Does Zero feel Rejected?

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I wonder if he's harboring any resentments towards Yuki because she chose Kaname...

Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:Hahaha agreed! Everyone's always finding a reason to pick on Zero no matter what he does! First hes "emo" and "robbing yuuki of her blood", then he's a adorable for kissing her when he knew she had another love? if yuuki hated it she would have pushed him away or covered her mouth. Then he's a adorable for accepting the situation and wanting to forget yuuki so they can both move on? I also hate how people assume its a for sure thing that yuuki can only love kaname.... she still has some feelings for zero, its just a matter of when she'll let them come out and if she'll be brave enough to.

I agree with you fully she first has to admit that she does love zero

Huh?? I just noticed in my comment that I put "adorable" twice where I meant to put "adorable"...I could SWEAR i wrote adorable.... did I put adorable subconciously without realizing it or did someone somehow mess with my post?? XD

ok it's this website. someone mess with how i can type words?? i swear, i typed j-e-r-k and everytime i do it says adorable o.O I am seriously weirded out...>.<

It did that to me when i tried to write b-i-t-c-h instead i got good girl lol

lol wow... seriously?! Why not just have stars if its a bad word and people will know what you mean... but seriously?! j-e-r-k is not a cuss word or anything...>.>

I know it does it alot in fourms one puts stars but this is first one that changes the word compeltely lol

Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:lol wow... seriously?! Why not just have stars if its a bad word and people will know what you mean... but seriously?! j-e-r-k is not a cuss word or anything...>.>

Yes, it happens with more words. For example s.u.c.k.s becomes rocks. I guess it's a way in the sytem too avoid bashing

but ehm we're I think

Yes we are way off topic very much so lol

Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:Huh?? I just noticed in my comment that I put "adorable" twice where I meant to put "adorable"...I could SWEAR i wrote adorable.... did I put adorable subconciously without realizing it or did someone somehow mess with my post?? XD

Bad words are censored. I met a similar problem too. the best way is to replaced the word with something else.

I've noticed that all Zeki fans have a bad rep

Amaran wrote:To sweetsolace:
True, Yuuki could not respond to Zero's feelings for a myriad of reasons, so I never saw that scene as a scene of rejection. I always thought of it as her resolve, to stay away from him because it would be better for the both of them; Zero having something to live for, and Yuuki because she will have someone to spend eternity with.

The current relationship between Zero and Yuuki is fragile, everything that they are doing is restrained in that respect. Yuuki wants to be close to Zero again but their relationship has hit a major roadblock and so she has to take many tiny steps to slowly help it heal. Since they haven't spoken to each other in a year and are just now trying to repair what was broken, that even if Yuuki wanted a romantic relationship with Zero, it is not the right time. She is still technically Kaname's fiance and she believes Zero doesn't love her anymore. For anything to be acknowledged in that area, she has to settle things with Kaname first, whatever that may be.

why it is never zero's fault, it is most often Yuki or Kaname's fault as if they have to resolve his own problem and prejudice against vampires. Zero has to cure his own prejudice, racist outlook to all vampires before he can love anyone and stop blaming others for what he is doing. Yuki already knows Zero loves her but he also wants to be her enemy thats why she's awkward around him, it doesnt take much to figure it out.

Zero's action was done out of impulse because he released her arm soon after

if he did it on impulse then its unconscious and it does actually support the idea he is jealous of Yuki talking about Kaname DEEP INSIDE.

A chess piece. Not an equal. But something that Kaname can manipulate. So of course Zero is not going to react kindly to that since he cares for her and will act if he senses something wrong.

This contradicts what you just said about Zero's grab as impulse because it supports the idea that his want to care for her is UNCONSCIOUS, its not intentional after all.

I'm curious though, what do you make of Yuuki's look, after Zero holds onto her arm?

ah curious of what I think?
I know what zekifans think the arm grab was romantic because yuki was blushing, even the sewers will look like chocolate if it means a zeki romance.
in fact how can she even be HAPPY about it, she is actually grimacing like she has an upset stomach. Moreover, I can imagine how it would be upsetting, Zero trying to stop her from doing what she wants, he is pretty controlling. thats what i think

Youweremysafeplace* wrote:
I totally agree with you! And just to put this out there of something that really struck me of what yuki said to zero in chapter 75 was, when zero pointed his gun at yuki , she said it was alright to kill her if she was wrong. I mean she said it with a straight face. She didnt even think of kaname and if he would miss her.

haha maybe because she was so used to hearing his empty threats that it stopped convincing her.

But anyways, i think yuki was blushing because she wasnt expecting him to grab her arm and be so soft. As you can tell, it wasnt forceful or aggressive. because if it was yuki would have yanked her arm off.But he gently let her go.

what part of it was not forceful or agrressive, LOL did he ask her permission before he can grab her arm? And not once did I ever saw Yuki protest against Zero's rough actions to her, esp when he hurled her to the forest or yank her wrist, he never was one to play nice to girls. I guess for zekifans physical abuse to females esp to Yuki is A-OKAY because he was just "being tsundere", perfectly fine.

Conrad Weller wrote:

bearcute <3 wrote:For some reason I think Zero is in extreme denial of Yuki's feelings for Kaname and some part of him wanna convince himself he has a chance. Poor guy.... yeah but too bad Yuki loved Kaname first and zeo is shooting blanks.

yeah i agree and yuuki loves kaname only from the beginning, she doesn't mind even if she is the chess piece of kaname because she knows kaname loves her and she loves him too. kaname would never hurt her, zero has no chance.i mean grabbing her hand all of a sudden can't he talk to her, what's his mouth for, yuuki is kaname's fiance zero shouldn't be grabbing other's fiance's hands.

I just love Yuki's FAITH in Kaname, despite that the world is in uproar outside because of him, she is glad of anything that reminds her he still thinks of her. She is willing to be anything just to help him, she lives up to her words that she will do anything for him and she wouldn't mind being betrayed. I didn't see that amount of devotion towards Zero though, LOL, because when he declared they would be enemies Yuki believed in it without second thoughts.

Anneliezz wrote:I don't think Zero's in denial. In fact her realizes it very well. There's proof enough of that.
And why is it suddenly forbidden to grab someones hand????Even if that person has a fiancee.
And I'll say it again. Yuuki can just push him away, but she doesn't. ( She even blushes, *fangirling over this epic moment*)

why would Yuki push him away now when she had let him be rude to her since chapter 1, and even allow him to slap her hand away when they were young (dont touch me moment). Yuki should be pretty used to his rudeness but the difference is he has her all to him this time (kaname is not around ) and yet she is still thinking of him, it must have shock him there.

Really I don't get what people want anymore---> so confused.
-Zero doesn't talk too yuuki so zero is rude?
-Zero does talk to yuuki...and...he's rude??
Really, if didn't find it so annoying, I'd actually start finding this funny.

Zero doesn't talk too yuuki so zero is rude? > I did not say this.
and he is rude but only his actions, and when he does his words become one too. LOL why are you so surprised, its part of zero's character and its what I dont like. simple really...

When has it become a fact that Yuuki doesn't love Zero..? I guess I missed a chapter.

haha no you didn't miss a chapter, you missed the entire conversation.
https://vampireknight.all-up.com/t867-do-you-think-zeki-is-over

Saffron161 wrote:I've noticed that all Zeki fans have a bad rep

not all.
https://vampireknight.all-up.com/t944-the-voting-reputation-system
in case.

sweetsolace wrote:

Amaran wrote:To sweetsolace:
True, Yuuki could not respond to Zero's feelings for a myriad of reasons, so I never saw that scene as a scene of rejection. I always thought of it as her resolve, to stay away from him because it would be better for the both of them; Zero having something to live for, and Yuuki because she will have someone to spend eternity with.

The current relationship between Zero and Yuuki is fragile, everything that they are doing is restrained in that respect. Yuuki wants to be close to Zero again but their relationship has hit a major roadblock and so she has to take many tiny steps to slowly help it heal. Since they haven't spoken to each other in a year and are just now trying to repair what was broken, that even if Yuuki wanted a romantic relationship with Zero, it is not the right time. She is still technically Kaname's fiance and she believes Zero doesn't love her anymore. For anything to be acknowledged in that area, she has to settle things with Kaname first, whatever that may be.

why it is never zero's fault, it is most often Yuki or Kaname's fault as if they have to resolve his own problem and prejudice against vampires. Zero has to cure his own prejudice, racist outlook to all vampires before he can love anyone and stop blaming others for what he is doing. Yuki already knows Zero loves her but he also wants to be her enemy thats why she's awkward around him, it doesnt take much to figure it out.

Zero's action was done out of impulse because he released her arm soon after

if he did it on impulse then its unconscious and it does actually support the idea he is jealous of Yuki talking about Kaname DEEP INSIDE.

A chess piece. Not an equal. But something that Kaname can manipulate. So of course Zero is not going to react kindly to that since he cares for her and will act if he senses something wrong.

This contradicts what you just said about Zero's grab as impulse because it supports the idea that his want to care for her is UNCONSCIOUS, its not intentional after all.

I'm curious though, what do you make of Yuuki's look, after Zero holds onto her arm?

ah curious of what I think?
I know what zekifans think the arm grab was romantic because yuki was blushing, even the sewers will look like chocolate if it means a zeki romance.
in fact how can she even be HAPPY about it, she is actually grimacing like she has an upset stomach. Moreover, I can imagine how it would be upsetting, Zero trying to stop her from doing what she wants, he is pretty controlling. thats what i think

Youweremysafeplace* wrote:
I totally agree with you! And just to put this out there of something that really struck me of what yuki said to zero in chapter 75 was, when zero pointed his gun at yuki , she said it was alright to kill her if she was wrong. I mean she said it with a straight face. She didnt even think of kaname and if he would miss her.

haha maybe because she was so used to hearing his empty threats that it stopped convincing her.

But anyways, i think yuki was blushing because she wasnt expecting him to grab her arm and be so soft. As you can tell, it wasnt forceful or aggressive. because if it was yuki would have yanked her arm off.But he gently let her go.

what part of it was not forceful or agrressive, LOL did he ask her permission before he can grab her arm? And not once did I ever saw Yuki protest against Zero's rough actions to her, esp when he hurled her to the forest or yank her wrist, he never was one to play nice to girls. I guess for zekifans physical abuse to females esp to Yuki is A-OKAY because he was just "being tsundere", perfectly fine.

Conrad Weller wrote:

bearcute <3 wrote:For some reason I think Zero is in extreme denial of Yuki's feelings for Kaname and some part of him wanna convince himself he has a chance. Poor guy.... yeah but too bad Yuki loved Kaname first and zeo is shooting blanks.

yeah i agree and yuuki loves kaname only from the beginning, she doesn't mind even if she is the chess piece of kaname because she knows kaname loves her and she loves him too. kaname would never hurt her, zero has no chance.i mean grabbing her hand all of a sudden can't he talk to her, what's his mouth for, yuuki is kaname's fiance zero shouldn't be grabbing other's fiance's hands.

I just love Yuki's FAITH in Kaname, despite that the world is in uproar outside because of him, she is glad of anything that reminds her he still thinks of her. She is willing to be anything just to help him, she lives up to her words that she will do anything for him and she wouldn't mind being betrayed. I didn't see that amount of devotion towards Zero though, LOL, because when he declared they would be enemies Yuki believed in it without second thoughts.

Anneliezz wrote:I don't think Zero's in denial. In fact her realizes it very well. There's proof enough of that.
And why is it suddenly forbidden to grab someones hand????Even if that person has a fiancee.
And I'll say it again. Yuuki can just push him away, but she doesn't. ( She even blushes, *fangirling over this epic moment*)

why would Yuki push him away now when she had let him be rude to her since chapter 1, and even allow him to slap her hand away when they were young (dont touch me moment). Yuki should be pretty used to his rudeness but the difference is he has her all to him this time (kaname is not around ) and yet she is still thinking of him, it must have shock him there.

Really I don't get what people want anymore---> so confused.
-Zero doesn't talk too yuuki so zero is rude?
-Zero does talk to yuuki...and...he's rude??
Really, if didn't find it so annoying, I'd actually start finding this funny.

Zero doesn't talk too yuuki so zero is rude? > I did not say this.
and he is rude but only his actions, and when he does his words become one too. LOL why are you so surprised, its part of zero's character and its what I dont like. simple really...

When has it become a fact that Yuuki doesn't love Zero..? I guess I missed a chapter.

haha no you didn't miss a chapter, you missed the entire conversation.
https://vampireknight.all-up.com/t867-do-you-think-zeki-is-over

Saffron161 wrote:I've noticed that all Zeki fans have a bad rep

not all.
https://vampireknight.all-up.com/t944-the-voting-reputation-system
in case.

Awesome post Sweet! I love it! And I absolutely agree with everything!

To sweetsolace:
Well you asked me why Yuuki did not declare her feelings for Zero when she had the chance, so I answered that. I never said it was her fault that her relationship with Zero is so broken. He is also to blame for what happened. I agree that it is better for Zero to overcome his hatred for purebloods but like I said in another post, hatred is not something that is easily overcome but I feel like Zero is on his way to that. Even Yuuki thinks so, she still believes that Zero is gentle and has never thought of killing the purebloods.
And Yuuki doesn't think that Zero loves her anymore.
http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/71/15

An impulse is not an unconscious action per say, it is involuntary. Zero would prefer to act unfeeling but what Yuuki said surprised him that much into him acting without thinking it through. Once he though it through, he let go.

I was just curious of your opinion since scenes like that can have a wide range of interpretations. To me it looked like Yuuki was about to cry. I don't think she likes the idea of being a chess piece. Her smile looked like she wanted to cover up her pain, and not let Zero worry about her.

Amaran wrote:I don't think she likes the idea of being a chess piece. Her smile looked like she wanted cover up her pain, and not let Zero worry about her.

Maybe it's because Yuuki have chosen to be a chess piece for Kaname and protect her true love's piece as well as both humans and vampires... she still has allies from the Night Class. I'm sure she knows what she's doing and prove herself as a Kuran.

KuranPrince wrote:

Amaran wrote:I don't think she likes the idea of being a chess piece. Her smile looked like she wanted cover up her pain, and not let Zero worry about her.

Maybe it's because Yuuki have chosen to be a chess piece for Kaname and protect her true love's piece as well as both humans and vampires... she still has allies from the Night Class. I'm sure she knows what she's doing and prove herself as a Kuran.

Well I hope so...I think Yuuki isn´t the week girl anymore, she made her decision because of something she is sure avout, she knows what to do! She understood the role she has to take to fulfill her goals (you already mentioned it) I wouldn´t like being a chess piece too, but Yuuki isn´t only a chess piece, I think she will act soon

Katherine wrote:

KuranPrince wrote:

Amaran wrote:I don't think she likes the idea of being a chess piece. Her smile looked like she wanted cover up her pain, and not let Zero worry about her.

Maybe it's because Yuuki have chosen to be a chess piece for Kaname and protect her true love's piece as well as both humans and vampires... she still has allies from the Night Class. I'm sure she knows what she's doing and prove herself as a Kuran.

Well I hope so...I think Yuuki isn´t the week girl anymore, she made her decision because of something she is sure avout, she knows what to do! She understood the role she has to take to fulfill her goals (you already mentioned it) I wouldn´t like being a chess piece too, but Yuuki isn´t only a chess piece, I think she will act soon

In a broader sense they are all chess pieces, Kaname included they are all playing in the game here that the conditions or Sara has generated with her actions (Sara at least). So its a good think that Yuuki realizes that she has a role to play and that she trusts the person that has assigned her that "role", even though she might prefer to do another action than what is expected from her, but she is getting in the game and I like that she becomes aware of it, far better than plain naivety on her part.

Anelliezz wrote: And why is it suddenly forbidden to grab someones hand????Even if that person has a fiancee.
And I'll say it again. Yuuki can just push him away, but she doesn't. ( She even blushes, *fangirling over this epic moment*)

It’s not forbidden, neither I think was aggressive … we're trying to analyze WHY; Zero acted that way. I can’t think something else rather than he was annoyed from Yuuki’s reply. Now it was jealousy or simply annoyance cuz IMO Yuuki said that will stand next to Kaname; it’s up to interpretations … maybe next chapters will shed more light and we figure out what was the root of Zero’s move.

However Yuuki “pushed” him away in a more subtle way BUT for me it was crystal clear that she didn’t like the whole situation. Not that she find his move aggressive though.

First she’s frown (>> impulsively reaction which in most times is the genuine one) and then smiles. I suppose cuz she didn’t want to heat the situation further>>




BUT she’s looking her grabbed arm leading Zero to release her >>




The body language “spoken”. So really I can’t see from where it stems this EPICNESS for Zeki haha. Not even Zero liked Yuuki’s response there ROFL.

Amaran wrote: True, Yuuki could not respond to Zero's feelings for a myriad of reasons, so I never saw that scene as a scene of rejection.

Why she couldn’t? There are some Zeki fans who support that Zero just before he declares “war” left an open window to her with his question “do you still feel scared?” >> as if Yuuki had replied positive then the situation between the two of them might have a different outcome. Though IMO isn’t the case but if so then Yuuki rejected him again.

Either way even if I accept that she couldn’t answer to his feelings (which I don’t) still nothing should hold her back to admit these feelings (IF were there) to herself. Example how she vividly portrayed her romantic feelings for Kaname saying out loud that she love him more than once and in front of Zero despite the fact that back then she was a human girl and he was a PB … which means any relationship between her and Kaname was super forbidden >> a taboo! She even didn’t believe that Kaname was possible to share the same feeling for her! But that never stopped her for loving him and expressing that love.

My point is that such intensive feelings can’t be hidden from your own self even if you don’t want to express them publicly. But Yuuki never said that she is IN LOVE with Zero not even in her private thoughts …

About the rejection mmm … Zero says that he wants only her blood and she says I want ONLY Kaname’s blood! So if that isn’t a straight forward rejection I don’t know what is it O___o

I always thought of it as her resolve, to stay away from him because it would be better for the both of them; Zero having something to live for, and Yuuki because she will have someone to spend eternity with.

Yes it was her resolution to run away from him NOT because it was what she wanted BUT because since he declared war she had no other choice but to give him a reason to go on living. Obviously she never wanted for them to be enemies (I think the recent chapters also supported that). But neither could respond to his romantic feelings cuz she was IN LOVE with another man and she also couldn’t stay friends with Zero cuz he said that she’ll kill her the next time.

Do you think that the eternity issue was the major factor which made the difference for Yuuki to choose Kaname over Zero??? Yuuki’s choice was made long before she becomes a PB but the different lifespan she had with Kaname never stopped her from loving him.

She is still technically Kaname's fiance and she believes Zero doesn't love her anymore. For anything to be acknowledged in that area, she has to settle things with Kaname first, whatever that may be.

Not only technically … Didn’t she say that she wants to do her job as a PB KURAN? Did you see to waver about HER feelings for Kaname? Cuz for me her response to Zero it was crystal clear that whatever and if he tells her about Kaname she still loves him thus she is glad that he hasn’t forgotten her ^^

Also it might be more proper to settle things first with Kaname before she could advance her relationship with Zero on romance BUT for acknowledge her romantic feelings for Zero no. Neither has to know that Zero still love her … did the fact that Zero knew that she was in love with someone else prevented him from falling for her? No … because you can’t choose whom your heart will love … I think this is what many of Zeki fans in this thread have supported, in which I also agree. Why Yuuki should be an exception even if she thinks that Zero doesn’t love her anymore?

Despite what many fans want to believe about Yuuki IMO she is very honest about her feelings … first to herself and then to others even if that might cause pain … So why she is refusing to acknowledge TO HER SELF at least that she has romantic feelings for Zero I could never understand it.

A chess piece. Not an equal. But something that Kaname can manipulate. So of course Zero is not going to react kindly to that since he cares for her and will act if he senses something wrong.

Yuuki isn’t talking about her romantic relationship with Kaname i.e. the “equal” is irrelevant.

And why is it wrong? And who said that is manipulation? Haha really just because Yuuki’s response was anti-Zeki is wrong? Kaname didn’t put a gun on her temple to make her act according to his plan. Oh wait such move is someone else’s trait lol.

First of all Yuuki said that EVEN IF I’m a piece into his plans then I WILLINGLY play my role in order to advance Kaname’s plan and then step by step that will bring me close to him again. We don’t even know for certain what was the purpose of Kaname’s message either way.
But even if he wanted to lead Yuuki on a certain reaction still that isn’t manipulation since it’s HER FREE CHOICE to play along. Which means that she trust him and despite that everyone is trying to present Kaname as villain (including himself) she knows better. None of the persons who know Kaname and his beliefs have ceased to trust him or have betrayed him hence Yuuki isn’t the only one here that “blindly” trust him. Cuz isn’t blind trust but trust based on deep knowledge of Kaname’s kind heart …

That might be “translated” from some fans that Yuuki is blind and an idiot as someone said but the truth is that Yuuki whenever had an opposition to Kaname’s will she always voiced it but I guess when she’s doing that she is right, but when she is on Kaname’s side is wrong or a puppet. Very convenient lol.

The ones who want to manipulate Zero and Yuuki here are the hunters. And this is manipulation because neither Zero nor Yuuki know their intention. The difference is on lack of knowledge and ofc on lack of willingness thus what makes hunters’ intention a manipulation …

Juliet wrote: In a broader sense they are all chess pieces, Kaname included they are all playing in the game here that the conditions or Sara has generated with her actions (Sara at least). So its a good think that Yuuki realizes that she has a role to play and that she trusts the person that has assigned her that "role", even though she might prefer to do another action than what is expected from her, but she is getting in the game and I like that she becomes aware of it, far better than plain naivety on her part.

Agreed. And IMO Yuuki started to act more as a PB in this chapter. She took the decision to investigate the synthesis of the new tablets … she confronted Sara bravely and she firmly stated in which side she is >> Kaname’s ^^ Very PB-ish if you ask me!

Saffron161 wrote:I've noticed that all Zeki fans have a bad rep

Yeah they haters on zeki even though they say they aren't it's sad really

Amaran wrote:
I was just curious of your opinion since scenes like that can have a wide range of interpretations. To me it looked like Yuuki was about to cry. I don't think she likes the idea of being a chess piece. Her smile looked like she wanted to cover up her pain, and not let Zero worry about her.

if she doesnt want him to worry about her then why mention it to him in the first place? She is guilt tripping him now?
I think Yuki is just being herself she always tell Zero what she thinks, and his reaction to that like nina said is pretty strong which means multiple things but in my opinion its jealousy

@nina

The body language “spoken”. So really I can’t see from where it
stems this EPICNESS for Zeki haha. Not even Zero liked Yuuki’s response
there ROFL.

very true he didn't like her looking at his hand haha it reminds me of the ball incident with Sara and there was emphasis on his hand letting go. I wonder if it means something.

My point is that such intensive feelings can’t be hidden from your own
self even if you don’t want to express them publicly. But Yuuki never
said that she is IN LOVE with Zero not even in her private thoughts …

I agree with that! such intense feelings have no where to hide, thats why Zero was only able to express his hidden love by kissing her.
in yuki's mind even zero's love is a cloud of doubt... in her self she is not even aware if she loves him , its like she doesnt understand if it exists or not..

That might be “translated” from some fans that Yuuki is blind and an
idiot as someone said but the truth is that Yuuki whenever had an
opposition to Kaname’s will she always voiced it but I guess when she’s
doing that she is right, but when she is on Kaname’s side is wrong or a
puppet. Very convenient lol.

I hear most call it "blind faith/trust" and this is on the same lines as trusting Zero and Kaname
For Zero, she never complained whenever he is controlling over her she tolerated his demonstration to his hate towards vampires in her, not once she told him to behave. When Zero told her he wont let her become a vampire, Yuki also didn't tell him to mind his own business. he was able to hug, kiss, bite her and then point his gun to Yuki with NO complaints or bad reaction from her part, she continued to be determined for him. I would call this blind trust. Not once Yuki protested from Zero's actions towards her even if it was rude or controlling.
Same thing with Kaname but he was at least honest with things that he can say and respond to...

zeroyuuki666 wrote:Yeah they haters on zeki even though they say they aren't it's sad really

I really don't appreciate this comment or assumption.

I'll have you know that not all Yumes hate on Zeki. This is a generalized comment, its like me saying all Zeki's hate on Yumes, which i know isn't true. For your information i actually have some very good friends who are zeki, even though i am a Yume.

@Nina: Again loving your post with yuuki loving kaname. She still has alot of faith in him and i am behind her. I loved her comment on she didnt mind being a piece as she could move closer to him and she knows he hasnt forgotten her. Sooo sweet!

To nina:
Zero asked Yuuki if she was rid of all of her worries and fears. He never said that if she said “yes” he was going to leave her and they will become enemies. Yuuki replied in the affirmative because it was the truth. Like you said, Yuuki doesn't want to become enemies with Zero. If there was a way for them to stay together she would probably try it. But, that scene she expressed a lot of helplessness. The way she described it in 68 sums its up nicely: “I can remember a parting in which I had no choice, embracing a reason I could do nothing about.”

So, it is not a true rejection since Yuuki said first that all she could think about was Kaname's blood and then Zero confessed his feelings of only wanting her blood. Yuuki didn't even process the fact that Zero loved her until a while after they parted. And then all she could think about was her being a vampire and that Zero hates vampires. She is not thinking about her own feelings for Zero or for Kaname, only about the circumstances that they are in and the places where they belong.

Yuuki did admit her feelings for Zero in 51, a part of her heart is attached to him. It is romantic otherwise she would not feel obligated to tell Kaname, with the fear that he would reject her. I know that Yuuki had feelings for Kaname long before she knew she was a pureblood but the eternity issue is still a factor (however small it is) in her decision to stay with him since she admits that she is afraid to be alone and so wants someone near her.

She can acknowledge her feelings for Zero and she has but confessing them to him is another story. She has to really think about the consequences of her actions especially since her relationship with Zero is so fragile. I agree that you can't control who you fall in love with. If Yuuki had a choice I bet she would not want to fall in love with Zero because it would complicate things between her relationship with Zero and of course her relationship with Kaname. But she has feelings for both men and eventually she will have to sort out those feelings.

The scene about Yuuki's declaration to Zero can have many interpretations so I wanted to hear someone else's opinion on it. What rubbed me the wrong way was Yuuki referring to herself as a chess piece “in Kaname's hands.” She should be his partner in the decision-making, not someone who will follow (albeit willingingly) in his path despite not knowing his reasons. I can see your point of view in that it is because she believes in him that much. But for me, I think a relationship will work if both parties will discuss with each other their ideas and decisions and work through them together.

The rest, I think that is where we will disagree. But thank you Nina and sweetsolace for telling me your opinion, I really appreciate it.

Oh and also I agree with your thoughts on the hunters. They are thinking about manipulating Zero and Yuuki because of the power and influence they have, and the potential their relationship to each other can bring.

Bloodredhead wrote:

zeroyuuki666 wrote:Yeah they haters on zeki even though they say they aren't it's sad really

I really don't appreciate this comment or assumption.

I'll have you know that not all Yumes hate on Zeki. This is a generalized comment, its like me saying all Zeki's hate on Yumes, which i know isn't true. For your information i actually have some very good friends who are zeki, even though i am a Yume.

I think it´s sad that you believe that I never voted negatively a ZeKi-fan because the person doesn´t share my opinion, I only give a negative rep to people who are against the rules and who are off topic, I love kaname and I love Zero, I prefer YuMe but I hope that Zero finds someone too...One of my best friends is a really big ZeKi-fan, she tells me great things about zero every time we see each other, she knows that I share many thoughts of her and we don´t fight about ZeKi or YuMe...it´s sad that some people can´t accept that no fight between both side is needed or of some use...

nina wrote:

Anelliezz wrote: And why is it suddenly forbidden to grab someones hand????Even if that person has a fiancee.
And I'll say it again. Yuuki can just push him away, but she doesn't. ( She even blushes, *fangirling over this epic moment*)

It’s not forbidden, neither I think was aggressive … we're trying to analyze WHY; Zero acted that way. I can’t think something else rather than he was annoyed from Yuuki’s reply. Now it was jealousy or simply annoyance cuz IMO Yuuki said that will stand next to Kaname; it’s up to interpretations … maybe next chapters will shed more light and we figure out what was the root of Zero’s move.

However Yuuki “pushed” him away in a more subtle way BUT for me it was crystal clear that she didn’t like the whole situation. Not that she find his move aggressive though.

First she’s frown (>> impulsively reaction which in most times is the genuine one) and then smiles. I suppose cuz she didn’t want to heat the situation further>>




BUT she’s looking her grabbed arm leading Zero to release her >>




The body language “spoken”. So really I can’t see from where it stems this EPICNESS for Zeki haha. Not even Zero liked Yuuki’s response there ROFL.

But that is where zeki and yume (mostly) is diffrent. The fans of each fandom interpretate situations differently.
AS this scene apparently tells you that yuuki wants him toback off, it seems to ma as romantic tension.

Let me explain. The first part. I see Yuuki's expression as surprise. (but ofcourse facial expressions are up to interpreetaion) Suprise zero made a move on his own, since he still tried to keep a distance (ven when he was helping her). So this is progress. Yuuki seems surprised. (And blushes to his sudden closeness???)

Again still surprised, she looks at her arm. He is touching her. This this reminds me to the parts where he said 'don't touch me' (when she had touched kaname, and after she'd become a vampire , at the ball). So now he is touching her, even though she's a vampire. I also interptretate this as progress.

Zero on the other hand is still lingering somewhere in between between acceptance and not-acceptance. He doesn't want to show his emotions as seen in previous chapters. So this is a sudden outburst (if this is actuelly a correct english word), he realized it only when she looked at their arm and backed of himself. Als what he wanted to say, doesn't neccesarily be negative, wich makes me suspect (again) that he doesnt want to show his emotions, and silences himself before he can speak any further.



Ofcourse, neither of our opinions are prooven, but I agree that the mange will probably say sth about this later.

But again, these are all interpretations

Edit : I know you don't see it as agressive, but it seems like some people do. I was responding to that

juliet wrote:


Once you do so, I shall also remove these messages, since apparently there won't be any reason to exist here, LOL.

It's been edited. I understand completely,I don't want to cause her trouble since I like her posts

Amaran wrote: To nina:
Zero asked Yuuki if she was rid of all of her worries and fears. He never said that if she said “yes” he was going to leave her and they will become enemies.

Sorry but I’m a bit confused … maybe you didn’t understand my point or I don’t get your point here haha. Let me just rephrase …

Some fans (not me) have supported that Zero’s question about Yuuki’s fears was one last attempt from his part to approach her and IF Yuuki had respond differently perhaps their relationship would have been different. It’s not my belief cuz I think that Zero had no such intention/hope … For me all his moves and words were his goodbye to her.

But IF this was his intention (to give Yuuki an opportunity to say that she still needed him by her side) obviously it didn’t work cuz she said that she was all right. In that case was a rejection …

Yuuki replied in the affirmative because it was the truth. Like you said, Yuuki doesn't want to become enemies with Zero. If there was a way for them to stay together she would probably try it. But, that scene she expressed a lot of helplessness. The way she described it in 68 sums its up nicely: “I can remember a parting in which I had no choice, embracing a reason I could do nothing about.”

I agree. Yuuki had no choice to maintain their friendship cuz what pained Yuuki mostly was that she couldn’t have him into her life like before because of his declaration of war.
Yuuki: “I don’t want to be your enemy … was this the only way?” >> so clearly she is referring to the enemies status >> that wasn’t her choice but Zero’s.

So, it is not a true rejection since Yuuki said first that all she could think about was Kaname's blood and then Zero confessed his feelings of only wanting her blood.

I think that who said it first has no meaning. The point is that both of them used the same way to express feelings there. Since Zero was confessing his love for her by saying “I wanted only your blood” right after Yuuki had said that she wants only Kaname’s blood is clear that she had rejected his feelings, or if you like Zero felt rejected … the key word is the “only” so who said it first it doesn’t change anything. Zero was in love with her and she was in love with someone else >> rejection.

Yuuki didn't even process the fact that Zero loved her until a while after they parted. And then all she could think about was her being a vampire and that Zero hates vampires. She is not thinking about her own feelings for Zero or for Kaname, only about the circumstances that they are in and the places where they belong.

Ok Yuuki is a bit slow haha … we all know that. But I can’t believe that when Zero said that he craves only for her blood and kissed her she didn’t realize that this was a confession lol. The problem here is, as I said above, that Yuuki’s main concern was that they became enemies plus Zero’s condition (level-e thing). What processes later when she’s crying alone is that Zero had all along these feelings >> “always he was?” >> and she thinks his attempt to kiss her before.

But either way, even if she realized it a few minutes later couldn’t she turn back and answer to Zero’s confession if she wanted?

You are talking about “circumstances” … MY POV is that all of these are plain excuses because as I said in my previous post the same circumstances applied for Yuuki and Kaname when she was a human and he a PB and even worse if you ask me, cuz for a human girl to love a PB was a taboo >> in order to be together Yuuki should be turned into a vampire. Neither the different lifespan was a factor to change her feelings for him. Yuuki became Kaname’s lover while being human.

So all I’m saying is why the circumstances/obstacles are apply ONLY for Zeki? Moreover since as we saw the society (hunters and vampires) do not consider their bond as a taboo. Why they let “circumstances” define their love? Why Yuuki didn’t let the “circumstances” define her love for the PB Kaname?

My opinion is that all these excuses/arguments about circumstances which prevent Zeki love from blooming reinforce more Yume cuz it shown that where true love exists always blooms no matter what the circumstances are ^^.

Yuuki did admit her feelings for Zero in 51, a part of her heart is attached to him. It is romantic otherwise she would not feel obligated to tell Kaname, with the fear that he would reject her.

I was 100% sure that this would be your answer as a proof about Yuuki’s “romantic” feelings for Zero. In my opinion this is the very proof of how weak and poor are the hints about Zeki love.
If I want I can bring plenty of crystal clear proofs for Yume love and are so many that I have to search the whole story to gather them. On the other hand I keep receiving the same answer from Zekis over and over again about an old ambiguous scene which can be explained with more than one ways. But I’m not going there cuz I have the answer from Yuuki’s mouth >>

- About the one part of her heart >> “selfish and terrible things” (chapter 73)
- “I had used my fangs to bite a person whom I had NEVER intended to WISH FOR HIS BLOOD.” (chapter 74.)

So if her wording about her attachment to Zero had the meaning that she wanted his blood also because she thought about him romantically then why she said recently that she NEVER intended to WISH for his blood? Shouldn’t she know that she was yearning for his blood all this time? Hence my interpretation is that Yuuki never craved for his blood as a lover.

And in the last chapter … Rido’s words “a flower that blooms ONLY for YOU” is a clue about how Kaname thinks for Yuuki’s feelings for him despite the whole attachment thing.

I know that Yuuki had feelings for Kaname long before she knew she was a pureblood but the eternity issue is still a factor (however small it is) in her decision to stay with him since she admits that she is afraid to be alone and so wants someone near her.

Yes Yuuki doesn’t want to spend the eternity alone. This is a fear that almost all the PBs have cuz of their immortality.
But for me this is a whole different issue than a factor that she chose Kaname for this. She said yes to his question if she wants to turn her into a vampire in order to live by his side. In fact she was yearning to hear these words. I think we all know what that would have meant for Zero … Even if she didn’t know about his feelings she knew that with her affirmative answer she has chosen Kaname over her relationship with Zero …

So her choice was always Kaname regardless the circumstances and the obstacles. That’s why I don’t accept the lifespan as a factor and that’s why I dismiss all the excuses why Zeki didn’t confirmed yet as romantic couple. There were plenty of ways for us to know for CERTAIN that Yuuki harbors romantic feelings for Zero too but since isn’t the case, at least thus far, for me this signifies something.

The scene about Yuuki's declaration to Zero can have many interpretations so I wanted to hear someone else's opinion on it.

Mmm … I think Zero’s reaction has narrowed the amount of interpretations and IMO Yuuki’s wording hasn’t left any space at least about where she still stands.
I’m not saying though that she is happy from Kaname’s message cuz apparently was upsetting. Except if she knows or understands something that we don’t know yet. But not because she consider herself as a piece but because Kaname with his actions and words has put himself in a very bad position. As she told to Takuma >> “what’s pissing me off and annoying me is that he seems like he won’t care even if he is suspected by the whole world.” >> and Kaname just confirmed that.
The point though is her choice to be his ally … ^^

What rubbed me the wrong way was Yuuki referring to herself as a chess piece “in Kaname's hands.” She should be his partner in the decision-making, not someone who will follow (albeit willingingly) in his path despite not knowing his reasons. I can see your point of view in that it is because she believes in him that much. But for me, I think a relationship will work if both parties will discuss with each other their ideas and decisions and work through them together.

That’s why I said that we don’t even know which was the purpose of Kaname’s message and I mean his intention. We only have a clue of how Yuuki perceived it. If you ask me Kaname wants Yuuki away from his plans thus he was glad that Kaien had her into the academy. Kaname’s first priority is Yuuki’s safety. But ofc she is a piece into the wide chessboard not Kaname’s because many things that currently happening revolves around her existence …

Thus far all the secrets he kept from her were because he couldn’t reveal them at least not before the right time such as he couldn’t tell her about her past. I think he has a good reason currently for what he is doing keeping Yuuki away, something that tearing him apart though as it’s hinted from his nightmare. He is protective over Yuuki maybe overprotective but the same applied for Zero too at least in the past.

So I think is unfair for Kaname to be accused that he considers Yuuki as a piece/pawn who is unworthy to discuss with her his plans. At least not before we know why he is doing all that and from what he is trying to protect her.

I thought it was clear by now that Kaname set her free to make her own decisions. Don’t blame Kaname if Yuuki’s decision despite everything is still the same … to stand to his side …
It was Yuuki’s choice to be his equal … Kaname never said that she isn’t enough for him. It was her inferiority complex due to her past as a human not Kaname’s stance that made her feel this way. So maybe now it’s her chance to prove to him that she’s not so fragile and to prove to herself that she is his equal the way SHE wanted to. XD

Oh and also I agree with your thoughts on the hunters. They are thinking about manipulating Zero and Yuuki because of the power and influence they have, and the potential their relationship to each other can bring.

Mmm … I think from the available translation the hunters do not want to use the potential Zeki relationship for what it can bring (i.e. as a sign of coexistence for example … if you meant something like that) but to efforce Yuuki to fight with her artemis by their side using maybe Zero … and we know that their intentions/plans are not so pure or pro-coexistence so in my opinion this isn’t something good for Zeki’s potentiality but bad …

PS. I think we have gone off topic again and wasn’t my intention to discuss here Yume relationship but somehow every time the conversation goes there. If you want to continue this maybe it would be better to do it in a more proper thread. Thank you too for the civilized exchange of views. XD.

Anelliez wrote: But that is where zeki and yume (mostly) is diffrent. The fans of each fandom interpretate situations differently.
AS this scene apparently tells you that yuuki wants him toback off, it seems to ma as romantic tension.

For me that’s quite sad cuz apparently we can’t agree not even to obvious scenes.

But from what I see you haven’t explained WHAT; was the reason that cause Zero’s move … He was happy about Yuuki’s response? He received it as a hint that she loves him thus and the “romantic tension”??? Did Yuuki perceived Zero’s words as a hint for his love? What???

Ofc everyone entitles to its OWN opinion but really I can’t see from where it stems your interpretation and let aside Yuuki’s facial expressions … Could you support your opinion based on Yuuki’s and Zero’s wording? Maybe I’ll be able to understand your view …

Nina wrote:

Anelliez wrote: But that is where zeki and yume (mostly) is diffrent. The fans of each fandom interpretate situations differently.
AS this scene apparently tells you that yuuki wants him toback off, it seems to ma as romantic tension.

For me that’s quite sad cuz apparently we can’t agree not even to obvious scenes.

But from what I see you haven’t explained WHAT; was the reason that cause Zero’s move … He was happy about Yuuki’s response? He received it as a hint that she loves him thus and the “romantic tension”??? Did Yuuki perceived Zero’s words as a hint for his love? What???

Ofc everyone entitles to its OWN opinion but really I can’t see from where it stems your interpretation and let aside Yuuki’s facial expressions … Could you support your opinion based on Yuuki’s and Zero’s wording? Maybe I’ll be able to understand your view …

Okey sure, I'm always willing to explain my views.
About his intention, I'm considering this move as an almost unvoluntary reaction. He seems to doubt between acceptance or not, but here his first reaction is acceptance. (as I mentioned, supported by the touching)I don't consider it as a completely deliberate move (well he choose it, but before thinking much), so I also don't see an intention as ex.hitting on her, convincing her,.... What I see here is his (subconcious) will to still be in touch with her (like talking to her and such). Even though he's still avoiding it. (all this ofcourse comes from the vieuw that he still loves her.)

About what he wanted to say. I don't know what he wanted to say (although I'm sure we will hear it in next chapters)(Maybe to be carefull with her plans persuing Kaname) But leaving from his personality and the situation now, I guess his first reaction was say something (good), but it showed to much of his emotions, so he backed off.

I don't see the situation as a reaction of love, or that she'll interptret it as a confession of love. Not at all. Just the sudden unexpected moment that to me evoked 'tension'. I think I should compare this to another similar situation, from an other series or sth, but can't think of one right now( maybe you watch vampire diaries? it's the easiest to compare, but it's kinda hard to do if you don't watch it)

Since there is no official scanlation yet+ they don't really say much that moment, I'm not leaving from wordings. I'm leaving from their situation an characters. ( As for proof off pages, I could show in latest chapters that it had always been yuuki wanting to move closer, but I guess you've noticed , and I already mentioned the 'don't touch me'part.


I hope it makes more sense now? Usually when I start making clear and short arguments, I end up adding way to much and...well sometimes the real arguments are harder to find then , hope I didn't do it now

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- I see it as a good thing, because here we see Zero's first reaction is moving Closer (where it was the opposite in previous chapters)
- The romantic part, I don't see it coming from what he or she is doing but just the moment itself
- For Yuuki, well facial expression aren't the most throwtworthy things, but she seemed to blush. That's supposed to be a good sign to sudden closeness.

And BTW: Maybe it is sad, but the scene is as clear to me as it is to you