Who is best for Yuuki? Kaname or Zero?

zeroyuuki666 wrote:

I think he still loves her and its his frist instinct to prtect her and Kaname is somewhat evil i just think zero would be better because he needs her and she needs him even though she doesn't want to admit it she makes me mad sometimes.

zeroyuuki666 wrote:Well i would have pointed the gun at her to just so she would knoe that i mean business and not to mess with me i think thats what he was trying to get across to her and he didn't hate her when he thought she was human he loved maybe he can get past the fact that she is a pb and not hate her nature cause i really see that he is just confused i would be.

Divine Rose wrote:

zeroyuuki666 wrote:

I think he still loves her and its his frist instinct to prtect her and Kaname is somewhat evil i just think zero would be better because he needs her and she needs him even though she doesn't want to admit it she makes me mad sometimes.

Yeah, and Yuuki also needs Kaname and Kaname protects her and from what I see in the manga a lot more on both. Just because Zero needs her does not mean he's better for her. If that were to be the only reason Yuuki were to end up with Zero is because he needs her, then I definitely will lose all respect for Yuuki's character.

And also Kaname is somewhat evil? Well, he said he was, but I believe he is working for the greater good. But anyways, so is Zero somewhat evil. He points a gun at defenseless girls. He couldn't even detect Maria because she had NO evil intentions and he still pointed a gun at her. Whether or not he shoots, that is still threatening and dangerous. And he wants to kill all PBs just because they exist. Not an entirely a good person. I admit he's good, but not entirely, like a lot of Hino's characters.

Also, to me, the one who is best for Yuuki is the one who doesn't hate her nature. Yes, she can reach out a hand and be a friend to him, but to be involved romantically with someone who hates her nature? That's just stupid to me. So Zero is definitely not the best for Yuuki. Especially not now.

Conrad Weller wrote:

great post divine rose. you are right you know what whether zero loves yuuki or not i dont care. he has just confused his feelings of being protective with love. he knows very well yuuki loved kaname and kaname loves yuuki he had no right to come in between them and thats what i hate.

all we know is that he cares for yuuki, and this is no reason yuuki should end up with him. what is pairing on basis whose life is more pitiable. sorry then many lives are pitiable zero, kaname, shiki[rido for a father], takuma tortured by sara.

the fact is yuuki loves kaname and kaname loves yuuki only. they care for each other and are meant to be together. all that talks of him telling her to wear dresses and keeping long hair whats wrong with that. should he free her like freak do whatever she wants.

yes divine i agree i would hate yuuki's character if she did what you mentioned. yuuki and kaname are best for each other. he loves her so much and cares for her.their parents, kaname all wanted yuuki to be free as well. so please dont say he wants to bind her or something.

kaname evil?
well i doubt a person evil would live alone for 10 years without his beloved yuuki by his side, would want to kill himself to save the humans[ kaname's past], take blood from injections in small amount. yeah for that definition of evil had to be changed.

as for him killing headsof pureblood families he saya i cant leave you all as you are now, we know something wrong is going on. he has an extremely good reason for that. he would never hurt anyone.

zero if he really was shocked he should have said please yuuki leave me alone not point his gun at her.

Nina:

Caela: This chapter 74 bite is not just about a hunger for only blood and not the man, especially since Yuuki is showing physical interest in Zero just before biting Zero.

Haha … then she probably Yuuki saw Yori as a man too cuz not only she looked at her but also she pinned her on the ground and moreover she was on top of her …

Juliet, you pointed out, in a different thread, a chapter 51 page showing Yuuki struggling within herself between drinking all of Kaname's blood and not doing that. You gave that page as an example of a different kind of love from thirst-quenching love. I never responded. I actually see that page as an example of Yuuki having a Rido-like obesession with Kaname: lust, not love. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Then Zero has a Rido-like obsession with Yuuki cuz he expressed the same wish!
So according to this logic Zero should be quenched only with just a bit of her blood but he wasn’t … on the contrary he said >>>

“I only desired your blood Yuuki … I want it so much that is unbearable to the point that unless I drank from you UNTIL THE VERY LIMITS OF YOUR LIFE I WOULDN’T BE SATISFIED”
So who is expressing LOVE/PASSION … Yuuki who will be fine with just a bit of blood from a person she NEVER INTENDED to wish from OR Zero who wants to devour her life in order to be satisfied huh???

Make your choice …

caela wrote: Its more complex for me, both Rido and Zero are suffering from unrequited love/incomplete love = uncontrollable hunger for loved one's blood. I am also a bit biased against Rido: he gives me creepy pervert vibes so my first instinct is to treat any of his feelings as lust: my bad Rido, you deserve a bit better.

My impression is that Kaname fully loves Yuuki and Yuuki has a partial love towards Kaname: hence the incomplete love (chapter 49,51) There is a reason why there are alot more Kaname and Zero fan clubs vs Yuuki fan clubs.

nina wrote:

caela wrote: Its more complex for me, both Rido and Zero are suffering from unrequited love/incomplete love = uncontrollable hunger for loved one's blood. I am also a bit biased against Rido: he gives me creepy pervert vibes so my first instinct is to treat any of his feelings as lust: my bad Rido, you deserve a bit better.

My impression is that Kaname fully loves Yuuki and Yuuki has a partial love towards Kaname: hence the incomplete love (chapter 49,51) There is a reason why there are alot more Kaname and Zero fan clubs vs Yuuki fan clubs.

Ok so you’re ascribing this enormous desire to devour on incomplete love and you put Yuuki on the same category.

1. EVEN IF Yuuki has a split heart which is based ONLY on interpretations (never stated as a FACT in the manga) it’s not the same case as Rido and Zero cuz Yuuki expressed that desire ONLY for Kaname not for Zero … for Zero said that a bit of his blood would be enough.
Therefore according to your logic she should have expressed (at least in her thoughts) the same desire since her heart is split. But she didn’t. Except if you believe that she doesn’t have a split heart but deep inside she loves completely romantically ONLY Zero thus and she needed only a bit of his blood to quenched her thirst/desire.

If that’s the case then >>>

2. How can you explain that also Kaname has expressed the same enormous desire for Yuuki? As you said Kaname FULLY loves Yuuki ergo he should be very pleased/quenched with just a bit of her blood, BUT he said >>>

“If I forgot my restraint and allowed myself to lose control to the hunger I might do terrible things to you Yuuki … it terrifies me to not know what could happen when I’m like that”
http://www.mangareader.net/104-2177-20/vampire-knight/chapter-49.html

>>> in other words Kaname was afraid that he couldn’t stop himself, so WHY he couldn’t be satisfied with just a bit of her blood?
Can you see the contradiction to your own theory here?

I think is obvious that the “theory” that a vampire needs only a bit blood of the one she/he truly and completely loves to be quenched is totally WRONG and baseless. In fact the story shows the exact opposite!

This enormous desire signifies too much love/passion/lust with a sexual innuendo. Cuz as Juliet has mentioned previously … is ever enough the love, the kisses from your beloved one??? Can you say to your lover that only a drop of your love or only a kiss is enough? Apparently no … So isn’t so abnormal such a desire after all …

I suggest to drop this argument cuz the only thing that it shows is the desperate need to prove that Yuuki loves Zero by trying to twist the FACTS in your favor…
And I’m not referring only to you here cuz this “rationale” has been supported from other Zekis as well … but really is a laughable reasoning … till Yuuki expresses the wording “a bit of your blood will be enough” this argument never have been brought up before >>> coincidence???

And since you insisting to demonstrate again and again the chapters 49/51 I want just to remind you that since then we have developments … look the newest Yuuki’s thoughts which IMO have already resolved the old “interpretations” or wishful thinking … XD

ZeroLover wrote:

TheChrysalisWhispers wrote:

ZeroLover wrote:

Simple, ITS ZERO, naturally. Who can compare to that silver haired god like bishounen... Its not a question, its an answer.

Actually, its even more simple than that. The best man/ vampire for Yuki is Kaname.
He is amazing, charming, gentle, caring, strong, loving, courageous...
He is the best choice for a somewhat careless girl like her.
END OF TOPIC!
Just kidding!~

GAWD, do you hear yourself? You are completely obsessed over Kaname.
Well, i am also obsessed over Zero, but that's not the point.
We have our different opinions and i respect your opinion...
not really.

Now, now lets hug.



Kaname 4 ever

caela wrote:
Its more complex for me, both Rido and Zero are suffering from unrequited love/incomplete love = uncontrollable hunger for loved one's blood. I am also a bit biased against Rido: he gives me creepy pervert vibes so my first instinct is to treat any of his feelings as lust: my bad Rido, you deserve a bit better.

My impression is that Kaname fully loves Yuuki and Yuuki has a partial love towards Kaname: hence the incomplete love (chapter 49,51) There is a reason why there are alot more Kaname and Zero fan clubs vs Yuuki fan clubs.

Ok so you’re ascribing this enormous desire to devour on incomplete love and you put Yuuki on the same category.

1. EVEN IF Yuuki has a split heart which is based ONLY on interpretations (never stated as a FACT in the manga) it’s not the same case as Rido and Zero cuz Yuuki expressed that desire ONLY for Kaname not for Zero … for Zero said that a bit of his blood would be enough.
Therefore according to your logic she should have expressed (at least in her thoughts) the same desire since her heart is split. But she didn’t. Except if you believe that she doesn’t have a split heart but deep inside she loves completely romantically ONLY Zero thus and she needed only a bit of his blood to quenched her thirst/desire.

If that’s the case then >>>

2. How can you explain that also Kaname has expressed the same enormous desire for Yuuki? As you said Kaname FULLY loves Yuuki ergo he should be very pleased/quenched with just a bit of her blood, BUT he said >>>

“If I forgot my restraint and allowed myself to lose control to the hunger I might do terrible things to you Yuuki … it terrifies me to not know what could happen when I’m like that”
http://www.mangareader.net/104-2177-20/vampire-knight/chapter-49.html

>>> in other words Kaname was afraid that he couldn’t stop himself, so WHY he couldn’t be satisfied with just a bit of her blood?
Can you see the contradiction to your own theory here?

I think is obvious that the “theory” that a vampire needs only a bit blood of the one she/he truly and completely loves to be quenched is totally WRONG and baseless. In fact the story shows the exact opposite!

This enormous desire signifies too much love/passion/lust with a sexual innuendo. Cuz as Juliet has mentioned previously … is ever enough the love, the kisses from your beloved one??? Can you say to your lover that only a drop of your love or only a kiss is enough? Apparently no … So isn’t so abnormal such a desire after all …

I suggest to drop this argument cuz the only thing that it shows is the desperate need to prove that Yuuki loves Zero by trying to twist the FACTS in your favor…
And I’m not referring only to you here cuz this “rationale” has been supported from other Zekis as well … but really is a laughable reasoning … till Yuuki expresses the wording “a bit of your blood will be enough” this argument never have been brought up before >>> coincidence???

And since you insisting to demonstrate again and again the chapters 49/51 I want just to remind you that since then we have developments … look the newest Yuuki’s thoughts which IMO have already resolved the old “interpretations” or wishful thinking … XD

caela wrote: Let me say that there is no way that Zero is looking like the good guy in chapter 75. I'm a biased Zeki here and for now I plead the insanity defense. I'm trying to argue his case anyway:) Zero will change for the better and I can defend him seriously then.
Nina:
Caela: This chapter 74 bite is not just about a hunger for only blood and not the man, especially since Yuuki is showing physical interest in Zero just before biting Zero.

Haha … then she probably Yuuki saw Yori as a man too cuz not only she looked at her but also she pinned her on the ground and moreover she was on top of her …

Great point. I got no real argument but the meta argument (yeah, I know. It is a weak argument): fan service from Hino-san. (I see the Yori scene as Yuri fan service, gotta feed the lesbian action fans something too. The pretty boy:pretty girl ratio is really high in VK.)
Juliet, you pointed out, in a different thread, a chapter 51 page showing Yuuki struggling within herself between drinking all of Kaname's blood and not doing that. You gave that page as an example of a different kind of love from thirst-quenching love. I never responded. I actually see that page as an example of Yuuki having a Rido-like obesession with Kaname: lust, not love. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Then Zero has a Rido-like obsession with Yuuki cuz he expressed the same wish!
So according to this logic Zero should be quenched only with just a bit of her blood but he wasn’t … on the contrary he said >>>

“I only desired your blood Yuuki … I want it so much that is unbearable to the point that unless I drank from you UNTIL THE VERY LIMITS OF YOUR LIFE I WOULDN’T BE SATISFIED”
So who is expressing LOVE/PASSION … Yuuki who will be fine with just a bit of blood from a person she NEVER INTENDED to wish from OR Zero who wants to devour her life in order to be satisfied huh???

Make your choice …

Its more complex for me, both Rido and Zero are suffering from unrequited love/incomplete love = uncontrollable hunger for loved one's blood. I am also a bit biased against Rido: he gives me creepy pervert vibes so my first instinct is to treat any of his feelings as lust: my bad Rido, you deserve a bit better.

My impression is that Kaname fully loves Yuuki and Yuuki has a partial love towards Kaname: hence the incomplete love (chapter 49,51) There is a reason why there are alot more Kaname and Zero fan clubs vs Yuuki fan clubs.

I like Zero's sentiment here because he is finally sounding like a vampire-in-love and not a human-in-love. ::patting him on back and running quickly away::

caela wrote: You do realize I wrote it as a side note directly to someone else, right?

And the post of mine that you are quoting is an apology to her, or actually to Rido (I'm weird, apologizing to characters, ughh). The original post was NOT about Yuuki's current feelings.

I'm well aware that Yuuki's feelings can't be based on chapters 49 and 51.

caela wrote:I'm actually really sorry, Nina.
Good Night.

juliet wrote:Why do we always have to complicate our lives, she made a choice, would she even stand being with a guy she partially loves or does not love while her heart belonged to another? Here I see her far too "hungry" for Kaname...she thinks she is not enough for him but the reality is that to tame her hunger he is not enough for her...

aiko wrote:Kaname is best for Yuuki. He loves her completely, whether she is human or vampire. They should be together forever. I want a wedding chapter with all the gorgeous details.

ZeroLover wrote:

juliet wrote:Who best fit Yuuki? Who is made for her? Zero Or Kaname?

Simple, ITS ZERO, naturally. Who can compare to that silver haired god like bishounen... Its not a question, its an answer.

minimalve wrote:Yuuki needs guidance, not a baby like zero...

Anneliezz wrote:

minimalve wrote:Yuuki needs guidance, not a baby like zero...

You don't need to go insulting characters to make your point...