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    Post by XxContradictionsxX on Mon May 14, 2012 9:53 pm

    With Kaname killing off nearly all of the purebloods, injuring/killing Ruka(someone Yuuki has grown to like), and possibly killing Zero, How will everything be resolved between Yuuki & Kaname? Does Kaname really want to be a resolution to this "break up"? What about Yuuki? Zero?
    What do you think?
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    Post by Shoujo-Zo18 on Tue May 15, 2012 2:44 am

    XxContradictionsxX wrote:With Kaname killing off nearly all of the purebloods, injuring/killing Ruka(someone Yuuki has grown to like), and possibly killing Zero, How will everything be resolved between Yuuki & Kaname? Does Kaname really want to be a resolution to this "break up"? What about Yuuki? Zero?
    What do you think?

    Well, things are obviously going to difficult to fix between Kaname and Yuuki.... :/ It will take some time, if it happens at all. As for Kaname "wanting" to resolve their break-up ( no need to quote, Kaname clearly ended it when he left her...) I don't think he wants to. Sure, somewhere deep in his heart he might still care for her, but he has resolved to follow his goal of killing all the purebloods since it was the wish of the Ancestress, his first love. He may even kill himself as well... until all this is completed I do not believe he wants to resolve things with Yuuki... he's been keeping her away for a reason, he doesn't want her to be in the way ( he has called her an obstacle, and a hindrance), or to get hurt. Zero obviously does not support them being together anymore... he made that very clear, and Yuuki.... she might still want him but it's hard to tell, for now she is only trying to stop him.
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    Post by Li.llium on Tue May 15, 2012 9:08 am

    In most of shoujos, this situation is the end of the road for the couple, because there is a grave disappointment. I personally think that Kaname did not do what he attributed to himself.

    But I will work with the idea of ​​the topic: kaname wanted to use Zero as a weapon. So he freed Shizuka for her had transformed zero into a vampire. Kaname did not care about Kiryuu´s deaths on this hypothesis. For a person with a normal sense of justice, Kaname was complicit in the murder of this family, because he took the risk on this case. He is complicit, at least. And he helped the realization of the worst crime that one vampire can do, according to a rule set by ancestors - himself.

    So if VK follows a standard model, yuki will stop loving Kaname. But this is not a rule. Yuki may be disappointed and continue to love him. In Magic Knight Rayearth, Princess Esmerald loves the villain, which is a killer. She is against his actions, she raises three warriors from another world to kill her lover, because he is very strong. However, although she knows he has to die, she still loves him.

    The same situation can happen in Yume: If (questionable assumption) Kaname did all these things, Yuki can continue to love him, though she will want to stop him, in life or through death.

    In this situation, Yuki is not the accomplice because she loves Kaname - the murder, the handler etc. She has the right to love who she wants. yuki love for Kaname does not mean she is complicit with his attitudes. She will be complicit if she won´t face Kaname. But here is because she is weak.

    Personally I have to admire a person to love it. So if I find that my boyfriend is a murderer or a person who is capable of being complicit with the murder of a family to get a gun, I probably will not love him. Not immediately. There is no button "love off immediately." But here I'm talking about me.
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    Post by kanachanimmortal on Tue May 15, 2012 5:33 pm

    Li.llium wrote:In most of shoujos, this situation is the end of the road for the couple, because there is a grave disappointment. I personally think that Kaname did not do what he attributed to himself.

    But I will work with the idea of ​​the topic: kaname wanted to use Zero as a weapon. So he freed Shizuka for her had transformed zero into a vampire. Kaname did not care about Kiryuu´s deaths on this hypothesis. For a person with a normal sense of justice, Kaname was complicit in the murder of this family, because he took the risk on this case. He is complicit, at least. And he helped the realization of the worst crime that one vampire can do, according to a rule set by ancestors - himself.

    So if VK follows a standard model, yuki will stop loving Kaname. But this is not a rule. Yuki may be disappointed and continue to love him. In Magic Knight Rayearth, Princess Esmerald loves the villain, which is a killer. She is against his actions, she raises three warriors from another world to kill her lover, because he is very strong. However, although she knows he has to die, she still loves him.

    The same situation can happen in Yume: If (questionable assumption) Kaname did all these things, Yuki can continue to love him, though she will want to stop him, in life or through death.

    In this situation, Yuki is not the accomplice because she loves Kaname - the murder, the handler etc. She has the right to love who she wants. yuki love for Kaname does not mean she is complicit with his attitudes. She will be complicit if she won´t face Kaname. But here is because she is weak.

    Personally I have to admire a person to love it. So if I find that my boyfriend is a murderer or a person who is capable of being complicit with the murder of a family to get a gun, I probably will not love him. Not immediately. There is no button "love off immediately." But here I'm talking about me.
    are you trying me to hate hino sensai??because if yuuki and kaname stop loving each other then it is end of vk.
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    Post by Li.llium on Tue May 15, 2012 7:07 pm

    My goal is to talk about the possibilities of the topic. hahaha
    I mentioned Magic Knight Rayearth to demonstrate that Yume is possible, Yuki can love him even though he has taken these actions.

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    Post by KuranPrince on Wed May 16, 2012 2:55 pm

    Li.llium wrote:My goal is to talk about the possibilities of the topic. hahaha
    I mentioned Magic Knight Rayearth to demonstrate that Yume is possible, Yuki can love him even though he has taken these actions.



    Yuuki's love for Kaname still continues and will stop at nothing in order to claim her prize. Magic Knight Rayearth is incomparable to what's happening in this series.
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    Post by Li.llium on Wed May 16, 2012 3:29 pm

    I think it was good comparison. Emerald Princess asked the Knights to kill the love of her life. This is very sad. As Yuki now, wanting to stop Kaname. Living or dying with him.

    But if you have other examples of shoujos in which the heroine is in love with a anti-hero/vilain, exemplifies. Or develop the subject of the topic, politely. It´s one participating more interesting =D
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    Post by kanachanimmortal on Wed May 16, 2012 3:45 pm

    Li.llium wrote:I think it was good comparison. Emerald Princess asked the Knights to kill the love of her life. This is very sad. As Yuki now, wanting to stop Kaname. Living or dying with him.

    But if you have other examples of shoujos in which the heroine is in love with a anti-hero/vilain, exemplifies. Or develop the subject of the topic, politely. It´s one participating more interesting =D

    ah hino draws for shoujo but its her story,right??She planned the story from the beginning and she already knows who she is gonna end up with.
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    Post by Li.llium on Wed May 16, 2012 4:22 pm

    lucykaede wrote:
    ah hino draws for shoujo but its her story,right??She planned the story from the beginning and she already knows who she is gonna end up with.


    I'm 99% sure about a final Yume, 1% less because I'm not Matsuri Hino, but it is interesting to discuss how it will happen and what the conflicts involved in this process, so Yuki and Kaname are now separated. Because they will solve the problems, and then they will stay together. For all practical purposes, one forum exists to stimulate discussions.


    At no time have I said that Hino was inspiring in MKR. I mentioned this story because VK is not the only shoujo in which the heroine is in love with a complex man, that is not framed in the classic model of perfection. Kaname is not a linear character. And that's his charm.
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    Post by Fine of Fate on Wed May 16, 2012 7:25 pm

    I agree. Hino created Yuuki and Zero with holes so that they could grow as the series progressed while Kaname was created as though there was 'no blanks left'. And as we've seen that Yuuki and Zero have matured Kaname has been showed to have quirks as well.
    It's kinda amusing that he is the opposite of the standard main character, but most of them arent 10 000+...
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    Post by XxContradictionsxX on Wed May 16, 2012 9:32 pm

    Somewhere around vols 8-10 Hino-san talks about her trip to i believe ireland? She says the first thing discussed with her editor was Vampire Knight's ending...so if we take in what happened in vol 8-10 and assume that is what she would hint to her fans-it's very possible Yuuki will go back to Kaname or vice versa. But this is all according to whether or not the ending has anything to do with the past vols 1-10....
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    Post by aya-chan on Wed May 16, 2012 9:54 pm

    Fine of Fate wrote:I agree. Hino created Yuuki and Zero with holes so that they could grow as the series progressed while Kaname was created as though there was 'no blanks left'. And as we've seen that Yuuki and Zero have matured Kaname has been showed to have quirks as well.
    It's kinda amusing that he is the opposite of the standard main character, but most of them arent 10 000+...

    Zero matured? affraid Maybe in age but as personality he didn't. Currently zero is the same boy from the beginning, filled with hatred.
    If in second arc he made the impression he progressed as character he certainty made sure by his alliace with sara to regress - once again zero proved that he's ruled by his own emotions, and not by logic.

    A character who really made progresses compared with the beginning is yuuki.

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    Why tension in yume, and not in zeki?

    Wasn't zero the one who attackd kaname first with the intention to kill?
    So why zero's butt being kicked by kaname represent a tension?



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    Post by XxContradictionsxX on Thu May 17, 2012 2:39 am

    i just decided i wanted to talk about YuMe, it's not like i was forgetting about Zero. he IS my favorite. Surprised
    Zero has matured, when the headmaster took him in he couldnt be in the same room as Kaname or Yuuki even as a human for that matter. He slowly opened up to Yuuki, at least now Zero can be in the room with Kaname. He's grown into his shoes, taking on the responsibility of protecting the New established Night Class, not to mention he loves Yuuki, a "beast in human form".
    Now am not saying he doesn't want to kill them all off, but i will say that Zero has sort of progressed in accepting that their are good vampires out their, which when he was younger he thought exactly the opposite.
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    Post by MorningStar on Thu May 17, 2012 3:06 am

    Few things Very Happy

    I do think Zero has matured.
    Alot.
    In the previous chapters/volumes he had a really hard time pulling himself up on his feet. He kinda struggled alot. He couldn't quite take care of himself plus he had alot that happened him that did kinda scar him- he was more closed in. Now, he's stil to himself but he has more noticeable relation like with Kain, Yagari, Kaito & Aido. Plus he has been doing better, we don't really see him curled in the bathroom. I think he accepted his nature more & he isn't fighting it. He still has some issues that has to do with his family & revenge but that is a rough patch to cover + Everything Contradiction said above me. I think currently Zero has progress wonderfully & the future holds even more progress when he realizes some vampires are good etc.. ^^ I find it hard to deny Zero hadn't grown. And i do agree, Yuuki + Zero has grown the most in this series.
    Kaname, i love you, But Kaname is already wise & an ancient so its hard to imagine him growing & maturing since he was already mature from the beginning. But this can be a bit of negative, since the reader can't see him grow, so sometimes its harder to relate.
    Maybe he might grow in the next chapter seeing Yuuki ^^ And seeing how hurt she is being w/o him Very Happy
    I love Kaname, but yeah he is the character that did the less maturing (Comprared to Zero & Yuuki that is) Which isn't really his fault per se.

    On the OP:
    I don't think Kaname wants this. In the next chapter And i'm sorta hoping for some confession/ truth out of the main trio. With Zero & Kaname standing infront of her, she's going to have to be honest. To either man. I'm sure Yuuki doesn't like what he's doing but i don't think she'll not love him for it. I'm kinda stuck tho with the Zero situation + Kaname's confession. If its true that Kaname did have a hand in Zero suffrage...It's hard to say what Yuuki might do. She's a model for justice, so she might still love him but it doesn't exclude him for fixing what he's done to the other special person to her {Zero}....
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    Re: Tension for YuMe?

    Post by aya-chan on Thu May 17, 2012 11:25 am

    MorningStar wrote: If its true that Kaname did have a hand in Zero suffrage...It's hard to say what Yuuki might do. She's a model for justice, so she might still love him but it doesn't exclude him for fixing what he's done to the other special person to her {Zero}....

    Didn't yuuki heard from kaname's mouth that he was involved in zero's trauma? (by the way, kaname's motive is still a lie)
    And what yuuki did when she saw him? She remind him about their promise in front of the door from the basement. Yuuki asked kaname to kill her with his hands if he wants to leave her, or she will kill him with her hands if he wants to leave her.

    Basically yuuki said she preffers death instead of living without kaname.

    And didn't in the last chapter yuuki asked ruka to GIVE HER MAN BACK?

    So we find out what yuuki decided to do after she heard those words from kaname involving zero.
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    Post by nina on Thu May 17, 2012 1:01 pm

    aya-chan wrote:
    Fine of Fate wrote:I agree. Hino created Yuuki and Zero with holes so that they could grow as the series progressed while Kaname was created as though there was 'no blanks left'. And as we've seen that Yuuki and Zero have matured Kaname has been showed to have quirks as well.
    It's kinda amusing that he is the opposite of the standard main character, but most of them arent 10 000+...

    Zero matured? affraid Maybe in age but as personality he didn't. Currently zero is the same boy from the beginning, filled with hatred.
    If in second arc he made the impression he progressed as character he certainty made sure by his alliace with sara to regress - once again zero proved that he's ruled by his own emotions, and not by logic.


    A character who really made progresses compared with the beginning is yuuki.

    *************************************
    Why tension in yume, and not in zeki?

    Wasn't zero the one who attackd kaname first with the intention to kill?
    So why zero's butt being kicked by kaname represent a tension?


    Totally agree aya cheers

    Zero's "maturation" is a big disappointment ... he continues to be a "brat" unable to act based on logic while Yuuki's character has indeed matured ... she left him miles behind! bounce

    aya-chan wrote:
    MorningStar wrote: If its true that Kaname did have a hand in Zero suffrage...It's hard to say what Yuuki might do. She's a model for justice, so she might still love him but it doesn't exclude him for fixing what he's done to the other special person to her {Zero}....

    Didn't yuuki heard from kaname's mouth that he was involved in zero's trauma? (by the way, kaname's motive is still a lie)
    And what yuuki did when she saw him? She remind him about their promise in front of the door from the basement. Yuuki asked kaname to kill her with his hands if he wants to leave her, or she will kill him with her hands if he wants to leave her.

    Basically yuuki said she preffers death instead of living without kaname.

    And didn't in the last chapter yuuki asked ruka to GIVE HER MAN BACK?

    So we find out what yuuki decided to do after she heard those words from kaname involving zero.

    Well said again! sLo_BigBearHug Co-sign cheers cheers cheers
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    Post by MorningStar on Thu May 17, 2012 2:24 pm

    aya-chan wrote:
    MorningStar wrote: If its true that Kaname did have a hand in Zero suffrage...It's hard to say what Yuuki might do. She's a model for justice, so she might still love him but it doesn't exclude him for fixing what he's done to the other special person to her {Zero}....

    Didn't yuuki heard from kaname's mouth that he was involved in zero's trauma? (by the way, kaname's motive is still a lie)
    And what yuuki did when she saw him? She remind him about their promise in front of the door from the basement. Yuuki asked kaname to kill her with his hands if he wants to leave her, or she will kill him with her hands if he wants to leave her.

    Basically yuuki said she preffers death instead of living without kaname.

    And didn't in the last chapter yuuki asked ruka to GIVE HER MAN BACK?

    So we find out what yuuki decided to do after she heard those words from kaname involving zero.
    (Hopefully it is a lie Sad but at this point i don't know...But i did say "if")I still think Yuuki will still care for him, but he still has to clean up some things he messed up. Which is what i pointed before ^^. And if was really a lie, i wish he wouldn't had said it with Zero being there then turns out it was a lie, basically messing with Zero's head on a senstive topic he still struggling to bear (that his whole blood lineage/family is gone. That his other half is gone Crying or Very sad )
    So that'll make me a bit disappointment in Kaname for doing something that mean.
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    I'm really surprised some people think Zero hadn't mature? With the whole Sara thing he's just doing what he did in the first arc in terms of getting rid of his enemies.
    RIDO{KILLED}= Killed his Twin Brother= Yuuki(Another pureblood) + Kaname(Giving Zero power)+ Zero
    SHIZUKA{KILLED}=Killed his entire family= Kaname + Zero Teaming up (Well kinda, Zero shot her, Kaname finished her off.)
    SARA{ALIVE}=*Nothing to do with Zero*= Zero + Sara {Gives him power}
    KANAME=(ALIVE)= Claims to have release the woman who killed his family= SARA(Gives him power) + Zero

    Its sorta the same but the tables are flipped around.
    But other than that, Zero has grown, i haven't heard/seen anything about Zero killing himself, he's drinking tablets (accepting his vampire nature) + He's more grown up & been taking care of himself where before he needed Yuuki because he hardly took care of himself (he was a wreck). His only problem is revenge for his family, which is fine by me because it is revenge so i understand. But we seen accepting Yuuki more too. Up for the beginning to now, he has a made a huge leap in improvement. Zero+ Yuuki are the ones who did the most progressing.

    I also don't see how is being a brat either. Zero is using Sara for power, like w/ Kaname before, but they aren't on he same team. Sara (in the story right now) is an ally for the two has the same enemy. I don't see how that's not being logoical.
    You team up w/ the person who share the same target. Kaname is the target/threat (To Zero & Sara) Sara isn't a threat to Zero right now(Right now ).When she becomes threat, i think thats when Zero will kill her ^^


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    Post by Li.llium on Thu May 17, 2012 3:25 pm

    My personal perception about the evolution of Zer / Yuki x Kanamev is a bit frustrating.

    Kaname, as Hino said, is already set from the beginning. Personality. The objectives. Therefore, he is a character that is already closed.

    Yuki / Zero are the characters that Hino is developing throughout history, this is her goal.

    But I find it extremely frustrating to the evolution of both of them. Because I see the same issues to continue to be repeated every one so far, and the answers that each one gives in relation to their own conflicts is a bit small, specially from Zero { don´t be sad with me, Zero-chin}

    I think Hino is not balanced the evolution here. Perhaps because Kaname is a very strong character, I think the other very weak in relation to him. I'm not waiting for Yuki / Zero will be as strong as Kaname is, but the contrast between these characters is still very large, an abyss.
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    Post by kanachanimmortal on Thu May 17, 2012 4:04 pm

    Li.llium wrote:My personal perception about the evolution of Zer / Yuki x Kanamev is a bit frustrating.

    Kaname, as Hino said, is already set from the beginning. Personality. The objectives. Therefore, he is a character that is already closed.

    Yuki / Zero are the characters that Hino is developing throughout history, this is her goal.

    But I find it extremely frustrating to the evolution of both of them. Because I see the same issues to continue to be repeated every one so far, and the answers that each one gives in relation to their own conflicts is a bit small, specially from Zero { don´t be sad with me, Zero-chin}

    I think Hino is not balanced the evolution here. Perhaps because Kaname is a very strong character, I think the other very weak in relation to him. I'm not waiting for Yuki / Zero will be as strong as Kaname is, but the contrast between these characters is still very large, an abyss.

    yes,i just can't wait yuuki to be kaname's equal.
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    Post by kialovejapan on Thu May 17, 2012 4:36 pm

    lucykaede wrote:
    Li.llium wrote:My personal perception about the evolution of Zer / Yuki x Kanamev is a bit frustrating.

    Kaname, as Hino said, is already set from the beginning. Personality. The objectives. Therefore, he is a character that is already closed.

    Yuki / Zero are the characters that Hino is developing throughout history, this is her goal.

    But I find it extremely frustrating to the evolution of both of them. Because I see the same issues to continue to be repeated every one so far, and the answers that each one gives in relation to their own conflicts is a bit small, specially from Zero { don´t be sad with me, Zero-chin}

    I think Hino is not balanced the evolution here. Perhaps because Kaname is a very strong character, I think the other very weak in relation to him. I'm not waiting for Yuki / Zero will be as strong as Kaname is, but the contrast between these characters is still very large, an abyss.

    yes,i just can't wait yuuki to be kaname's equal.

    Kaname is always a little step above among Yuuki...So do I I hope to see Yuuki to be kaname's equal!! ha-ha-ha
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    Re: Tension for YuMe?

    Post by Dragonsrose15 on Fri Aug 03, 2012 3:14 am

    Yume definitely has a lot of tension that has been building up for a while. Zeki also has a lot of unresolved tension they need to work through. However, there's so much that we don't know about Kaname that it makes it hard to see how the Yume conflict will be resolved. It has to start with Kaname talking to Yuuki about the entire truth.
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    Re: Tension for YuMe?

    Post by kanamekuranlover on Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:53 am

    Dragonsrose15 wrote:Yume definitely has a lot of tension that has been building up for a while. Zeki also has a lot of unresolved tension they need to work through. However, there's so much that we don't know about Kaname that it makes it hard to see how the Yume conflict will be resolved. It has to start with Kaname talking to Yuuki about the entire truth.

    well i don't see kaname saying oh my yuuki i want to protect you so i want to die.do you really think that yuuki will allow something like that??
    she would say that,no kaname please don't go,even if you kill me just stay alive.
    kaname wants to kill himself in order to save yuuki,that scene in the coffin he said yuuki has done more than enough for him now its his turn.he wants to create a safe place for her.even if kaname dies he will be the hero not zero and he will be second choice of yuuki if she goes with him.
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    Re: Tension for YuMe?

    Post by Dragonsrose15 on Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:12 pm

    No, but to clear out any barriers between Yume, they need to talk it out. Kaname can't keep hiding his intentions from Yuuki, especially if they're going to be a couple full of equality. It's been hinted that Kaname will want to die in the end, but we're still not certain if that's what's going to happen yet. Either way, it's not cool for Kaname to keep killing purebloods and doing secretive things without letting Yuuki know what he intends. Yuuki as it is doesn't agree with what he is doing and wants to stop him. Keeping the lying and secrets isn't good for Yume development. Yuuki isn't a pet to Kaname, so he should treat her with the respect she deserves from him. Yuuki deserves to know exactly what he plans to start to mend things with Kaname.

    As of now, she doesn't trust Kaname, which can be a real challenge for them later for becoming endgame. Maybe Kaname does plan on dying and leave Yuuki in a better world, but it's still not fair for her to not know what's going on. If he truly loves her, he should come clean and work with her to help with the coexistence they both want to achieve.
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    Re: Tension for YuMe?

    Post by kanamekuranlover on Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:13 am

    Dragonsrose15 wrote:No, but to clear out any barriers between Yume, they need to talk it out. Kaname can't keep hiding his intentions from Yuuki, especially if they're going to be a couple full of equality. It's been hinted that Kaname will want to die in the end, but we're still not certain if that's what's going to happen yet. Either way, it's not cool for Kaname to keep killing purebloods and doing secretive things without letting Yuuki know what he intends. Yuuki as it is doesn't agree with what he is doing and wants to stop him. Keeping the lying and secrets isn't good for Yume development. Yuuki isn't a pet to Kaname, so he should treat her with the respect she deserves from him. Yuuki deserves to know exactly what he plans to start to mend things with Kaname.

    As of now, she doesn't trust Kaname, which can be a real challenge for them later for becoming endgame. Maybe Kaname does plan on dying and leave Yuuki in a better world, but it's still not fair for her to not know what's going on. If he truly loves her, he should come clean and work with her to help with the coexistence they both want to achieve.

    oh god thats why she is the hindrance,she won't let him kill himself.then how can he tell her?plus if he wanted to patch up with her he would have done way before. almost.. he wants to die and thats why he is gaining hate of yuuki. almost..

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