Does Zero feel Rejected?

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I wonder if he's harboring any resentments towards Yuki because she chose Kaname...

@anneliez

No problem with "ZERo not being able to stop himself from falling in love" if anyone can do that that is admirable. But yeah like you said he can't. I NEVER said otherwise... ha ha my sore was on Zero knowing her feelings for Kaname and still he KISSED, BIT AND HUG HER as if it was force.. and I really have an issue that he did it on the same action as saying "he will kill her or turn her to enemy" its just a very CONFUSING statement so I dont really know what he wants sometimes i suspect he's being phony about it. The issue i have is with zero being rude to a woman he knows has someone she already loves its like he gave one moment to becoem an inconsiderate bastarrd to do anything he wants with yuki just because he wasnt able to express himself - and rob her heart to open his pent up feelings and another moment (where he lets yuki bite) and yet another moment (where yuki is also provoked unecessarly to stop him) and i see this moments like he is flirting with her on the cover of wanting to protect her. so he feels phony that way, but this is just my outloook to his moves

@anneliez

Yeah, you can't control for whom you fall in love, but still are things which can be controlled, such as keeping his hands away from someone else woman/girl.

From the beggining he knew yuuki's in love with kaname, but in the end he chose to mess with yuuki. why did he did that? to know the feeling of kissing her? how this will help him when he forced himself on a girl he knews she has feelings for someone else?
It was reckless from his part and he didn't consider yuuki's feelings as well.

Anneliezz wrote:

Conrad Weller wrote:

Zero feels rejected. More he is a very confuse person. in that chapter i forgot were, Zero KNEW Yuki was in love with Kaname and yet he still kissed and hug her. he has the nerve. in his mind he thinks there is a chance for yuki to change her mind. In fact she just felt sorry for him the whole time. I dont like the way he confess his emotions to her like that despite what he knew. ITS IMPOLITE, RUDE and just INCONSIDERATE.

bearcute <3
i absolutely agree with you . he is just confused he has confused himself. he knew everything from the very beginning that kaname and yuuki love each other just why did he have to go and develop those feelings. no matter how you see it he was in the wrong. if he is rejected it's his fault when he knew yuuki and kaname love each other since they were kids, he saw it all he shouldn't have developed any feelings so not to be hurt .

I'm just going to repeat myself here. How can you blame someone for falling in love !?

I really don't get tthat. As if he would've choosen to fall in love with yuuki, that is just absolutely rediculous ! Indeed, he knew yuuki had a crush on kaname, hz knew he made no chance (this is weird in the post by the way. You say he knew yuuki loved kaname, but later you accuse him of thinking he had a chance???) so why would he have wanted to fall for her. It's is something you can not choose nor prevent. And one can not be blamed for what they can not prevent

ridiculous ? if you know two people love each other and then you fall in love with them well i dont like that and wont accept it. it's like you are coming in between. i said zero's character is bad where ? i said he is confused and yes he is in wrong. first of all i dont think he even loves her he is way too protective of her as a very close friend.

i never said he had a chance i quoted someone who said that. he doesn't have any. really cant choose who you love well i dont think so. one[zero] can at least stop themselves if they know that the person they love as you said i really dont think he loves her[yuuki] is already in love with someone else[kaname] and that someone else[kaname] loves that person[yuuki] extremely very much before they[zero] even loved them.

one can't control who they love well sorry but if your love is breaking two people apart and causing them pain and you knew they never loved you i am sorry i dont like it its not love then those feelings are just a burden

aya-chan wrote:@anneliez

Yeah, you can't control for whom you fall in love, but still are things which can be controlled, such as keeping his hands away from someone else woman/girl.

From the beggining he knew yuuki's in love with kaname, but in the end he chose to mess with yuuki. why did he did that? to know the feeling of kissing her? how this will help him when he forced himself on a girl he knews she has feelings for someone else?
It was reckless from his part and he didn't consider yuuki's feelings as well.

THANK YOU !! you really said the stuff on my thoughts!! my friend has the same thing to say about this like you, no wonder you are likable

Conrad Weller wrote: first of all i dont think he even loves her he is way too protective of her as a very close friend.

i never said he had a chance i quoted someone who said that. he doesn't have any. really cant choose who you love well i dont think so. one[zero] can at least stop themselves if they know that the person they love as you said i really dont think he loves her[yuuki] is already in love with someone else[kaname] and that someone else[kaname] loves that person[yuuki] extremely very much before they[zero] even loved them.

one can't control who they love well sorry but if your love is breaking two people apart and causing them pain and you knew they never loved you i am sorry i dont like it its not love then those feelings are just a burden

i perfectly agree with this, it mimics my feelings as well. i dont understand, whats the use if the woman wont love you back you're just ruining a good relationship, its selfish thing..

bearcute <3 wrote:@anneliez

No problem with "ZERo not being able to stop himself from falling in love" if anyone can do that that is admirable. But yeah like you said he can't. I NEVER said otherwise... ha ha my sore was on Zero knowing her feelings for Kaname and still he KISSED, BIT AND HUG HER as if it was force.. and I really have an issue that he did it on the same action as saying "he will kill her or turn her to enemy" its just a very CONFUSING statement so I dont really know what he wants sometimes i suspect he's being phony about it. The issue i have is with zero being rude to a woman he knows has someone she already loves its like he gave one moment to becoem an inconsiderate bastarrd to do anything he wants with yuki just because he wasnt able to express himself - and rob her heart to open his pent up feelings and another moment (where he lets yuki bite) and yet another moment (where yuki is also provoked unecessarly to stop him) and i see this moments like he is flirting with her on the cover of wanting to protect her. so he feels phony that way, but this is just my outloook to his moves

aya-chan wrote:@anneliez

Yeah, you can't control for whom you fall in love, but still are things which can be controlled, such as keeping his hands away from someone else woman/girl.

From the beggining he knew yuuki's in love with kaname, but in the end he chose to mess with yuuki. why did he did that? to know the feeling of kissing her? how this will help him when he forced himself on a girl he knews she has feelings for someone else?
It was reckless from his part and he didn't consider yuuki's feelings as well.

I get where you guys are coming from. But on the other hand, I still can not blame him for doing so ( for the reasons I've mentioned before). Ofcourse this is from zeki perspective (that yuuki has some feelings for him as well).

Anyways I don't think he should be blamed for helping her either. It shouldn't be a problem when he's helping her. Beause it doesn't seem to me yhat he's trying to win her back or something. Even so, yuuki is a pb, she is strong enough to push him back (not that I want that too happen hehe^^). It's not like she's a doll with whom he can do as he want's . Yuuki decides about her own actions too.
Really, the guy needs some understanding too. He gets blamed for keeping her away (the so-called being rude) and for trying to help (also rude?). Even when he's nothing, he's been called a passive character (don't even get where that is coming from)
( BTW , this is just in general on forums, not you guys :p)

ConradWeller

ridiculous ? if you know two people love each other and then you fall in love with them well i dont like that and wont accept it. it's like you are coming in between. i said zero's character is bad where ? i said he is confused and yes he is in wrong. first of all i dont think he even loves her he is way too protective of her as a very close friend.

i never said he had a chance i quoted someone who said that. he doesn't have any. really cant choose who you love well i dont think so. one[zero] can at least stop themselves if they know that the person they love as you said i really dont think he loves her[yuuki] is already in love with someone else[kaname] and that someone else[kaname] loves that person[yuuki] extremely very much before they[zero] even loved them.

one can't control who they love well sorry but if your love is breaking two people apart and causing them pain and you knew they never loved you i am sorry i dont like it its not love then those feelings are just a burden

1. I never accused you of naming zero bad, I just metioned why he was doing this (in contradiction to what some people seem to say) being rude too keep his distance2.Your post is contradicting again. You sa he stands no chance but later you say he's breaking them apart. Am I supposed to read this as a possibility of zeki?? LOL
3. You seems the only person whe thinks a person can choose who he falls in love with. Of you are capable of this wunderfull ability , than congratulations but most people aren't.
4. Again, You make it sound like Zero would want to fall in love with someone who already has a crush. This would mean that zero is an alien because there is no one ( except for massochists) who wishes for such a thing. So again waht one can not help, he can not be blamed for (I refer to Lex Acquila again, I can give you some examples if you want)
5. It's not about what you accept, It's about what Hino-san writes.
6. You think he doesn't love her (now is maybe discussable, but not in the first arc). Just as friends. Yeah sure, that's why he kissed her. Because that's just what friends do.
7. Ofcourse Kaname loved her first, he knew her first. Why is this even part of the conversation?


I'm sorry if I got rude anywhere, Not my intention.
Peace to you all
edit: the bold part

bearcute <3 wrote:

aya-chan wrote:@anneliez

Yeah, you can't control for whom you fall in love, but still are things which can be controlled, such as keeping his hands away from someone else woman/girl.

From the beggining he knew yuuki's in love with kaname, but in the end he chose to mess with yuuki. why did he did that? to know the feeling of kissing her? how this will help him when he forced himself on a girl he knews she has feelings for someone else?
It was reckless from his part and he didn't consider yuuki's feelings as well.

THANK YOU !! you really said the stuff on my thoughts!! my friend has the same thing to say about this like you, no wonder you are likable

Conrad Weller wrote: first of all i dont think he even loves her he is way too protective of her as a very close friend.

i never said he had a chance i quoted someone who said that. he doesn't have any. really cant choose who you love well i dont think so. one[zero] can at least stop themselves if they know that the person they love as you said i really dont think he loves her[yuuki] is already in love with someone else[kaname] and that someone else[kaname] loves that person[yuuki] extremely very much before they[zero] even loved them.

one can't control who they love well sorry but if your love is breaking two people apart and causing them pain and you knew they never loved you i am sorry i dont like it its not love then those feelings are just a burden

i perfectly agree with this, it mimics my feelings as well. i dont understand, whats the use if the woman wont love you back you're just ruining a good relationship, its selfish thing..

They are my thoughts as well! Awesome posts!

Also, yes, I don't understand and definitely don't like it when someone comes in-between two people who are obviously in love with each other. It is selfish.

I understand one can't choose who to fall in love with, but one can control the urge to try and get the person to love them back.

to anneliezz
its ok anneliezz I understand where you are coming from, yeah Zero is misunderstood sometimes i do not blame him for that i just dont like his character but he adds conflict so its ok

Anneliezz wrote:

ConradWeller

ridiculous ? if you know two people love each other and then you fall in love with them well i dont like that and wont accept it. it's like you are coming in between. i said zero's character is bad where ? i said he is confused and yes he is in wrong. first of all i dont think he even loves her he is way too protective of her as a very close friend.

i never said he had a chance i quoted someone who said that. he doesn't have any. really cant choose who you love well i dont think so. one[zero] can at least stop themselves if they know that the person they love as you said i really dont think he loves her[yuuki] is already in love with someone else[kaname] and that someone else[kaname] loves that person[yuuki] extremely very much before they[zero] even loved them.

one can't control who they love well sorry but if your love is breaking two people apart and causing them pain and you knew they never loved you i am sorry i dont like it its not love then those feelings are just a burden

1. I never accused you of naming zero bad, I just metioned why he was doing this (in contradiction to what some people seem to say)
2.Your post is contradicting again. You sa he stands no chance but later you say he's breaking them apart. Am I supposed to read this as a possibility of zeki?? LOL
3. You seems the only person whe thinks a person can choose who he falls in love with. Of you are capable of this wunderfull ability , than congratulations but most people aren't.
4. Again, You make it sound like Zero would want to fall in love with someone who already has a crush. This would mean that zero is an alien because there is no one ( except for massochists) who wishes for such a thing. So again waht one can not help, he can not be blamed for (I refer to Lex Acquila again, I can give you some examples if you want)
5. It's not about what you accept, It's about what Hino-san writes.
6. You think he doesn't love her (now is maybe discussable, but not in the first arc). Just as friends. Yeah sure, that's why he kissed her. Because that's just what friends do.
7. Ofcourse Kaname loved her first, he knew her first. Why is this even part of the conversation?


I'm sorry if I got rude anywhere, Not my intention.
Peace to you all

well you did get rude. whetnher you admit or not.

1.i know about myself not some.

2.there is no chance of zeki. i think you should read what i wrote the one i quoted said about chances. i said there is no chance.i highlighted what i wrote.

3.you have no right to write that i said if you know your love will not be returned its better to stop the feelings there only . are you even reading what i wrote ?

4.whether you admit or not he did fall for someone who loves someone else. since you say zero loves yuki. hell he even helped her giving chocolates to kaname. i dont think he loves her. alright happy.

5 where did this come from ?.i can state what i think i am saying my view . of course what counts is what the author writes. do you even need to write that. everyone knows that.

6.i said he has confused his feelings of being overprotective with love. know no friends kiss . thats absurd. thats why i wrote he is confused that he loves her and wants to protect like close person. not lover.

7.for explaination.

Conrad Weller wrote:

Anneliezz wrote:

ConradWeller

ridiculous ? if you know two people love each other and then you fall in love with them well i dont like that and wont accept it. it's like you are coming in between. i said zero's character is bad where ? i said he is confused and yes he is in wrong. first of all i dont think he even loves her he is way too protective of her as a very close friend.

i never said he had a chance i quoted someone who said that. he doesn't have any. really cant choose who you love well i dont think so. one[zero] can at least stop themselves if they know that the person they love as you said i really dont think he loves her[yuuki] is already in love with someone else[kaname] and that someone else[kaname] loves that person[yuuki] extremely very much before they[zero] even loved them.

one can't control who they love well sorry but if your love is breaking two people apart and causing them pain and you knew they never loved you i am sorry i dont like it its not love then those feelings are just a burden

1. I never accused you of naming zero bad, I just metioned why he was doing this (in contradiction to what some people seem to say)
2.Your post is contradicting again. You sa he stands no chance but later you say he's breaking them apart. Am I supposed to read this as a possibility of zeki?? LOL
3. You seems the only person whe thinks a person can choose who he falls in love with. Of you are capable of this wunderfull ability , than congratulations but most people aren't.
4. Again, You make it sound like Zero would want to fall in love with someone who already has a crush. This would mean that zero is an alien because there is no one ( except for massochists) who wishes for such a thing. So again waht one can not help, he can not be blamed for (I refer to Lex Acquila again, I can give you some examples if you want)
5. It's not about what you accept, It's about what Hino-san writes.
6. You think he doesn't love her (now is maybe discussable, but not in the first arc). Just as friends. Yeah sure, that's why he kissed her. Because that's just what friends do.
7. Ofcourse Kaname loved her first, he knew her first. Why is this even part of the conversation?


I'm sorry if I got rude anywhere, Not my intention.
Peace to you all

well you did get rude. whetnher you admit or not.

1.i know about myself not some.

2.there is no chance of zeki. i think you should read what i wrote the one i quoted said about chances. i said there is no chance.i highlighted what i wrote.

3.you have no right to write that i said if you know your love will not be returned its better to stop the feelings there only . are you even reading what i wrote ?

4.whether you admit or not he did fall for someone who loves someone else. since you say zero loves yuki. hell he even helped her giving chocolates to kaname. i dont think he loves her. alright happy.

5 where did this come from ?.i can state what i think i am saying my view . of course what counts is what the author writes. do you even need to write that. everyone knows that.

6.i said he has confused his feelings of being overprotective with love. know no friends kiss . thats absurd. thats why i wrote he is confused that he loves her and wants to protect like close person. not lover.

7.for explaination.

I said I didn't mean to be rude. I admit that I stae my opinion firmly, but I have never the intention of insulting anyone. We are all VK fans after all. Sorry If I did insult you, as said before not my intention
1. I don't really get what you mean? LIke I said, I did not accuse you of saying anything. It's whart I said
2.You said he is breaking them apart. How Im I supposed consider that the same as no chance? And btw I was making a joke about the zeki-chance to make the mood a little lighter.
3.Yes , I am reading what you wrote. And I'm writing that a person can not choose who e falls for (also stopping to fall in love falls under that category.) I did not mean you in person btw ( I read my comment again, and I realized it sounded wrong. In my naguage it doesn't but in english it does, sorry)I ment that in general people are not capable of choosing love.
4. Where do I not admit that zero fell for yuuki who was already in love? You'll need to quote me that part...Him helping her, is only more proof to me that he was not selfish. Even though he loved her, he helped her ginving a valentine gift to an other guy. Real love is not selfish.
5. Never mind that. My fault for misunderstanding.
6. Really , I thought the whole discussion about zero loving her (at least in the first arc) was over.....but that is not this topic. I will not go on about it.

i think he kinda feels rejected...who wouldn't.....and in my opinion when he says that he doesnt feel a thing about yuki is a lie...to convince not only her,but himself also....who hasnt done that when he thinks that the one he likes doesnt want him back?

Anneliezz wrote:

I said I didn't mean to be rude. I admit that I stae my opinion firmly, but I have never the intention of insulting anyone. We are all VK fans after all. Sorry If I did insult you, as said before not my intention
1. I don't really get what you mean? LIke I said, I did not accuse you of saying anything. It's whart I said
2.You said he is breaking them apart. How Im I supposed consider that the same as no chance? And btw I was making a joke about the zeki-chance to make the mood a little lighter.
3.Yes , I am reading what you wrote. And I'm writing that a person can not choose who e falls for (also stopping to fall in love falls under that category.) I did not mean you in person btw ( I read my comment again, and I realized it sounded wrong. In my naguage it doesn't but in english it does, sorry)I ment that in general people are not capable of choosing love.
4. Where do I not admit that zero fell for yuuki who was already in love? You'll need to quote me that part...Him helping her, is only more proof to me that he was not selfish. Even though he loved her, he helped her ginving a valentine gift to an other guy. Real love is not selfish.
5. Never mind that. My fault for misunderstanding.
6. Really , I thought the whole discussion about zero loving her (at least in the first arc) was over.....but that is not this topic. I will not go on about it.

that was a general statement about lovers. and as its said zero loves yuki it refers to that. i think he cares for her and has confused his feelings thats it.

no that was in refernce to your masochist statement or something. real love is not selfish we shouldn't get in this discussion.

thats it.

Conrad Weller wrote:

Anneliezz wrote:

I said I didn't mean to be rude. I admit that I stae my opinion firmly, but I have never the intention of insulting anyone. We are all VK fans after all. Sorry If I did insult you, as said before not my intention
1. I don't really get what you mean? LIke I said, I did not accuse you of saying anything. It's whart I said
2.You said he is breaking them apart. How Im I supposed consider that the same as no chance? And btw I was making a joke about the zeki-chance to make the mood a little lighter.
3.Yes , I am reading what you wrote. And I'm writing that a person can not choose who e falls for (also stopping to fall in love falls under that category.) I did not mean you in person btw ( I read my comment again, and I realized it sounded wrong. In my naguage it doesn't but in english it does, sorry)I ment that in general people are not capable of choosing love.
4. Where do I not admit that zero fell for yuuki who was already in love? You'll need to quote me that part...Him helping her, is only more proof to me that he was not selfish. Even though he loved her, he helped her ginving a valentine gift to an other guy. Real love is not selfish.
5. Never mind that. My fault for misunderstanding.
6. Really , I thought the whole discussion about zero loving her (at least in the first arc) was over.....but that is not this topic. I will not go on about it.

that was a general statement about lovers. and as its said zero loves yuki it refers to that. i think he cares for her and has confused his feelings thats it.

no that was in refernce to your masochist statement or something. real love is not selfish we shouldn't get in this discussion.

thats it.

Oh okey
Indeed, I don't think we'll agree on that part anyway
And again, if my posts sound rude, it's not the intention , It's just different how it sounds in an other language
Ah we agree about that last part( love is not selfish)

We can get allong too:p

Conrad Weller wrote:

Anneliezz wrote:

ConradWeller

ridiculous ? if you know two people love each other and then you fall in love with them well i dont like that and wont accept it. it's like you are coming in between. i said zero's character is bad where ? i said he is confused and yes he is in wrong. first of all i dont think he even loves her he is way too protective of her as a very close friend.

i never said he had a chance i quoted someone who said that. he doesn't have any. really cant choose who you love well i dont think so. one[zero] can at least stop themselves if they know that the person they love as you said i really dont think he loves her[yuuki] is already in love with someone else[kaname] and that someone else[kaname] loves that person[yuuki] extremely very much before they[zero] even loved them.

one can't control who they love well sorry but if your love is breaking two people apart and causing them pain and you knew they never loved you i am sorry i dont like it its not love then those feelings are just a burden

1. I never accused you of naming zero bad, I just metioned why he was doing this (in contradiction to what some people seem to say)
2.Your post is contradicting again. You sa he stands no chance but later you say he's breaking them apart. Am I supposed to read this as a possibility of zeki?? LOL
3. You seems the only person whe thinks a person can choose who he falls in love with. Of you are capable of this wunderfull ability , than congratulations but most people aren't.
4. Again, You make it sound like Zero would want to fall in love with someone who already has a crush. This would mean that zero is an alien because there is no one ( except for massochists) who wishes for such a thing. So again waht one can not help, he can not be blamed for (I refer to Lex Acquila again, I can give you some examples if you want)
5. It's not about what you accept, It's about what Hino-san writes.
6. You think he doesn't love her (now is maybe discussable, but not in the first arc). Just as friends. Yeah sure, that's why he kissed her. Because that's just what friends do.
7. Ofcourse Kaname loved her first, he knew her first. Why is this even part of the conversation?


I'm sorry if I got rude anywhere, Not my intention.
Peace to you all

well you did get rude. whetnher you admit or not.

1.i know about myself not some.

2.there is no chance of zeki. i think you should read what i wrote the one i quoted said about chances. i said there is no chance.i highlighted what i wrote.

3.you have no right to write that i said if you know your love will not be returned its better to stop the feelings there only . are you even reading what i wrote ?

4.whether you admit or not he did fall for someone who loves someone else. since you say zero loves yuki. hell he even helped her giving chocolates to kaname. i dont think he loves her. alright happy.

5 where did this come from ?.i can state what i think i am saying my view . of course what counts is what the author writes. do you even need to write that. everyone knows that.

6.i said he has confused his feelings of being overprotective with love. know no friends kiss . thats absurd. thats why i wrote he is confused that he loves her and wants to protect like close person. not lover.

7.for explaination.

In my perspective this is not correct. Zeki and Yume have equal chance for being ending couple right now and if we know Hino Matsuri we know she likes to twist the story. So until the fat lady has sung everything is possible

And Zero did help her giving Kaname chocolate because he wanted to help her. That dosen´t mean he likes it.

Zero isn´t confused about his feelings he has never been. If you read chapter 24 - A small incident. Zero was about to kiss her, because he Wanted to
Zero thoughts were: I yearn for... her smilie...her hands...even through i should not yearn for her.
But he did not kiss her because he knew she was already in love with someone else and because he would not burden her with his feelings and maybe because he knew she would be sad if she knew his feelings. Thats what i see from his actions. And there was a old greek philosopher (Can´t spell his name) Who said that true love is unselfish. Zero did help her getting close to Kaname because that would make her happy
[/i] He would make her happy even if his heart would break and frozen and end up as a cold stone. What only matters is she is happy. Zero was broken because she was with Kaname but that was her chose and he did respect that. And remember Zero cold mask was to keep distances. So after my meaning it dosen´t show he don´t love her but indstead that he´s in deeply love with her. And if you was him and you did know you was going to lose the love of you life forever. Wouldn you tell her how you feel? Hold her? Kiss her? Zero did thought they wouldn´t meet again. With the kiss he said I Love you goodbye my love
I would. But thats my opion btw one of longest post ever

ok i done think zero feels rejected because yuki cares for zero and i can say he rejected her when he try to kill her.

aya-chan wrote:

Yeah, you can't control for whom you fall in love, but still are things which can be controlled, such as keeping his hands away from someone else woman/girl.

From the beggining he knew yuuki's in love with kaname, but in the end he chose to mess with yuuki. why did he did that? to know the feeling of kissing her? how this will help him when he forced himself on a girl he knews she has feelings for someone else?
It was reckless from his part and he didn't consider yuuki's feelings as well.

i think this answers my reasons well vampire cythia. its all a matter of how one view things thats it. what you said you will lose that person because you know they are not for you,you want to kiss them, hug them for once well kissing them is just going to mess with their lives and it is interfering.its a general view. you are entitled to your view i am entitled to mine.its closed.

bearcute <3 wrote:Zero feels rejected. More he is a very confuse person. in that chapter i forgot were, Zero KNEW Yuki was in love with Kaname and yet he still kissed and hug her. he has the nerve. in his mind he thinks there is a chance for yuki to change her mind. In fact she just felt sorry for him the whole time. I dont like the way he confess his emotions to her like that despite what he knew. ITS IMPOLITE, RUDE and just INCONSIDERATE. he is not a gentlymen I know that, but he could have a little RESPECT for Yuki's feelings despite her transformation and did it in another way. the whole thing looked force and he have to bite her without permission too its just rude and perverted

sorry this is what i feel im a bit of a feminist

It was his fault for letting his feelings for her to grow to the love level.

yah... the problem with love is yu have to let go if you know you dont have a chance if you know you have then fight but otherwise..... its just the realist way. no need to make it complicated. its a difference between wanting and robbing.
zero esp knew that yuki was in love with kaname since the start and he still love her , he has no one to blame but HIMSELF


sorry im mean but i feel like zaero feels bitter about not being chosen and he lashes out on yuki when its his fault, i hope he doesnt lash out on yuki its not her fault she love kaname more. I really hate men who get heartbroken and then blame or hurt the girl when she chose another so i hope it doesnt happen people need to get real


anyway im going out and may not be back

I f*king agree with you to nth DEGREE!!!

and welcome bearcute!!! go voice out your OPINIONS dont let anyone stop you, I love everything you said!

in my opinion, Zero should accept the decision of the girl and stop harassing her! its not only petty but also rude and blind! Forcing her to change her mind about love is not only very fake but also manipulative and is not love, no matter HOW MUCH Zero cared or did things for Yuki, by the end of the day it comes down to RESPECTING her decision and move on. And yes Im positive Yuki doesnt like Zero in that way...

like the saying, If you love her, set her free. If you truly love her, let her go to the man she loves.

IMO its not true love if he is forcing her to love him, its desperation

also, its not up to ANYONE to decide who is best for Yuki, its YUKI'S HEART not theirs so who are they to tell her who's best for her.

Incriminating the opposing party or saying bad things about him while making his moves and pretending to be friend is pretty low and hypocritical, I say let her do something about him and stop trying to take control of her decision.



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this is so crazy i just realized im posting here for the first time. i think I got too lazy to post in this topic and was doing more reading.

Bearcute, Caela:

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edit: I also noticed that I did not answer this; At least I think... even though I am going to give a very simple answer;

he should feel rejected because that's how people feel when they are in love but their feelings are being rejected or if they are completely overviewed (which is mostly the case here IMO). "Rejection" is a broader term to define feelings of sadness and dissapointment, I guess when the feelings find no actual response. Well that's all...

Does Zero feel rejected?

I'd say yes. The girl he loves, loves another man and goes to be with him. I think anyone would feel rejected.

In relation to Zero's hate. Yes Zero has hated vampire's and has done for a long time, but i think recently there has been signs of his hate being less generalized, and more focused on those he considers "bad". Recently he has been civil to Maria(carried her back to her room), Aidou (went to check on him in the HA and remebered something that happened in the first arc between them, i'm referring to the lavender scented pillows), and Yuuki (offered her blood, though he has done some not so civil things towards yuuki to like pointing the gun but i think this is down to his inner turmoil and confusion over his feelings). His way of expressing himself can be unconventional sometimes, and can be confusing due to his sway from one action to the next, but i believe his hate isn't so generalized anymore that he hates every vampire. Exceptions are starting to take root, and i think this is the start of his progression and maturing in this aspect of his feelings. Just to state this is my own personal opinion.

Yes I think Zero does...I really feel for him...I wish Yuki could realize her feelings for him, because they just belong together! And I don't blame Zero for being a little bit angry at Yuki. Zero knew that Yuki loved Kaname, and he was jealous and didn't show his true feelings towards Yuki, which I hope that he does a lot sooner or later. I hope that he keeps being romantic like he used to be when she was human, and tell Yuki that he LOVES her. That he would do absolutely ANYTHING for her.

Zero has been through so MUCH in his life! He had to suffer along with his twin brother, Ichiru, because he thought he had stole what was taken from him, and because he had to devour him in the end, to become the true hunter that he was supposed to be born into...

Then Shizuka Hio totally ruined his life by turning him into a vampire and killing his family. And Kaname COULD have killed Rido Kuran in the beginning, but he didn't so Shizuka's lover would be on the execution list, and so Zero would become a vampire; It was all apart of his PLAN. So Zero suffered greatly because Kaname wanted to use his only as a pawn. Fair enough, it was to protect Yuki, but still....

I could be very wrong about some of this, but its just my opinion, and I think that Zero deserves to be loved by Yuki...Kaname can get any girl ANY day (Ruka, or someone else) But ZERO...I can't imagine him with anybody else...Not Yori or Maria Kuranai, they haven't been able to bond enough. I know that Kaname suffered ALOT because of waiting all those years...BUT, I think Zero suffered more.

Everytime now I watch the Anime, I get mad at Kaname because of how he treats Zero...Like a SERVANT. Like he only cares about him killing Rido and being freed from Rido's spell. Kaname has only cared about Yuki and himself. No one else...He USES everybody for Yuki's safely...As PAWNS...As pieces on his chessboard, he thinks it's a big GAME...Kaname has a side to him that is EXACTLY like Rido. And I still don't completely understand why Kaname wants to destroy all Purebloods. And I find it weird how Zero has the same goal...ALSO, I think that Kaname wants Yuki to no longer trust him, and for her to go with Zero...

Haha sorry for the LONG message...I just want everyone to see how strongly I think Zero and Yuki deserve to be together. Kaname is an Ancestor! It would be like me dating my Grandpa 0_0 Very weird! ZERO AND YUKI FOREVER! I LOVE U ZERO!

Hmmmm that is a difficult question...


About Zero's feelings about Yuuki's going with kaname I think that Zero never wanted Yuuki to get any closer to him than necessary from the start even though he loved her because he was barely struggling to survive and was practically living on the edge. He knew that his fall was inevitable and if Yuuki were any close to him he might hurt her.

he wont let her close to him because he doesn't want to drag her in his problems and lead her down the dark path he walks, especially not if she can live a perfectly happy life with someone else who can protect her. So when kaname revealed yuuki's past and the fact that she was always meant to be with him, Zero stepped away because he knew he never had much life left in him anyway and whatever that was still left was drowning in a pool of darkness, one that he wanted Yuuki as far away from as possible.

I don't think he feels rejected.. I mean he has already been condemned to lead a life full of darkness and he doesn't want anyone else to be a part of it


@sweetsolace and bearcute. I realize that you guys don't support Zeki but seriously it would be nice if you kept your hatred to yourself and cut out the bashing... Zero was never bitter because he wasn't the chosen one or because Yuuki left or whatever. He had been bitter from the start and that was because of his deteriorating condition and the fact that he was falling to a level E. His hatred for PBs and his role as a hunter was what made him point his gun at Yuuki not the fact that she was kaname's woman now. He never forced himself on her when he kissed her. If Yuuki ever felt that he was forcing himself on her she could have pushed him away but she didn't. He simply kissed her goodbye and let her go..

Saffron161 wrote:Yes I think Zero does...I really feel for him...I wish Yuki could realize her feelings for him, because they just belong together! And I don't blame Zero for being a little bit angry at Yuki. Zero knew that Yuki loved Kaname, and he was jealous and didn't show his true feelings towards Yuki, which I hope that he does a lot sooner or later. I hope that he keeps being romantic like he used to be when she was human, and tell Yuki that he LOVES her. That he would do absolutely ANYTHING for her.

Zero has been through so MUCH in his life! He had to suffer along with his twin brother, Ichiru, because he thought he had stole what was taken from him, and because he had to devour him in the end, to become the true hunter that he was supposed to be born into...

Then Shizuka Hio totally ruined his life by turning him into a vampire and killing his family. And Kaname COULD have killed Rido Kuran in the beginning, but he didn't so Shizuka's lover would be on the execution list, and so Zero would become a vampire; It was all apart of his PLAN. So Zero suffered greatly because Kaname wanted to use his only as a pawn. Fair enough, it was to protect Yuki, but still....

I could be very wrong about some of this, but its just my opinion, and I think that Zero deserves to be loved by Yuki...Kaname can get any girl ANY day (Ruka, or someone else) But ZERO...I can't imagine him with anybody else...Not Yori or Maria Kuranai, they haven't been able to bond enough. I know that Kaname suffered ALOT because of waiting all those years...BUT, I think Zero suffered more.

Everytime now I watch the Anime, I get mad at Kaname because of how he treats Zero...Like a SERVANT. Like he only cares about him killing Rido and being freed from Rido's spell. Kaname has only cared about Yuki and himself. No one else...He USES everybody for Yuki's safely...As PAWNS...As pieces on his chessboard, he thinks it's a big GAME...Kaname has a side to him that is EXACTLY like Rido. And I still don't completely understand why Kaname wants to destroy all Purebloods. And I find it weird how Zero has the same goal...ALSO, I think that Kaname wants Yuki to no longer trust him, and for her to go with Zero...

Haha sorry for the LONG message...I just want everyone to see how strongly I think Zero and Yuki deserve to be together. Kaname is an Ancestor! It would be like me dating my Grandpa 0_0 Very weird! ZERO AND YUKI FOREVER! I LOVE U ZERO!

I support Zeki as much as you do but I am sorry that doesn't give us a reason to flame other pairings since there are others on this forum who support yume just as much as we support zeki and I think all of us should respect differences of opinion. The point of this discussion is not starting flame wars..

shizza24 wrote:

@sweetsolace and bearcute. I realize that you guys don't support Zeki but seriously it would be nice if you kept your hatred to yourself and cut out the bashing... Zero was never bitter because he wasn't the chosen one or because Yuuki left or whatever. He had been bitter from the start and that was because of his deteriorating condition and the fact that he was falling to a level E. His hatred for PBs and his role as a hunter was what made him point his gun at Yuuki not the fact that she was kaname's woman now. He never forced himself on her when he kissed her. If Yuuki ever felt that he was forcing himself on her she could have pushed him away but she didn't. He simply kissed her goodbye and let her go..

well that was the impression I get that doesnt mean I "hold hatred to him" or i bash
ive already explained why I think he is probably bitter, but I never claimed that as fact... it was my opinion and my impression just like how zekifans think Kaname is evil etc.

i dont know how else to explain why Zero was angry at Kaname after Yuki left him then when kaname didnt even harm him, maybe because he thinks its Kaname's fault for turning Yuki or he cant deal with the fact she was a vampire all along or he is bitter for being left alone by himself while yuki went to the man she loves.

Saffron161 wrote:Yes I think Zero does...I really feel for him...I wish Yuki could realize her feelings for him, because they just belong together! And I don't blame Zero for being a little bit angry at Yuki. Zero knew that Yuki loved Kaname, and he was jealous and didn't show his true feelings towards Yuki, which I hope that he does a lot sooner or later. I hope that he keeps being romantic like he used to be when she was human, and tell Yuki that he LOVES her. That he would do absolutely ANYTHING for her.

Zero has been through so MUCH in his life! He had to suffer along with his twin brother, Ichiru, because he thought he had stole what was taken from him, and because he had to devour him in the end, to become the true hunter that he was supposed to be born into...

Then Shizuka Hio totally ruined his life by turning him into a vampire and killing his family. And Kaname COULD have killed Rido Kuran in the beginning, but he didn't so Shizuka's lover would be on the execution list, and so Zero would become a vampire; It was all apart of his PLAN. So Zero suffered greatly because Kaname wanted to use his only as a pawn. Fair enough, it was to protect Yuki, but still....

I could be very wrong about some of this, but its just my opinion, and I think that Zero deserves to be loved by Yuki...Kaname can get any girl ANY day (Ruka, or someone else) But ZERO...I can't imagine him with anybody else...Not Yori or Maria Kuranai, they haven't been able to bond enough. I know that Kaname suffered ALOT because of waiting all those years...BUT, I think Zero suffered more.

Everytime now I watch the Anime, I get mad at Kaname because of how he treats Zero...Like a SERVANT. Like he only cares about him killing Rido and being freed from Rido's spell. Kaname has only cared about Yuki and himself. No one else...He USES everybody for Yuki's safely...As PAWNS...As pieces on his chessboard, he thinks it's a big GAME...Kaname has a side to him that is EXACTLY like Rido. And I still don't completely understand why Kaname wants to destroy all Purebloods. And I find it weird how Zero has the same goal...ALSO, I think that Kaname wants Yuki to no longer trust him, and for her to go with Zero...

Haha sorry for the LONG message...I just want everyone to see how strongly I think Zero and Yuki deserve to be together. Kaname is an Ancestor! It would be like me dating my Grandpa 0_0 Very weird! ZERO AND YUKI FOREVER! I LOVE U ZERO!

About your comment in bold print... I believe it's impossible. Kaname simply cannot kill Rido from the very beginning. The reason why is because Yuuki's uncle have created the ancestral Kuran. No matter how many times Kaname attempts to kill him, his master always comes back and give him more despair. And I have to disagree with you. Kaname cares not only to his beloved Yuuki... but to his loyal followers of the Night Class, the chairman of the Cross Academy Kaien, and the one race he's trying to co-exist with vampires-- humans.

And Saffron... you're still bashing Kaname & Yuuki? Just because he was resurrected doesn't mean it's illegal for him to love someone. The age factor doesn't matter to vampires. Kaname's appearance looks like he's 19. Kaname & Yuuki Kuran deserves their happily ever after while Zero either remains alone or with Maria.

KuranPrince wrote:

Saffron161 wrote:Yes I think Zero does...I really feel for him...I wish Yuki could realize her feelings for him, because they just belong together! And I don't blame Zero for being a little bit angry at Yuki. Zero knew that Yuki loved Kaname, and he was jealous and didn't show his true feelings towards Yuki, which I hope that he does a lot sooner or later. I hope that he keeps being romantic like he used to be when she was human, and tell Yuki that he LOVES her. That he would do absolutely ANYTHING for her.

Zero has been through so MUCH in his life! He had to suffer along with his twin brother, Ichiru, because he thought he had stole what was taken from him, and because he had to devour him in the end, to become the true hunter that he was supposed to be born into...

Then Shizuka Hio totally ruined his life by turning him into a vampire and killing his family. And Kaname COULD have killed Rido Kuran in the beginning, but he didn't so Shizuka's lover would be on the execution list, and so Zero would become a vampire; It was all apart of his PLAN. So Zero suffered greatly because Kaname wanted to use his only as a pawn. Fair enough, it was to protect Yuki, but still....

I could be very wrong about some of this, but its just my opinion, and I think that Zero deserves to be loved by Yuki...Kaname can get any girl ANY day (Ruka, or someone else) But ZERO...I can't imagine him with anybody else...Not Yori or Maria Kuranai, they haven't been able to bond enough. I know that Kaname suffered ALOT because of waiting all those years...BUT, I think Zero suffered more.

Everytime now I watch the Anime, I get mad at Kaname because of how he treats Zero...Like a SERVANT. Like he only cares about him killing Rido and being freed from Rido's spell. Kaname has only cared about Yuki and himself. No one else...He USES everybody for Yuki's safely...As PAWNS...As pieces on his chessboard, he thinks it's a big GAME...Kaname has a side to him that is EXACTLY like Rido. And I still don't completely understand why Kaname wants to destroy all Purebloods. And I find it weird how Zero has the same goal...ALSO, I think that Kaname wants Yuki to no longer trust him, and for her to go with Zero...

Haha sorry for the LONG message...I just want everyone to see how strongly I think Zero and Yuki deserve to be together. Kaname is an Ancestor! It would be like me dating my Grandpa 0_0 Very weird! ZERO AND YUKI FOREVER! I LOVE U ZERO!

About your comment in bold print... I believe it's impossible. Kaname simply cannot kill Rido from the very beginning. The reason why is because Yuuki's uncle have created the ancestral Kuran. No matter how many times Kaname attempts to kill him, his master always comes back and give him more despair. And I have to disagree with you. Kaname cares not only to his beloved Yuuki... but to his loyal followers of the Night Class, the chairman of the Cross Academy Kaien, and the one race he's trying to co-exist with vampires-- humans.

And Saffron... you're still bashing Kaname & Yuuki? Just because he was resurrected doesn't mean it's illegal for him to love someone. The age factor doesn't matter to vampires. Kaname's appearance looks like he's 19. Kaname & Yuuki Kuran deserves their happily ever after while Zero either remains alone or with Maria.

kuranprince you are absolutely correct i agree with you wholly. zero has no right to come in between two lovers since the time they were kids.zero goes with sayori[human], or with maria[ carries shizuka's blood].

saffron so what he is the ancestor, for your information if you read the manga it is said kaname tells this to aidou, kain," she[yuuki] was born to be my wife." yuuki is the only one for kaname.of course yuuki and kaname should be married and live happily. thats the only thing i care for .you love zero right take him away then, yuuki and kaname belong with each other they loved each other when zero wasn't even in the picture.

for your information kaname did attack rido immediately after he was resurrected, he cant kill him, because rido was the one who awoke kaname from his slumber just like zero can't kill shizuka who made him a vampire. stop badmouthing kaname.

please remain on topic.. this topic is about whether or not Zero feels rejected, not whether he is coming between kaname and yuuki....


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sweetsolace wrote:

shizza24 wrote:

@sweetsolace and bearcute. I realize that you guys don't support Zeki but seriously it would be nice if you kept your hatred to yourself and cut out the bashing... Zero was never bitter because he wasn't the chosen one or because Yuuki left or whatever. He had been bitter from the start and that was because of his deteriorating condition and the fact that he was falling to a level E. His hatred for PBs and his role as a hunter was what made him point his gun at Yuuki not the fact that she was kaname's woman now. He never forced himself on her when he kissed her. If Yuuki ever felt that he was forcing himself on her she could have pushed him away but she didn't. He simply kissed her goodbye and let her go..

well that was the impression I get that doesnt mean I "hold hatred to him" or i bash
ive already explained why I think he is probably bitter, but I never claimed that as fact... it was my opinion and my impression just like how zekifans think Kaname is evil etc.

i dont know how else to explain why Zero was angry at Kaname after Yuki left him then when kaname didnt even harm him, maybe because he thinks its Kaname's fault for turning Yuki or he cant deal with the fact she was a vampire all along or he is bitter for being left alone by himself while yuki went to the man she loves.

All I'm saying is that there are better ways of phrasing it than accusing Zero of harassment. I just want everyone to not bash because it really feels insulting when others badmouth a character you like..