Kaname's Kuran plan of action is heading where?

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I wanted to say that reading the VK fanbook it seems that the Kurans had always a predisposition towards co-existence among the races. This 'attitude" along with their anti-vampire ability always brought them in the center of the events and in opposition with other vampires (example the council and the Ichio fanction).

I believe that Kaname's plan focuses on this old time theme that we had seen during the first arc. I think a peaceful co-existence seems to be his final purpose.

During his first time on earth we see that he had fall into a slumber and when he goes to finish the council he says that he "had hesitated the first time" and that after his long slumber nothing has changed in the attitude of the vampires.

There he expresses his dissapointment about the current vampire society (with the council that seems to exploit both humans and vampires for its egocentric plans of ruling the word as it wishes) and destroys the council on that base.

We know that kaname's grandfather had established the council after bringing down the monarchy because he did not wish for only one pureblood to run the power but wished all parties to be involved. Yet the council monopolized and abused that power-Ichio in particular- turning it again into a deaf authority.

So Kaname after his slumber founds out that this system-the council had failed and destroys it.

Now after taking back the power that belonged to his family in the old times like a vampire leader or representative of the vampires, sets out again to bring his old plan into life. Which is what?

I believe it's the reason he fought along with the ancestor in the first place; to stop the ones that ruthelessy take advantage of their power and to insert a new foundation for the vampire society.

First I see him stopping Sarah, then leaving the space open for the youngers and the more innoncent ones (as the night-class who shares his ideals and does not act out of respect and fear as the bees he describes but as friends).

I think that his motivation in this life is Yuuki, he needs her to be safe as she is the last descedant of the Kurans that has the anti-vampire power (and can rule) and more over she is a bright representative of the Kurans good intentions and wishes (like Yuuri) about co-existence.

I think that Hino centers more and more the script around this idea. She has even stated that Kaname, Zero, Yuuki, all three are key for the co-existence to be achieved.

What do you believe about Kaname's actions as seen now and his overall purpose?

KANAME KURAN PLANS

Hi! I created a research analysis of what is the real plan of Kaname. Well, I will base my analysis through chapter to chapter. Maybe somebody will disagree and somebody will agree but I'm open to all the possibilities. I will let you think about it. ALL MY EVIDENCE IS ALL FACTS FROM THE BOOK.


HOPE YOU ALL READ MY EVIDENCES AND MY ANALYSIS BELOW!!!

VK Chapter 64: page1: Kaname: This is about the distant past. I was doing a certain kind of experiment... page 2: K aname: on Our Abnormal Ability to resurrect ourselves, and how to stop it.
Narrator: "Like the bottom of the sea--- another experiment by the name of Kaname."

Kaname: the core of the experiment was a part of my own body.
Hooded Woman: There is no need for that kind of experiment, what does it do for us?
Kaname: For MANKIND?
page3 Kaname: AFTER NUMEROUS EXPERIMENTS, I HAD FINALLY FOUND ONE POSSIBILITY PERHAPS THE ONLY THING CAN KILL US IS OURSELVES[/i] page 4 " a specific part of the flesh and blood of our body can alter the metallic soup"


Kaname: page 6 "I didn't wish for that woman's sacrifice in the least. THAT WAS WHAT I HAD INTENDED TO DO MYSELF."

VK Chapter 67 page 39:Kaname Kuran said to Yuuki Kuran: I'm done Hesitating..... I made my choice only once to stay with you however,"I'am going to fulfill my Original Plans." I'm SORRY Thank you, Yuuki....

So, What is Kaname Kuran Original Plans

VK Chapter 74 page 30:

Kaname said to Kaien Cross: Chairman..... No, you're here as the chairman of the association.
Kaien Cross said to Kaname: and also as Yuuki's adoptive father I've come to tell you that I will never return Yuuki to you.
Kaname: and you has also started to rely on her own will in order to carry on living.... Chairman

Chapter 74 page 31:
Kaname: I can no longer chain her to me that's why for you to snatch yuuki from my side, I'm really thankfull and that is bec. If I want to eliminate all the purebloods, YUUKI WILL JUST BECOME A OBSTACLE."

Chapter 74 page 32:
Kaname said to Kaien Cross: YES..... If you want to prevent me from doing this then I crush everyone even if it's you."

Chapter 75 page9:
Kaien Cross: Kaname-Kun my expectations I wanted them to be off. WHY?! WHY are you trying to annihilate all the purebloods.

Chapter75 page 10:
Kaname: the question you ask is very strange.... you, who made deals w/ vampires for such a long time should be the one to understand the most but.......

Kaien Cross: I, Kaname, thought you had decided page 11 yuuki the path which both of you walked together....

page 11 FLASH BACK FROM THE PAST (CONVERSATION BETWEEN KURAN, KANAME AND KAIEN CROSS)
Kaien Cross: One Day... you will finally confess what responsibility you have been shouldering,


Kaname: To me when yuuki, grows up it is certain that she cannot keep her "HUMAN STATUS". When that time comes I think this time... It will be my turn to change Yuuki back into human....

Chapter 75 page 12:
Kaien Cross: The PLANS you made that time never happened to tell you the truth, I'm relieved bec. they did not expect that Juri-Sama would end up like that but after changing the plan is this the plan you choose....??? Yuuki still believes in you somewhere in her heart.

Chapter 75 page 13: Kaname: it really suit yuuki's style... please tell yuuki that being said, she will still wake up from the illusion and realize what is really goin on. tell her I killed Ouri-san and next would be sara shirabuki.


ANALYSIS:

Based on VK Chapter 63 and Chapter 64 Through a series of Kaname's experiment Kaname discovers that the only thing which can kill purebloods is the flesh and blood of other purebloods and can alter the metallic soap. [i]Orginally Kaname intends to sacrifice himself to create anti-vampire weapons to help the humans. The human are suffering from the doing of the purebloods vampires bec. in just an instant they can create there army that make pure blood stronger.

Well, As Kaname said to Yuuki that he will fulfill his original plan. Kaname's original plan sacrifice himself, but bec. he love Yuuki he will kill first all the pureblood base on VK Chapter 74 pages 31, 32 and sacrifice his life for yuuki to be human again like what Juri-sama did (her mom). only purebloods can turn vampire back or make them in human. Based in the evidence above, If yuuki will stop Kaname to kill the purebloods (like yume fanclub wish). I think it's to late for that bec. Kaname already started the fight against the purebloods and other noble vampire. If ever that's will happens, the purebloods will definitely attack Kaname or Yuuki. So Kaname won't allow that to happen, so he will finish what he started. If yuuki will be a human again and the purebloods are gone (the roots of all evil) I think it going to be much better bec. purebloods who has the only power and capability to create an army in just an instant which means they can be more powerful. FROM THE PERIOD TIME this is what the hooded woman and kaname don't to happen THEY ARE SLAVING HUMAN TO BE PART OF THERE ARMY... THE PROBLEMS OF THE HUMAN. So, I think it time to have a new era of leadership and stop the pureblood vampires the rule the human and the world.


My analysis is base on facts from the book of Vampire Knights.

I admire Kaname somehow by thinking of that but however, not all pureblood vampires are evil/bad like yuuki's parents so it is unfair to kill all the purebloods. Maybe they're still newborn, toddler pureblood who are still innocent and still don't know what's goin on. I can compare kaname to Anakin Skywalker that he killed all the Jedi Knight even the young Jedi. Back on the topic, No matter what Yuuki do to stop him he cannot' allow yuuki to interfere his plan bec. he want Yuuki is 100% safe from the pureblood who want to attack her or steal herlife and he want to accomplish what he left in the past.

it's not just possibilities but it is also facts.

through researching i think i already have my answer.

P.S. hope you all understand my grammar. sorry if there are wrong.

There's already a topic like this here
https://vampireknight.all-up.com/t429-kaname-s-kuran-plan-of-action-is-heading-where

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Well, As Kaname said to Yuuki that he will fulfill his original plan. Kaname's original plan sacrifice himself, but bec. he love Yuuki he will kill first all the pureblood base on VK Chapter 74 pages 31, 32 and sacrifice his life for yuuki to be human again like what Juri-sama did (her mom)

Kaname's original plan is unknown. His main purpose is to protect Yuki. His first option to do that is to sacrifice his life to turn her back to human when the human spell is exhausted.
http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/75/11

The spell, as we witnessed, was broken when Rido invaded the academy. And there was NO SACRIFICE. Instead, Kaname turned her back to pureblood himself. See chapter 35.

Kaien voices his relief that he didn't do it and he had a CHANGE OF PLANS:
http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/75/12

Kaname says, "My main purpose remains the same, only the path has changed."
in other words, he's saying his main purpose to protect Yuki still the same, only this time the way to achieving it is different.
http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/75/26

*the translation as uploaded in different sites is flawed in several areas , but my quotation should be more accurate. The links only serve as visual reference

If yuuki will stop Kaname to kill the purebloods (like yume fanclub wish). I think it's to late for that bec. Kaname already started the fight against the purebloods and other noble vampire.

why is it too late to stop him?
And who said its a fight when Kaname's the one on the offensive and the rest are cowering from him?

If yuuki will be a human again and the purebloods are gone (the roots of all evil) I think it going to be much better bec. purebloods who has the only power and capability to create an army in just an instant which means they can be more powerful.

Again, Yuki being human theory is a pretty desperate leap to make Zero and Yuki end together and it doesn't make much sense.
1. the vampires already know her existence. Turning her back will not serve the purpose to protect her identity as once pureblood.
2. There's a possibility Yuki will break the human spell again like she did before.
3. her life is more vulnerable as a human than as a pureblood.

FROM THE PERIOD TIME this is what the hooded woman and kaname don't to happen THEY ARE SLAVING HUMAN TO BE PART OF THERE ARMY... THE PROBLEMS OF THE HUMAN. So, I think it time to have a new era of leadership and stop the pureblood vampires the rule the human and the world.

this is what will happen if no one stops Sara. SHE WILL MAKE THE PROBLEMS OF THE HUMANS.
so far its quite vague if Kaname has a plan for her..

I admire Kaname somehow by thinking of that but however, not all pureblood vampires are evil/bad like yuuki's parents so it is unfair to kill all the purebloods.

where did you get the idea that juri and haruka are EVIL???

And we still don't know what is his original plan but it looks like you already know..

Back on the topic, No matter what Yuuki do to stop him he cannot' allow yuuki to interfere his plan bec. he want Yuuki is 100% safe from the pureblood who want to attack her or steal herlife and he want to accomplish what he left in the past.

Its not up to Kaname to decide for her. Its up to Yuki to stop him.

it's not just possibilities but it is also facts.

My analysis is base on facts from the book of Vampire Knights.

my analysis think you are reading something else...

and wow you can tell the future now and you can say what you wrote are facts? amazing.

well, the reality is that Kaname's plans were not entirely revealed and we are guessing. What you wrote are just possibilities, unless they happen they're not facts. If you are open to discussion as you say then you'll keep your theory open for dissection too. Goodluck.

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sweetsolace wrote:There's already a topic like this here
https://vampireknight.all-up.com/t429-kaname-s-kuran-plan-of-action-is-heading-where

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Well, As Kaname said to Yuuki that he will fulfill his original plan. Kaname's original plan sacrifice himself, but bec. he love Yuuki he will kill first all the pureblood base on VK Chapter 74 pages 31, 32 and sacrifice his life for yuuki to be human again like what Juri-sama did (her mom)

Kaname's original plan is unknown. His main purpose is to protect Yuki. His first option to do that is to sacrifice his life to turn her back to human when the human spell is exhausted.
http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/75/11

The spell, as we witnessed, was broken when Rido invaded the academy. And there was NO SACRIFICE. Instead, Kaname turned her back to pureblood himself. See chapter 35.

Kaien voices his relief that he didn't do it and he had a CHANGE OF PLANS:
http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/75/12

Kaname says, "My main purpose remains the same, only the path has changed."
in other words, he's saying his main purpose to protect Yuki still the same, only this time the way to achieving it is different.
http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/75/26

*the translation as uploaded in different sites is flawed in several areas , but my quotation should be more accurate. The links only serve as visual reference

If yuuki will stop Kaname to kill the purebloods (like yume fanclub wish). I think it's to late for that bec. Kaname already started the fight against the purebloods and other noble vampire.

why is it too late to stop him?
And who said its a fight when Kaname's the one on the offensive and the rest are cowering from him?

If yuuki will be a human again and the purebloods are gone (the roots of all evil) I think it going to be much better bec. purebloods who has the only power and capability to create an army in just an instant which means they can be more powerful.

Again, Yuki being human theory is a pretty desperate leap to make Zero and Yuki end together and it doesn't make much sense.
1. the vampires already know her existence. Turning her back will not serve the purpose to protect her identity as once pureblood.
2. There's a possibility Yuki will break the human spell again like she did before.
3. her life is more vulnerable as a human than as a pureblood.

FROM THE PERIOD TIME this is what the hooded woman and kaname don't to happen THEY ARE SLAVING HUMAN TO BE PART OF THERE ARMY... THE PROBLEMS OF THE HUMAN. So, I think it time to have a new era of leadership and stop the pureblood vampires the rule the human and the world.

this is what will happen if no one stops Sara. SHE WILL MAKE THE PROBLEMS OF THE HUMANS.
so far its quite vague if Kaname has a plan for her..

I admire Kaname somehow by thinking of that but however, not all pureblood vampires are evil/bad like yuuki's parents so it is unfair to kill all the purebloods.

where did you get the idea that juri and haruka are EVIL???

And we still don't know what is his original plan but it looks like you already know..

Back on the topic, No matter what Yuuki do to stop him he cannot' allow yuuki to interfere his plan bec. he want Yuuki is 100% safe from the pureblood who want to attack her or steal herlife and he want to accomplish what he left in the past.

Its not up to Kaname to decide for her. Its up to Yuki to stop him.

it's not just possibilities but it is also facts.

My analysis is base on facts from the book of Vampire Knights.

my analysis think you are reading something else...

and wow you can tell the future now and you can say what you wrote are facts? amazing.

well, the reality is that Kaname's plans were not entirely revealed and we are guessing. What you wrote are just possibilities, unless they happen they're not facts. If you are open to discussion as you say then you'll keep your theory open for dissection too. Goodluck.

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i said NOT all pureblood vampire are evil/bad like yuuki's parent. do you understand that i mean yuuki's parent are good vampires that why it's unfair to kill all the purebloods if kaname is intended to do it.

but i really appreciate your comment. thanks!!! okay i know you disagree atleast there is someone like you who commented.

VK Chapter 64: page1: Kaname: This is about the distant past. I was doing a certain kind of experiment... page 2: K aname: on Our Abnormal Ability to resurrect ourselves, and how to stop it.
Narrator: "Like the bottom of the sea--- another experiment by the name of Kaname."

Kaname: the core of the experiment was a part of my own body.
Hooded Woman: There is no need for that kind of experiment, what does it do for us?
Kaname: For MANKIND?
page3 Kaname: AFTER NUMEROUS EXPERIMENTS, I HAD FINALLY FOUND ONE POSSIBILITY PERHAPS THE ONLY THING CAN KILL US IS OURSELVES[/i] page 4 " a specific part of the flesh and blood of our body can alter the metallic soup"

But there is also a part there in their dialogues that you did not include and I do not remember if this dialogue was exactly the same at the scans and the uploaded translation but there is at the volumes and as I saw it, I came upon the idea that this can be the base for Kaname's OP...

> from volume thirteen, Viz release:

HW to Kaname (is the scene where Yuuki sees herself as Kaname there):

"The only way to stop more servants from being created is to destroy the source, Then we'll do something about the servants who have lost their masters. I don't relish destroying our kind after I searched them out...I am sorry asking you to do such an unpleasant job, forgive me Kaname.

A little earlier she had said; " I'm worried these are those who are creating "servants" indiscriminately. There's no need for so many of them....and the servants need blood to sustain themselves. I have a bad feeling about this. THEY SAY IT"S WHAT BOTH SIDES WANT...BUT.."

Two important facts here;
1. HW Plan included to exterminate or eliminate purebloods that changed people despite that seemed to appear what both sides wanted...
2. BUT she had no intention to exterminate ALL purebloods, as she said she had gone into great trouble finding them.

So I think that's the base of Kaname's plan without that meaning that is not also complicated in order to adapt to the new vampire society and can also bring new changes>
1. The hunters that now have lost real purpose and are not fighting alongside to exterminate the bad ones but have degraded their role, losing their initial scope of created> and if you think it deeper its a disgrace to this woman's sacrifice.
2. the vampire society that turned "purebloods" into sacred and untouchable creatures> a philosophy that did not steem out from the Kuran's perspective and that also tells there perhaps there were political or more mysterious reasons why it had to be applied.
3. The "queen bee" that needs to be proven wrong as in idea in order for the vampires to learn to protect themselves through their own choices.
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Look also at the cases of the purebloods that they were indeed exterminated >

Hanadagi> there are panels there that connect him with the past, when Yuuki drinks from Kaname and asks "Why ME?" or when Kaname talks about despair and losing it all> at the scene with the mirror.

Hio familly had surrendered Shizuka to the council as a baby> the council manipulated the blood and the power of the purebloods to achieve it purposes> this way Shizuka ended up to be engaged with Rido that also the council was preserving despite his crimes and she was given to eat HUMANS, ending in love with one of them> all this with the agreement or the complete indifference of her familly

So there seems to be rich background there that we do not know, but in first a glance, it fails to persuade me that its innoncent.

The topic “What is the real plan of Kaname Kuran???? The Key of your Question” has been merged.

Thank you.

@RABBIT

next time word your meaning properly to avoid misunderstandings. And its not that I don't agree, your idea in general sounds presumptuous, as shown by the points Ive raise and debated. If you're here just to listen to people agree or disagree with you then your theory doesn't look too mature

rabbit wrote:
I admire Kaname somehow by thinking of that but however, not all pureblood vampires are evil/bad like yuuki's parents so it is unfair to kill all the purebloods.

sweetsolace wrote:
where did you get the idea that juri and haruka are EVIL???

Rabbit, Solace has right. in your post you said that not all purebloods are evil/bad like yuuki's parents.
Like is a comparisson term and you used it wrong. It just a simple grammatical error, but according to your error you implied that yuuki's parents were evil.

If you would have said: not all purebloods are bad, some of them are good like yuuki's parents we wouldn't have a misunderstanding here.

quoting from thread https://vampireknight.all-up.com/t883p60-the-morality-and-ethics-of-the-hunters-chapter-75#21437


@Ocean, Few things that I wanted to address to your post before…well here they are…

The other thing is that Kaname supports this idea just to keep Yuuki save. I don't think that he really cares about the humans at all. Just look at what he thinks about Zero. Ok, he is a hunter and he is jealous of him being with Yuuki, but the point is, Zero is a Level D and Kuran certainly sees him like an inferior and treats him like it. He uses him and others as chess pieces etc.

M..you are referring to Kaname that wanted to sacrifice his live so that he could save humans and give them the strength to fight? A vampire that if the ancestor lady had not sacrificed first, now HE would actually be the ancestor of the hunters? That’s bitter and ironic.
Kaname still asks from others to evaporate areas where humans are close as he did with Ruka outside of Isaya’s home.
And if Yuuki is important to him now this is nothing to be criticized for, who would sacrifice his own happiness or family or spouse for the sake of his neighbours? But does the one point contradicts the other? Eventually there is no contradiction in caring for one beloved over the unknown others and you do not need to support the general good to keep your own people safe, so its not comparative indicating a behavior.

As for Zero and other treating him like chess pieces? Zero would be dead if there was no Kaname in the picture and Kaname made Zero the most powerful vampire hunter. That was a fair trade there…find me an enemy that treats you like an inferior and at the same time elevates you at the higher levels of the pyramids for the ex- reason…and gives you back the life that was taken from you, instead of “finishing” you after the deal is done. Now with this racist views lets continue at the following subjects…

So with his obvious racist views, how should the coexistence with human work? NOT AT ALL!

He knows no barriers, not even with his Pureblood "equals". He is the Kuran ancestor, the king, and he really behaves this way. He is relatively unstable to be a leader at all, because his subjects are easily disposable if it is for the sake of Yuuki. He doesn't even has an inner conflict because of it. That makes him extremely dangerous.

Kaname is dangerous but to the ones that were dangerous and even more dangerous than him to their intentions- please tell me an innoncent soul that he killed here> and also the reasons…who? Aidou’s dad? This is something that even looked like an agreement. And who would agree on his own death and what for? this indicates rather serious reasons either a kind of trick played there.

Its subject to finding out the reasons, but from the rest who were killed, who was the innoncent soul for which Kaname should have guilt ? Somehow you are hurrying to judge the killings that he has done now but you are missing the point that until the ending of the first arc, all reasons were justified and this is the main point that contradicts with Kaname's behavior right now, so do not hurry that much to judge him…

The Hunters do make use of Kuran killing the other pure bloods. They would be stupid if they didn't. They are very strong and dangerous to them and the normal humans.

I mean, think about it, those pure bloods were sleeping for ages. The society changed but if their views changed? I don't think so. And why should the Hunters give a flying F*** about those "creatures", they don't even know, except certain characteristic traits?

I do not understand here, you are justifying the hunters but not Kaname? And why, according to YOUR logic, as it stated above, should Kaname care? Or even have guilts? What makes purebloods dangerous to all, makes them to all…no exceptions, so the hunter’s view on the subject is okay, but Kaname’s is not? Why? If we adopt your point of view then Kaname as representative of the vampires, as older and ancestor has the major responsibility to clear these threats since their view points have not changed and this could make them dangerous, I do not support it with my logic but I explore it according to yours.

Doesn't Coexistence has something to do with understanding the other and in return to be understood? It doesn't really help to kill off People who are against this, because they don't have the same opinion. The choice is, follow or die. There is no real effort to change those racist views it's just commanded by Kuran. ( who doesn't really care either)
The school didn't help either.

Yes and nothing will help if the vampire society does not change her views on how it sees purebloods and the first lesson that they get is through Kaname that actually erases himself from being the Queen bee and hands this role to the more pink-glassed Yuuki…
I am not sure if you are following my logic here but seems to me that certain targets are used for certain messages to pass and Kaname uses his own self here as the example everybody should avoid. I assume that he could keep Yuuki to himself and secretly kill the ones that went against him in slow phases…and also being an hypocrite but a supporter of co-existence nevertheless…

M...it seems that things have become clearer now, wouldn't you just think so?

some things are just appearing more obvious concerning Kaname's plan and his intention to kill all purebloods is confirmed again and again so it seems that there is no way around it or simple denying common logic...

even though this "All" is relative again, Yuuki is a pureblood also would he kill her?

anyway this brings us back to Takuma's line in chapter 90

"Not only does Kaname plan to kill all the purebloods, he intends to become the original metal, which is the source of the weapons that can pose a threat to all vampires as well. This finally angered the remaning purebloods. "

And I remember Isaya posing a question to Kaname at the ball:

You, the ancestor who has been left alone in the world...most of the weapons that can kill purebloods have disappeared. If you want to eliminate all the purebloods all by yourself, their number is going to pose a problem for you.

And it just came to my mind this theory about Kaname volunteering to substitute the HW as the metal in order to provoke the rest of the evil purebloods.

Now that the weapons are few and inevitably Kaname has a great value for the future of the hunters, hunters are obliged to protect him so they have to go against purebloods, in contrast to the past where they did not care.

Somehow we always had the hutch that Kaname shall use or bring in a way the hunters against the purebloods, so this is the last part of his plan, I believe, and this "threat" against him will justify and the end of purebloods, if we assume that the purebloods seeking power will respond now in an alliance (but as we saw an alliance is indeed a fact).

Of course this shall not cancel Kaname's sacrifice, since the hunters need the weapons in order to be able to function and to kill vampires, the above theory it's just the way i think that Kaname led things so far; by using his sacrifice as a lure in order for the purebloods that pose a threat to come forward and present themselves, now the hunters finally have to go against them.

And also it provides an answer as to why Kaname now returns and stays there, saying that he has no intention to leave, obviously the only way to eliminate purebloods is to gather their attention and let it be known that he is at the mansion, so that they can gather and hunters to be able to kill them.

Juliet wrote:
Somehow we always had the hutch that Kaname shall use or bring in a way the hunters against the purebloods, so this is the last part of his plan, I believe, and this "threat" against him will justify and the end of purebloods, if we assume that the purebloods seeking power will respond now in an alliance (but as we saw an alliance is indeed a fact).

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And also it provides an answer as to why Kaname now returns and stays there, saying that he has no intention to leave, obviously the only way to eliminate purebloods is to gather their attention and let it be known that he is at the mansion, so that they can gather and hunters to be able to kill them.

Okay and IF so (and I underline the IF) then Hino has found a “brilliant” plan to:

a) demonstrate and prove for a millionth time that ALL the PBs are evil
b) give them a choice, even in the last minute, to save their own lives and go on living peacefully in the new era BUT cuz this isn’t in their nature (i.e. it is impossible) they will go straight to their annihilation OUT OF CHOICE
c) make the altruistic Kaname a self-sacrificial F**** hero bringing FINALLY after 10000 years the true coexistence between humans and vampires!

BRAVO! *applauses*

Of course I’m super sarcastic here because Miss Hino you cannot promote or establish ideals such as peace and coexistence via the COMPLETE annihilation of a RACE!
Blood; yes, has been shed many times in history for serving ideals such as freedom, democracy, human rights etc. But high ideals choked in the blood of an entire RACE?! NO!

I have said it a long time ago that this, for me at least, it is UNACCEPTABLE no matter what!
I do not care if ALL the remaining PBs are evils and deserve or must die in order to bloom the coexistence cuz there was no other solution! It is her CHOICE to present them ALL as evil!

I disagree fundamentally and ideologically with such messages thus I find her script fundamentally wrong no matter what justifications (persuasive or not) she may provides in the process!
What is the meaning to analyze individual aspects of the script or what’s the meaning of this and that; when the foundation of the entire script moves on wrong tracks from the beginning of the 2nd arc at least?

For me a true coexistence could only include ALL the races in the end, or else it’s pure BLs!
And in order to do that she SHOULD have shown or show (I doubt if she has the space to do it now though) that there are remaining and good PBs as well, after the end of this final battle between evil and good, capable to adjust in a new era like many of the nobles did for example!
One can say that PBs are beasts and not humans thus she has more liberties to treat them differently … yes but the same applies for the nobles! They are beasts as well; so why the different approach towards them?

Why the PBs must be the only and main root of the evilness? Why such simplistic approaches hence simplistic and nihilistic resolutions as aftermath?

Because bottom line she is the author and could promote perfectly different solutions bearing different messages! Hence and I won’t accept that this ain’t Hino’s scope! It is and she has identified her views with such solutions since (or IF) this is her final solution!

If it isn’t then she owes to give the alternative which above all will also PREVAIL!

Ergo under these circumstances, under this script I’m indifferent if she’ll give me a happy or tragic Yume or whatever end! I’m indifferent if she’ll cover her loopholes in the scenario or how many of them…
I’m indifferent if Kaname is the hero!

It leaves me totally indifferent!

I disagree fundamentally and ideologically with such messages thus I find her script fundamentally wrong no matter what justifications (persuasive or not) she may provides in the process!
What is the meaning to analyze individual aspects of the script or what’s the meaning of this and that; when the foundation of the entire script moves on wrong tracks from the beginning of the 2nd arc at least?

the second arc is very obscure in its way and messages ect.

I agree with you that the second arc (SEEMS) ( I am going to be reserved because we have not reached the end yet) to be entirely focused on the extermination of the purebloods, offering no other solution for the co-existence to be achieved.

And this is the main problem that i see; there is no plot to it after all (IF LEFT AS SUCH), no main script problem to justify the extermination of the purebloods, no other than the co-existence ideal itself.

And as you i am also wondering; what kind of ideal can survive on the ashes of a race? THIS IS TOTALLY A WRONG CONCEPT.

To say it in few words; it does not worth a plot, time and effort wasted, since the extermination of the mean purebloods could have been achieved over the centuries (as it was done before) in an individual basis.

Instead of the above solution that is the natural process of eliminating the source of problems (and in reality is the end of the first arc), Hino extends the script to fit in the idea that all purebloods are to be eliminated here and now; creating a co-existence that is rushed, purposely focused on the main idea that no purebloods should exist in order for the co-existence to arrive.

This idea is served at the second arc; so yes IF she sacrifices all purebloods here (she creates the script here) to serve the co-existence purpose the script has a major problem, the message is totally wrong as the concept of the idea as a whole.

And on that basis what co-existence? What Zeki and Yume? You can not create characters that shall bring peace on the fundamentals of pure death and targeted extermination.

I could add more but I shall stop here; there is no point going in further detail when no one should accept such a script to hang around, suggesting that this was all about;

exterminating a race to get co-existence because they were bad and they were few left. I see her effort to save it but her effort to present all race as a rotten one just makes things worst;

THIS IS CRAP WORK, LAZY IDEAS AND DANGEROUS. No we do not have to accept it, neither support it, as she uses fandoms tricks to convey twisted meanings under the pink cloud of yume or zeki.

IF it turns out like that (and i am afraid that it will), she can take co-existence here apply it to her culture. Because such co-existence should never exist.

Great success for all her characters; decorative elements!

BRAVO HINO GREAT SUCCESS! IF THIS IS CO-EXISTENCE, SHE CAN SELL VOLUMES TO THE ONE THAT BUY THESE NONSENSE!!

Maybe Hino only wants to transmit to us readers that Kaname is a lonely guy who needs a chick to get laid(joking)
Yuuki is really thinking of helping Kaname ,she had decided to take his route as his companion in life,but i've got confused since she made Zero remember everything...

Perhaps Zero is the one to help Kaname Realize Yuuki Needs him ALIVE!

I swear to god that if she kills Kaname i'm gonna hate hino for my entire LIFE!

Well at least she postponed the battle between the hunters and the purebloods for a chapter...

we are talking progression here; is this Hanadagi guardian stupid or what? she attacks the Kuran mansion and she expects Kaname aka the target not to interfere?

Hino is buying some panels and also some time....bringing Zero closer to Kaname (ha?) you heard me...LOL

about Kaname's plan the way that Hino portrays the whole thing is not sure if it's all under one plan (HW's awakening and predicting the attack of the purebloods while sealing also his fate >) or if the awakening was accidental and it put an end to Kaname's plan to continue killing purebloods, but as he is also quite lucky with events ( somehow his ultimate wish is always fulfilled, all but one - death avoids him- everything else does happen), the purebloods' organize an attack that potentially can fulfill his plan.

What of the two can be? the first sounds more solid (actually sounds more of a plan from his part), the second is bad estimation (couldn't he keep his butt away from the HA, LOL), and just turns him back to where he started with the exemption of few purebloods being killed (Sara, Hana, Hio bla, bla...)

Plus in the first case he is still the predator (even though the price is very high -his eternity as the metal), in the second case he is the victim of his own intentions...

What do you think?

(in case you have some time to kill LOL eitherwise Hino may never answer the above...plus the intention to finish all the purebloods either way (whatever happened here) may not be granted at the end (some purebloods may not appear or the battle shall stop for some reason), even though i think that now that his intention to change Yuuki fails that opens more the way for a good resolution of some sort. Eitherwise Yuuki's role shall be limited only in her attempt to save Kaname whereas there is a great opportunity here for Yuuki to shine, and prove the difference that she can make by being a pureblood in this society. Hope that Hino uses it.