my opinions are based on bias observations, but I could argue the same thing for a Kaname/Yuuki endgame shipper. We all have our likes and dislikes and this is heavily based on what we ship in a series. I've never really cared for Kaname/Yuuki. There was no real spark to me. It lacked true, raw passion and Yuuki never seemed to level up to Kaname. There is this major gap between them that doesn't seem to want to be filled, even with the year (approx. guesstimate) they spent together. A Kaname/Yuuki shipper can argue the same point and many others about Zero/Yuuki. No one truly knows until the very end. Only the author herself does. We'll just have to wait and see what happens. So... everyone just sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride.

Zero will no longer hesitate. He is going after what he really wants. Count on it.

Zero just recently admitted that he no longer feels any attachment for Yuki, and if he does its only occasionally. His blood revealed a coffin featuring his level E instead of his
feelings for her which was not strong enough to overpower his fear of becoming a level E, which was foremost in the memory of his blood. It's a step back in terms of any romantic progress
between them.
He also approved of Kaname killing purebloods. This doesn't look like he's going after anyone here, other than vampires.

Zero himself is maneuvering more like Kaname now, quiet… behind the
lines. He realizes the benefit of not letting one’s passion get the best
of them. MATURING.

he becomes more like kaname in terms of their goals, he doesn't mind kaname killing purebloods. this revealed his passion was still there, and its burning along the way.
and its bright. someone must have used gasoline, lol.

its difficult to say if Zero is maturing since he keeps a blank expression and constantly follows the rules and his job. what he had revealed gives insights to his current condition, which is basically the same -- care for Yuki secretly, hating vampires , Level E. just this time he is more tame and less rabid while he's saying or doing it.

Kaname’s secrets will be out in the open. All his past sins will be set
before everyone. He’ll be on the dissecting table with all eyes turned
to him.

and he'll be cut open and we'll see his intestines spill out and everyone will marvel that its made of gold. Even Yuki. :ROFL: Im sorry the description took my imagination away. But yes I do agree with you, its about time. Kaname is such a huge pile of mystery that keeps everyone guessing and theorizing. Kaname should reveal his fullest as he gradually did throughout the chapters, and it will no longer be a secret.

Yuuki is finally coming to terms with her feelings for Zero, finally
realizing what Zero means to her… even though she’s still trying to
deny it.

Not really. Yuki also took a step back from Zero literally and wanted a reset from him, the way they were before in the first arc, which means friendship. Lots of chapters have gone by and when it finally comes to this one moment where she finally confronts something that is related to Zero, this is what comes out of her thoughts: It will be all right if we can start from the beginning again.
The words, "it will be all right" indicated to me this is something she had been worrying about since he got angry at her. And indicated there was something broken between them that had to be fixed.
"from the beginning" for me indicated she wanted to fix that broken thing.
This is usually how it goes between two bestfriends who had a huge fight that wasn't resolved and moreover had something awkward between them.

I have a bestfriend. And I treated her the way Yuki treated Zero after we fought, with distance and awkwardness. But it had to be resolved so someone made the first move, just like Zero did when he pulled Yuki to take his blood.

I dont know about her being in denial, to me if she is in denial then she's making a career out of it ever since 20 chapters and one year ago. And she's doing a lot of it Im surprise it doesnt distract her. She isn't failing at it too. Her actions all show it but her thoughts does not, so she's doing very well at it.
But anything is possible so perhaps.

Yuuki is also changing. She is wanting more than anything to protect
those close to her, so she’s becoming stronger, less uncertain.

I agree she wants to be more determined, and I think thats the reason why she confronted her issue, which was Zero. She wanted everything to be all right between them and to start from the beginning. She initiated the move to be more comfortable around him, a sign she is maturing and growing forward to fulfill her present duties. In short to move on from her obstacles, one of which is him.

@hooded woman
she wasn't given a name and her screentime was shown to be too short for anyone to have concurred that she and kaname had a more fulfilling wavelength-similar relationship when the HW was mothering over him and he was more like his son.
good boy, Kaname, good boy...
Her lines towards him didn't treat him like an equal, but more like an underling, someone inferior than him. She made decisions for him and mainly voiced out her opinions, rarely there was little of what Kaname has to say about what she was telling him. It was not a similar or equal relationship, it was more like a helping relationship that the HW dominated and Kaname submitted to.
the reason why Kaname says "when a little attachment was about to be born, the HW passed away" he was technically saying "just when I was about to fall in love with her she died and there goes my chances of love"

It wasnt revealed what happened to the war afterwards but it is presumed he led it, for reasons that Kaname started it. It was Kaname's original idea to help the humans, not the HW, the HW simply served as the goat sacrifice in his stead. She had simply followed Kaname's altruism. You can read this in chapter 64 where the HW was complaining why Kaname chose to help the humans. Kaname's obligation was to help the humans all along, the sacrifice was merely one way of it, the other I believe was helping them in the war. There may or may not be feelings of obligation to uphold the meaning of her death, especially when he says there was little attachment to her.

his words "no one can be a replacement for one person" was in general and did not pinpoint anyone specific. he could be talking about someone else who had died and there is a possibility a time skip occurred as yuki was in another setting than the previous one she was in.

Kaname's motives and his reasons for doing things are vague and subject to a lot of speculations since he had not revealed most of them and his past is still wide enough to leave open holes, but it is shown he is gearing towards something that he is determined to end, enough to leave Yuki and consider her as a distraction to his plans.

Yuki shows no signs of faltering in her faith or feelings for him despite his actions or the ambiguity that surrounds it or the distance that separates them. Proof of this is her telling Zero that she drank his blood to fulfill her duty as a Kuran pureblood---the condition she had set to herself was to finish her duties and to go after him, it had been on her mind since the first day she started her night class. Hence, the ultimate purpose she took Zero's blood was to go after Kaname. Her interest to seek out Kaname and ask him questions still remains.

"What is best for Yuki " means neglecting her personal feelings and opinions as to who she loves more and gives that decision to others and to circumstance. Not her.

The Love triangle composes of two males and one female where she is the only one who chooses at the end of the day.

Who is best for Yuki according to her means she decides who she will pick in the end. The circumstances won't do it for her. She will.

And if Kaname should die for her, the more Yuki will love him, and the more she will cherish his memory. It's possible to choose loving the memory of a loved one long after they're gone instead of loving anyone.

As for the rest of your post I will reply maybe later.

sweetsolace wrote:

Zero will no longer hesitate. He is going after what he really wants. Count on it.

Zero just recently admitted that he no longer feels any attachment for Yuki, and if he does its only occasionally. His blood revealed a coffin featuring his level E instead of his
feelings for her which was not strong enough to overpower his fear of becoming a level E, which was foremost in the memory of his blood. It's a step back in terms of any romantic progress
between them.
He also approved of Kaname killing purebloods. This doesn't look like he's going after anyone here, other than vampires.

Zero himself is maneuvering more like Kaname now, quiet… behind the
lines. He realizes the benefit of not letting one’s passion get the best
of them. MATURING.

he becomes more like kaname in terms of their goals, he doesn't mind kaname killing purebloods. this revealed his passion was still there, and its burning along the way.
and its bright. someone must have used gasoline, lol.

its difficult to say if Zero is maturing since he keeps a blank expression and constantly follows the rules and his job. what he had revealed gives insights to his current condition, which is basically the same -- hating vampires , Level E.

Kaname’s secrets will be out in the open. All his past sins will be set
before everyone. He’ll be on the dissecting table with all eyes turned
to him.

and he'll be cut open and we'll see his intestines spill out and everyone will marvel that its made of gold. Even Yuki. :ROFL: Im sorry the description took my imagination away. But yes I do agree with you, its about time. Kaname is such a huge pile of mystery that keeps everyone guessing and theorizing. Kaname should reveal his fullest as he gradually did throughout the chapters, and it will no longer be a secret.

Yuuki is finally coming to terms with her feelings for Zero, finally
realizing what Zero means to her… even though she’s still trying to
deny it.

Not really. Yuki also took a step back from Zero literally and wanted a reset from him, the way they were before in the first arc, which means friendship. Lots of chapters have gone by and when it finally comes to this one moment where she finally confronts something that is related to Zero, this is what comes out of her thoughts: It will be all right if we can start from the beginning again.
The words, "it will be all right" indicated to me this is something she had been worrying about since he got angry at her. And indicated there was something broken between them that had to be fixed.
"from the beginning" for me indicated she wanted to fix that broken thing.

I dont know about her being in denial, to me if she is in denial then she's making a career out of it ever since 20 chapters and one year ago. And she's doing a lot of it Im surprise it doesnt distract her. She isn't failing at it too. Her actions all show it but her thoughts does not, so she's doing very well at it.
But anything is possible so perhaps.

Yuuki is also changing. She is wanting more than anything to protect
those close to her, so she’s becoming stronger, less uncertain.

I agree she wants to be more determined, and I think thats the reason why she confronted her issue, which was Zero. She wanted everything to be all right between them and to start from the beginning. She initiated the move to be more comfortable around him, a sign she is maturing and growing forward to fulfill her present duties. In short to move on from her obstacles, one of which is him.

@hooded woman
she wasn't given a name and her screentime was shown to be too short for anyone to have concurred that she and kaname had a more fulfilling wavelength-similar relationship when the HW was mothering over him and he was more like his son.
good boy, Kaname, good boy...
Her lines towards him didn't treat him like an equal, but more like an underling, someone inferior than him. She made decisions for him and mainly voiced out her opinions, rarely there was little of what Kaname has to say about what she was telling him. It was not a similar or equal relationship, it was more like a helping relationship that the HW dominated and Kaname submitted to.
the reason why Kaname says "when a little attachment was about to be born, the HW passed away" he was technically saying "just when I was about to fall in love with her she died and there goes my chances of love"

It wasnt revealed what happened to the war afterwards but it is presumed he led it, for reasons that Kaname started it. It was Kaname's original idea to help the humans, not the HW, the HW simply served as the goat sacrifice in his stead. She had simply followed Kaname's altruism. You can read this in chapter 64 where the HW was complaining why Kaname chose to help the humans. Kaname's obligation was to help the humans all along, the sacrifice was merely one way of it, the other I believe was helping them in the war. There may or may not be feelings of obligation to uphold the meaning of her death, especially when he says there was little attachment to her.

his words "no one can be a replacement for one person" was in general and did not pinpoint anyone specific. he could be talking about someone else who had died and there is a possibility a time skip occurred as yuki was in another setting than the previous one she was in.

Kaname's motives and his reasons for doing things are vague and subject to a lot of speculations since he had not revealed most of them and his past is still wide enough to leave open holes, but it is shown he is gearing towards something that he is determined to end, enough to leave Yuki and consider her as a distraction to his plans.

Yuki shows no signs of faltering in her faith or feelings for him despite his actions or the ambiguity that surrounds it or the distance that separates them. Proof of this is her telling Zero that she drank his blood to fulfill her duty as a Kuran pureblood---the condition she had set to herself was to finish her duties and to go after him, it had been on her mind since the first day she started her night class. Hence, the ultimate purpose she took Zero's blood was to go after Kaname. Her interest to seek out Kaname and ask him questions still remains.

"What is best for Yuki " means neglecting her personal feelings and opinions as to who she loves more and gives that decision to others and to circumstance. Not her.

The Love triangle composes of two males and one female where she is the only one who chooses at the end of the day.

Who is best for Yuki according to her means she decides who she will pick in the end. The circumstances won't do it for her. She will.

And if Kaname should die for her, the more Yuki will love him, and the more she will cherish his memory. It's possible to choose loving the memory of a loved one long after they're gone.

As for the rest of your post I will reply maybe later.

Awesome posts and logic Sweet! I couldn't agree more!

sweetsolace wrote:

Zero will no longer hesitate. He is going after what he really wants. Count on it.

Zero just recently admitted that he no longer feels any attachment for Yuki, and if he does its only occasionally. His blood revealed a coffin featuring his level E instead of his
feelings for her which was not strong enough to overpower his fear of becoming a level E, which was foremost in the memory of his blood. It's a step back in terms of any romantic progress
between them.
He also approved of Kaname killing purebloods. This doesn't look like he's going after anyone here, other than vampires.

Zero himself is maneuvering more like Kaname now, quiet… behind the
lines. He realizes the benefit of not letting one’s passion get the best
of them. MATURING.

he becomes more like kaname in terms of their goals, he doesn't mind kaname killing purebloods. this revealed his passion was still there, and its burning along the way.
and its bright. someone must have used gasoline, lol.

its difficult to say if Zero is maturing since he keeps a blank expression and constantly follows the rules and his job. what he had revealed gives insights to his current condition, which is basically the same -- care for Yuki secretly, hating vampires , Level E. just this time he is more tame and less rabid while he's saying or doing it.

Kaname’s secrets will be out in the open. All his past sins will be set
before everyone. He’ll be on the dissecting table with all eyes turned
to him.

and he'll be cut open and we'll see his intestines spill out and everyone will marvel that its made of gold. Even Yuki. :ROFL: Im sorry the description took my imagination away. But yes I do agree with you, its about time. Kaname is such a huge pile of mystery that keeps everyone guessing and theorizing. Kaname should reveal his fullest as he gradually did throughout the chapters, and it will no longer be a secret.

Yuuki is finally coming to terms with her feelings for Zero, finally
realizing what Zero means to her… even though she’s still trying to
deny it.

Not really. Yuki also took a step back from Zero literally and wanted a reset from him, the way they were before in the first arc, which means friendship. Lots of chapters have gone by and when it finally comes to this one moment where she finally confronts something that is related to Zero, this is what comes out of her thoughts: It will be all right if we can start from the beginning again.
The words, "it will be all right" indicated to me this is something she had been worrying about since he got angry at her. And indicated there was something broken between them that had to be fixed.
"from the beginning" for me indicated she wanted to fix that broken thing.
This is usually how it goes between two bestfriends who had a huge fight that wasn't resolved and moreover had something awkward between them.

I have a bestfriend. And I treated her the way Yuki treated Zero after we fought, with distance and awkwardness. But it had to be resolved so someone made the first move, just like Zero did when he pulled Yuki to take his blood.

I dont know about her being in denial, to me if she is in denial then she's making a career out of it ever since 20 chapters and one year ago. And she's doing a lot of it Im surprise it doesnt distract her. She isn't failing at it too. Her actions all show it but her thoughts does not, so she's doing very well at it.
But anything is possible so perhaps.

Yuuki is also changing. She is wanting more than anything to protect
those close to her, so she’s becoming stronger, less uncertain.

I agree she wants to be more determined, and I think thats the reason why she confronted her issue, which was Zero. She wanted everything to be all right between them and to start from the beginning. She initiated the move to be more comfortable around him, a sign she is maturing and growing forward to fulfill her present duties. In short to move on from her obstacles, one of which is him.

@hooded woman
she wasn't given a name and her screentime was shown to be too short for anyone to have concurred that she and kaname had a more fulfilling wavelength-similar relationship when the HW was mothering over him and he was more like his son.
good boy, Kaname, good boy...
Her lines towards him didn't treat him like an equal, but more like an underling, someone inferior than him. She made decisions for him and mainly voiced out her opinions, rarely there was little of what Kaname has to say about what she was telling him. It was not a similar or equal relationship, it was more like a helping relationship that the HW dominated and Kaname submitted to.
the reason why Kaname says "when a little attachment was about to be born, the HW passed away" he was technically saying "just when I was about to fall in love with her she died and there goes my chances of love"

It wasnt revealed what happened to the war afterwards but it is presumed he led it, for reasons that Kaname started it. It was Kaname's original idea to help the humans, not the HW, the HW simply served as the goat sacrifice in his stead. She had simply followed Kaname's altruism. You can read this in chapter 64 where the HW was complaining why Kaname chose to help the humans. Kaname's obligation was to help the humans all along, the sacrifice was merely one way of it, the other I believe was helping them in the war. There may or may not be feelings of obligation to uphold the meaning of her death, especially when he says there was little attachment to her.

his words "no one can be a replacement for one person" was in general and did not pinpoint anyone specific. he could be talking about someone else who had died and there is a possibility a time skip occurred as yuki was in another setting than the previous one she was in.

Kaname's motives and his reasons for doing things are vague and subject to a lot of speculations since he had not revealed most of them and his past is still wide enough to leave open holes, but it is shown he is gearing towards something that he is determined to end, enough to leave Yuki and consider her as a distraction to his plans.

Yuki shows no signs of faltering in her faith or feelings for him despite his actions or the ambiguity that surrounds it or the distance that separates them. Proof of this is her telling Zero that she drank his blood to fulfill her duty as a Kuran pureblood---the condition she had set to herself was to finish her duties and to go after him, it had been on her mind since the first day she started her night class. Hence, the ultimate purpose she took Zero's blood was to go after Kaname. Her interest to seek out Kaname and ask him questions still remains.

"What is best for Yuki " means neglecting her personal feelings and opinions as to who she loves more and gives that decision to others and to circumstance. Not her.

The Love triangle composes of two males and one female where she is the only one who chooses at the end of the day.

Who is best for Yuki according to her means she decides who she will pick in the end. The circumstances won't do it for her. She will.

And if Kaname should die for her, the more Yuki will love him, and the more she will cherish his memory. It's possible to choose loving the memory of a loved one long after they're gone instead of loving anyone.

As for the rest of your post I will reply maybe later.

Everything put together in a very good post...I would rate it good if I could, so please understand my smiley as a thank you

Katherine wrote:

sweetsolace wrote:

Zero will no longer hesitate. He is going after what he really wants. Count on it.

Zero just recently admitted that he no longer feels any attachment for Yuki, and if he does its only occasionally. His blood revealed a coffin featuring his level E instead of his
feelings for her which was not strong enough to overpower his fear of becoming a level E, which was foremost in the memory of his blood. It's a step back in terms of any romantic progress
between them.
He also approved of Kaname killing purebloods. This doesn't look like he's going after anyone here, other than vampires.

Zero himself is maneuvering more like Kaname now, quiet… behind the
lines. He realizes the benefit of not letting one’s passion get the best
of them. MATURING.

he becomes more like kaname in terms of their goals, he doesn't mind kaname killing purebloods. this revealed his passion was still there, and its burning along the way.
and its bright. someone must have used gasoline, lol.

its difficult to say if Zero is maturing since he keeps a blank expression and constantly follows the rules and his job. what he had revealed gives insights to his current condition, which is basically the same -- care for Yuki secretly, hating vampires , Level E. just this time he is more tame and less rabid while he's saying or doing it.

Kaname’s secrets will be out in the open. All his past sins will be set
before everyone. He’ll be on the dissecting table with all eyes turned
to him.

and he'll be cut open and we'll see his intestines spill out and everyone will marvel that its made of gold. Even Yuki. :ROFL: Im sorry the description took my imagination away. But yes I do agree with you, its about time. Kaname is such a huge pile of mystery that keeps everyone guessing and theorizing. Kaname should reveal his fullest as he gradually did throughout the chapters, and it will no longer be a secret.

Yuuki is finally coming to terms with her feelings for Zero, finally
realizing what Zero means to her… even though she’s still trying to
deny it.

Not really. Yuki also took a step back from Zero literally and wanted a reset from him, the way they were before in the first arc, which means friendship. Lots of chapters have gone by and when it finally comes to this one moment where she finally confronts something that is related to Zero, this is what comes out of her thoughts: It will be all right if we can start from the beginning again.
The words, "it will be all right" indicated to me this is something she had been worrying about since he got angry at her. And indicated there was something broken between them that had to be fixed.
"from the beginning" for me indicated she wanted to fix that broken thing.
This is usually how it goes between two bestfriends who had a huge fight that wasn't resolved and moreover had something awkward between them.

I have a bestfriend. And I treated her the way Yuki treated Zero after we fought, with distance and awkwardness. But it had to be resolved so someone made the first move, just like Zero did when he pulled Yuki to take his blood.

I dont know about her being in denial, to me if she is in denial then she's making a career out of it ever since 20 chapters and one year ago. And she's doing a lot of it Im surprise it doesnt distract her. She isn't failing at it too. Her actions all show it but her thoughts does not, so she's doing very well at it.
But anything is possible so perhaps.

Yuuki is also changing. She is wanting more than anything to protect
those close to her, so she’s becoming stronger, less uncertain.

I agree she wants to be more determined, and I think thats the reason why she confronted her issue, which was Zero. She wanted everything to be all right between them and to start from the beginning. She initiated the move to be more comfortable around him, a sign she is maturing and growing forward to fulfill her present duties. In short to move on from her obstacles, one of which is him.

@hooded woman
she wasn't given a name and her screentime was shown to be too short for anyone to have concurred that she and kaname had a more fulfilling wavelength-similar relationship when the HW was mothering over him and he was more like his son.
good boy, Kaname, good boy...
Her lines towards him didn't treat him like an equal, but more like an underling, someone inferior than him. She made decisions for him and mainly voiced out her opinions, rarely there was little of what Kaname has to say about what she was telling him. It was not a similar or equal relationship, it was more like a helping relationship that the HW dominated and Kaname submitted to.
the reason why Kaname says "when a little attachment was about to be born, the HW passed away" he was technically saying "just when I was about to fall in love with her she died and there goes my chances of love"

It wasnt revealed what happened to the war afterwards but it is presumed he led it, for reasons that Kaname started it. It was Kaname's original idea to help the humans, not the HW, the HW simply served as the goat sacrifice in his stead. She had simply followed Kaname's altruism. You can read this in chapter 64 where the HW was complaining why Kaname chose to help the humans. Kaname's obligation was to help the humans all along, the sacrifice was merely one way of it, the other I believe was helping them in the war. There may or may not be feelings of obligation to uphold the meaning of her death, especially when he says there was little attachment to her.

his words "no one can be a replacement for one person" was in general and did not pinpoint anyone specific. he could be talking about someone else who had died and there is a possibility a time skip occurred as yuki was in another setting than the previous one she was in.

Kaname's motives and his reasons for doing things are vague and subject to a lot of speculations since he had not revealed most of them and his past is still wide enough to leave open holes, but it is shown he is gearing towards something that he is determined to end, enough to leave Yuki and consider her as a distraction to his plans.

Yuki shows no signs of faltering in her faith or feelings for him despite his actions or the ambiguity that surrounds it or the distance that separates them. Proof of this is her telling Zero that she drank his blood to fulfill her duty as a Kuran pureblood---the condition she had set to herself was to finish her duties and to go after him, it had been on her mind since the first day she started her night class. Hence, the ultimate purpose she took Zero's blood was to go after Kaname. Her interest to seek out Kaname and ask him questions still remains.

"What is best for Yuki " means neglecting her personal feelings and opinions as to who she loves more and gives that decision to others and to circumstance. Not her.

The Love triangle composes of two males and one female where she is the only one who chooses at the end of the day.

Who is best for Yuki according to her means she decides who she will pick in the end. The circumstances won't do it for her. She will.

And if Kaname should die for her, the more Yuki will love him, and the more she will cherish his memory. It's possible to choose loving the memory of a loved one long after they're gone instead of loving anyone.

As for the rest of your post I will reply maybe later.

Everything put together in a very good post...I would rate it good if I could, so please understand my smiley as a thank you

Yep! I agree with Katehrine! And I sure didn't praise it enough. It's truly amazing Sweet.

Disclaimer: I've not read any other posts aside from this one.

I personally see Zero and Yuuki as being the final pair due to all the hints dropped throughout the entire expanse of the manga.

And I see Kaname-Yuuki becoming the final pair because of factual events of the story.

I see Kaname/Yuuki as more of a plot device for the author to tell Kaname's story in a way that a reader is left feeling love and frustration for Kaname.

I dont know how you saw this. I do hope you will expound because it sounds interesting. I read the ending to your story and it didnt leave me with such feeling at all.

To me, Kaname/Hooded Woman is very similar to Zero/Yuuki in terms of relationship advancement. Kaname didn’t want or know intimacy until the Hooded Woman. He’d walked around in his own loneliness. Zero is quite similar due to the tragedy of his family. It was because of Yuuki, that Zero found reason to live again. It’s quite the same with the Hooded Woman and Kaname. She’d given his life purpose. He’d planned to end this war of vampires for her, I’m betting. She had human parents. She openly says that she wanted to be useful to mankind and Kaname. He wanted to sacrifice everything just for her. Now, that shows immeasurable love, in my opinion. The Hooded Woman gave Kaname's life purpose, Yuuki will give Kaname's life meaning... because of the sacrifice he is going to make. His love for Yuuki and the Hooded Woman are equivalent

Except for the statements highlighted, I actually agree with you. IMO, Zero-Yuuki's romance and that of Kaname-HW are romance based on circumstances. They started as acquantances who slowly grew an attachment to each other. The reasons why they might love each other are well founded and grounded to reality. The Yuuki-Kaname romance however deviates from the rest because it seems to be based on FANTASY. Loving each other while still children, promising to marry each other, loving your own brother and allowing yourself to be swallowed in darkness just to be with him. The saying "love knows no reasons" suits their relationship very well. In real life, such a devouring romance might never happen, but that's why we read stories. So in conclusion, Kaname's love for Yuuki and HW are too different to even bear a comparison.

As for Kaname wanting to sacrifice everything for HW, you might need to state some reasons why you came to that conclusion. I'll reserve my opinions.

Also, I get the vibe that one of the reasons for Yuuki fully accepting Kaname after him admitting to killing Shizuka and the vampire council is because she feels that it's her fault. She doesn't want Kaname to suffer alone in his own guilt for all the things he's done because she is the reason for some of his selfish actions, which is a very Yuuki trait. She can't see someone not feeling guilty for killing. In her mind, killing is wrong.

Well that's a way of seeing things. However, you must remember that Yuuki loved Kaname before any of these guilt feelings. It seems to me the way Hino-sama created the story, Yuuki loved Kaname from the moment she was born. Like they were fated for each other. Like the only reason she was born was because Kaname woke up from his slumber. Like the only reason that Kaname was awoken by Rido is because Yuuki will be born. Like the only reason Yuuki is full of light is to counter the darkness in Kaname. It could be coincidence but then again it could be fate. I'm too much a romantic, I know >.<

However, because of his love for Yuuki, I firmly believe that Kaname will sacrifice himself for her, ending the vampire bloodline. He is the progenitor. Kaien believed going after the Kurans would end his fate as a hunter and Sara even mentioned something about Kaname being the progenitor. Its right there in one’s face. Kaname is the beginning and the end of vampires. He was the one who twisted the fate of the purebloods because of what he is. He’ll set the wrong things right for his past love, the Hooded Woman, and for Yuuki. Both women loved/love humans and wanted/want peace. This time, he’ll make sure that he is the sacrifice and not Yuuki. He is what gives Vampire Knight the genre of ‘Tragedy’. He isn’t the white knight like Zero. He is the dark knight that has beencondemned to a long and painful life of suffering. I believe Kaname deserves peace. Not many understood him… It was mainly the Hooded Woman that really understood Kaname. It’s hard to be in a world where no one can really share your wave length.

You know, I can see this happening too. But from what I feel from the story's progress, Yuuki will end up saving Kaname, either that or go down with him. The tragic pureblood couple.

Yuuki is finally coming to terms with her feelings for Zero, finally realizing what Zero means to her… even though she’s still trying to deny it. Zero himself is maneuvering more like Kaname now, quiet… behind the lines. He realizes the benefit of not letting one’s passion get the best of them. MATURING. Yuuki is also changing. She is wanting more than anything to protect those close to her, so she’s becoming stronger, less uncertain. It’s the only way to keep her loved ones safe… the only way to truly be happy. Kaname wants her decisive so she can deal the final move, killing him. That’s what I feel is going to happen. As for the love triangle? I’ve always felt the undercurrent of Zero/Yuuki as endgame. Kaname/Yuuki was more of a development for Kaname’s story and strengthening the connection between Zero/Yuuki that never seemed to go away. If he was just a brother to her, she wouldn’t be so nervous about being around him. He wouldn’t invade her thoughts the way he does. I know; I have a brother. I don’t think about him the way Yuuki thinks about Zero. It’s obvious that she has strong romantic feelings for Zero. It’s obvious that Zero still mirrors those strong romantic feelings. He’s simply trying remain at a distance now. He is able to survive without Yuuki, but being around her must still be torture. He prefers not to complicate things at the current moment. The same goes for her. Love in the middle of battle between two opposing forces would definitely change the face of the war… another reason I feel that Zero/Yuuki is end game. Their relationship will bring an end to the vampire/vampire hunter war. It will bring coexistence between both races. I also think that’s been Kaname’s aim the entire time. He knows the potential of Yuuki’s and Zero’s relationship and what it could bring to both societies. It’s what the Hooded Woman would want. Peace. He lives for both Yuuki and her. That’s all he lives for.

And this is where you are creating your own story. Not that its a bad story. It entitles you a round of applaus. But since we are into creating our OWN VK VERSIONS, maybe you'd want to hear mine. XD

Kaname and Yuuki loved each other the moment they set eyes on each other. Yuuki always thought of the two of them becoming like Haruka and Juuri in the future, to marry and raise a family and Kaname loved Yuuki too much to want whatever she wanted. BUt to protect Yuuki, Juuri sealed Yuuki's vampire powers and Kaname was forced to make a decision to either selfishly keep her by his side with the darkness, or allow Yuuki to explore the light. Kaname wanted Yuuki so much to be with him but in the end Yuuki's welfare won. Yuuki grew up as a human who's entire world centered on this one single vampire who rescued her on that one snowy night. At first she was scared of him as the first thing she could ever remember in her existence was being attacked by a vampire but for some reason, her heart felt a fondness for him that she could not explain. So instead of hating vampires, she accepted them because of this person's existence. She couldnt forget him. When he was near, he is the only one she thinks about and when he's away all she wanted was to see him again. As a child this did not bother her, she just wanted to love him. But as she grew up she recognized the difference in their worlds and it began to trouble her. She began to feel insecure about Kaname's feelings for her. It seemed impossible for someone like him to love a girl like her. She began to feel their distance and yet she couldnt stop feeling happy in his prescence. She felt unworthy. At that moment, Yuuki was saved by Zero. Here appeared a person who needed her. Taking care of him made her forget her insecurities and at the same time it made him feel closer to Kaname. She followed Kaname's example, giving Zero her kindness and her smiles. She would save Zero the way Kaname saved her. Zero gave her strength. And she also grew attached to him.

And Kaname was jealous. The first time he saw Zero, he felt a mixture of pity and jealousy. Pity for what the boy had gone through and jealousy that he could be near the girl Kaname loved so much. Moreover, Yuuki was growing attached to the boy and Kaname wanted to get rid of him more and more but he knew this could make Yuuki angry at him. Also he could not bear to give Yuuki such grief. Not one to allow a weakness, Kaname turned it into a strength. If he could not get rid of Zero then he will use him. Where Kaname could not protect Yuuki, Zero could. He would use Zero as Yuuki's shield. And at times when his jealousy overflows this is what he tells himself over and over. An excuse to let Zero live. It was really hard for Kaname. He wanted to show Yuuki he cared but he couldnt overdo it or she would get suspicious. He knew Yuuki would not understand why he loves her if she found out the truth about his feelings. She would ask questions, questions he could not yet answer. Also there was a chance they were being observed by the council. But he also didnt want to alienate her, because he couldnt live with that as well. So he had to be satisfied with a few smiles and caresses. The first time he snapped was when Zero bit Yuuki. He could not stop himself from confessing how he could not accept it that someone else bit her. He couldnt stop himself from holding her close. After that he chided himself for his weakness.

Fast forward, when Kaname confessed to Yuuki it was an act of desperation. Yuuki was asking for answers that he could not yet give. What he had tried to avoid had come to pass. Yuuki was suspicious of him. So he gave her one of the truths of his existince. That he loved her more than anyone in the world.

But Yuuki was actually more confused than suspicious. She recognized that what she felt for Kaname was far too strong for a girl who never really got too close to him. She also could no longer deny that the special feelings Kaname had for her were more than what she allowed herself to believe and she just knew there was something between them Kaname was hiding from her. Her confusion triggered some of her memories until she was drowning on them. Worrying about Zero was no longer enough to keep her thoughts out of her troubled memories. She wanted answers.

And then Yuuki regained her memories and she lost Zero. For everything they have gone through, she had grown to love Zero. It was a different kind of love from what she felt for Kaname. It wasnt as strong or as all encompasing. It was a sweet kind of love, borne from their time shared together. And worse she feels like she had betrayed him by becoming the same entity he despised. This feeling gnawed at a portion of her heart, which made her unable to give her entire heart to Kaname. Kaname accepted it, because he was willing to have Yuuki in anyway she was willing to give herself. But such halfhearted feelings were unable to save Kaname from the darkness of his past which was quickly catching up to his present. Yuuki being torn was unable to understand Kaname fully.

Now, Kaname has placed a distance between them once more. I'm not sure if Kaname's plans include a tragic ending for himself, but the feeling I get from the story is that Yuuki will save Kaname no matter what or die trying. And the only way she can do this is to settle things with Zero first, and then go to Kaname with a heart free of doubt. Whatever happens afterwards, whether they both die or have a happy ending, the main role which has always been Kaname's will shift to Zero. Having been in the midst of the story about the two purebloods who gave their all for love, Zero will keep the peace between vampires and humans. Being a witness to the suffering such strife can cause, Zero becomes a champion for the peace. And this will be the end if of the Bloody Pureblood Love Story.


Oh, and I just realized this is my very first post after 7 months of being a member. go figure.

soulkeeper_pol wrote:

Kaname and Yuuki loved each other the moment they set eyes on each other. Yuuki always thought of the two of them becoming like Haruka and Juuri in the future, to marry and raise a family and Kaname loved Yuuki too much to want whatever she wanted. BUt to protect Yuuki, Juuri sealed Yuuki's vampire powers and Kaname was forced to make a decision to either selfishly keep her by his side with the darkness, or allow Yuuki to explore the light. Kaname wanted Yuuki so much to be with him but in the end Yuuki's welfare won. Yuuki grew up as a human who's entire world centered on this one single vampire who rescued her on that one snowy night. At first she was scared of him as the first thing she could ever remember in her existence was being attacked by a vampire but for some reason, her heart felt a fondness for him that she could not explain. So instead of hating vampires, she accepted them because of this person's existence. She couldnt forget him. When he was near, he is the only one she thinks about and when he's away all she wanted was to see him again. As a child this did not bother her, she just wanted to love him. But as she grew up she recognized the difference in their worlds and it began to trouble her. She began to feel insecure about Kaname's feelings for her. It seemed impossible for someone like him to love a girl like her. She began to feel their distance and yet she couldnt stop feeling happy in his prescence. She felt unworthy. At that moment, Yuuki was saved by Zero. Here appeared a person who needed her. Taking care of him made her forget her insecurities and at the same time it made him feel closer to Kaname. She followed Kaname's example, giving Zero her kindness and her smiles. She would save Zero the way Kaname saved her. Zero gave her strength. And she also grew attached to him.

And Kaname was jealous. The first time he saw Zero, he felt a mixture of pity and jealousy. Pity for what the boy had gone through and jealousy that he could be near the girl Kaname loved so much. Moreover, Yuuki was growing attached to the boy and Kaname wanted to get rid of him more and more but he knew this could make Yuuki angry at him. Also he could not bear to give Yuuki such grief. Not one to allow a weakness, Kaname turned it into a strength. If he could not get rid of Zero then he will use him. Where Kaname could not protect Yuuki, Zero could. He would use Zero as Yuuki's shield. And at times when his jealousy overflows this is what he tells himself over and over. An excuse to let Zero live. It was really hard for Kaname. He wanted to show Yuuki he cared but he couldnt overdo it or she would get suspicious. He knew Yuuki would not understand why he loves her if she found out the truth about his feelings. She would ask questions, questions he could not yet answer. Also there was a chance they were being observed by the council. But he also didnt want to alienate her, because he couldnt live with that as well. So he had to be satisfied with a few smiles and caresses. The first time he snapped was when Zero bit Yuuki. He could not stop himself from confessing how he could not accept it that someone else bit her. He couldnt stop himself from holding her close. After that he chided himself for his weakness.

Fast forward, when Kaname confessed to Yuuki it was an act of desperation. Yuuki was asking for answers that he could not yet give. What he had tried to avoid had come to pass. Yuuki was suspicious of him. So he gave her one of the truths of his existince. That he loved her more than anyone in the world.

But Yuuki was actually more confused than suspicious. She recognized that what she felt for Kaname was far too strong for a girl who never really got too close to him. She also could no longer deny that the special feelings Kaname had for her were more than what she allowed herself to believe and she just knew there was something between them Kaname was hiding from her. Her confusion triggered some of her memories until she was drowning on them. Worrying about Zero was no longer enough to keep her thoughts out of her troubled memories. She wanted answers.

And then Yuuki regained her memories and she lost Zero. For everything they have gone through, she had grown to love Zero. It was a different kind of love from what she felt for Kaname. It wasnt as strong or as all encompasing. It was a sweet kind of love, borne from their time shared together. And worse she feels like she had betrayed him by becoming the same entity he despised. This feeling gnawed at a portion of her heart, which made her unable to give her entire heart to Kaname. Kaname accepted it, because he was willing to have Yuuki in anyway she was willing to give herself. But such halfhearted feelings were unable to save Kaname from the darkness of his past which was quickly catching up to his present. Yuuki being torn was unable to understand Kaname fully.

Now, Kaname has placed a distance between them once more. I'm not sure if Kaname's plans include a tragic ending for himself, but the feeling I get from the story is that Yuuki will save Kaname no matter what or die trying. And the only way she can do this is to settle things with Zero first, and then go to Kaname with a heart free of doubt. Whatever happens afterwards, whether they both die or have a happy ending, the main role which has always been Kaname's will shift to Zero. Having been in the midst of the story about the two purebloods who gave their all for love, Zero will keep the peace between vampires and humans. Being a witness to the suffering such strife can cause, Zero becomes a champion for the peace. And this will be the end if of the Bloody Pureblood Love Story.

PERFECT POST!!
that's a standing ovation right there ^.


You've given a new way of looking at the first arc events and more than that gave true meaning of Kaname and Yuki's relationship. Indeed we all have our way of understanding the story and I believe this is the best one.

I will reply to the rest of that post in a while~

the reason why Kaname says "when a little attachment was about to be born, the HW passed away" he was technically saying "just when I was about to fall in love with her she died and there goes my chances of love"

And if Kaname should die for her, the more Yuki will love him, and the more she will cherish his memory. It's possible to choose loving the memory of a loved one long after they're gone instead of loving anyone.

I just backtracked reading on posts. I just needed to quote this because I love it. I also believe in it 100%. The way Yuuki feels for Kaname now, there is no way anyone can fight of his ghost if he somehow sacrifices himself for her. Yuuki might respect Kaname's wishes and go on living but she will never be able to replace him in her heart. And maybe, just so maybe, he would have also left her with a child or two at that point. Preferably boy and girl twins. ~_^

soulkeeper_pol wrote:
I just backtracked reading on posts. I just needed to quote this because I love it. I also believe in it 100%. The way Yuuki feels for Kaname now, there is no way anyone can fight of his ghost if he somehow sacrifices himself for her. Yuuki might respect Kaname's
wishes and go on living but she will never be able to replace him in her heart.

Its also based on several truths in the manga.
When Kaname admitted he had done those terrible things, she told him, "If your sins were because of me, then let me fall down with you to the depths. Taint me too."
IMO if Kaname died for her, she would become more attached to him because of what he did for her, perhaps even more than before.
"No one can be a substitute for a person" --it applies that if Yuki cannot cope with Kaname's loss then she had loved Zero, he became the Substitute.
and this means Kaname had still prevailed in her heart in the end

Hellraiser wrote:That’s not the Kaname she’d come to love. That’s not her Oni-sama. She wants answers. She still believes in Kaname, the good Kaname that had saved her life all those years ago.

Yuki had always accepted Kaname no matter who he is or what he did, as she showed in chapter 66. She definitely keeps proving others wrong that she's going to change her mind soon, which can only come from someone who's deeply in love. Her desire to seek after him after seeing him kill Nagamichi was to ask about their Start Over, rather than to rant on him for killing someone innocent or doing a "bad, evil thing". You can read this in chapter 68 in the manga Vampire Knight.

Also, I get the vibe that one of the reasons for Yuuki fully accepting
Kaname after him admitting to killing Shizuka and the vampire council is
because she feels that it's her fault. She doesn't want Kaname to
suffer alone in his own guilt for all the things he's done because she
is the reason for some of his selfish actions, which is a very Yuuki trait. She can't see someone not feeling guilty for killing. In her mind, killing is wrong.

Yuki wanted to share in Kaname's pain when she found out he was doing it for her, wanting to fall deep with him if it meant easing the burden of carrying it alone. Yuki also wanted to share in Zero's pain when he was just a boy and clawing at his neck spitting his hatred--when he needed blood she gave it to him despite it being taboo, because she wanted to ease the burden of his fear to become a monster.
This is yuki's trait, and its not just her way of loving. It's accepting them no matter how heavy their sins or what they do to her, by having "unshakeable faith" that even endured having a gun pointed at her and called an enemy, and to be given a promise only to be broken at the next yet still keep on believing.

He wanted to keep Yuuki safe and in a place he knew she wouldn’t get
hurt… but… that’s not Yuuki. She’s not an object he can just lock away.
He finally comes to terms with this as the manga progresses. He slowly
begins to let her spread her wings.

Kaname had given her everything and provided her with most of the things she would need. Now he had given her nothing but her freedom and she still chases after him, asking him why.

Why would a girl, who had her freedom robbed, been given a new different and strange life from the one she had, and been imposed the new standards of which she was to live from then on, go after the same person who had given her these, if she was supposed to feel any sort of ill towards it?

The answer is no, it was not what Kaname did to her, its what Kaname means to her that she is chasing after him despite her getting "locked up".

Yuki says it herself as if in an endless chatter, as if always to serve as a reminder to the forgetful fans who intentionally block its meaning,

"Kaname, you are the beginning of my world. And everything in that world."

Kaname is the beginning of Yuki's human life.
Now Kaname is also the beginning of Yuki's pureblood life.
He became the life giving water that filled that world--Yuki's world--he had saved her, given her Cross, watched over her, protected her, given her what she needed and more-- he had filled her existence where Zero only touched the bottom. While Zero lived so close to her and did things with her as a prefect, he had only been her faithful shadow, while Kaname was part of her soul, her body and her blood. Kaname was not only her inspiration, he was her savior, her warmth, her reason for being beside Zero himself.

This is the reason why I see the idea of "Yuki turning human as per Kaname's sacrifice" as improbable or unlikely without Kaname being the core of her existence in that life as well.

Not Zero, her shadow, but Kaname, the beginning of her everything.

This means a ZEKI happening in that kind of ending is also improbable in my views because of the reasons stated above.

Or it is possible the next time Yuki begins her life it would be as Kaname's wife
The start over's importance is easily discarded and treated as a blockage, when in fact, it has just stopped its course, with no hints that it has ended there. What will happen when the startover resumes? What if it only paused its course, so Kaname can better execute his plans fully? Can you simply imagine that Kaname would leave it hanging easily like that? I don't think so.

It wouldn’t surprise me. Kaname isn’t stupid. He knows Yuuki’s heart
better than she does herself. Kaname also knows that Zero won’t be an
obstacle…

Kaname considers Zero as a Dispensable Pawn that can be thrown away. His use as a pawn was to become Yuki's shield. He was thrown away by the end of chapter 48, where even Sara acknowledges it as she meets Zero again at the girl's school.

Kaname knows that, if he’s no longer around to protect Yuuki, Zero will always remain true to her.

While that is true, Zero is a vampire with an uncertain future as a level D-level E, as long as he's not confirmed from being cured from it, then definitely the safest place will never be beside him.

And he cannot protect Yuki if the enemy is himself.

Rather Yuki will be the one to protect him from his own monster, and I believe that's where she will finally use her accessory bracelet on him

I believe Kaname deserves peace.

I believe Kaname deserves love more than peace. Living is only a consequence that becomes a curse when one has no one meaningful to share it with. He did not have this luxury with the HW who dominated him during times of war, and he had been stricken by the tedious effect of life itself that can only come from someone who's been living alone for a long time.
He had finally found complete acceptance and love in Yuki, something he did not have and something he clearly treasures. It is his right to be happy in love, a rightful blessing after living a long time.

sweetsolace wrote:

soulkeeper_pol wrote:
I just backtracked reading on posts. I just needed to quote this because I love it. I also believe in it 100%. The way Yuuki feels for Kaname now, there is no way anyone can fight of his ghost if he somehow sacrifices himself for her. Yuuki might respect Kaname's
wishes and go on living but she will never be able to replace him in her heart.

Its also based on several truths in the manga.
When Kaname admitted he had done those terrible things, she told him, "If your sins were because of me, then let me fall down with you to the depths. Taint me too."
IMO if Kaname died for her, she would become more attached to him because of what he did for her, perhaps even more than before.
"No one can be a substitute for a person" --it applies that if Yuki cannot cope with Kaname's loss then she had loved Zero, he became the Substitute.
and this means Kaname had still prevailed in her heart in the end

Hellraiser wrote:That’s not the Kaname she’d come to love. That’s not her Oni-sama. She wants answers. She still believes in Kaname, the good Kaname that had saved her life all those years ago.

Yuki had always accepted Kaname no matter who he is or what he did, as she showed in chapter 66. She definitely keeps proving others wrong that she's going to change her mind soon, which can only come from someone who's deeply in love. Her desire to seek after him after seeing him kill Nagamichi was to ask about their Start Over, rather than to rant on him for killing someone innocent or doing a "bad, evil thing". You can read this in chapter 68 in the manga Vampire Knight.

Also, I get the vibe that one of the reasons for Yuuki fully accepting
Kaname after him admitting to killing Shizuka and the vampire council is
because she feels that it's her fault. She doesn't want Kaname to
suffer alone in his own guilt for all the things he's done because she
is the reason for some of his selfish actions, which is a very Yuuki trait. She can't see someone not feeling guilty for killing. In her mind, killing is wrong.

Yuki wanted to share in Kaname's pain when she found out he was doing it for her, wanting to fall deep with him if it meant easing the burden of carrying it alone. Yuki also wanted to share in Zero's pain when he was just a boy and clawing at his neck spitting his hatred--when he needed blood she gave it to him despite it being taboo, because she wanted to ease the burden of his fear to become a monster.
This is yuki's trait, and its not just her way of loving. It's accepting them no matter how heavy their sins or what they do to her, by having "unshakeable faith" that even endured having a gun pointed at her and called an enemy, and to be given a promise only to be broken at the next yet still keep on believing.

He wanted to keep Yuuki safe and in a place he knew she wouldn’t get
hurt… but… that’s not Yuuki. She’s not an object he can just lock away.
He finally comes to terms with this as the manga progresses. He slowly
begins to let her spread her wings.

Kaname had given her everything and provided her with most of the things she would need. Now he had given her nothing but her freedom and she still chases after him, asking him why.

Why would a girl, who had her freedom robbed, been given a new different and strange life from the one she had, and been imposed the new standards of which she was to live from then on, go after the same person who had given her these, if she was supposed to feel any sort of ill towards it?

The answer is no, it was not what Kaname did to her, its what Kaname means to her that she is chasing after him despite her getting "locked up".

Yuki says it herself as if in an endless chatter, as if always to serve as a reminder to the forgetful fans who intentionally block its meaning,

"Kaname, you are the beginning of my world. And everything in that world."

Kaname is the beginning of Yuki's human life.
Now Kaname is also the beginning of Yuki's pureblood life.
He became the life giving water that filled that world--Yuki's world--he had saved her, given her Cross, watched over her, protected her, given her what she needed and more-- he had filled her existence where Zero only touched the bottom. While Zero lived so close to her and did things with her as a prefect, he had only been her faithful shadow, while Kaname was part of her soul, her body and her blood. Kaname was not only her inspiration, he was her savior, her warmth, her reason for being beside Zero himself.

This is the reason why I see the idea of "Yuki turning human as per Kaname's sacrifice" as improbable or unlikely without Kaname being the core of her existence in that life as well.

Not Zero, her shadow, but Kaname, the beginning of her everything.

This means a ZEKI happening in that kind of ending is also improbable in my views because of the reasons stated above.

Or it is possible the next time Yuki begins her life it would be as Kaname's wife
The start over's importance is easily discarded and treated as a blockage, when in fact, it has just stopped its course, with no hints that it has ended there. What will happen when the startover resumes? What if it only paused its course, so Kaname can better execute his plans fully? Can you simply imagine that Kaname would leave it hanging easily like that? I don't think so.

It wouldn’t surprise me. Kaname isn’t stupid. He knows Yuuki’s heart
better than she does herself. Kaname also knows that Zero won’t be an
obstacle…

Kaname considers Zero as a Dispensable Pawn that can be thrown away. His use as a pawn was to become Yuki's shield. He was thrown away by the end of chapter 48, where even Sara acknowledges it as she meets Zero again at the girl's school.

Kaname knows that, if he’s no longer around to protect Yuuki, Zero will always remain true to her.

While that is true, Zero is a vampire with an uncertain future as a level D-level E, as long as he's not confirmed from being cured from it, then definitely the safest place will never be beside him.

And he cannot protect Yuki if the enemy is himself.

Rather Yuki will be the one to protect him from his own monster, and I believe that's where she will finally use her accessory bracelet on him

I believe Kaname deserves peace.

I believe Kaname deserves love more than peace. Living is only a consequence that becomes a curse when one has no one meaningful to share it with. He did not have this luxury with the HW who dominated him during times of war, and he had been stricken by the tedious effect of life itself that can only come from someone who's been living alone for a long time.
He had finally found complete acceptance and love in Yuki, something he did not have and something he clearly treasures. It is his right to be happy in love, a rightful blessing after living a long time.

Wow! Amazing posts! I salute the two of you!

Hellraiser wrote: I see Kaname/Yuuki as more of a plot device for the author to tell Kaname's story in a way that a reader is left feeling love and frustration for Kaname.

Plot device definition:
A fatal disease that causes the death of a character, whether major or minor. The character(s) that has died of plot device has/have bitten the dust in order to somehow advance the plot ( the plot WOULD NOT move forward without their death)

Plot device was named so by the fact that anything that moves the plot forward is a plot device.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bitten%20the%20dust

So …
1. Kaname can’t be a plot device cuz his death would stop the plot’s development rather than to advance it.

2. If we stretch the “term” to a relationship viz to Yume then that means that this relationship should “die” in order to move forwards the plot. Since this hasn’t happened yet, labelling the Yume relationship as a plot device is merely a prediction. Also this I suppose should happen before the end of the plot cuz otherwise which plot will advance?
Moreover since as YOU said >>>

He is the picture … This very story is Kaname’s story.

>>> IF Hino “kill” Yume HOW she will tell Kaname’s story since Yume is her way to depict his story ??? I see a contradiction here …

From the story thus far Yume is still alive … is the main romance (the canon) and we’re missing a big part of Kaname’s past. On the other hand Zeki relationship never moved forward from friendship to something romantic … at least obvious without ambiguity etc. Furthermore in the last chapters there are some signs which MIGHT lead their “potential romantic relationship” to the end.

So under that light my feeling is that Zeki is the plot device which will die first in order to move forward the Yume relationship aka the rest of Kaname’s story. I’m basing my hypothesis on the fact that Hino has put on hold the Yume “re-start” by separating them in order to give the Zeki relation the space to resolve their unfinished issues … plus the fact that she is keeping us in the dark about his original plan which pinpoints to his past.

Either way we are talking about PREDICTIONS and not FACTS, so we shall see how the plot will be developed.

To me, Kaname/Hooded Woman is very similar to Zero/Yuuki in terms of relationship advancement.

I agree … there are lots of common points between those two relations:

1. Ambiguity … which means are open to many interpretations concerning their nature …
2. Both, HW and Zero have played a significant role in Kaname’s and Yuuki’s lives. HW helped Kaname to man up and find a purpose to his existence and Zero helped Yuuki when Kaname couldn’t … when their different natures put a wall in Yuuki’s mind.

Soulkeeper_pol made an excellent description of the way Zero helped Yuuki >>>

She began to feel their distance and yet she couldnt stop feeling happy in his prescence. She felt unworthy. At that moment, Yuuki was saved by Zero. Here appeared a person who needed her. Taking care of him made her forget her insecurities and at the same time it made him feel closer to Kaname. She followed Kaname's example, giving Zero her kindness and her smiles. She would save Zero the way Kaname saved her. Zero gave her strength. And she also grew attached to him.

I totally agree with you! ^^

3. Kaname felt a SMALL attachment for the HW and in the same way Yuuki described her relation to Zero >>> an attachment … one part of her heart …

4. The HW mostly was a motherly figure for Kaname (>> “good boy Kaname) … she literally saved his life and so was Yuuki for Zero in a sense … and she also saved his life …

He’d planned to end this war of vampires for her, I’m betting. She had human parents. She openly says that she wanted to be useful to mankind and Kaname. He wanted to sacrifice everything just for her.

If I were you I wouldn’t bet all my money on that ^^^ lol.

He was planning to sacrifice himself in order to stop PBs’ immortality by creating the anti-vampire weapons >>>
Kaname: “I was doing a certain kind of experiment … on our abnormal ability to resurrect ourselves, and how to stop it.”
http://www.mangareader.net/104-57201-1/vampire-knight/chapter-64.html
http://www.mangareader.net/104-57201-2/vampire-knight/chapter-64.html

The HW had no idea about this … it was Kaname’s wish to be useful to mankind and not hers at the beginning at least >>>

HW: “ Why mankind? They need it even less. We do not plan to come into contact with humans for any reason other than necessary.”
http://www.mangareader.net/104-57201-3/vampire-knight/chapter-64.html

Also the HW “scolded” Kaname because of his refusal to take blood from humans!
http://www.mangareader.net/104-54910-31/vampire-knight/chapter-62.html

>>> which means that she had turned humans into vampires something that Kaname never wished to do as we also saw from the years he had spent at the village.

What I’m trying to say is that the plan to save the human race was HIS because it was HIS ideal!
When Kaname discovered the way to kill PBs then the HW changed her view and decided to fight against the PBs that were turning humans >>>
http://www.mangareader.net/104-57201-4/vampire-knight/chapter-64.html

>>> which means he didn’t want to sacrifice himself JUST FOR HER but because he wanted to save the mankind! Furthermore he had NO idea that the HW would sacrifice herself instead of him >>>
“I didn’t wish for that woman’s sacrifice …”
http://www.mangareader.net/104-57201-6/vampire-knight/chapter-64.html

“I ignored the smell of a secret and the faint feeling I had …”
http://www.mangareader.net/104-57201-11/vampire-knight/chapter-64.html

In short the HW was the one who inspired FROM Kaname’s ideology about humans and SHE was the one who sacrificed herself FOR him and not vice-versa as you interpret. As for why she did it … again it’s open to interpretations. My opinion is that she had multiple reasons:
- Cuz she also loved humans and through Kaname’s discovery found the way to be useful >>>
“Kaname I ALSO like humans”
http://www.mangareader.net/104-57201-10/vampire-knight/chapter-64.html

“I want to be useful to people …”
http://www.mangareader.net/104-57201-11/vampire-knight/chapter-64.html

- Maybe cuz she knew that Kaname could be more useful or make the difference if he stayed alive to lead that war >>>
“I want to be useful to Kaname too.”
“You’re a good boy Kaname … even if I’m not with you, you must work hard”
http://www.mangareader.net/104-57201-11/vampire-knight/chapter-64.html

- Perhaps cuz she loved him and she didn’t want to be HE who would sacrifice his life for his IDEOLOGY and not for her ofc …

Therefore your conclusion >>>

Now, that shows immeasurable love, in my opinion.

>>> it might be true for the HW but not for Kaname … so your second conclusion>>>

His love for Yuuki and the Hooded Woman are equivalent.

>>> IMO is baseless since your above reasoning isn’t supported from the manga as I think I pointed out with the scans.

I see him feeling guilty for chaining her to the cursed fate of being a pureblood, possibly one of the many reasons they can't move forward as a couple.

Mmm … did he have any other choice but to awake her? I think is crystal clear that he didn’t, so why to feel guilty about that?
But you are right on something … he indeed feels guilty for this bloody world and also I agree that he thinks that is crucial to make that world better and safer in order to move forward with the girl he LOVES MORE THAN EVERYTHING IN THE ENTIRE WORLD (<< his words not mine). It’s his promise to her and his motivation in the current life … thus and he made the personal sacrifice and left her to fulfil his promise.

I get the vibe that one of the reasons for Yuuki fully accepting Kaname after him admitting to killing Shizuka and the vampire council is because she feels that it's her fault.

You’re basing your “vibe” on what?
Yuuki has said >>>

“If it’s him … even if he betrays me my feelings for him would never change … I’ve liked Kaname-senpai the most since 10 years ago … I’ve always liked him … whenever I think of that ΜΑΝ my mind will whirl full with thoughts of him so much that I could lose myself …” (<<< she’s saying these words TO ZERO!!!!)

”Whether he is a vampire or not it doesn’t actually matter … No matter how grim a situation Kaname-senpai is in … he always puts me before anything else! He is that kind of person …” (chap. 32)

”How could I hate you (for Kaname) … That’s absolutely not possible … Whether is from the past or right now I’ve always liked you most! … I could never find a reason to hate Kaname-sama … even if Kaname was like the vampire who wanted to bite me … even if they are both vampires” (<< in front of ZERO again) (chap.32)

I think Yuuki has already answered to your “vibe” … prior she learns about Shizuka and the senate … she loves Kaname uncoditionally lol.

She can't see someone not feeling guilty for killing. In her mind, killing is wrong.

Mmm but she didn’t feel any guilt at all when she helped Zero to kill Rido … in fact she wanted to be a part of his elimination. Furthermore wasn’t Yuuki the one who grabbed her Artemis and played the reaper???

Of course she doesn’t enjoy it, neither Kaname as well. Both of them I’m sure that they would like to put an end to this eternal bloody circle.
Can you tell the same thing for Zero? Does he feel any guilt for the vampires he had killed or for the killings he would love to do IF he’ll have the opportunity?

She is confused and devastated, as would anyone who witnesses a loved one committing a heinous act and then leaving them. That’s not the Kaname she’d come to love.

According to the manga Yuuki felt devastated because he left her >>>

1. “There is no way we can be separate like this … I can’t stand this … Let me go … He said that we’ll go through a long journey together… and after I thought I would be moving forward from now on with him… And this time I want him to engrave the time we have been spending together in his memories” (chap. 68)

2. ”Restrained by the hunters’ … but my heart is bound far away …” (chap. 69)

3. ”After this I will follow you Kaname …” (chap.69)

4. ”My reason for holding the fort is …” (chap. 70)

5. When Takuma asked her she said firmly that she trusts Kaname.

So If you could please provide the scans which support your wording >>> “She is confused and devastated, as would anyone who witnesses a loved one committing a heinous act…” cuz all I can see is the people who trusted Kaname before his “heinous act” still trust him and support him … Yuuki, Takuma, Ruca, Kain … not even Aidou has turned against him … So?

He is the progenitor. Kaien believed going after the Kurans would end his fate as a hunter and Sara even mentioned something about Kaname being the progenitor. Its right there in one’s face. Kaname is the beginning and the end of vampires. He was the one who twisted the fate of the purebloods because of what he is.

My impression is quite different about the history of the vampires …

Kaname is the progenitor of the Kurans and he is ONE of the ancestors of vampire’s race like the HW was as well.
So since he isn’t the only ONE of whom vampires were born how he is the one who twisted their fate?
I’m basing my knowledge on the manga and fanbook … you are basing yours on what?
Maybe you could explain this further …

soulkeeper_pol wrote: However, you must remember that Yuuki loved Kaname before any of these guilt feelings. It seems to me the way Hino-sama created the story, Yuuki loved Kaname from the moment she was born. Like they were fated for each other. Like the only reason she was born was because Kaname woke up from his slumber. Like the only reason that Kaname was awoken by Rido is because Yuuki will be born. Like the only reason Yuuki is full of light is to counter the darkness in Kaname. It could be coincidence but then again it could be fate. I'm too much a romantic, I know >.<

I love it, I love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In one phrase Kaname and Yuuki are soul mates!!!!

@ sweetsolace and soulkeeper *bows* your posts were brilliant!

Hellraiser wrote:
I personally see Zero and Yuuki as being the final pair due to all the hints dropped throughout the entire expanse of the manga. I see Kaname/Yuuki as more of a plot device for the author to tell Kaname's story in a way that a reader is left feeling love and frustration for Kaname. Now, I’m not denying that Kaname and Yuuki love one another; it's blatantly stated several times in the manga. Kaname/Yuuki was very much canon. It's just how the story itself flows. Will it be endgame? No one really knows.

To me there are far more hints and facts that Yume will be endgame, look at my previous post to see why I think this (its the fifth post). https://vampireknight.all-up.com/t255p130-who-is-best-for-yuuki-kaname-or-zero

Hellraiser wrote:He’d planned to end this war of vampires for her, I’m betting. She had human parents. She openly says that she wanted to be useful to mankind and Kaname. He wanted to sacrifice everything just for her. Now, that shows immeasurable love, in my opinion.

I disagree I think the reason Kaname planned the war was due to his love of humans and his wish to protect them. Kaname was helping humans before HW came along we see this from his memories when some humans thank him for his wisdom in helping them with their crops. Kaname was already interested in helping and assisting humans. Also there is also a strong possibility Kaname’s own parents were human, due to him being an ancestor. So he has his own interests in wanting to protect and help humans. The reason him and HW crossed paths is due to they wanted the same goal. HW said to Kaname “I also like humans”, that means Kaname already liked them before HW. For more on this read Nina’s excellent post.

Hellraiser wrote:When it comes to current time, Kaname himself is the looming shadow behind you, whispering your next move in your ear. He is the presence that stirs change, but he isn't a part of the big picture. He is the picture, the very board that Zero, Yuuki, Kaien, Kain, Maria, Sara, and others are moving across. This very story is Kaname’s story.

I agree the story is very Kaname invested, though he was the first character hino invented so it’s obvious his role would be big. A lot of the characters move in accordance with Kaname’s actions, to me he propels the story, sort of like steering the ship.

Hellraiser wrote: We all have our likes and dislikes and this is heavily based on what we ship in a series.

No one truly knows until the very end. Only the author herself does. We'll just have to wait and see what happens. So... everyone just sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride.

Very true we all have our likes and dislikes in the manga. We may not know who will be endgame, but we have faith in our ships to be.

sweetsolace wrote:

Kaname's motives and his reasons for doing things are vague and subject to a lot of speculations since he had not revealed most of them and his past is still wide enough to leave open holes, but it is shown he is gearing towards something that he is determined to end, enough to leave Yuki and consider her as a distraction to his plans.

Yuki shows no signs of faltering in her faith or feelings for him despite his actions or the ambiguity that surrounds it or the distance that separates them. Proof of this is her telling Zero that she drank his blood to fulfill her duty as a Kuran pureblood---the condition she had set to herself was to finish her duties and to go after him, it had been on her mind since the first day she started her night class. Hence, the ultimate purpose she took Zero's blood was to go after Kaname. Her interest to seek out Kaname and ask him questions still remains. .

I fully agree sweet!

sweetsolace wrote: "What is best for Yuki " means neglecting her personal feelings and opinions as to who she loves more and gives that decision to others and to circumstance. Not her.

The Love triangle composes of two males and one female where she is the only one who chooses at the end of the day.

Who is best for Yuki according to her means she decides who she will pick in the end. The circumstances won't do it for her. She will.

And if Kaname should die for her, the more Yuki will love him, and the more she will cherish his memory. It's possible to choose loving the memory of a loved one long after they're gone instead of loving anyone.

As for the rest of your post I will reply maybe later.

Exactly it’s what Yuuki wants, not what is best for her. It’s her decision who she chooses.

sweetsolace wrote:

Kaname had given her everything and provided her with most of the things she would need. Now he had given her nothing but her freedom and she still chases after him, asking him why.

Why would a girl, who had her freedom robbed, been given a new different and strange life from the one she had, and been imposed the new standards of which she was to live from then on, go after the same person who had given her these, if she was supposed to feel any sort of ill towards it?

The answer is no, it was not what Kaname did to her, its what Kaname means to her that she is chasing after him despite her getting "locked up".

Yuki says it herself as if in an endless chatter, as if always to serve as a reminder to the forgetful fans who intentionally block its meaning,

"Kaname, you are the beginning of my world. And everything in that world."

Kaname is the beginning of Yuki's human life.
Now Kaname is also the beginning of Yuki's pureblood life.
He became the life giving water that filled that world--Yuki's world--he had saved her, given her Cross, watched over her, protected her, given her what she needed and more-- he had filled her existence where Zero only touched the bottom. While Zero lived so close to her and did things with her as a prefect, he had only been her faithful shadow, while Kaname was part of her soul, her body and her blood. Kaname was not only her inspiration, he was her savior, her warmth, her reason for being beside Zero himself.

This is the reason why I see the idea of "Yuki turning human as per Kaname's sacrifice" as improbable or unlikely without Kaname being the core of her existence in that life as well.

Not Zero, her shadow, but Kaname, the beginning of her everything.

Excellent question sweet and i agree with what you have posted!!!

@Nina: My dear i agree with all you have said, and you have some excellent points there!!!

Nina and Bloodredhead, AWESOME posts! I agree with EVERYTHING!

soulkeeper_pol wrote:However, you must remember that Yuuki loved Kaname before any of these guilt feelings. It seems to me the way Hino-sama created the story, Yuuki loved Kaname from the moment she was born. Like they were fated for each other. Like the only reason she was born was because Kaname woke up from his slumber. Like the only reason that Kaname was awoken by Rido is because Yuuki will be born. Like the only reason Yuuki is full of light is to counter the darkness in Kaname. It could be coincidence but then again it could be fate. I'm too much a romantic, I know >.<

Awww, how romantic! I LOVE this!

Wow! *claps* Rawr! I love you guys. Keep it comin'. Hahaha! I'll leave you all to your own devices. ;D

First of all .


I know I sound as a cheerleader , but :

Heavy applauses to Nina , Soulkeeper_pol , Sweetsolace and Bloodredhead . Wonderful posts .



Second :

Hellraiser wrote:Wow! *claps* Rawr! I love you guys. Keep it comin'. Hahaha! I'll leave you all to your own devices. ;D

Could this means we see the world with pink glasses / contacts ?

Good to know so many of us have similar imagination / ideas .



Third :

Now in a more serious note .

I feeling kind of lazy today . So I'm only to quote myself from another forum .

Quoting myself , 9/15/11 :

As both of you said before . It's doesn't matter if Kaname loved the hooded woman or not . It doesn't change the outcome .

He had to love her . But his love wasn't the same as the one for Yuuki .

As nobody could substitute another person . ( Kaname was the one who said this to Yuuki . )

I can pressume the HW knew him before he remembered meeting her for the first time .
It's obvious she was Kaname's mentor and friend in the past .
Kaname said he wanted to love her ; because he see that as a way to not requiring drinking blood from humans . If he had a mate who he can love , his blood need would be filled .
Kaname also said he lost her when his attachment to her was small .
There was a possibility the HW being Kaname's mate during his past life . ( This is only speculation so far . )

Also the time frame between the HW death and the time of Kaname deciding to slumber has to be a long time .
Maybe even thousands of years . As Kaname probably began slumber around 1000 to 2000 years before his awakening by Rido . So is possible to think Kaname was mourning a different woman than the HW the day he was shown crying over a broken mirror in front of the Kuran Manor door prior to his slumber .

Kaname see Yuuki as the person he had loved more in his entire live . Until there's new information contradicting this ; this is a fact . Even if he could have more people in his past he had loved .

****The important point present during all the time Kaname was recreating his memories is :

Every time Kaname makes an attachment to a person / people he thought he could trust / love ; he lost them .

Sometime in the past , Kaname lost his will to live and chose to slumber forever . But he chosen not to kill himself.
For some reason unknow yet , he kept a small hope to find happiness in his future .

When he met Yuuki as a newborn baby , he recognized her as the one who could make his life bright again . The one who could break the bad luck he had everytime he tried to make someone significative to him . But this time he decided to protect Yuuki . To avoid losing her as he had every time in his past . Beause this time , she is the one who Kaname sees as the most important person in the whole word . The one he has loved most in his entire live . Even to prefer sacrificing himself before losing her doing the same .

Fourth :


A little thing I believe is important for the resolution of the story in V. K. This is needed no matter which is the ending nor the final couple in V. K.

Yuuki will save both Kaname and Zero from their inner demons .

She has enough goodness in her heart to try to save both . The surprise is how she is going to do this . How at last Yuuki will discover who is the one she loves romantically . And who is the one she see as family / friend .

Awesome post Mariangie!

Could this means we see the world with pink glasses / contacts ?

Good to know so many of us have similar imagination / ideas .

This really cracked me up. I think we do.

And that is good to know. I was so happy when reading all of Bloodredhead, Sweetsolace, Nina, Soulkeeper_pol, and Mariangie posts. It's also a relief to know so many do.

I was copy pasting posts on notepad so I could quote them but I ended up having so many, so instead I deleted them all and I'll just say this in general to all the Yume posts, KUDOS to you. Reading your posts touched my heart because they were completely the same as to how I felt about the Yume love. I love you guys.

If Yuki hadn't of been bitten by Kaname, then Zero definitely would have been the perfect match. They were like a fighting old married couple. Heehee, it's so cute how they acted together. Zero is a loyal guy and does what is right, and Yuki likes to take care of people and protect what means alot to her. Zero would obediently care for her. I just wish he wasn't all super depressed all the time, and murderous towards vampires.

But after she was bitten, Yuki had changed, and her personality has seemed to morph a bit, too. Now it kind of seems like she is a ditsy princess who doesn't consider what is important but dreams all day about Kaname.

I personally don't like Yuki and Kaname's relationship, though. Kaname just seems obsessed with her, and the only real reason I could find that Yuki liked Kaname was 'because he saved her all those years ago' and him being her brother and their fate with their clan and all. But from the series it didn't seem like she had a real reason to love him. As for Zero, though, he was a good friend deep down and he'd do anything to protect her, despite being so cold-hearted. If Yuki would have dug down a bit deeper.. I bet he would have opened up to her more...

YukikaChan wrote: As for Zero, though, he was a good friend deep down --

exactly. he was a good friend for Yuki but her lover was Kaname.

But after she was bitten, Yuki had changed, and her personality has seemed to morph a bit, too.

Zero also thinks Yuki has changed because she became a pureblood but she hasn't really changed both physically and mentally as Yori herself observed. Yuki had loved Kaname all along you just failed to see it. Kaname accepted her as a human and pureblood, loving her unconditionally in both forms, while Zero stopped doing so when she turned.